Isaiah Predicts Our Time With Precision
Vložit
- čas přidán 15. 03. 2024
- Cwic Media Website: www.cwicmedia.com
Cardio Miracle, Learn More! - cwic.qwkcheckout.com
Be sure to register for this significant virtual conference on March 30, 2024, here - www.bookofmormonisaiah.com/co...
Isaiah prophesies using the conflicts and decay of civilizations in his time. This is what enamors the writings of Isaiah to Nephi. Nephi saw in vision his own people going through the same decay. Are we to do the same. Will we arrive at "A Day of Reckoning?"
The destruction of the family, sexual liberation, feminism, and malevolent compassion are found in Isaiah's writings. Be sure to join the Isaiah Institute in their virtual conference, "A Day Of Reckoning," on the Book of Isaiah.
I will be watching!
********************
➡️ Cwic Show relates real-world, current events through commentary and conversations. We address topics such as politics, pop culture, and religion in a faith-based manner.
Cwic Media - like "Quick Media" Cwic is an Old English word that means "Intelligent" and "Alive."
********************
Disclaimer
The products and content offered by Cwic Media are neither made, provided, approved nor endorsed by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All content and products are solely those of Cwic Media and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
********************
#CwicShow #lds
Be sure to register for this virtual conference here- www.bookofmormonisaiah.com/conference
I’ll be watching!
I have found so much wisdom and power in this quote from President Nelson in the 2019 Women's session. It has resonated in my ears ever since hearing it. - “My dear sisters, your ability to discern truth from error, to be society’s guardians of morality, is crucial in these latter days. And we depend upon you to teach others to do likewise. Let me be very clear about this: If this world loses the moral rectitude of its women, the world will never recover.”
We are seeing what Isaiah spoke about with the daughters of Zion happening in real time. President Nelson warned of it right before things really started to kick off in earnest in 2020.
Sadly that will flow right into a fulfillment of Isaiah 4: 1.
We can't afford to have our heads in the sand thanking God that we will never live polygamy. God married Mary, Jesus was NOT a bastard. If we want to live as God does, we must start preparing our hearts to tackle this issue. Lest we be blindsided by a sudden change of church policy.
It's hard to put much stock into the words of a man who couldn't recognize covid for what it was, and who urged millions of people to subject themselves as guinea pigs for a medical experiment.
You are a crazy nut . God did not marry Mary .
@@noskalborg723Just go live polygamy if you want polygamy so much.
Oh my goodness! President Nelson just gave the exact same warning last night at the Women's Devotional! I think we, the women of the church, need to start listening. However, I saw nothing but vitriol from bitter, power hungry women about the devotional posted all over youtube and instagram. So very sad.
Greg,
Awesome video promoting the importance for the saints to start understanding Isaiah better. Thanks you for using your voice and your example to help in this effort.
There’s a nice ABCDCBA chiasm in 2 Nephi 11, including a mini chiasm in B. The central theme to this Chiasm (D) is the “great and marvelous work” of gathering and restoring Israel, which Nephi identifies as the covenants that the Lord has made to “our fathers”. He links this idea of the Restoration to the words of Isaiah (A), and of proving the coming of Christ (C) when he says he “delights” in each of these things. To Nephi, these things go together.
After saying that he delights in proving the coming of Christ (C), Nephi proves His existence in (B), and the mini chiasm (Ba) by telling us that he (Nephi) has seen Christ. Not only Nephi, but Jacob, and Isaiah as well. And as he mentions in verse 3, “by the words of three, God hath said, I will establish my word.”
A= Nephi writes the words of Isaiah and likens them to his
people.
Ba= Nephi sends the words to his children.
Bb= Isaiah, Jacob, and Nephi have seen the Redeemer.
Ba= Nephi sends the words to his children as proof.
C= Nephi delights in proving the coming of Christ.
D= Nephi delights in the covenants of the Lord to his our
Fathers. (the Restoration of Israel)
C= Nephi delights in proving the coming of Christ, else we all
perish.
B= Christ does exist.
A= Nephi writes the words of Isaiah so that we may liken them to
us and rejoice.
Awesome Jason! I believe Nephi kickoff the block of Isaiah, showing us a parallel structure and telling us his understanding of the manner of Jews.
A few years ago when we were studying the Old Testament for "Come Follow Me", I watched Brother Halverson's videos, particularly his explanation of how to view and read Isaiah with regards to Hebrew poetry.
