Counting Stones - attempting to design a scale model without measurements
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- It is time to start the next building on High Street. I do not have the measurements of this one, so in this video I show how I used the classic “brick counting” technique to draw the face of the building to something that almost looks like the right scale.
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Jesus H! Another great building, can't wait for the next instalment - Cheers, John
Thanks John
Hi Michael always enjoy watching your layout thanks for sharing DD.
Thank you for watching!!
@@Chandwell Your welcome Michael
Extremely interesting video. Amazing building to. Odel. Can’t wait to catch up on the next episodes. Unfortunately a little bit behind at the moment. Roy.
Still plenty more to see yet Roy!
I’ve used brick counting for measuring buildings for years - I produce planning drawings for extensions mainly, but I’ve also worked on historic buildings too. Once you know the brick gauge, counting the number of courses works a treat!
Indeed it’s a time honoured system. This one was a little difficult as the stone courses are irregular. There is a fatter one and a thinner one every so often. I guessed it averaged out overall though.
Thanks for the mention Michael appreciated. As always your work is exceptional and inspired me to move to using Inkscape. All the best Alan.
Thank you Alan!
You never fail to impress me Michael !
Thank you Euan!
Loving all your updates Michael..Im almost tempted to move back to British N gauge
Yeah!!
To do a job properly with any subject, research, planning and careful planning are essential.
In this video Michael shows us all the way that research should be carried out, and his pleasure at the work done is very plain for all to hear.
It matters not a jot how long the research takes, but if you do it thoroughly, you should end up with a perfect result. Excellent video my friend. Cheers, Bob
Thank you Bob. I do love every element of making a building and the planning is just as much fun as the building.
Great video Michael.
Although the theory such as ‘brick counting’ is well know, your tutorial brings this process ‘alive’.
Well done.
Thank you!
You probabely already know this, but the inward slope is a perspective trick to make the building look higher, they also used this at the Parthenon in Athens!
Where the Acropolis is.....?!😆
@@daviemaclean61 "They say..."
@@carriageofnoreturn.1881 🎶 "What do they say?! What do they say?! 🎶
I love it!
Oh My Lord (puns pertaining to Methodist churches not withstanding)!
Not only do you regularly prove your brilliance to build, show and share all that you have created in an ever more real Chandwell city but now you have also taught all of us out here to scratch-build any building!
PLUS for me personally, who needs to remove my shoes and sox to count past ten, you have made math possible... Thank you.
What school could never do you have succeeded in making math logical, sensible, understandable and even logical WOW!
Thank you!!
Another great video Michael. I really do love how you create a back story for your buildings. You're bringing to life what most just see as a model.. It's inspiring and certainly has me thinking about my next project, and how I want to bring to life my own little world... But, still a little way to go on this one!! Perhaps, I can do some research and see about Crosby Garrett's past, (Or make some up!) Craig.
Go for it!! Making up the back story is a load of fun and helps the overall model too as it helps to bring it together as a cohesive whole.
This has all the halmarks of a Chandwell Classic! Look forward to seeing this take shape.
Andrew🙂
You’re a couple of videos behind Andrew… It has become possibly my favourite building in Chandwell and it’s not even finished yet… I think the eventual way it turns out will be right up your street.
@@Chandwell I'm catching up slowly...I'll get there eventually 🤣
I've also use the brick counting method (vertically and horizontally), but using 3D CAD for my buildings. Looking forward to the build. Sad the Methodists moved on.
Thank you! Yeah, I guess they must have moved to a different building somewhere else in Chandwell.
One.... ha ha ha ha... Two.... ha ha ha ha! Could not help but hear the good old Count.
😂 The clue was in the title!! 😂😂🤣🤣🙄
Who said that basic math can’t help you! Good video.
Indeed!!
Stunning work there michael just love candwell Dave at Tinsley tmd
Thank you Dave!
Another way of calculating building dimensions is to paint a broom handle, or other long thin strip of wood, into 12" or 30 cm sections of contrasting colours. Red with white or, black with white sections. This stick is placed against the building and photos taken from a distance. The entire photo is then in scale with the painted stick. Works a treat. Cheers!
Super tip. Thank you.
I really enjoy the way you go about the design process.
Another great building on the way.
Thank you.
That was so funny that you mentioned the stained glass episode toward the end. I was just thinking how wonderful that would be backlit. So happy you chose that structure, it's going to look great. Realy impressed with the overall skyline. The buildings architecture is impressive too, just keeps festering ideeas in my mind for future builds.
Thanks,
Don
It’s coming together nicely, I think!
