Ebike 85 Miles around Lake Tahoe NO pedaling? We tried it.
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48v/60ah.... Too big or just right?
I love it, I time and adult strike so the weight and size is not a problem
*Definitely big battery=Range anxiety solved! For the money this is a really good deal, This is a really good bike for beginners and avid riders my opinion, I’ve got aprox 4500 miles on my bike (not this bike) so I believe I know a little bit about things, you can always get another set of better forks if it bothers you, I believe you can put bigger springs in them, most bike seats aren’t good, again just get a really comfortable seat, brakes you can adjust or just buy a hydraulic set less than $100, these are things your probably going to change on most any ebike from my experience, in this price range your getting a very nice head start for this price point, most ebikes you can go into settings and turn speed limit off and change settings. Hope this helps and I don’t get paid to write this, l’m just trying to give a little insight*
I ride a Sun EZ-Tandem with a 1Kw front hub motor and 2 48v/20Ah batteries (in parallel). The rig weighs in at 125 LBS and will drag my ass about 50-60 miles, throttle only. Those 2 batteries are in rear loading rear rack configuration, and weigh about 15 LBS each. I'd love to hear how they shoved 60Ah into 20 LBS of battery.
If you really wanna ride for some distance, you need the battery.
I'm never on pavement - dirt trails only, but I'm tired before I can ride in pedal assist mode and use 20 AH ~25 miles but if I went throttle only 40 AH would be plenty
Most people don't need it, but I personally am looking for this sort of range. I live about 90 miles from my mother, with about 1000 ft of elevation total, and of course having some range left when I get there would make me feel better as the battery ages and just to get things done. I am glad this exists, I can't wait to see when batteries get lighter, and perhaps the bikes too.
Sounds like a very good use case for it. This bike would easily replace a car for many people.
Solid state batteries are the next generation. They wont degrade as fast and will take way less time to fully charge
Diamond Batteries are the future.
This is great for commuters with longer commutes, and no ability to charge at work. It would give some surplus for side trips, or allow commuting several days without charging.
I've actually purchased this bike and my experience was exactly the same The battery is amazing I'll probably never end up using all of it suspension on the front for could be way better it bottoms out I actually end up changing it out ever since I'd done that I feel like I have a perfect bike no more range anxiety performance is just what I'm looking for in a moped bike The company sent me a new colored screen for the price I would definitely say it's a winner and I enjoy writing it at least three or four times a week thank you for the excellent review keep up the good work and keep in the e-bite community informed
May I ask, what did you change the front fork to?
@@jockjdavis7209 yes I ... Change the front force to a mountain bike air suspension fork from Amazon..I no longer bottom out on simple bumps in the road & enjoy soft spungy ride
It almost seems like advancements in ebikes are progressing faster than in EVs!
Can't wait for autopilot on my ebike 🤣
You can praise enthusiasts of the ones looking to progress the tech in just a couple short years.
This is the future here now. We need true long range ebike. I would like to see a step thru commuter e bike with rear rack to place two big pannier bags. 26 inch wheels, front & rear suspension. low step thru with about 11 inch clearance to step thru and to be able to handle weight, at least 450 lbs. Like the lectric xpedition. I would certainly consider one of those. In the meantime I've made my own. 🙂 73 AH battery. Some of the parts purchased from Area 13. Thanks for the Great Video!
Would you make a video ? Just show the bike and how its put together.Please, im impressed with the claimed 73ah
I have had this bike for 4 months. Motor went bad after 49 miles. Found out many had the same motor problem. Aniioki sent a new motor and so far so good (Doubt it will last long). The range is 70 to 80 miles for me no pedaling without pushing the battery to low. There are a number of issues with this bike. Be sure to check all the screws to make sure they are tight. Check the rear brake. My rear brake and my friend's (He has the same bike) had spacers that had only 1/3 of the pads engaging the rotor (Dangerous).
That's awesome!!! I called you guys earlier today and was talking to Blake about some ideas for extending my range and he referred me to this video. He was incredibly helpful and easy to discuss technical topics with. For this bike, I like the range, headlight and turn signals and the cruise control is a great idea. Thanks again Blake!
great price & milage. Yes the battery is heavy but the milage you get compared to other bikes. Other bikes you have to be carrying a second battery & now you are up around the same weight
The EAhora Juliet uses the same battery. I like that style better. Big batteries are the future of ebikes. I'm just waiting for a better quality bike that can go 40mph on "off road" mode. I'd love to see a dual motor with 52v and 60ah.
