$20 a Month for Heated Seats!?
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2024
- Car companies are making us pay monthly fees for stuff that should come with the car. Today we're find out how bad it's getting.
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My older Lada has a coolant subscription, every month it's about 10€ to refill the reservoir because there is a small leak
“Older Lada” implying you have at least two of them
@@gouveiarfl luckily that's not the case😅
Lol
My old pickup was the same except with oil 🙂
My good sir, your humor is on point.
"I can't make my heated seat payment this month." Should never be a phrase spoken ever.
Sounds like an excuse you would tell to your landlord
Wait until the first European dies because they’re house didn’t have heat thanks to Biden blowing up the Nordstream pipeline, and they couldn’t use the heated seats in their BMW to avoid freezing to death.
Modify and make your own heated seat
12 volt relay will set you free
Now is the time. For the return of the Quarter Slot. In your car.
Make sure to leave your doors unlocked every 1st of the month so a nice man named Sergei can come around and collect the loot. It's in the EULA.
“You wouldn’t download heated seats?”
These companies are turning us into pirates and mechanics. 😂
It's gone full-circle. In the 'you wouldn't steal a car' era, individuals pirated products from companies, taking what didn't belong to them.
Now consumers genuinely purchase products and companies retain control and ownership over them. They are effectively "downloading us". Companies be like "Look at me, I am the pirate now".
The companies hired programming nerds and thought they won. They forgot that the grease monkeys know nerds themselves.
We are going to see a rise in third party mechanic shops offering to DRM break car features, and the farming community has already started the move with their fight against John Deere.
For me, every subscription service on my car should be considered as “mean/evil”
It should be considered illegal.
If it requires maintenance to provide the service I get it. I’d prefer they just work it into the cost of the car upfront, but I get it. If it’s already hardware and they’re making you pay to activate it that’s BS
@scott8934 It's a crime. This is worse than mandatory car insurance and then car insurance companies legally being allowed to not pay. This is just a dildo to the consumer public.
the lincoln one wasent evil if you ask me.
@@TheBasher-_- America worships corporations and exploitation too much for that to ever happen there.
Most of these aren't subscriptions, they're companies holding your property hostage until you pay them.
Bump
My question is: is there an option to get the car with and without heated seats? I remember 10 years ago when I got my polo that thing alone was like 600€ extra or something. Which I did not pay thus never had heated seats. Is it like that and if you chose to not get it (like I did) still have the acces to the subscription later on? Or do you have to pay for the heated seats still and then the sub?
@@RayMorgenstern nope. Now a days every car, even economy cars, all have amenities such as heated seats, navigation, adaptive cruise control. Until we lay out feet down. They’ll start taxing them
That's what a subscription is
@@CameronCC a subscription suggests you get something extra like the OnStar thing, "pay us or we take away the thing you already paid for and own" is blackmail.
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I personally think the heated seats subscription is the most evil. It’s literally part of the car u buy and part of many other new cars
This is why I like older cars. All I had to do was grab a seat from a junk yard that had heated seats and plug it into to my already existing wiring harness. Lol
No different than the remote start on the key fob. Every bit of hardware to make it work is already there and paid for. My gmc can be started from the fob, but if I wanted to start it with the app (which has basically infinite range) I'd have to pay for the subscription, but the fob still works without it.
This used to be a luxury feature if i recall then later on they standardized it to basic trims
You know this is for the ability to be able to turn off your heated seats for an online opinion they don’t like.
Just like navigation
It's like buying a Ice-cream then paying extra for each lick
A extra lick is more ice cream I don't think that's what they mean u should pay for more of what u use
No, bud! It's like buying ice cream and then having to pay extra for eating it... 🤷♂️
If people don’t get this crap, they’ll stop doing it.
As long as it makes them money, they’ll do it. Some morons will fork up, unfortunately.
indeed, too many thick as fuck people with too much money
I'd rather drive a shit box from the 90s then have to pay monthly just to use all my engine power
ur not wrong but im exited to charge a dumb rich fuck with a BMW 2k to rewire his seat for 10 bucks of parts to a new button with no subscription drug monay
Problem is most of you Americans pay whatever the price is like a sort of flex. Moreover your regulations are out of control. This subscriptions are not even the main problem, cause with a little effort you can bypass all this crap by yourself; the main problem is your car market, that affects everybody. You should protest to ban this outrageous speculations.
Unfortunately in today's world there are plenty of people who like to show off their "status". Wearing ridiculous designer clothes and accessories, buying luxury shit they don't need just because they heard about it in a rap song. There will be plenty of idiots buying these subscriptions just to say they have it. And then rappers won't be singing about Gucci watches, but about BMW heated seats.
