Making Warhammer like it's 1995!
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As a 90s kid, I was really hoping for flannel shirts, acid wash jeans and Seattle grunge all over this video, but I’ll settle for goblin green bases and card cut-out terrain.
When do we get the Tweed Marines
"really old issues"
Sees issues that I have on my shelf from when I was a kid...
Ahahah I saw thumbnail and was like .I'm not old
Or seeing magazines, that were to new to keep when you were an adults 😂
You should add some context there, as we have no frame of reference for when you were a kid. 😅
Yeah, it's weird being the same age as old people.
I've been printed in White Dwarf's older than these...
The classic technique was/is to stick the paper onto cereal box cardboard. Stronger and more durable than paper alone.
And run a marker or paint brush on the edge of the card to blend in with the colours of the terrain
1) Where's the "official" cardboard dreadnought? 2) paper squidward houses for everyone.
Kind of missing that Thud Gun template from 2nd edition....
Ohhh, I had this issue and built that bunker as a kid. It was eventually crushed by my old Space Fleet box.
I remember when these bunkers came out. I actually just got my ruler, compass and protractor out and drew my own pattern on to the back of some cereal packets. Also, if you layer up the arches, aquilas etc, attach it to a solid base and use a bit of pollyfiller to add some texture, it looks way more solid than a bit of folded card.
... a compass? Surely these 90s terrain pieces are simple enough to not get lost while building them?
It's so cold, we can see our breathing 😂
Here in Canada, in winter, our nose hairs freeze inside our noze 😅
As a teenager, I made those papercraft bunkers and fighting positions from white dwarf for our battlefields.
A year or so ago, I got inspired by seeing them again, and had the idea of building them again, only out of foamcore and heavier duty materials. They came out pretty good, though I am yet to paint them. Eventually that will happen.
I built a few bunkers not too dissimilar to this a few years ago out of foam board and card. Even painted them up. But I didn't like the paint job, so sprayed over it, intending to paint them again. And then they went into my terrain storage tub in the garage and haven't been touched since. Whoops.
Do not use flock for bases, its heresy. Instead Glue sand, paint with goblin green and drybrush with yellow.
This is the way
flock, nothin. they were using static grass. like we had any idea such technology would ever exist.
Murray: No streaking grime for these space bears
Jazza: I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
We used to use metal toothpaste tubes cut up for our banners, you could get some nice folds on them.
we used paper, but adhesed it first to aluminum foil, to basically the same effect.
Yep. feeling real old, cause I would personally consider modular marines and "dark eldar' to be modern miniatures.
Retro (for me) is mono-pose plastic and metal, with pva and sand bases, none of that posh flock. Our terrain was of course 3 tier hills carved from white packing foam, coated in the previously mentioned pva + sand... placed directly onto a ping pong table in the garage lol.
TBH, I don't really miss retro, todays toys are much better.
Oh and Pro tip from my 12 y/o self some 30 years ago: Glue stick those templates onto some cereal box cardboard before cutting them out to get your bunkers nice and ridged.
Lovely work! You're only missing one thing for teh true classic... foam balls with toothpick inserts to make Space Cacti! Green cacti with bright red needles jutting out, stacked on top of one another? they were a staple of pics for a good reason! Quick and easy to make, should throw a few together for the future.
Jen I think its really awesome they posted an official GW article and you are listed as one of their favorite artists! Well deserved I think everyone at TTT are all talented hobby artists. Thanks for inspiring me constantly.
You are right, the paper cathedral is awesome, and it held up great
For those who don't want to fiddle with printing on cardstock, you could always print the designs on normal paper, then glue them to cardstock afterwards.
I missed this era, but grew up with a stack of about 70 White Dwarf magazines from the 90s so this is the Warhammer I first loved. Great video!
I think you should do a 90's style battle report, complete with cutaways at the end of each round recapping the carnage. Doesn't necessarily have to be using rules from 2nd or 3rd edition, just as long as the vibe is overwhelmingly neon!
I loved seeing the old techniques. This video made me smile today, i like it.
Issue 169 was my first ever issue of White Dwarf, and that bunker was a great freebie to get with the magazine.
That old terrain has such a great look
Great job capturing that 90s feel!
With that kind of fold up terrain, a good thing to do with it is to grab some sharpies and take ones that come close to the colors and hit the corners/fold lines there.
Also, while paper banners were one thing, some of the metallic tubes of stuff being cut up for banners was another major thing, a bit of a sand to rough it up and a layer of spray paint works with it.
Loving the amount of details on paper terrain, they still convey the grimderp theme of the setting with 'art' they present.
The gag "only 6000 payments of $19.99" almost made me laugh coffee all over my desk.
it was the bit about the starter set including crippling addiction at no additional cost that got me :)
Man, I wasn't aware of warhammer at all during the 90s, so I don't have any nostalgia for it, and don't normally look at oldhammer stuff. But it's always worth clicking on a TTT video regardless of subject matter - that was a ton of fun.