Dual motor is more work, more hassle to work with.
My biggest stopping point for that bike is the battery is not UL certified or even listed. That's alot of batteries to go up in flame if it does.
That's a very valid point. Lots of energy in there.
It is UL certified Google it.
Well I'm surprised and at that price it would do very well in the UK.
It's a real game changer bike, it means no more running out of battery when you need to go on longer trips, it's not only a city bike it's a country side bike.
Unfortunately such bikes in the UK would be classed as mopeds which means they probably wouldn't be able to sell them at that price in the UK and would have to under go a lot more testing which costs a lot more money which in turn would mean they would end up costing a lot more money to the consumer.
So though it's a great bike the laws in the UK would be prohibitive.
And there you have folks there are great cheap bikes with lots of power and range, but govt keeps them on the banned lists.
So much for UK govt wanting us to go low carbon.
I'd like to have it. My current bike I ordered the largest battery available for it a 48v 30ah I also ordered a second like battery for longer rides.
Wow, Blake. Great job. Kyle, it is really nice to see you and speaking so well now. I think it is amazing this bike will go so far. Cool.
I love mine but mines a little different then the one you tested. I have the same bike but my battery is the 52v 60ah. I love the fact of being able to go for a ride and not worry if I'm going to run out of juice. Thanks for the video.
Pretty amazing price, wonder if it's just a matter of the company going for reasonable profit and not over charging. My main concern would be the quality of the cells and build of the battery pack.
My question is if I buy the 45 amp hour bike at 1499 and decide I want to upgrade and get a second battery that's a 60 amp hour will it fit
What I'd like to see is infrastructure Like Taiwan has. They have hot swap stations, all around the island, There's like hundreds of stations to swap your batteries for fresh ones. So within a minute or two your on your way with fresh batteries.
Perfect!
I love idea of that much range. I'd prefer a 52v battery, but the range at class 2 speed is what's more important. Great job on the review gentlemen!
They have a 52v version
I mean if it had an option for a front rack i would order one today. Moped style with a actual bike seat for hopefully ok pedaling and dual spring rear suspension. Sign me up if they add a front rack option
The less time you have to charge it and do several commutes the longer the life of the battery especially if you charge it to 70 to 80% and don’t let it go below 20%
Wow that’s impressive range. My e-bikes won’t go that far.
Hey Kyle. Hope all is going well, considering. The Aniioki AQ177 Pro Max with the 48V/60AH battery is listed for 1699.00 on their web page. For 1499.00 you get the 48V/45AH battery.
Great video guys. That is amazing mileage for the cost of the bike. Would make a great commuter or delivery bike for intown riding. Hydraulic brake & rotor upgrade should be first priority.
Hey 👋 I just bought my 52v aq177, it was working fine, now it’s showing code30, do you have any input ?
Love the video , I was contemplating buying one of these but at that time they had a funky seat that you couldn't change out so bought a Wired freedom and added another battery .
Have you tried any long 10 to 20 mile paved up mountain climbs? How has the Wired Freedom performed going up a 4000 ft vertical climb. Does the hub motor without a torque sensor lose speed on a long 15 mi 4000 ft climb? How is the battery range lowered by such a climb. I am very interested in the Freedom or cruiser step thru version. But have never seen any video or review showing such long steep climbs. Everything I find is about max speed 40mph on flats or short 1 mi climbs.
Will company tell you brand of cells? I bought a bike with Yiklik chinese cells and was good for 1 year but then battery quality and range dropped dramatically. Chinese cells dont have the chemistry to last a long time as the brand name cells. You may have to buy another battery sooner than you expected.
If the battery size is proprietary to that brand it may be a problem in the future when rebuilding or replacing. Keeping within standardized sizes is the safest way to go.
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I don't like those tiny tires. Is the small radius to save money?
This bike is actually very efficient despite its weight. I've ridden an electric scooter from full to empty that's 72v 35ah, so that's 2520Wh, about 87.5% the capacity of this bike, their curb weights are nearly identical. I got 86.3km, so around 54 miles. So getting 100 miles on this bike is very impressive. I think it could be that this bike is relatively lower powered, and the rider was going slow, and I'm probably heavier than the rider too. Never the less, it's a really nice and efficient machine.