Very helpful method to gain accurate proportions from just looking at pictures. The building will look magnificent in the end, Michael. Amazing, where you spot all those classical buildings with their unique atmosphere.
All the best
Valentin
Thank you Valentin!
Michael Really good to see you design process from idea, prototype inspiration to basic measurements and line drawing. Yes I now know where the prototype is but can’t say it’s made much of a impact as Row of Council Buildings across from the Station in Ilkley. A online Bradford Telegraph & Argus Article described the real building as built in the Arts & Crafts Style. From this video & online photos you can see that style at least in large glass window but very understated compared to a lot of say William Morris Liberty Prints which may be helpful. But guessing a Church building would understated compared a Council Building or the like. Looking forward to see how this develops and how it fills the space available. In the real building photos that it has outside wall on the lefthand side and another building on the righthand side. But in Chandwell it really the other way round but guess you could have the lefthand side wall on both side of the model. I think as you’re planning doing a extension building behind the town hall there might have been a narrow Lane at the back beside beck wall to allow coal merchant cart to deliver coal for Town Hall & chapel. Ian
Thanks Ian. Yes, I also think access round the back is important.
Never thought of using lines in Inkscape as construction lines, I’ve been using the horizontal and vertical guides and it gets confusing. The building looks like another brilliant build.
Yeah! I rarely use guidelines. I find real lines easier to work with.
Another fantastic video Michael. You are a truly inspiring person.
Wow. Thank you.
Well worked out from the resources at hand. I have used a white plastic 12" ruler propped against my subject before, but that was a long long time ago, very much pre internet, street view, etc.
Good technique!!
Excellente réflexion et méthode de travail ... Beaucoup de plaisir pour la réalisation de ce bâtiment
Thank you!
I wish i shared the vision you have and was able to take the same inspiration from the world that you do!
I love looking around and choosing something to build.
Amazing how you develop the drawing. I learn something new every time you release a video. Such as, I wasn't aware that N scale was 1/148 in the UK (and probably everywhere else) while here in the US, it's 1/160.
According to Wikipedia: "Depending upon the manufacturer (or country), the scale ranges from 1:148 to 1:160. Effectively the scale is 1:159, 9 mm to 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in), which is the width of standard gauge railway. However the scale may vary to simulate wide or narrow gauge rail. In all cases, the gauge (the distance between the rails) is 9 mm or 0.354 in. The term N gauge refers to the track dimensions, but in the United Kingdom in particular British N gauge refers to a 1:148 scale with 1:160 (9 mm or 0.354 in) track gauge modelling. [...] The scale 1:148 defines the rail-to-rail gauge equal to 9 mm exactly (at the cost of scale exactness), so when calculating the rail or track use 1:160 and for engines and car wheel base use 1:148."
Learning something new every day ! :)
I don’t know why British N Scale is 1:148 and is generally 1:160 everywhere else.
I love that you did it all from internet images, despite the fact that we know you were physically there from the first shot and could have brought a tape measure. It's a delightful flex of some great skills and double checking.
I'm curious to see how you do the recess on that arched window. It looks really deep from the google street view images.
It was fun showing what can be done without having to physically measure anything.
Thanks!
Thank you very much indeed! That is extremely kind of you.
Hi Michael, I have viewed your videos with interest this upload more than others due to the subject How big? What size? As an ex building student from Leeds Building College and ex railway modeller a subject close to my heart. History of buildings being a favourite subject. I was at the college in the 50’s therefor a mason or apprentice mason would be around in my early years that worked on that building. Calculating Heights by counting stonework is fraught with difficulty due to areas generally useing local stone. Stone varies area to area especially with sedimentarty stone. This stone is sedimentary but very fine Looking closely at the plaque one can just observe a fine grain but most important, machine marks are evident that suggests it is ashlar, a facing of stone to a brickwork backing. Not load bearing brickwork the supporting structure being probably a structural steel frame. This building was constructed in an imperial measurement era so I would assume the measurements will relate to standard brick coursing ie 9” long by 3” high including mortar. The mortar joints are very tight, again suggesting ashlar therefore can I suggest 22.86 is the height of a block (3 course of brick)? This coursing rule goes through all sectors of the building lets say doors:- a standard door is 6’ 6” x 2’6” or 6’ 8” 2’ 8” giving a 3’ 0” masons opening But the killer is the stair case the treads are multiples of 7” therefore a standard storey height is 8’ 0” from floor finish to floor finish or a multiple of 7. If this is not attained the builder has a problem if you increase or decrease a riser you have introduced a killer tread one you would notice when using, if disabled you would trip or fall. You will be surprised at the amount of stairs I have failed to pass due to this error. I apologise for the length its impossible to put half a years study into a comment. gGreat video Mike B
Thank you for your detailed and really interesting comment. Always a pleasure to read your thoughts on buildings. I did notice that this building’s stone courses seemed irregular. There is the occasional fatter one and the occasional thinner one. I guessed that they averaged out, and if like you say it was arranged in multiples of brick sizes or step sizes, then that was probably an ok assumption. I’d love to know how close or otherwise my guesses are, but even if I’m off by a couple of feet, it’s still only 4mm on the layout and it will never be noticed.
