My first Warhammer Painting Commission!
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Jen you have really come into your own as a presenter. Your last solo vid was great.
Thankyou that's very kind
Totally agree, I wanna see more Jen hosted videos
Yes it's lovely seeing your confidence in front of the camera grow and your personality come out more and more :)
“Everyone in this place needs a coffee” is such a mood.
Farmer Dave is a top 10 Dave. Hope to see more Farmer Dave in the future. I also send my best to the coffee cow.
I honeslty would have expected to pay much more for a commissioned mini! A few hundred was my expectation, given the time, experience, and supplies that goes into it!
I do commission work for my play group and go by a model by model basis with the friends discount in effect. I'm effectively underselling myself for reasons other than a concept of self worth but it's still an undersell.
For me is painting minis what gives me the most fun in miniature wargaming, too!👍
Thousand Sons lends itself well to those colors. Very nice.
I'm a 90s kid, so we were super into obnoxiously bright, garish colors. Hot pink, electric orange, neon green. I'm using that kind of palette for a little Space Marine and Tyranid diorama. Just as a fun exercise outside of my painting comfort zone, but inside of my nostalgia comfort zone.
edit: YES. Never bend and support scalpers. That should be absolutely strangled out of our hobby. Getting Cursed City, Indomitus, and the first Warcry box was a nightmare, and scalping was rampant every time. I had to wait over a year for all of them but eventually found each for close to retail. (except for Warcry...no choice, tbh) UUGGH. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks, Restricted Production & Artificial Scarcity sales tactics!
*sees almond milk* Ah, there is no milk.
Not all heroes wear capes
And some cows eat coffee beans
You had me at cow coffee...these videos are becoming more fun and more relaxed, well done. For the practical side of it, I guess you get methane which the cow belches, get the beastie to retain it and send it to one of its stomach compartments, which is lined with ceramic bricks to make a furnace, pipe the heat into another stomach compartment in which the coffee the cow eats goes, do some advanced plumbing to get the milk in the system and then all you need is an egress and a cup. Good job I like my coffee black.
👍👍 I mean the Civet cats have been printing money with this one for years now, it's about time they had some competition 😃! Some kind of stoma bag and catheter arrangement seems viable, just difficult to keep the wound sites clean 🤷🏼♀️😊
I've done a bunch of commission painting over the years and Murray is right on - don't short change yourself. The best piece of advice I can give going along with that is to work out how long it's going to take you to complete the potential project. Then you can work out how much you should be charging, and break it down to an hourly wage. If someone doesn't want to pay your quote - which absolutely will happen - simply move on. Don't lower your price because if you're at a point where you're making less than minimum wage (for example), it's probably not worth it. Beyond that, be as up front and clear with the clients as possible. Make it clear the standard you can/will paint to, and just speak to them about how the want it painted and what palette they're thinking of. And yeah, test models and constant feedback is important. Also in terms of showcasing your abilities, despite it's shortcomings Instagram can work as a good portfolio for your past projects and general painting ability.
Guess who forgot they cleaned the kettle last night w/ vinegar? WOOOOOOOO The witches brew I made this morning.... why is this cuppa completely off. O_o
Need to double the price if you are using the Murray Method in painting commissions.
My guess too. I was thinking half the box price for assembly and twice the box price for priming and painting as a base formula. Not outlandish but still worth the effort of commission.
been loving the Tabletop Talk videoss
Jenn, this is amazing! Because I don't play or paint minis, I've never thought about this, but your conversation with Murray was very interesting! I love learning about different aspects of this hobby!
Whenever anything sells out very quickly, I'm always suspicious of resellers.
As a graphic designer and commission painter...you need to charge more. Take into account that you are witteling down your brushes, paints, airbrushes, etc. etc. etc.
In percentage, the client needs to pay for your bills, and your skills. Always. Otherwise, you're better off not doing it and taking on another job. It's your time, your time is the most precious thing you can sell. Make it precious. The moment you undersell, you're basically saying "I'm not worth much". Never do that.
I am definately getting the sister’s mini. Even if I can’t play her, I want to just paint her up for enjoyment.
I could not see myself commission painting, I like to keep what I have painted. I have been painting 34 years, the only models I have given away are to my adult daughter and her husband for D&D games a few years ago. Now they use a TV screen on the table and digital models for D&D, I think it is just wrong.
I was expecting a brighter pink. I personally would call it a garnet color
Been into 40k since the end of second and start of 3rd. I've only played a couple games in that time. 😂 I love the modeling, painting and lore (especially the lore) but the game has never been my thing. I especially love armies with a back story. Modeling that tells a story is by far my favorite thing ever.
I screamed when I saw this thumbnail!!!! Yes!!!!!
I had a small white scars force commision painted a few years ago because, well, WHITE. The experince was great... until I got the models back. The one thing I didn't want was 'hospital stark white' but thats exactly what I recieved. There is a reason why you've never seen it in the store.
The pink looks really fantastic.