Where did he start from
Heck ya like it❤
Needed out the box mods for me doing mostly street riding with some groomed dirt paths:
1). Install street tires for a smoother ride, less roll resistance, and even more miles.
2). Rear view mirrors.
3). Bigger rotors
4). Make a small easy removable clear chest windscreen for road protection and even less resistance. (Product Idea that does not exist- anyone?)
Love ya and hope you're health gets better , you are the best e bike channel ever and a good person to be able to trust . God bless you.
My concern is the quality of the battery. Who makes the cells? Please give your opinion as to how this battery stacks up against top quality cells such as Samsung. Is this a cheap battery to keep the price down that won't last?
Does it come with a U/L certified battery?
I like it!
For that price, I would expect to be buying a battery with the bike as a bonus! Is it overkill? Depends on your needs. I did a group ride with gas mopeds, and the requirement was "at least 30mph for at lest 60 miles", and this would have been great for that, if it has the speed. What I usually find though, is the extra weight is a burden. I use the modular approach and have 5 batteries of varying weight and capacity, and although I can run with four batteries at the same time (73.3Ah!), the weight just makes it feel like a pig. When I did the ride mentioned above, I used 3 batteries to keep weight down, and the 53.3Ah was enough for the whole trip. For slow group rides though, I'll use a single 20Ah battery for the 15 mile trip, and finish with it at 98%.
I'd love to see a review of a bigger person do a range test. All of these e-bikes tout long range and as someone more along the 240lbs weight, I NEVER see that one any bike I've ever owned. Maybe I need to reach out to them and try to do a video on it. Not sure if anyone other than me even cares about that though haha.
*Should checked tires! Other videos all had issues with tires being out balance bad* easy fix, you should check any bike when planning any trip
I would like to see more information about the controller and how different settings affect the AQ177 handling and display info. Instruction manual is not very detailed or accurate.
Great video, as always, but more impressive how you look 10 years younger now!
I want one. I'd love to have that range.
My biggest concerns would be tires, brakes, battery. I wouldn't do a range test without being confident in how I'd come back if it doesn't get me all the way back. A flat tire would be worse to deal with, since I cannot pedal with that. Are there high puncture / low roll resistant tires for this?
I did 37 miles last week on my Lectric 3.0. My butt was dead around 30.
I had that with my Ecotric. If I stayed mostly pas 4 17.5-19 mph I can go 26-30 miles that’s with pedaling but not much effort. That wasn’t enough for me so I added a 20 AH rear rack type battery. That gives me 45-53 miles. So I made my entry level 36v 26” fat tire bike into a long range now. No fancy electronics , just an on off on toggle to go from one bat to another.
I thought you were saying Annie Oakley, 🤣. I love the battery capacity, but wish it were smaller. Maybe in the future.
Love to have that when I’m going to my nieces in South Fl. What kind of carrier for 2 bikes would I need?🚴♂️🚴
It's heavy, I'd suggest a motorcycle rack.
Do you know if these are using 21700 or 18650 battery cells? My biggest concern with this bike is that the battery might be inferior and will cost a lot to replace if battery breaks down prematurely.
And burns your house down.
pouch cells or prismatic. you can't fit 60ah of cylindrical into that weight and size.
I like it. I am 73 years old. I’d buy one right now if I had the money.
Hey Blake!!,from Blake!! excellent job on battery range testing!!.
You should check out the gt20 e-bike
Maybe you already mentioned it, but how much does he weigh?
Cool ride!
I now have 64 amp hours of battery, for my full suspension Lancer. And I’m gonna do 100 mile trip with no throttle and only peddling and using the different pedal assist. But there’s only 350 feet of elevation in this whole trip. So I should make it pretty easy.
I’m going to definitely look into getting one of these bikes it would definitely fit my needs. Thank you for an awesome video.
Seems like a winner! I love the range and the power! 20" wheels perfect of seniors such as myself.
I like e-bikes that are not only for practical daily riding (recreational to fitness)but also to deal with carrying cargo. I have yet to see someone develop a FOLDING e-cargo bike with a mid drive with at least 750 watt motor (mid drives are more efficient on battery consumption as well as better climbing ability) and has the potential of a dual battery set up. :).
that might have been an early model inertube and valve isue that nedes to be fixed with an up to date vakves and rims
Looking to buy a E bike. Still have not decided yet. Doing research on different bikes.