*gasps*
Clean space bears? HERESY!!!
This was suck a cool idea, gang. Glad you had a killer crack at it.
I was playing in Epic and 40K 1995, I made a lot of my own scenery. I even have my White Dwarf mags and models from back then, Ultra Marines, Orks and Dark Eldar. Looking at my painting style then, it was very similar, lots of green bases.
The starter box for a wargame called Quar has some cute cut out terrain, you should check it out
I second this.
Quar are cute.
holy cow, that really is exactly what our table looked like when i was a kid. When I started this video I was getting prepared to be annoyed by all the over-the-top kitchy inacuracy that would inevitably get thrown in for content value, but that's basically a museum replica of the reality of 90s gaming. Good on ya.
we were there...
This is when I started to collect ! I love this and made me very nostalgic !! Thank you :)
I mean, I started in 3rd as a teenager with my pocket change. That was my edition and that was my time. I still remember tables like that with bunkers made out of that very same print.
That space marine captain you can see at 0:40 is still one of the best 40k models GW ever made.
Wow, you even put together 1000 point armies for this. Nice!
They started doing the paper banners again! You get paper banners with The Green Knight and the Bretonnian Squires Command and they have a few different designs to choose in the box. 😁
I really miss the paper banners, I was just discussing this with a friend while working on my Armorcast Reaver.
For sizing up the bunkers, take the largest piece, size it up until it fills a page, note the percentage then just increase all the others by the same amount and they should match nicely and be a good size.
Great trip down memory lane :) I've still got old WDs from #100 so am gonna dig out some of those templates and give this a go. Nice one
I remember loving to print out paper crafts, cutting them out, and gluing them up like the paper terrains. Fantastic for lowering the barrier of entry and for being more accessible to kids. While game's workshop may not make them, I bet smaller creators still make some for free online
Poor Jen, being so cold in the mintle of winter. Don't worry, dear. It'll be sprang soon enough.
Trip down memory lane, although the only primer people used was white and static grass hadn’t replaced green sawdust yet!
Jen kicked ass with the paper terrain and banner, Love the retro space bears, and hey the game board plus hills are simple and amazing. I love how simple stuff like this used to be. Or I guess I should say could still be. Thanks for sharing!
So I built the terrain that came with the 2nd Ed set and it took me a week or two to work out why it looked different to what was in the White Dwarf. Then I picked it and started painting the edges and tops of the walls with the colours relevant to the art on the sides. Looking at that one I think your building would look so much better with the corners and edges painted grey.
This stuff was old even by the time I started playing! I remember people saying that my Chaos Dreadnought was too old to be used, but now everybody wants to buy it from me because it looks better than the Helbrute (not to mention heavier 😭).
My 2 year old loves Jen. Everytime she is on screen or on VO he stops what he is doing to watch the screen.
Resisting the urge to paint a combat patrol in this retro space bears colours…….
I played manny games of 40 with that paper bunker back in the 90s not sure Id want to go back to card terain now but loved it back in the day.
When we got that issue (still have: ). We photocopied a number of them then did them up properly based, also the trench works (made a bunch of those). Still have em and still playable! Accessibility to just get things on the table is great for players!
I just posted a video this morning doing the same thing! It's honestly super fun,👍 great build!
I remember the Tim building hivecity(necromunda) from cornflakes Boxes and toiletrolls
Love this idea. I would love to do a 90's board sometime myself. Though my onyl critique, in 1995 we would have had 2nd edition Space marines not 3rd ;) but super nitpicky. Loved the video.
This hit my teenage hobby nostalgia hard
I'm sure I still have that exact bunker around somewhere. Along with dozens of those marines and dark eldar. No Space Bears though.
Perfect retro blast - thank you :D
I think the big thing you guys missed on converting those marines is that a lot of plastic kits were cross compatible. Especially with Chaos.
Definite yes to making up your own designs. Card terrain is fantastic for a quick job but also integrates really well with ithr techniques.
I”m not into the retro stuff because I got into WH during the pandemic, but this was a seriously fun video. You folks always look like you’re having fun, but the relative lack of complexity seemed like a nice diversion. I also have to give serious props to the editor(s) for the fantastic outro with the 80s VHS and music!
YES! THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR, MORE 90s! :)
Loved the goofy side of the 40K stuff then, Like Guardsmen being named after people who worked on the 1966 Batman TV show.
What I did to make buildings was to get packaging foam from electronics, like VCRs and stereos, etc, They had weird shapes, I'd cut and then fit them together, and then plaster over them, adding doors, etc where needed. Worked great, and easy to paint. Dirt cheap too.