@@Chandwell Correctly put. The construction industry has two adhages 1. Engineers measure in millimeters Surveyors just get it right. 2. If it looks right it is right.
Take care Mike B
I can't wait to see your job on the glazing...
Not sure how I’m going to do that yet…
@@Chandwell i'M SURE YOU'LL DO A GREAT JOB!
@@philcorrin1035 Thank you Phil. What I amen is I’m not sure whether to make it leaded and patterned like the original or to simply whitewash or even board it over. It depends on how destructive the motor parts shop has been. I think I’ll end up somewhere in between!
I have really enjoyed your skills from the very start of your n gauge layout. I was looking at the location for your church building and could not help but wonder if you were to think ahead would leaving the right hand side of the previous old Town Hall building blank have been an option and saved you quite a few hours modeling time?
Thank you John. Apart from a simple brick texture, the right hand wall is blank. It has no windows, downspouts, or other detail. I textured it in brick though as I am leaving a very narrow alleyway between that wall and the chapel building, just like the prototype in Sowerby Bridge. 👍
Methodist chapel...master-stroke
Thank you
Chandwell, craftsmanship from first principles. Unlike them posh buggers from Leeds that have no principles.
You seem to know an awful lot about them posh buggers from Leeds B1965 I suspect you might just be one...?
Anyway, you posh buggers from Leeds have Big Sam Allardyce to contend with now. Good luck with that guys.
Fully agree that Michael's approach and delivery are superb.
😂
Here's a silly question: Why not simply use Adobe Lightroom from the start to scale the image do the correct size ? Then you could have simply "traced" the outlines of the facade's features rather than doing all that counting and maths.
Ha ha. I wondered if someone would ask that. Yes, I could, and I have done in the past. However, I considered two things when deciding to present it this way on this occasion. The first was that I’d still need to count the bricks and do the measuring to work out the height. Lightroom can straighten the edges but I still need to stretch it vertically. By having the stone courses counted and lined up, I can at least be sure that my texture will also line up properly without any drift. And secondly, I wanted to present something that anyone could follow. Not all of my viewers have access to the technology so my hope was to present something that anyone could achieve without making the video a tutorial of how to trace a photo. 👍
By hell mate, you don't half like a challenge. Arthur
Oh aye!
today I learned an '07 Corsa is an _unfortunate number_ of millimeters high. if you have one, maybe over or underinflate the tyres slightly
I didn’t take into account that the tyres may have been underinflated. Or they had a load of luggage in the car. Shall I rip it all up and start again!!? 🤣
@@Chandwell oh, that's not the point - it's that "1488" specifically is a neonazi dogwhistle, of all things. it's a covert reference to an anti-semitic speech where the first sentence has 14 words, and the 8th letter of the alphabet > 88 > "HH" > "Heil Hitler". however… the designers of the '07 Corsa almost certainly didn't take this into account when drawing up the dimensions for this car ;)
@@RoamingAdhocrat Oh heck. I didn’t know… I understand your comment now.
@@Chandwell yeah, it's one of the weird things you pick up, when you're friends with the kinds of political activists who monitor and oppose that kind of thing!
Couldnt you just measure one course?
The corsa trick is genius tho!
Yes, that would be possible, but I did not for three reasons. 1. I did not go there with anything to measure with. 2. Each course is different. There are some thick courses and some thinner ones on this particular building. I guessed that over a few courses the differences would average out. 3. I wanted to present an example of what you can achieve by just using Google Street View. I happen to live near this building, but this technique works for any building with brick/stone courses anywhere.
@@Chandwell ahh I see interesting about the variation. Well anyway it worked a treat!
Yeah it was really odd. I wasn’t sure if I was imagining it at first.
3 brick equal 8" in the USA.....we use the same technique here of counting brick ....common brick.....
It’s a time-honoured technique certainly.
the huge window looks impossible if your name's not Michael!!
And maybe even if your name is!!! 😂