His lessons have been so helpful for my understanding of viewing the Scriptures and the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
I've also learned that my Scripture Study can become more enlightening and interesting when I try to see possible parallels between what I'm currently reading or studying and the things I've noticed happening in my own life or the situations around me.
I've noticed this years ago when reading the War Chapters in The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. Chapters 60, & especially 61 have been very eye opening with regards to what I was noticing happening politically within the United States. (I think it was even before 2020!)
Also, I feel like Jeremiah and Hosea, while they were assigned to use object lessons (Jeremiah with objects, Hosea with his family), they too were striving to warn the people.
Thank you for sharing this important message and the link to the Isaiah lesson! ❤
Well, you’re on the right track. Hopefully, we can really have a discussion of how these chapters apply directly to us. Nephi saw our day and everything to the end. Yet he was forbidden to write what John was ordained to write. So he gave us Isaiah and we’d better listen for this does not present a Teddy Bear Jesus.
It tells us that we are in terrible way in the church. Everyone talks about the Book of Mormon and how it and Isaiah are talking to us and yet it goes right over their heads that something is terribly wrong in the church. My heart is heavy and sad knowing that this church is in big trouble. "Upon mine own house first" concerning the cleansing.
President Oaks did not mince words talking about the doctrine of the proclamation on the family.
I'm so grateful for you Greg! You can talk about the edgy things going on in the world and the church without being critical of our church leaders! I love your site!
Joseph Smith must have been a Genius! I did not know that he thought this deeply as an uneducated farm boy.
The Holy Spirit is The One
Thank you for teaching the BoM as it should be taught. Never hear this in church but all you are saying is what i see in the BoM, its what my understanding is but never hear it taught like this at church. This is so . again thank you.
100% with this video. These scriptures you read are not for only the world, with all of us sitting high up on the sidelines unaffected; these were written for us, these are about the tendency and temptation entering our church, on every level.
Isaiah is a test that we are specifically given. It has been such a blessing in my life to find the Isaiah Institute. Thanks for telling us about this event. Looking forward to seeing it.
Thank you Greg! The Isaiah Institute conference includes amazing bonuses and a Q&A with Avraham you can't miss. I'll be there too, presenting about secret combinations, which will peak when the blood of saints is shed, and the Lord will be empowered to execute vengeance Ehter 8:22-25. The Lord's "vengeance" is the King of Assyria (Isaiah 10:5), "the rod of his anger," and the end-time figure that we know as the antichrist or, better, the beast in Revelation 13. There is so much we will be showing as a framework and sequence of what is coming from Isaiah's prophecy and the scriptures. Despite all the "bad news" that some of these topics present, Isaiah still means that "God is salvation," and the righteous should not fear.
You mean the guy that git himself excommunicated in 1993 for teaching false doctrine in his book ? That guy ? Ok that still continues to teach it ?? Woe can not wait to hear him .
It has been truly astounding how much Isaiah has become so understandable to me over the years. It seems to be almost by osmosis! Just by reading it every time I come to it in the Book of Mormon and by paying attention to what our culture is doing, it has become crystal clear what he is warning us about. And the confirmations are all around us! Great video Greg! 🙏
Oh my goodness! President Nelson just gave the exact same warning last night at the Women's Devotional! I think we, the women of the church, need to start listening. However, I saw nothing but vitriol from bitter, power hungry women about the devotional posted all over youtube and instagram. So very sad.
Hey Greg, I wish you would bring Michael Rush to discuss Isaiah. Because Gileadi is not the only person capable of “decoding” Isaiah.
I personally wouldn't give much weight to Michael Rush's take on Isaiah. I definitely think Gileadi and the Isaiah institute are the best source (with the Spirit's guidance, of course).
@@OmahaAreaLoyaReally? Not much weight? He's very close to what Gileadi puts out.
Brother Gileadi has studied Isaiah for over 40 years!! It’s his life work. He is the absolute authority. There are no short cuts to learning his message
Seriously ? Really ? He got excomunnicated in 1993 for teaching false doctrine . An expert ?? I think not. He is heading down that sane path again as he says our authorities are all wrong and the subtitles in the Bible . Yip most authoritive guy around . Sit down .
Oh please the guy was excommunicated in 1993 for three years . Seems he is right back at it again teaching false things .
Malevolent compassion. Sums it up nicely.