"You'll own nothing and be happy" is becoming the norm.
Streaming services, digital only games, anti repair devices, car subscriptions. This is a horrible time to be alive.
Right? Literally the worst time. I’d rather live in fuedalism when no one owned anything and the local Lord could just come and rape newlyweds whenever they wanted! Even being drafted into WWII and having to die or get PTSD with zero choice would be better than paying for an online game!
Streaming only replaced rental.
The subscriber doesn't want to own those movies they just want to watch them once or twice.
Digital games are also good because they're more comfortable to use.
Physical copies take up space and can get damaged.
What is not normal is the subscription based stuff.
I already bought the damn game once, I don't want to pay for ingame stuff which should be unlocked because I paid a lot of money for the game.
Car subscription accessories is an evil concept, I already bought the car. With the stuff in it.
Those things are mine, not the manufacturers.
@@nanevak And yet, many don't complain about personal property taxes on things we already own. Which, if you don't pay, puts a lien on "your" property. Don't think the private sector hasn't noticed.
Thankfully they only have two decades of electricity left, can't wait for the Sun's reset of our planet
How about stop buying the shit and they’ll get in line?
I lived in Japan and they have had a chauffeur service for decades now. You call the company (almost everyone has it on their phone because it's a large and subsidized business), they send a car with two people, one driver drives you and your car to your destination and then you pay and then the driver hops back into the company car and drives off. It's 1.5 x the rate of a normal taxi and is a godsend for going out drinking.
Props japan
It's like an uber, but for your car too
Makes a lot of sense as Japan has very strict DUI laws. You are breaking the law at .03% instead of the US .08%. That's might be one or two drinks and you can't drive. Also every single person in the car gets a DUI if the driver is over the limit.
@@BigfootUnibrowMan Yeah, Japan takes it another level by holding other occupants liable.
Might not be a bad business in other places either. In Australia, drinking is such a national pastime, public transport is still lacking in some parts of the city, and DUI is such a big problem here.
Same in S.Korea
You know something’s off when owning things and fixing your own stuff is a company’s worst nightmare.
"You will own nothing and be happy." This was all part of their plan.
No this is just capitalism
Nwo👁
who is they? this is such a weirdly conspiratorial way of framing this, it's literally just capitalism exploiting us as usual and as they have been exploiting us for the last few centuries
@@Drumblemore smooth brain talk
@@StrayEyeStudiosInc ok so you buy the car full price, then they charge you 1300$ more heated seats? How is that not capitalism and forcing us to rent (i.e. refusing to let us own) something that we paid for?
What I can't get over is the people who actually defend these practices.
Heinrich: Guys, I have unt idea, ja.
Hanz: Vee are listening, mein herr.
Heinrich: Vee shall invade Pola...er, I mean vee should sell ze dash instruments as loot boxes.
Hanz: Ach nee! You are die über GENIUS, Heinrich.
Dude I see them surprisingly often and at this point I’m not sure if they’re real people or just people hired to defend them online. Sounds ridiculous and stupid, but we’ve heard of companies doing this before.
@@obeseperson Cringy Capitalists
Eh, I don't mind it - because I'll stick to my 50-year-old car that I added heated seats to on my own. Actually, come to think of aftermarket heated seats, I wonder if people will come up with mods to bypass these systems, say for the heated seats to re-wire them directly into the car's electrical system with a manual switch instead of using the computer? Regardless of the subscription fee, just having a manual switch would be an upgrade on its own. Would surely void warranties, but would probably be something people would do the moment the warranty expires. Companies will try to stop it, but at some point even corporate-dictated US laws will protect consumers' right to modify the stuff they (supposedly) own.
The whole 'subscription' thing is so that rich bastards can claim them as business-expenses, which, on top of being an excuse for companies to raise their prices, also reduces the amount of tax they pay! That then means wage-earners end up paying an even larger percentage of the country's taxes!
I would totally look for a way to pry open those heated seats and make them work.
That's mean in the worst way possible, and isn't cheap either.
As a Texan I would use it for 2 months out of the year so i see it as a win
Its times like these where it's nice to have a 28 year old car. No company can reach in and control what i can and cant do.
As more and more companies try to gouge me for everything they can, it's making it easier for me to see what I really don't need.
This. Stop buying all this crap people!
Started looking at it that way a few weeks ago it ain’t to hard to save actually
Bruh you don’t need shit. If you want to live you only need food and water. But come on you don’t even need to live so we don’t need anything.
