The wolf who died while you slept with Yennefer. (Witcher 3)
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- A curious detail in the Witcher 3, appearing in Kaer Morhen after you romance Yennefer - You can find the body of the wolf who was chasing after the deer during the romance sequence.
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Its amazing how Witcher 3 is a 2015 game and the lore is so massive you can still learn new details, wishing speedy recovery
I did still not start it, but I will. Hopefully my PC will than much stronger to play it on full visuals. :)
I will play the trilogy in the future.
When I go to college and buy a gaming pc.
Bro how are you litterally in every video I watch
@@cmbbfan78 old gen would run all ultra(without hairworks) in 50 FPS on my 1060 so it shouldn't be a big problem
Explains how I completed it 10 times.
The bridge seems similar to the one in White Orchad, the one which Yennefer destroys with a spell while escapping the wild hunt.
but that one looked deeper this one isnt that deep
It's not that bridge, the mountains of Kaer Morhen are clearly in the back. It seems that a bridge was meant to be in that valley but didn't make it into the final game.
The scene must be on the same map to avoid looong loading. So scene is somewhere outside of explorable map (behind invidible walls).
@@TheNovakon It's a pre-rendered cutscene (even in the next gen update), so that doesn't apply in this case.
So cd projekt recycled the place, I hope they didn't learn that from ubisoft.
So basically what you are revealing here is that Geralt and Yennefer were responsible of a Wolf's death that turned into a very small dog eventually? Truly the best fantasy game ever
Where do you think small dogs came from? How did a proud wolf turn into a constantly trembling chihuahua? Magic, there is no other explanation.
That’s the second time things have fallen down a broken bridge while Yen was involved
Good point!
Actually three times, because if i remember the books correctly, There was a bridge that fell Down under Geralt, Yen, Yarpen Zigrin, Eyck of Denesle, etc. In Caingorn on the hunt for the golden dragon, turning out to be Borch at the end. Correct me if i'm wrong.
@@TheSceptere lol that’s true I didn’t remember that, and it actually included Yen falling that time
I bet 20 years from now my children will watch xLetalis discovering new secrets and details in TW3, because this stuff never ends. Great job and keep going!
My *grandkids* are about the right age to play the Witcher series now, and my kids already played it. It's a weird thought lol.
Being as it plays at the same time, I read it in exactly the same way as you - that the "wolf" who breaks from the pack and closes with the deer, was meant to be Geralt (as he is from the school of the Wolf and is called "Wolf" by Vesimir) and that the deer was meant to be Yen as Geralt chases after her "Hart" - Hart being an old fashioned name for a deer and being a homonym in English for heart. (a homonym is a word that's spelled differently but sounds the same when spoken - like their, there and they're)
So I'm not so sure that the dog/wolf in the ravine, has the same significance as the cut scene.
you're thinking of homophone, not homonym. But I agree
Homophone*, my boy! But I like the idea
I interpret it the same except the end where the wolf dies is yen leaving geralt heart broken. Even tho in the dlc they end up living happily together if you chose to go that route
I read it a bit differently.
3 wolves in a pack chasing a deer are 3 young Wolf school witchers chasing after beautiful sorceresses. Geralt was the one not care about the dangers and keep pursuing and eventually lead to his death by the pitchfolk.
@@meganesenpai Except death by pitchfolk had nothing to do with Yen. And I'd hardly describe Yen as a helpless deer being pursued by wolves....
Personally I always interpreted the wolf scene as an allegory for the sex act between them, and the wolf jumping to me actually caught the deer as a climax. I don't know what to think about the chasing interpretation, because it felt like it wasn't only geralt who chased Yenn, but Yenn also chased him sometimes when he had enough of her attitude. Since it's a dog, not sure if it is that wolf. But in that note the dead wolf (if it is really supposed to be the wolf in the cinematic) could be an image of Geralt's and Yenn's original death in the books, as Yenn also died trying to save geralt during the rivian pogrom. (I admit it's a bit of a stretch there though)
In some cultures/languages, the male climax (or the feeling right after ejaculating) is dubbed "the little death". Maybe CDPR is having a little joke here??
i always suspected this was the "wolf/dog" from the cutscene, but the lack of the bridge above the ravine confused me - especially since cdpr have such attention to detail
indeed
@@xLetalis I think they wanted to highlight that it was sort of a dream or an imagination thats why the bridge is missing or it symbolises that there was actually no chance for saving the love they felt and geralt trying to save the love has to have some hope, so in his mind he is trying to convince himself that there is a (collapsed) bridge connecting them. The same logic applies for the dog which thinks it is a wolf.