Love all of them! I’ve nearly finished my thunderhawk but I’m terrified of getting started on my Stormbird… can you perhaps start yours to give me a nudge?
Oh painting 1 thousand son is fun, but I'm really strugeling to paint all that trim for a whole squad. Good luck on your commission.😊
Don't you guys have any old Murray robots lying around that could be the coffee monitor? 😅
It would be nice if GW partnered with someone to do print on demand of everything in addition to the special and hard cover versions
18:00 right there with you... we're finally getting a new eldar novel, a Lelith one no less, and the book just isn't available --' at least that's just a the collector edition. Here's to hoping they don't wait too long to release the regular prints... or even the audiobook ? maybe ? please GW ?
Not that it would be cheap or easy, but if you really want a physical copy of the book. You could buy the ebook and have it printed and bound. It's not illegal to do this for personal use. And you would have control over things like the cover. Just a thought that crossed my mind listening to this
Coffee bits are getting better and better!
But where does the steam come from to foam milk for cappuccino?
I so want a big "cinematic" centerpiece for the tyranids... seriously, just give us something! At least as a "sorry" for putting the 'nids in a toe-to-toe position with the Avatar of Khaine in the worf competition.
-Swarmlord cutting down Calgar honorguard
-Deathleaper literally materializing from the shadows
-Old-One-Eye breaking through the ice
-Fate of Malan'Tai on a pile of charred wraithknight
-A special ripper swarm unit bursting from a Space Marine body to complement the Parasite of Mortrex mini...
Give us something to remembers those few victories we were allowed to get, please.
Yup I get a lot of my D&D models commission painted by a friend who plays in one of my games. Usually charges me a block amount for either a unit of monsters or a big character/monster. I just don't have the skill or patience to do a good enough job myself.
I would love to see the Autarch from the old 4th Eldar codex get a model. That cover art brought me in to the faction.
Cant really wait more of your guys vids. Love the new way you do the 2 vids a week its great. I do have a question when will you show us again cityes of sigmar army :D. Cant wait the next vid.
Great info - thank you
Great idea for a video guys!!!!
Hopefully this is a 1/10
Keep it up guys, I know it’s not been great recently but you really are finding your style and slowly gaining audience even if it is two steps forward one step back
Love y’all again (respectfully as irony would tell me to say)
i do commission work for extra cash - however, even if I only charge minimum wage ($15 per hour here in CA) it still works out to be $600 for 10 marines. This ends up at 4 hours to build, prime, paint and base each model to a good standard. Anything less than that and I may as well go work part time at McDonalds.
Where are the Knights of Avalon? Are they safe?
Interesting stuff! Always wondered about how commission painting works
THOUSAND SONS YESSSSS
I painted now 4 models for a board game, for a friend, i got some expensive chocolate, and that was plenty of fun and nice!
I think painting smaller projects for people, with an agreed upon price is fine.
I have though personally been burned so many times by a friend where i have been doing creative favors for her, making logos or drawing some ref sheets for her, just to find out she ended up PAYING someone to make the exact same thing.. I love her very much but damn it sucks when you do friends a favor or only ask a little price and then they turn around and pay full price at a person doing the same quality job..
It's times like these I am glad I like neither milk or coffee. Seems a lot of travel for coffee cow milk.
I loved building for my friends, I’d only ask to keep the left over bits 😅
I've thought about doing commisions occasionally, but I paint for fun so I really don't want to monetise my hobby. Having said that, I would happily lend people my zombie-batching skills for money. 15 minutes a model? yeah.
The sister is cool, very cool in fact - and if they released some cool new Death Guard model I might grab it. But I probably won't because I've got other games to be collecting..
I like a small amount of like details like colors of armor, skin, hair, and possible anything extra or weird
Some people forget that this isn't a hobby, it is a collection of hobbies. Collecting, building, painting, display painting, list building, terrain building, diorama building, actually playing the game, armchair gaming, etc...
There's a lot of stuff anyone can get into, and there's no requirement to get into all of it. I'd never paint for commissions, but I know people who have and they are mostly just painters who like to paint. It lets them practice their hobby as both a hobby and a source of paint money.
I'm doing my Blood Bowl Amazons as a Barbie style team with neon pink and blue.
Just for me though, not a commission. :)
Speaking of books, I like books too. I looooovvve books. But I've been accumulating them for more than 50 years now and I've run out of space. I have to buy 90% of my new books as ebooks. Either that or move to a warehouse down in the industrial district.
I love the coffee skits.
Hope that "milk" did not come from a bull....😮😂. You are so absolutely bonkers. LOVE you. Always funny to watch. And aaalllways good tips.. Regards from Denmark. Alex..
The non-painter is so funny to me because I have grand armies and have never played a game. I literally just want to model and paint and make terrain. When I’m in a hobby store people ask what I play or what armies I collect, but I’m literally just buying whatever looks coolest.
Lipstick red , barbie pink, bubblegum blue and sexy flesh.. my perfect pallette
I'm a very happy Sacred Rose player.