Space bear buildings would be epic
The HILLS-- I love them. The papercraft terrain is so cool, that should be a thing again. I think Space Bears papercraft would be really neat!!
as an American in the midst of a heat wave, i would trade for your cold snap in a heartbeat
im old enough to have bought issue 169 from the lfgs, and used that bunker for years until it finally fell apart.
Really enjoyed the video.
Must we? Old is relative folks. Feels like yesterday to me. I still have some of those paper models I never got round to putting together.
Try lightly scoring the joints on the card so that it’ll bend exactly where you want. You might want to reinforce the joints with a touch of PLA glue.
I personally LOVE the banners in 40k! I think they should bring them back not only with chapter ancients, but even personal servators/serfs like they do for Chaplin Grimaldus of the Black Templars
1:51 They've been *scanned*. Photocopying is something else. Young whippersnappers!
You should use a black or ideally grey felt pen to colour in the white cut edges of the card. Will make them look way better.
Oh nooooo! Spongebob Thadeus looking bunker, once seen I cannot undo it! :D
And the reveal looked like a WD spread! Well done!
going to cast doubt on murray saying older models did not get converted as much. as many kits did not exist, you had to convert to get what you wanted, and it was the sign of status to have seriously converted your army. and some of us were converting metal models, it barely counts if you don't have to use a hacksaw for an arm swap!
The outro music made me pause and go “wait that’s slimecicle’s Jort Storm.” But… I’m sure it’s probably the opposite case lol
ah when planets were all green... excellent stuff guys, nostalgiagasm
Mmm I can smell the scatter dice from here. Thanks for the vid legends
Very cool and yeah I think it would be interesting to see new designs from you guys taking this same approach... I like modern takes using retro techniques.
90s SPACE BEARS!
"Why is it so cold?!"
*laughs in canadian*
Odd question but where could I find pdf of these older issues? Cause this actually looks like it would be fun to build
That was fun. Thanks.
Those bunkers (especially reddish one) looks like they will trade you some emeralds
Kinda feel personally attacked by Jenn calling the White Dwarf issues 'old' and 'retro'. I have most of those issues from when I was a kid... 😂
Great work guys! Those reveal shots look like they could've been torn straight out of a White Dwarf a couple of hundred issues ago!
we built several of these bunkers and the emplacements from the same period
Those terrain pieces look sick! Do you guys know the specific issues in which these terrain options were featured? I'd like to try making these myself at some point.
The old gw site forum in the late 90’s was a goldmine of terrain builds and info
This is also when the game peaked, fight me
I miss Oldhammer so much! The good old time. 🥹
I think you were a touch hard on the classic plastics by saying they weren't good for converting. They were cross compatible with all the other Space Marine kits at the time, meaning creating individual guys was easy with a few boxes, and they were cheaper back then. Paying about £20-something for a box when you want multiples is much more of a viable approach than it is today where you're paying double that. I ended up having to split my Space Wolves bits box into one for power armour and one for Terminator & Scout armour as I mixed kits around so much to make each Space Wolf in my army as individual as possible.
Just bought a 2nd edition box set all complete all unpainted, this was mine & mates 1st ever set we went halves on using paper round money
You’re meant to photocopy the pages, glue the copies to cereal boxes to make them rigid. Or to plasticard for them to really last.
So 97 was when I got into Warhammer and those dark eldar are the ones I had. I painted them in as if the were wearing the uniform that Vegeta first appeared in on dragon ball z .. good times I think I still have parts for those warriors in bitz box.
I’d love to see you guys play an old edition of 40K!
omfg i remember these old white dwarf. this is like some dwarfs in moria digging too deep and unearthing things best left ... earthed?
Y’all gotta do the foam ball cacti! I’ve been watching some people paint and play 2nd edition 40K like miniscape and minisodes. I don’t remember if it was one of those two or a different retrohammer video I watched but there was a gamesworkshop terrain how to book. Maybe y’all could pull some ideas from that
I remember that edition.... I remember that bunker.
Some files for paper terrain would work great in your shop. Digital file, you download and print it.
That green. I remember it from the first time I walked into a store that sold Warhammer :D
Now I feel old.
Cool video. Just one thing, if you really want 90s retro then your space marines would have to be beakies. I was rather hoping that you had gotten hold of some of them to paint up.
Great video!
the back banner!!!
Awww yissss - a classic
I do have a stash of rather old WDs around somewhere... 😅
Paper & card uses GSM, by the way, not "GCM".
You might get some rather confused looks from suppliers.
Those Marines and Dark Eldar came out in the fall of '98, and they were a significant innovation compared to the plastic kits from 2E. A little imagination, and a few extra bits, and they were very much customizable.
Banner poles fell out of favour in early 3E for various reasons. I'd bet the chief reason was that transporting the models in carrying cases wasn't as easy with the poles. They also broke fairly easily.