SO SO GOOD!! SPOT ON!!! Thankyou
Thanks for the video
Great show Greg !
If you like Isaiah like I do, read Jeremiah 23 and apply it to today’s culture and church. It’s eye opening!
Both Isaiah and Jeremiah were very critical of modern leaders of God's covenant people.
@@OmahaAreaLoya I think you’re misreading them. They are critical of Babylon, false leaders, not of those who are leading and following his covenants.
I’m curious do you think the leaders of our church are fallen? Is that what you’re implying? If so, do you think Christ would really allow that to happen?
@@thawts9087I don't think I'm misreading them. I think the LDS church is in apostasy, yes. Do I think the Lord would let that happen? Yes, why wouldn't He? I think the Lord prophesied it would happen. And I think Isaiah and others prophesied it would happen. It's happened many times before. I don't see any scriptural reason why it would be different this time.
@OmahaAreaLoya - I'm curious of examples how you feel the Church is in apostasy. I think a relative few members are in apostasy, but the top leaders of the Church, like the Prophet, the First Presidency, The 12, and most top local and stake leaders are strong and lead with Christ's doctrine. If you do believe the overall Church is in apostasy, when do you think the Restoration will take place, as prophesied in the scriptures? This is a sincere question. I'm not criticizing you. I'm just trying to understand.
@@OmahaAreaLoya Interesting, thanks for responding. I'm curious why you think the church is in apostasy? Also, where do you find truth in today's world? When did the Lord prophesy that there would be a second apostasy of his Church?
That was well done! I like how you distilled 'it' down into such an understandable format. Thanks
Greg, once again the comment section reveals that for a vocal subset of your audience, including apparently Gileadi himself, the “precision” of Isaiah’s prophecies includes the expectation that the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve are heading into apostasy. It doesn’t seem like you share this view, so I think you ought to pin him to the wall on this point once and for all. I get that you don’t want to gratuitously reduce your audience by giving offense, and perhaps you have some kind of commercial relationship with this conference. But this is unsavory and apostate stuff, and you have choices to make about what your platform caters to.
Here here
Great show, wonderful content.
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank for the video
You're welcome
Wonderful commentary!
Glad you think so!
Wow! Very good! Bible dictionary defines mean as Obscure, humble, ordinary, not especially noteworthy.
Thanks!
Welcome. And thank you!
Last night at the Worldwide Women’s Devotional our Prophet President Nelson said… “if the world should ever lose the moral rectitude of its women, the world would never recover” when I look at 2 Nephi 13:16 it seems to me to be a close replica of society today and the daughters of Zion are losing their moral rectitude.
In fact I see the whole chapter as a mirror image of todays world with nose rings, many changes of fine clothing and so much more.
We are certainly living in the last of the latter days.
Thanks for this excellent discussion Greg.
Isaiah is amazing. His prophecies are something my mother can speak to-former Hollywood actress Dana Kimmell (fought Jason in Friday the 13th part 3)…she joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and everything changed for her. Isaiah talks about “kings of the earth” seeing the brightness of the son of God rising upon His people…celebrities are kings of our day many of whom will be drawn by the light of Christ they see in the good examples of God’s people! I would love to talk about Dana’s story on your channel! 😊
I’m currently reading Isaiah Decoded. Thanks for having Avraham on your show.
Thank you @cwic and Greg for taking Isaiah so seriously and doing such a great job to spread it's importance.
The link between the destruction mentioned in 2 Nephi 26 and the destruction in 3rd Nephi 8 seems quite clear. Both seem to me to be very clear parallels to our day.
I love the words of Isaiah, and yes, Patterns..."what has been, shall be". I'm looking forward to more insights at the Conference. Thank you. :)
All great mythologies have excellent moral plays on human nature.
Isaiah is probably the best at this in the OT and Joseph Smith's interjection of Isaiah into his Book of Mormon.
Good presentation.
Come back, Rodney. Come back! ❤
@@dcarts5616 That's like asking me to re-believe in Santa...
@@rodneyjamesmcguire I figured I’d try. I like how you still ridicule us for believing, you do always do you that’s for sure haha.
@@dcarts5616 I don't ridicule anyone for believing.
Believe as you wish.
@@rodneyjamesmcguire You did. It’s ok, Rodney. Your Santa comment speaks for itself. Might as well just have said what you most likely meant, and said spaghetti monster. No worries, I am not mad. Just calling you out… again.