I would love for you guys to promote other miniature brands that you're interested in in the final segment, I'm sure 99% of us aren't so in the hobby and we're missing out biggg😂😂
I sucked at painting at 15 left the hobby. I have now bought laviathan but am too scared to paint yet
GIVE ME THE SECRETS OF PAINTING PINK ARMOR
Please help. I am so invested in the coffee narrative.
Best advice for commission painting: Charge triple for space marines.
HELL YES
I am sick of these bastards that buy up whole shipments, just to sell it more expensive. I am a vinyl record lover. It is the same issue. People think they can make their pension, selling rare records for ridiculous prices. I am totally on with a higher price for a rare item, but lets keep the fond interest alive, instead of killing it. Sorry for the outburst. Alex
Milking mice and now coffee cow? the TTT alternative reality is really something 🤣.
I'm not the best but I have done it for friend I have 3d printed and painted the models. Now I charge for like the resin I use rounded up, then painting ,but if it's a stl file I don't own I will charge then for that file. I don't think it feel wrong charge them for a file because I'm printing it and painting too
0:31 But there's milk right there...
But is it coffee cow milk?
@@TabletopTimesoybois and soyjenns
Erebus levels of heresy here...
'Good cow coffee'!! :)
It is so hard to set a good price for commissions. I know that it should be more expensive than so many people dare to charge, but I have no idea how to get a more realistically price. I can pay and I would really like to when I go out getting myself something commissioned.
Thanks for talking about this.
Think of the minimum wage then hours to complete as well as materials used. If the painter doesn’t have a competition medal or a sick Instagram, then they have no right charging anything more than minimum wage in “their” area. Lots of out of country options if you want to roll the dice on shipping. For example I live in Vietnam and minimum wage is roughly $1.50. I did a centurion box with full kitbash (lifted the legs narrowed the shoulders so they didn’t look like shoeboxes) different colour scheme for each one, free hand on 2 and decals on the other with a simple rock textured base for just under the box price. Also mid level parade quality.
Squidmar did some videos where he paid people to paint minis. Was interesting.
Did I spy JERSEY MILK in your fridge ?
Which HH books are you looking for?
Hahaha I feel your pain on things that sell out fast. Back in the Pre-covid times when Cons were huge My friends and I liked to go to PAX every year and with PAX at the time the only way to get tickets was to Wait for the twitter announcement made the day tickets went on sale and BE IN THE QUEUE FIVE MINUTES PRIOR to the tweet going live.
So basically you had to know that Usually between X and Y date tickets have historically gone on sale and you had to spend that whole month long period refreshing your browser constantly and then Yelling at your friends over text the moment you saw the page change to available and then go in and buy enough for your entire group if you were the first person to get into the queue.
By the time the tweet was live if you got in the queue you were likely not getting any passes.
I was worried there’d be no coffee
Dairy farmers speak with an mid-Atlantic 1930’s radio announcer?
You've never had coffee cow milk and it shows ;)
Im in the weird place of I wish I could hire someone to assemble the minis for me. I LOVE painting. But snipping and gluing bits is hell for me.
4 times the price of the box to paint the models in it, 5 times if you got to build the models to. To a army tabletop standard
Asking for bix price is ok for some miniatures, but the time it takes to paint stuff does not fully correlate with the price. Guardsmen for example are an absolute pain to paint. Nurgle is one of the easiest to make look ok fast...
You look a bit green around the gills murry
😊
Literally 3 bottles in the fridge 😂
Bunnings.
Cowffee
Would like to hear your thoughts on a similar subject - paid DMing.
nono, that ones a steer
I don’t understand the coffee jokes
What jokes? We are just documenting our experiences getting coffee
cowffee...
No milk, literally milk in the fridge door. Cmon Jen!
Tarik!
Where...... How ..... Cows?
If you live in central/west Europe, don't do it. Eastern europe is sooo much cheaper, competing with those prices is insane (like 2€ per mini)
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Jen I'm hearing you. The End and the Death part 2. What a shit show.
Finally got it, but it cost me double what it would have otherwise. but I did get it from a game store not Ebay
Commission painter here. Honestly it’s kinda a really bad job if you’re located in 1st world countries because you’ll have to charge per time less than what a regular job pays on average (I’m located in the US), that and dealing with having to paint really complicated models or armies you don’t like at all it’s another layer. I’m stopping commissions indefinitely this year, it has made me kinda dislike painting in a way too, sometimes you have to compromise too many details or make everything look airbrushed hard, it’s really hard to find a balance and a profit. Maybe I’m too perfectionist and slow…
First
If only people were more willing to colab for free. Then the people who only want to build, the people who only want to paint, and the people who only want to play can work together.
Then you talk about prices and I remember that this is a hoby for rich people and folks like me who have to treat every dolar like it's our life force because we don't have that much need to pretend warhamer doesn't exist.
Frist
Literally about to unsubscribe, coffee says enough about a person..... especially when it comes to their breath🤢 is this tabletoptime or am I missing something?
Unsubscribe then, we won't miss you - don't be so judgemental.
Ok it's done😂