PS: I would like to explain it better but my level of english does not let me :\\
But i think i might've overcomplicated it
@@dzizas9534 Probably because in the end things can work out for them, and that's arguably what's meant to be canon by the books. I'd say the wolf dying chasing the deer is less a symbol of their love overall and maybe a reference to the ending of the books where they "died" and I guess you could say that's in some part due to geralt chasing her?
@@xLetalis Okay, this is a big stretch but hear me out... Eredin is willing to chase Ciri until he dies, she's way more capable in *jumping* through worlds but he's not giving up, he's the head of the *wild hunt*, he dies after losing two of his generals and the scene actually kinda reminds me the ending of white orchid,
Geralt chasing Yen makes less sense to me bc
1. Bloodlust? Idk man, they were both in love afterall, just unable to deal with their own abnormalities and being stubborn (two donkeys would be a better fit imho)
2. In the books there is no real chase going on, Geralt is trying small gestures sometimes and Yen is trying to help him without him noticing, a lot of arguments but not much "you're gonna be mine!!" attitude
3. There are 3 wolves and as far as I know niether Eskel nor Lambert were chasing Yen together with Geralt...
But then why is this showing up when they get together you ask? Well both of them were constantly seeing prophecies about Ciri's future, them getting together sounds like a pretty good occasion for a prophetic combo like this. And why is there a dog instead of a wolf? Idk, but Sapkowski described Eredin as a narcissistic dumbo, who tried to force Ciri into obiedience and got his ass kicked by her when she was just 14yo, to me it's like saying "Eredin is no wolf, just a rabid dog and there was no chance in hell of him capturing elder blood" (hence in reality the gap to jump is way bigger and there isn't even a ruined bridge for him to step on)
But granted, my opinion is heavily relying on books, cdpr made this relationship look more like the early novels rather than continuation of the story of Yen dying trying to bring Geralt back to life so I guess your idea might be more accurate, or cdpr just wanted to paint the picture of how wild that s@x was and put the dog in there for the laughs knowing that there will be a bunch of dumbos like me writing a dissertation on the whole thing 😂
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I know everyone is saying it but wow, a game from 8 years ago and a channel fully dedicated to finding everything still hasn't done it all. This game is truly incredible! Possibly the best? Definitely in its genre. Love your videos
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@@xLetalis hey xLetalis, sorry to choose your reply to ask you this. But I just finished Lady of the Lake and was reflecting on something you mentioned in a previous video - that fringilla blinded yennerfer at the Battle of Sodden Hill. In what book is that discussed because I have not seen a single thing regarding that? Honestly, I can never get clarification about the details of Sodden Hill in the books just like how Yennefer turning into a statuette was never really discussed during the Thaenedd part.
@@connorreyes8063 Gosh I can't recall where exactly it was mentioned but I'm 90% certain it's in an earlier book, BoF or TotS I think
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@@xLetalis ok, thanks anyway. I’ll look it up.
Just wanted to appreciate all the effort you put into these videos....plus this game officially has infinite details!
Happy you're back at it and omg, the details CDPR put in this game are out of this world. 😮
I always liked that weird scene where Geralt and Yen are doing it while there's a hunt is going on outside, so this is a pretty neat detail for me
1:43 Our dear darling bump in the road
I have always thought the cutting scene of the chase was one of two things. One, a nice break from all the typical sex scenes Geralt is involved in or two, just a build up of tension perhaps reflecting the long chase and many obstacles Geralt and Yen had to go through to finally realize they really do love each other.
I stumbled upon that body myself last time I played, kinda seems it was added with the whole next gen thing cause I never seen it before and I 100% the game multiple times. Would remember it cause i passed that road to the mine every time. The dog is a default model of a dead body all the way from witcher 1, 90% of any dead dogs you find will look exactly like that, this one is the only one scaled down though and that's a mystery.
When the Geralt thinks he a white feral wolf when in truth he just a tiny pupper in bed.
I was just thinking that I haven't watched your videos in a while and you immediately posted a new one.
Wow thanks. I was a part of making Kaer Morhen environment map. I think the ID of the model was wrong. We label everything in game in term of ID, I think that either we put the wrong ID in wrong location or simply we forgot to patch the model 😂. Not sure this can be fixed because we are no longer there. But the next game will be fixed.
Any idea on why the model would be scaled down? Or is there a small dog model?
Hello there
@@saturnjct it’s not a model scale down.