I would call this an electric moped , not an e- bike. This is more appropriate for folks who NEED the extra range, as the battery only lasts about 3 to 4 years and costs more than $850.
I own one, can't recommend. Maybe I got a lemon, but I didn't get the distance. Motor is making weird noises. Warning motor needs to be checked and greased right out of the box, maybe why weird noises now since I didn't check right out of box and just rode it 100mile. Tires multiple flats right away until I upgraded tires (rides way better with new tires). Rear tire major pain to get off, chain and brake need to be removed to get off tire. Cruise control nice, but flakey, sometimes 1min before engaging, few times engaged after a little boost in parking lot and had to hit brake quickly. 26amp draw full power. lvl 3 pulls about 12amp at 19mph, best speed for distance/time in my opinion. At 300 miles now, will ride till it dies and get something better. Does ride nice though, but front shocks are crap.
If this bike had a regular cruise control setup it would be awesome.
Yes, I believe most bikes, you are paying for only the looks not to performance for example the super 73rx
Best value right now is the Wildeway X7, 400 watt motor and a 48 volt 20 amp hour battery with a top speed of 21 miles per hour. Only $519 with free shipping and no tax!
Not an overkill at all.
Those 11Ah, 15Ah, 20Ah are toys. This 60Ah is finally something useful.
When I ride within my town I can go with simple "muscle" bike, don't even need an electric.
I need an electric to regularly visit my sister in the next town, some 40 miles away.
And I need enough juice to get back home in the afternoon.
So, the 48V 60Ah is Just Right.
No sense in overkilling it, glad to see Blake out in your stead. Stay safe and able to do more!
That being said, this is exactly the kind of bike with the perfect size battery... Unsure about that weight but, the longevity is exactly what I'm looking for. For $2k I can see you bringing out an F-35 bike with 24" wheels, step thru, this battery, 4" tires, 180mm rotars with hydraulic brakes, as well as that fancy light kit and a security system and rear rack/fender kit with better shocks... In a sweet red white and blue paint job...😉
I bought my mom a lectric xp 3.0,
Talk about buyers remorse, omg this 3.0 has been the worst purchase over a 1000$ on anything I ever bought in my life, I had a 500$ swagtron eb5 pro, that was faster, better range, I got low range model, but I've had to replace the wire harness, replaced the controller, now I got replace the recalled brakes, got replace the recalled front rim, I had do all this work on my own, iam devastated, I feel like I got robbed, and lectric will only replace each piece as it breaks, the bike was shutting off completely every time I hit a bump,
It wouldn't go over 15 mph, I thought it was fixed with new harness, but it just shut off for no reason other day, the brakes are the worst junk I've ever seen, the front cable or something snapped yesterday, rendering the front brake totally broken, glad my mom wasn't on it, now I got replace the brakes with hydraulic that lectric sent me after months long wait, I got more time working on bike than riding it,
Now got replace front rim bearings are defective, recalled,
It only gets 12 miles range if iam lucky, I want sell it but would not feel comfortable selling it and have someone come back mad at me,
I asked lectric send me new bike they refused, the lady actually had nerve telling me I should expect to have to put some work into something that's electrical, I've replace almost whole bike and still have issues with it shutting off for no reason, it is very slow, slower than my old 350 watt swagtron eb5 pro, I just can't believe lectric put out such a piece off junk, I feel like I got robbed!!
Definitely stay away from them!!!
25 wh/mile or so; not bad considering the conditions.
I know it is dead weight, but why not a slave 3rd wheel behind the rear wheel to do the pedeling in a hub gear. 200 miles FTW?
Dang! The battery is worth $1,200 to my calculations. Now if it had a 28 ish amp controller and peak watts of say 1,400 or so, get torque up to 95 Nm, that would be a nice 30 mph long range bike.
Guy testing bike looks like John Malkovich
These batteries should be standard to keep you exploring more and enjoying your ride through nature.
Sounds like it is priced very well for what you get
I was one of the first people in the United States to own this bike. It's range is magnificent. Great review.
I don't have a license so I ride my e-bikes and use it as if the car it would be awesome to have a 60 amp hour battery or even 2. 30 amp hour batteries my average daily commute is 35 to 45 miles. The bike I ride has a 20 amp hour battery I get about 30 miles per charge but I also have a fast charger that recharges battery in an hour and a half pretty much works out where I go to where I need to go charge the bike go back home charge the bike again 4 the next day
I watch most of your videos little brother but I don't know much about your health. Will a full recovery be coming soon?😢
Recovery is very slow, what and when are both unknown.