Anybody have a link to a site with actual maps of the various relevant areas in play during biblical times? I think looking at these maps would really help me in my reading of the Bible and BoM.
Babylon for instance seems like a vague fictional place in my head. Would be nice to actually see it on a map.
Greg, do you understand the on-beat and off-beat issues of music?
If so, I'd like to see a video talking about that, and how modern music uses the off-beat to cause distress and wickedness. I'm finally beginning to understand music a little bit, but I still don't really understand the concept of beat, let alone on- or off-beat. It's very hard (if not impossible) to find a thorough and understandable explanation, so if you could provide one that would be great.
What is Dr. Gilead's opinion of those who don't agree with his interpretations?
His interpretations are the most logical and reasonable explanations of Isaiah you can find anywhere other than the spirit itself. What do you not agree on?
Greg, I know that you are a very educated person when it comes to the Book of Mormon and Isaiah. Can you anyone please explain these verses to me with an emphesis on verses 15 and 16? My soul is troubled with things that I know and these verses seem to back them up. Isaiah 9:13-19 Context
13For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts. 14Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day. 15The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. 16For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed. 17Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. 18For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke. 19Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.
Have you checked out Michael B Rush TheLost10Tribes and his expanations of Isaiah - would make a great guest on your show!
That would be amazing!!
I know this is super off topic...but how far do you have BYU going in the NCAA MBB tournament?
Of course I hope for more, but I would say they win their first game and then out. They live and die by the three and unless they keep hot they will have a difficult time.
Isaiah s vision is in Isaiah one… is clear! Avraham Giliadi explains it so well bc of his expertise in Hebrew!
I would absolutely love to buy a virtual ticket to the conference, but on a fixed income, I just can't afford to. I hope to get snippets along the way.
I don't want to post my contact info on here, but if there's some way for us to get in contact, I'd be willing to pay for your ticket to watch the conference.
@@OmahaAreaLoya do you have messenger or messaging?
I do. But how do I get that info to you without posting my contact info here? Do you know how that might work?
@@OmahaAreaLoya and thank you!
@@BettyHorn I've tried 3 times to respond, but CZcams has deleted it every time. I have arranged for you to get access to the conference. I just need to figure out how to get instructions to you without CZcams deleting it.
Many know I'm not a fan of Gileadi or the Isaiah Institute. I don't think many things they teach are contrary to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but some things are. Some teachings also don't align with my personal revelations on Isaiah. I understand that not everyone has gone through the same process as I have and won't have the same knowledge. However, just because one is highly learned doesn't make them correct, and we need to find out for ourselves what is true.
Our scriptures are meant to be studied with the Holy Ghost, and by the power of the Holy Ghost, we can understand Isaiah.
It is interesting how many are not ok with woke ideology creeping into the church but are ok with the secular ideas of Isaiah that our church doesn't teach.
Isaiah was not secular!
Hello Greg,
I’m struggling with things, and I get picked up and down again.
Lately I’ve seen someone being up a point about why the church doesn’t find archeological groups to study and excavate areas to try and find any evidence of the BoM and where it took place.
He suggested it’s because they know they won’t find any so will not find any.
What is your or anyone’s thoughts on this?
I believe it’s the opposite. If our church funded groups to find stuff, and did, people would fight against the findings because the church paid for it.
There is so much evidence for the heartland theory, which is where Joseph Smith said it took place. Maybe they want us to find it for ourselves? Listen to rod meldrum, book of Mormon evidences. Ward radio did some good interviews on this topic.
Tons of archeology verifies the book of Mormon but it doesn't change anybody's faith. Read "Voices from the dust" by Calderwood
I would suspect it has, in part, to do with the fact that the Book of Mormon didn’t take place where the church has traditionally presumed it took place. It took place in what is now the United States, more particularly in the Midwest.
@@OmahaAreaLoya That’s one of the theories. (It’s also the one I side with right now)
Interestingly, women have been compared to Christ in terms of love for their children. When the most generally Christlike people in society (women) fall, that's when you know the society is basically gone.
"Malevolent compassion" - good choice of words Greg.