I think it is a different one. There are many models that I cannot remember all since it’s 10 years ago and I was an intern back then. Back to the clip. I think the reason why the cut scene looks different from the real map mainly because the cutscene was rendered with the original Kaer Morhen. Same thing with White Orchard. They speed up the production in the last few months, and most of them are done by contractors whom no longer with CDPR anymore, hence I think there are still continuity issues till this day with no fix available.
geralt's comment on that wolf says it all , even though everybody (including me ) loves yen and wants them to be together , but you got to admit yen is not exactly a nice partner to be with every single day , so geralt's buddies are not so thrilled about the idea of them be together , but geralt knows that , and he wants to be with yen anyway , the comment on that wolf is him telling us he knows what he put himself into and he is willing to take the risk because the temptation is too strong .
Lol, what? I hate Yennifer. Abusive, cocky, annoying hoe. (Looks like a good mother btw but we are talking about relationship with her, not being her child.) Ciri > Triss > everbody in the game >>>> yen.
Dandelion would probably work it into a "le petit mort" joke.
Beat me to it but that was my theory before I read this.
I feel like this would be a better metaphor for Yennefer as the wolf. She has a tough exterior but inside she deeply cares about those she loves like Geralt and Ciri. (Wolf vs dog appearance) However, her methods of showing love doesn’t always go as planned nor is it easy (like initially calling Ciri ugly as a pet name even though she cared about her). In the books when the reader sees her thoughts (after last wish and sword of destiny) she always thinks about Geralt and Ciri. Even though she couldn’t speak it, it’s why she teleported away from Phillipa and the lodge of sorceresses when it was being formed and planned to use Ciri to get an advantage (which she was against)
I got feeling that this was likely at some point intended to be more than just cinematic sequence, but eventually plot-line for it was gone and no one went back to clean everything up or maybe they just forgot. Since it is easy to not link the two events, due to different location and it not being same animal. Like even if I saw that, I would never make connection due to it. Plus it does feel like someone was more playing with idea than having something solid implemented. Which is likely why it feels like it was one "to be removed" thing in the world they never came back to and remove or at least fix so it makes sense. I mean that is problem in a lot of open world games, since there is so much of everything, it is easy to forget something.
Man I think I love you more than Gearlt now , thank you for the great work
0:40 That wow reaction is exactly what every guy would say to that
Perhaps the reasoning for the corpse being a small dog instead of a large wolf is that it could be seen as a metaphor?
Geralt could be seen as the large wolf outrunning the others to catch the deer/ Yennefer, ignoring the risks and previous failures of their relationship and takes a huge gamble to reach her.
But in the end, Geralt ends up as the small dog, falling to his death in an attempt to make an impossible jump to reach Yennefer.
nice way to put it
Except, the body is not down the ravine but right on the path. So it couldn’t have been a fall
0:57 I believe this might be the reference to the first time you see the Wild Hunt when you're going to the meeting with Emhyr
My interpretation is that they're both "chasing their pleasure". The fact that there are three wolves and one dies, to me, means one of two things; 1) while they do "catch their pleasure" nothing can come of it because they're both sterile. or 2) having chosen to romance yen, the romance with triss "dies"
I love the fact that the game is explored like hell, but you still find new facts
But i've knew the fact because i was getting a piece of Wolven armor set from that forge
I always thought that that bridge is the same one Yennefer destroyed in order to escape from the wild hunt near the beggining of the game, and the wolfs represent the hunt, and the deer represent Ciri or Geralt's friends or something like that. I've never given it much thought tbh.
I made the exact same connection.
Guys in the background scenery you can clearly see the mountains of caramore and there are no mountains in wide orchard
I searched for a video of that cutscene thinking the same and found one (the video is watch?v=luZe88oCvXQ if interested) and it is certainly not the same one. The broken bridge has a signpost by it and also, the pathway is on a hill, while the wolf one is beside a hill.
I never seen that, i was romancing Triss which explains why , but i think 3 wolf means Geralt, Yennefer and Vesemir running for deer Ciri and bloodlust means their will in being a parent to her and as we know Wesemir had fallen from this race unfortunately and this scene triggered by the Yennefer romance means that 2 wolfs are in love which is the logical step to being a parent
I spelled Vesemir wrong sorry😂
Keep that wind howling, all.
"... constantly bumbs on the road"
shows Triss
*nodding*
When in the end of the video you just pass by all the characters with this music...damn, sweet memories and nostalgy breaks my heart again and again
The wolf chasing the deer and dying in the process is a metaphor for their sterility.
3:36 you’re walking on some dangerous path xLetalis, teamyen is still here 😂 great video as always
This game is a miracle. I think even the producers are surprised by the end product.
Yes, it was miracle, until the next gen version was released. Since then it has been unplayable even with top hardwares with constant fps drops from 100 to 20.