@@Area13ebikes I'm sorry.
like to see it on more bikes
I was waiting for a review like this for a while now. I really like these bikes (this one and the A8 also). Somehow this company managed to put a decent price tag with quality key components and pick an unimpressively unmemorizable name. I'd say that's still fine.
More for us :D
But yeah I'd like more people to stop thinking $1900 is good for a 15Ah "long range" battery.
This is just right
That's great for bike touring.
I want the 52 volt version.
That's a pretty hairy ride around Lake Tahoe to be testing an e-bike on. There is no bike lane on the east side to speak of and traffic flies along the one lane each way parts. Then you hit the residential on the Westside and everybody wants to pull out in front of you. Live up that area and I used to ride my motorcycle around the lake every now and then and I would not do it on an e-bike, any bicycle for that matter. The chances of someone hitting you from behind are pretty high on a bicycle. If you're going to do it, do it in the morning, during the week and especially not during the tourist summer months. LOL. You could do it during the middle of the night but then you might centerpunch a bear.
The bike is not going to win any beauty contest. But the price is good, the weight rating is good enough for a decent cargo bike I would think. But with what they are rating the distance at, I could commute a140 miles to work an 8 hour job and should be able to commute back to where I live which would take me around 2hrs to drive at 75mph. I would say for a normal commute, or to run to town to get grocery's with a trailer behind the bike it would still be a bit over kill as that would be a 10 mile round trip for me. If I was to use it for my part time delivery job, then I would say it would probably be about right for a bike and trailer combo. As I can cover a hundred miles a day, just delivering food to people with my part time job. And that bike would let me do that with no problems, so yeah I would say it is just right.
I disagree about its looks. That’s what drew me too it it didn’t have the T looking handle bars that look like a po go stick, but cool BMX ish handle bars. Also the smooth integrated metal that’s the rear rack/seat looks really cool. IMO It looks futuristic
I wish I could get a battery like this for my Juiced RipRacer,...
Pretty cool test. Impressive range.
This bike is not offered on your site as of July 2024. Was it ultimately not a reliable option?
We never were a dealer for them.
For that price you need to tear apart the battery to see exactly what cells are in it and the construction/ fuses etc.
I agree
pouch cells or prismatic. you can't fit 60ah of cylindrical into that weight and size.
Hey Kyle...do you think any of the newer battery tech for Ev's will transfer to EBikes and result in lighter and smaller high capacity batteries? I will say overall if you're looking for that style if Ebike its pretty sweet for the price and uf you can not difficult to upgrade frt suspension, maybe the brakes and I'd see if swappingvtge z Display for one brighter though that could be a Stretch.
Yes they always do in time. A lot of things happening right now.
Pretty soon we wont need cars with range this long lol
The battery alone should be about 1200.00. How are they doing it?
the normal msrp is 2k.
@@rydoggo I know. It probably cost about 1500.00 in parts then labor is? Shipping, support etc. They aren't making much off them.
@@mr.monitor. they already charge 150 separate for shipping. The entire derailleur assembly is like 25 bucks, the brakes if bought in bulk is probably 40 per bike. Tires+tubes like 30. Controller motor combo is like 300-350 to buy as a consumer, likely cheaper in bulk. The only question to me is frame and battery cost. But yeah they likely aren't making much off these bikes at current prices if anything at all.
Right,right
Great video but what was the weight of the rider and the gear? Would my 260# lard ass get that kinda mileage? LOL
i am looking at a 30 minute commute at 55 mph. would love an ebike able to go for a few hours at road speed i wouldnt need to buy a 15k motorcycle then
Actually the one that is on sale for that price is a 45 amp hour battery not the 60
Wow, that's a big battery! I have 2 17 watt hour 52 volt batteries plus carry my RYOBI batteries and a inverter to charge the bike batteries, I think I have about a 45 mile range pedaling and going fairly fast.
why not make battery size an option and offer several different sizes that are washable depending on task at hand for each ride
Generic battery? Is the charger well made? Thanks. The range is great for sure
Big 8 amp charger. Looks cheap but works.
Awsome video. How much does he way? Average speed? Top speed, throttle/pas 5. Thx
Looks like a fun ride! Why not take bike paths when available?
all i can say is - what a deal ! they checked all the boxes. it would be a great deal at $2000.