Many different dispensations have been under the rule and pattern of several different prophets, in their rules, commandments, way of life, social norms, blessings and condemnations. Very specificly we are told we are under the covenants of Abraham; not Adam, Isaiah, Moses, king this or king that, but unmistakably Abraham. God says, -heres the example, heres the mold, heres the combination of characteristics, and herein rests what you are expected to do to be blessed; copy Abraham. Thats what being under the abrahamic Covenant means. We don't get to choose only to receive the blessings, we also have to do the works of Abraham. It is not a la carte, it is not a teddy bear style Abraham; it is a, do this or else. Follow Abraham and be blessed regardless of the pressures of the world and the persecution. But this is not understood. We have a very important puzzle piece missing out of our understanding of what it means to be adopted into the lineage of Abraham. Too many people like to be soft on these Commandments or dismiss them. Too many people lack a true understanding and testimony of all of these things, and not just the ones they pick and choose. The gospel under Abraham is in no way a easy and lovingly inviting fluffy pink clouds and bunnies. It is not always feel good and comfortable and peace of mind and la di da. It is getting in line. It's not afraid of offending anybody at all including countries Kings principalities and Powers. It's message very much so causes mobs to combine. And not just here or there from time to time but an endless one that's only growing, which we have somehow sidestepped. We have derated the gospel of Abraham to such a degree where it is no longer offensive, just confusing. Christ himself was not always just opening his arms looking to hug people while he was here on earth, he was flipping over tables and yelling. He says that those who hate you, hated me first, and that's where he leaves it. I am so tired of trading in the truths and Covenants of God for public peace and the appearance of love, to be more inviting and to be more sharing and to be more christ-like, except to be christ-like means to keep covenants and you don't sabotage your word just because of social pressures. To be christ-like means to not give in, it means, to get behind me Satan I'm not interested in holding your hand in kindness, you want kindness then keep the Commandments and keep the covenants and stop changing my laws. He says I don't care if it's uncomfortable, do you really think I was comfortable being nailed to a cross? Knock it off with the excuses and get on with it
@CwicShow
God has already given us the answer. The love of money is the root of all evil.
Not sex, in any of its forms. In fact, I think sex surely comes after power and pride, but they may as well all tie for last when compared to the attachments we all form to money, and the implications of those attachments…the downstream effects.
Think about the reasons why that would be.
Read Hugh Nibley’s Approaching Zion. He makes a very good number of points.
Or, just believe God, and work out why He is right.
...and babes shall rule over us? Babes like Greta Thunberg?
You need to make a video about the red heffer getting sacrificed by the kohenim (levites). They have just built the altar!
This would be the fulfillment of D&C 13. So no more aaronic priesthood! And no more baptisms! No more sacramant!
The offering by the sons of Levi as mentioned in D&C 13 will not be fulfilled because of the red heifer sacrifice. The red heifer sacrifice doesn't follow the Lord's prescribed order. To offer an offering "in righteousness," the sons of Levi must offer a broken heart and contrite spirit and acknowledge Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Redeemer. The Jews as a people aren't there. Christ also said that blood sacrifice was no longer acceptable to Him because he offered himself as the sacrificial lamb and overcame death and hell:
3 Nephi 9:13-20 "17 And as many as have received me, to them have I given to become the sons of God; and even so will I to as many as shall believe on my name, for behold, by me redemption cometh, and in me is the law of Moses fulfilled....And ye shall offer up unto me NO MORE THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD; YEA, YOUR SACRIFICES AND YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS SHALL BE DONE AWAY, FOR I WILL ACCEPT NONE OF YOUR SACRIFICES AND YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS. And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me A BROKEN HEART AND A CONTRITE SPIRIT. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.
We have to accept the whole message of Isaiah. Not just the things that seem safe or comfortable. Isaiah was very critical of the leaders among God's covenant people of the last days. He spoke of the "blind watchmen," the "dumb dogs," and the "drunkards of Ephraim." Isaiah saw the modern LDS church and its leaders, including RMN and the others among the Q15.
And just what are your fruits that we should follow *_YOU_* ?
@@rconger24This is a stupid question. I'm not asking you to follow me.
@@OmahaAreaLoyaYou’re asking us to follow you in your conclusion that Gods Prophet, President Russell M. Nelson is one of the “dumb dogs”!
Get thee hence, Satan, in the name of our Redeemer Jesus Christ!!!
You are suggesting that the leaders are all corrupt. State the evidence....what about the injunction to not speak evil of the Lord's anointed? Seems pretty clear. There are political leaders that are corrupt, but of the 15 men not likely.