@@peterkarminas9512 I didn't play the next gen version. Can't you turn it off?
@@ozgundemir nope
3:48 probably added before the wolf's characters had made it to the game or the character was a wolf but the id shifted and noone noticed it.
Precisely why this Is my favorite trilogy. Hope you get well soon!
1:35 "there were constantly bump on the road" and triss appears on the screen xd
The end is just beautiful Letho on the bridge Lamber reading a book Keira hanging out in the garden Regis hanging out with Yennefer in the garden. OMG perfection ! LOVE IT !
The Classic! I always thought that the cutscene showed Geralt "finishing" the deed, if ya know what I mean!
The level of world building this game has is totally bonkers. Smallest of details are there if you are keen to observe.
That haircut at 1:50 is the best Geralt haircut, ngl
Good to see your videos again Xletalis they are still magnificent. "Chefs kiss"
The bridge location is the same bridge that Yen destroys when she is fleeing the Wild Hunt with Geralt on horseback. Not sure if this helps or not, but I don’t think the player can access the area.
I thought the whole scene represents Ciri being chased by the hunt. The bridge looks like the one Yennefer destroyed in the beginning of the game. Which means for me that Yen and Geralt together will somehow manage to save Ciri and destroy the hunt.
Unlike Geralt, the Wild Hunt are not referred to as wolves. They're referred to as spectres.
I dont think so! I think you were correct before...... The wolf and deer has something to do with the romance with yen and Gerald. Maybe CDPR added it later on in a patch to make that scene more important
Maybe it is symbolism. It's Geralt thinking about him as a wolf, turning out to be just a small dog.
It probably is a quest they crudely rigged up with a random dog model and a random ravine just as a proof of concept for design and storyboarding. They never improved upon that but also didn't remove it, almost as if it was completely forgotten. Doug Cockle even voiced it, so it must have gotten quite far before it was abandoned.
woahh that's such a cool little detail! i had no idea! my mind is once again blown by the devs' dedication
hear me out x,
Maybe the wolf chasing the deer is a parallel on what would happen if geralt *didn't* romance yen, in one scene he has clearly caught the "deer" in the other one it failed and ended up dying from bloodlust which could be a play on what geralt is, a monster slayer who looks like he has a bloodlust to anyone who doesn't know him, and when he dies, the strong white wolf turns into nothing but a little dog, which could be a play on what geralt is again to someone who doesn't know him, the white wolf turns out to be a loyal little lap puppy without his master yennefer the deer,
in this scenario, the little deer runs away and survives if it isnt caught by the wolf, but would be in constant danger to be captured by another wolf which is what would happen to yen without geralt, but perhaps geralt would not be able to survive or be himself without the knowledge of knowing his loved ones are alive? idk im just trying to make this make any sense.
I think the dog is a reference to Keira's line.. on Fyke Isle she says to Geralt that Yennefer treats him like a dog.
Love to hear another speculation video about upcoming games. You are the guy to listen to when it comes to it.
I'm waiting for some more information before I make another one
The wolf was but an enhanced dog. As the magic between them was broken so was his strong wolf facade.
to be honest, in half a dozen of playthroughs I've never seen this sequence
Now let’s imagine that this was made from cdpr to point in the direction that in the next Witcher game it is mentioned that Geralt died when he wasn’t in his “prime”form anymore
So he chased after yen so long was finally alone with her and died as a weaker form of himself
wolf -> a dog
CDPR when devs are insanely passionate about their game. I think they're more into fantasy stuff than futuristic stuff
I did a playthrough fairly recently, then a new video from you pops up and I want to play it again...
I wonder… a dog is a tamed/domesticated wolf. And Geralt dies at the end of the books…
Some symbolism about how falling for Yennifer changes him and in the end gets him killed?
I think my thought process needs more work. 😆
IT WILL NEVER END!!! DETAILS FRoM THE WITCHER 3 WILL NEVER END!!!!
Its a small un-important detail that dosent matter but its does blow my mind how much of these ""small""things are in the game,true dedication
Theroy:maybe they originaly wanted garelt to die in the end of the game if yen is romanced but changed for some reason and left the detail anyway
The video we see is prerendered and not an ingame cutscene. That means it's entirely possible that there is no place looking like that.
indeed
In somewhere along this quest, when you are drinking, you can discuss if there were any interesting contracts they came across recently, geralt says no, i wonder if that dialogue changes if you do this quest after blood and wine. Maybe you can look this up
Witcher 3 happened like a big bang of the Universe and it still expanding.