Exactly man, Tacoma's used to be affordable. Now only wealthier people or those willing to go into debt own the new models. Guess ill just keep my old 98 Silverado afloat as long as I can
->Buy new car that charges a subscription for remote start and heated seats❎
->Buy low mileage USED car that just has remote start and heated seats ✅
The real villains are the people who actually pay for this, and support it to be more and more of a thing as time goes on 😞
The whole 'subscription' thing is so that rich bastards can claim them as business-expenses, which, on top of being an excuse for companies to raise their prices, also reduces the amount of tax they pay! That then means wage-earners end up paying an even larger percentage of the country's taxes!
100%. NO ONE should budge on these
Yep, everybody has got to say pass.
These people are the equivalent to buying marked up prices
SIMPS!
I've refused to buy a car newer than 2010. I loved older cars for aesthetic and ease of repair/customization purposes but this shit makes me feel very vindicated in a decision I made years ago. Crazy times we live in.
I agree with you, problem is finding some financial institution to loan a car that old(2010 or older). It force us to take actions to walk outside of the system of find some workarounds to this limitation that would require to have a good/outstanding standing credit like using a personal line of credit to pay for it in full like a featured 2010 SUV($15K) and pay it back in installments with low interest in a short period of time.
the moment I see some shit like this, I'd walk out of the dealership. That is a 100% dealbreaker that would keep me from going back to the dealership EVER.
This is absolute madness. One step closer to never owning anything.
People are pathetic. Paying monthly to play a game or have features on your car is for suckers.
Eternal renting so the companies keep getting richer as we get poorer.
The galatian was invented because there is not much difference between narcissism, sociopath and psychopath. But today we arrest predatory lenders, ponzi schemes and scalping.
they are just giving me more reasons to keep my 2005 corolla
Hell yeah
...and my $4,200 1996 Lincoln Town Car.
Its 2006 T avensis for me bc im eurotrash…
@@aleksandrormouszz7264 If you think you're eurotrash, you're not eurotrash.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL I have the fastest diesel version….with 2 catalitic converters both still on… i guess Im not eurotrash…. YEAH
The Car Swap thing is kind of useful, since the buyer can try out multiple models and then choose the one they like the most to buy.
Yup, not the most egregious thing presented in the video and things like hire-purchase and long term rentals have been around for ages. Except with this you aren't renting a single car, but rather a selection of cars to choose from.
So this is why they are lobbying to make it illegal to work on your car.
I once jokingly referred to them as "seated heats" when I worked at a Hyundai dealership and now I can't say it right anymore. Most people don't even notice either.
I was talking to a friend a while back about my concerns over my "geight wain".
Now, we say I've got my geight wain under control. 😂
The trap of saying something ironically one time and then finding that you are no longer saying it ironically anymore. I called them glizzies one goddamn time!
My grandmother used to say “more better” when she was alive, my dad and I would jokingly say it in her accent but now we both say it and can’t get it out of our vocabulary. I say it at work and people look at me like I’m a moron
I like that more honestly
Spoonerisms are fun
I’d light my car on fire before paying a monthly fee for heated seats. 😂 🔥
I'd go down to O'Reilly, buy a $3 paddle switch and rewire it. 😂
The hardware is all there, i'm betting someone has a workaround.
@@DiustheZ definitely!
I would too, but due to trying to hot-wire the heated seats direct to the 12v system.
Same, but I'm in Australia and I turn it on once every few months when I have a sore back. 🤣
I would make a big distinction between the ones that actually cost the manufacturer money and the ones that just hold your hardware hostage.
Anything with connectivity, such as internet in your car, Netflix/Spotify makes sense to me.
For that reason, something like heated seats seems madness to me, but iirc the "full self driving" uses internet services to work and keep up to date, which I find not nearly as bad tbh.
I'm surprised the 300/year supercruise was not mentioned. But the reason I understand they charge for it is due to an outside company actually mapping the roads that it works on, and they're continuously updating it
This video increased my blood pressure so much more than I expected.
😂😂😂😂😂
The whole concept of things on a subscription is reaching its limits!
It's well past that!
These companies need to start starving.
Make laws.
@@Jake-Day The problem with that is that government will always overreach, don't rely on government to fix problems because they normally create more than they fix.
Your life is a subscription man, it never ends
I can confirm, as a recent gr86 purchaser, remote start is a subscription even if your key is capable of it
So it is just for the actual key? I though it would include a smartphone app like Tesla. Yeah, that's messed up.