Hugh Nibley (Approaching Zion) described Sodom and Gomorrahs main sin as one of economy. (Sexual sin being in all societies of history and having its own self limiting elements). But these two cities were so elitist that they made it illegal to help the poor. Build into their legal systems were all kinds of ways to rise to the top, and be vicious to their fellow man. Hugh Nibley argues that economy was their downfall, not sex.
Thanks for commenting. The sin of Sodom is always put into the context of sexual sin, and sometimes specifically homosexual sin. This is found throughout the scriptures. In addition, if you look at the Joseph Smith, translation of Genesis 19:11-12 it becomes very obvious. This doesn’t mean that elitism wasn’t a problem. But the men of Sodom were not asking for the men and women to be taken out of lots house, so that they could mock them and exclude them from their clubs. I don’t remember Nibley talking about this specifically but if he did, this would be a rare point of disagreement.
Nibley is fantastic and brilliant. But if he truly argued that the sin of sodom was not sexual, then i have no hesitation to say he was wrong. No doubt their sins were many, including the neglect of the poor and the needy. But we all know what it means to refer to "the sin of sodom," which is clearly homosexuality and unequivocally condemned throughout scripture.
@@OmahaAreaLoya Is this where the sin of Sodom is defined though? Ezekiel 16: 49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
I don’t believe so. That verse addresses sins off which sodom was guilty, including neglecting the poor and the needy. But for whatever reason, the list in that verse didn’t include homosexuality, rape, and other abominations that characterized sodom.
@@OmahaAreaLoya abonimayipns as described in Jacob 1-4 ,in the Book of Mormon was the sin of polygamy as well as pride. The 2 evils he tells them they dealing with that their brethren the Lamanites are better them them in this regard.
3 Nephi 23: 1 And now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to search these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah. 2 For surely he spake as touching all things concerning my people which are of the house of Israel; therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles. 3 And all things that he spake have been and shall be, even according to the words which he spake. Three things, first Jesus have us a commandment to read the Scriptures. #2 everything he said has been and shall be #3 it's time to realize that you, the reader of the book are identified with the gentiles. There's a reason Jesus wants you to read it. #4 the judgments and conditions that Isaiah talks about are the conditions you the gentiles are in. Your about ready to have the gospel taken from you, and the fire getting stoked ain't too far away.
The sin of Isaiah indeed is more than just homosexuality. I think it has to do with a culture treating complete strangers in the most evil and monstrous way possible, as opposed to how Abraham welcomes strangers in the same story.
Thanks for commenting. I’ve heard that a lot, but I do t buy it.
2nephi 13:16 seems a close representation of the prevalence and promotion of sex work and onlyfans girls
Cwic Media, I think the argument that Isaiah applies to all peoples and shows the patterns of the rise and fall of civilizations is problematic. Not all civilizations rise off of inspiration and adherence to Godly principles and then fall from their abandonment. The number of counterexamples to such a view are legion. The Assyrian Empire did not rise off of inspiration and adherence to Godly principles and fall from their abandonment. Rome did not rise and fall from a failure to adhere to Godly principles. The same can be said of Greek civilization, or the Ottoman Empire, or Tang Dynasty, or the Mughal Empire, or the Ancien Regime of France etc. The assertion is overly broad and attempts to explain too much.
I think you would be on a firmer footing if the claim was restricted to the House of Israel and those under covenant with the Lord.
I think there is an earnest attempt to avoid Isaiah's condemnation of ecclesiastical leaders, as that may indict the current leaders if one confines it to the covenant people of the Lord, like it should be. It is safer to expand Isaiah's message to babylon and thereby avoid that uncomfortable reality. No doubt, this same tendency has been among the Lord's people from the beginning, and it has nearly always led to their being led to destruction, just like the ancient Israelites were in their time. The only safety is in the spirit and love of the truth, or things as they really are, not as you suppose or wish them to be.
@@AvoicecyringinthesuburbsEverything I’ve heard over the pulpit in general conference squares with my understanding of the Bible and The Book Mormon. We are counseled to repent and come unto Christ. Our church lifts the poor and teaches people to people to be self reliant. They are working on reaching out to people of all races to bring them into the covenant. It may be that Isaiah’s words applies to the church at some point, but I don’t believe it fits the description of the current leaders.
@@christophertolman7023 The wheat and tares are growing together. The foolish virgins are among the wise. Why do you think that is?