Maybe it's a small dog because Geralt isn't quite the ferocious wolf he thinks he is.
That detail is really surprising. For me there is a happy end for Geralt and Yennefer but I absolutly love the tension and kind of tragedy in their romance as long as it doesn't end up tragic. That's why I think that the Games are a perfect continuation of the books so we have a seemingly tragic ending but then a very deserved happy ending.
After all I don't think that this detail predict a tragedy or anything bad for Geralt and Yennefer, because at this point it all mostly work out very well for them and there is not really mutch to mess up anymore. And luckily we don't see a bad endig for them. At least not in my way of playing the Witcher which is simply becoming Geralt of Rivia xD. Also I don't see any metaphorical connections between a wolf pack that is hunting a deer and Geralt's and Yen's relationship or love. After all Geralt is notreally the "pack" type and Yen can not be compared to or symbolised with a deer, because they don't have any charakter traits in common and she is already symbolised by a crow.
I really hope that CDPR watches your videos, it would help then a lot to fix everithing that need to be fixed. As always a great video. 👍
It looks a lot like the bridge Yen blew up in the chase scene on the way to Vizima and the Wild Hunt riders go diving off of ....... Not sure it is significant but rather just reusing some assets from an earlier cut scene that isn't actually on the game map anywhere either
I’ve played this game a half dozen times and I’ve never seen that cutscene. Was it added later?
I play it again now. Not surprise it was best game and still hold high bar in quality. One of the best games ever
Thanks for your Videos. Witcher 3 and your Channel is and will be, some kind of a safe space for me🙏
Im probably remembering this wrong, but that bridge reminded me of the bridge Yen destroys at the start of the game, when Geralt and her are escaping the Wild Hunt
this game man it's 2023 and stil details are found it's nuts
Does that have some kind of deeper meaning... ?
That perhaps Yen truly is just bad for Geralt? ... that Geralt can't jump... that gravity is his ultimate enemy? ...
Always happy to see a new video from you :)
"Constantly bumps in the road..."
*shows Triss*
Well, two bumps in the road...
I don't know why but I actually never thought this chase sequence was about Geralt and Yennefer. I thought that it was in relation to Ciri being chased by the Wild Hunt.
probably its wild hunt chasing Ciri, and dying.
I see it as Geralt chasing a fleeting romance and losing himself in her becoming less of the wolf like Witcher and more of the sorceresses dog before meeting his demise
CDPR sure does know how to make to extravagant romance scenes for sure
Nice detail found
It could be that the symbolism is that the bloodlust drove the dog to completely overjudge his abilities, like imagining that of being a wolf, or of there being a bridge to jump over instead of just being a sheer cliff. Maybe something of a story parallel of someone who craves too much or can't let something go
I always thought it was in the bridge at the beginning of the game that Yen breaks with magic.
I always assumed that the wolf chase was an analogy for the hunt chasing after Ciri.
This is one of those games that I'll never uninstall. I also like that you've shown my fav mod for the game at the end with Geralt's close friends/family at corvo bianco
which mod? The only one I found only has Triss, Yen, Ciri, and Dandelion show up, not all the rest shown in the video.
@@tacticalmanatee The mod is called Multi Companion Mod Enhanced
@@sashap4876 Awesome, thank you!
Geralt and UMA about to kiss caught me WAY TF off guard
captain ballsack selling out Ciri is hilarious
Ohh, I was playing my first ever PC playthrough after going through the game multiple times on Xbox and found this body for the first time. I was so confused. Thanks for the explanation!
I just love this game, will probably play it all over again for the 100th time
Wow, I never thought about investigating this deeper :o I always thought this scene with wolves chasing the deer was so random :D Congrats on finding this! :)
The scene with the hunting wolves is clearly a reference to the books...
I just finished another playthrough of this game. It is showing it’s age a bit but damn, it’s still a benchmark in every way.
With that we conclude that, if John Wick was a gamer, he would always choose Triss.haha
Like you, I always thought it was symbolic. Never once did i think it was playing out somewhere in the world
Now that's a metaphor that takes a really weird turn.
Thanks again for the amazing video
This game is a masterpiece, I can't believe Letalis is still making content on it to this day
The bridge in the video is very likely located to the far north in Kaer Morhen - if you travel to the furtest point, approximately in a centreline of the lake you will find it uptop a ridge that is somewhat hard to traverse. I think it can be recognised on the map, but it has no road connected to it.
Best game of all time, watching your videos are always a pleasure coz it brings the nostalgic feeling, I hope you keep doing it for the next games
Traditionally in art dogs are symbolic of fidelity. May suggest something about the relationship.