@@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs Of course. I agree, like the Savior said the gospel net gathers fishes of all kinds, and I certainly don't agree with everything that is said and done in local congregations. I think sometimes leaders have a hard time speaking up, because of confrontations that can occur, but generally they do the best they can to keep people coming unto Christ. None of the leaders asked to be called as presidents or bishops, but were asked by a leader to do it, which means a tremendous amount of sacrifice of time away from their own families and hobbies to help build God's kingdom. They aren't compensated monetarily for this work in any way. I hear people criticize the leading brethren for the way they lead the church, but I thinks it's unfounded. One of the things they bring up is about the money that the church has, but the brethren have done many things to help people with the resources we have from the perpetual education fund, byu pathways, humanitarian aid, disaster relief, and much much more. For example, I live in a border city that's experienced heavy amounts of immigration, and it's The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that's sent truckloads of food down to our area, to help relieve people. If you calculate the total dollars the church has, it only equates to six thousand dollars per member. I don't think the Lord wants the brethren to spend all the money and empty the bank accounts. He wants them to be wise stewards. I believe they are saving for a future economic meltdown that is sure to come, because of weak fiat currencies, so they can help their members and other people survive. They are also saving to build God's kingdom, the New Jerusalem. This is why they invest in land and other things to maintain the value of the sacred funds. The current leaders have been faithful in inviting people to come unto Christ, and building up God's kingdom. Most of them worked their entire lives in their own careers to provide for themselves, and they aren't getting rich off the church to build themselves up. They live in regular houses, so to say that they are grinding the faces of the poor, I don't see that it applies to them currently. D&C 88:14 "For Zion must increase in beauty, and in holiness; her borders must be enlarged; her stakes must be strengthened; yea, verily I say unto you, Zion must arise and put on her beautiful garments." This takes resources to do, like places of worship and temples as were had anciently. All of us who pay tithes and offerings have cast into the Lord's storehouse so that this can be done. Isaiah's words are certainly a warning to leaders and members to be watchful, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the church at this moment is falling into those errors. We have a 200-year history, and perhaps many more years to come.
@@christophertolman7023 The Lord stated the things which Isaiah wrote have been and shall be. You simply cannot get around the fact that your perception of reality is simply not accurate when it comes to what the Lord says Isaiah is saying.
You do not believe the Lord when he says that Isaiah's description of ancient Israel's wicked and corrupt state, including its leaders, is applicable to us. Therefore, you do not believe his words shall be. Somehow in your mind modern Israel will not repeat ancient Israel's apostasy. You point to all the good things we do, yet did Paul not say though I give all my goods to the poor, or my body to be burned, that without charity I am nothing?
The pattern is that the Lord's covenant people nearly always fall into apostasy and every time they are blind to their own corruption. When the Lord sends his servant as it states in Isaiah, and calls out the leaders and the members on their sins, will you believe it then? I hope you do, but Isaiah says only 1% of the current saints will. We have all gone astray save it be a few, and even that few are led into error because of the precepts of men according to Nephi.
Isaiah 24:1-6 says that we have transgressed the law, changed the ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant, and as a result the earth will be burned and few men left. That is speaking directly to us. We are the ones who have done that. Ether 4 says we are in an awful state of wickedness and unbelief and need to repent. 2nd Nephi 27 says we are in an awful state of wickedness as well, which is why we do not have the greater things, or the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon.
Ezekiel 34 says the shepherds of Israel are wicked and feed themselves and not the flock. They have not gathered, fed, or healed the flock, but have scattered them and left them to be devoured by the beasts of the field. He then says he will hold them accountable, removed them, and he himself will do the work of the gathering.
JST Matthew 21 implies the same the thing. The miserable wicked men who are the current husbandmen of the vineyard will be destroyed and replaced. We gentiles will be destroyed and the gospel will go to the natural branches and he will gather them in with a literal gathering to the lands of their inheritance.
Laman and Lemuel were confused as to why the Jews in Jerusalem were considered judged by Lehi to be wicked. The sins and wickedness of the Jews had to be revealed to Lehi in order for him to see and understand the gravity of the situation. Yet Laman and Lemuel were like your average member, believing all was well in Zion.
These patterns are given to us so that we will not repeat them, but we always do. The Book of Mormon warns what happens when the Lords people fall away. We will go the way of the Nephites, Jaredites, the Northern tribes, and the Jews and only a small remnant will be left to help the remnant of Jacob build the New Jerusalem. Zion is built after our destruction.
Thanks!
You’re welcome. And thank you!