I think some of these subscriptions are fine, in particular the Toyota remote connect and GM OnStar, because they're services that do cost the companies money. The Toyota fee covers the cellular service and data to connect the car to the internet and start/lock/monitor with a phone app. Without the subscription the fob and remote start still works but only the traditional radio remote fob like a normal car. Also, with Toyoya you get their version of OnStar where you press the button and talk to a live person, who obviously gets paid. Sounds fair to me. However, as an owner of two Toyotas with it, I think it's stupid and won't be subscribing once the trial period ends.
On my in-laws Toyota, without the subscription the key fob remote start doesn’t work either.
We all need to go to these dealers looking like we want to buy a car and then walk out when they raise the subscription issue.
I love doing this
Considering I added heated seats to my 96 for less than 40$ I find this hilarious 😂
Exactly!
Bought an aftermarket radio for 50$ which includes apple carplay. No subscription needed
@@iCrazy414 dang bro I guess you missed the episode on cheap vs quality stereos lol I give your 50$ double din another 2 weeks at most before it takes a 💩
@@user-mh9kw4tu9w been 2 years since installing 😎 still running like champ. Honestly, I don’t care if it craps out vs my BMW radio which takes 1300$ to replace 🥶
The OnStar one makes sense to me because you're paying for access to a cellular network which is required for the feature to work as well as the people who run the service, although I'm not sure how this feature is still relevant in 2023 when pretty much everyone has a cell phone. Same thing with the chauffeur; after all, that person has to be paid for their time. But things like heated seats are literally just paywalling the enablement of hardware that is sitting in the car already, thus making the ongoing cost to the manufacturer literally $0. That's just ridiculous and thus anything they are paid for these "services" is 100% profit.
The BMW "$300 for 20 years" actually makes alot of sense if you think about it from BMWs perspective. You are paying them $300 for a service for a car which, like you said, you probably wont own for 20 years. It tricks the consumer into thinking theyre getting a great deal when in reality they probably arent
I saw OnStar come up and as someone who worked for one of the call centers for 3 years I was very upset at their guesses. I'm also never owning a GM vehicle. Shoutout to the lady at the Detroit call center who when receiving my transfer immediately started asking me increasingly sexual questions. Also one to the lady who was smoking Marlboros, drinking Faygo and eating pizza wanting me to turn on her Acadia so she could drive it to the police station to have them break open the windows and unlock the door from the inside switch so she could get out of her car.
Truly the wild fucking west of automotive assistance.
As OnStar is an ongoing service that requires data plans and actual human workers to provide, it makes sense for that to cost something, unlike the heated seats and extra power that are already there - I see that as kind of a different thing and far more justified. It's more like a service plan than unlocking a feature.
OnStar, self driving, and the vehicle swap thing are worth a subscription. In those cases, the company needs to continue to support the service with satellite connection's, updates, or physical exchanges. Ongoing support costs money. The amount they want is more than I would pay for them, but they are worth a monthly fee. They didn't cover remote start with your cell phone, but that would also be worth a subscription. But anything that does not need continuous support from the manufacturer should never be a subscription.
But starting your car from a key fob, heated seats, and engine performance should never be a monthly fee. Those should be included with the price of the vehicle.
@@bartbartholomew My first thought was to agree on the engine performance bit, but someone pointed out that what it really is is a warranty to cover a car being pushed harder. What it could be seen as is a performance option or upgrade with warranty. Such an upgrade, if done aftermarket, would void the powertrain warranty because it increases risk of breaking it. This is the option to have the higher power and warranty, but pay for it, which actually makes sense. It makes sense for this to cost something, as the company is more likely to have to pay for repairs. Basically a question of how fast you want to go, how much you want to stress components, versus how much you want to spend on the warranty that covers said components. This doesn't exist for gasoline cars as visibly, but does indirectly - a performance car will be at greater risk of breaking, and the warranty cost more, but this is included in the purchase price which is already higher due to different hardware, so it's not obvious. This is just pushing the same hardware harder, and can be enabled via software. I'd see it as more defensible if they have the option (even if strongly discouraged) to enable it for free at your own risk, voiding the powertrain warranty, or to enable for free (with warnings that you are risking more repair costs) after the warranty expires.
@@quillmaurer6563 back when I worked data wasn't required to send directions through the CDMA turn by turn system or a destination to the GPS. IT DID however require you to have the 34.99 USD package which gave you automatic crash response, stolen vehicle assistance and finally the navigation. Unlimited data for Americans was 20 bucks while Canadians got bent like rebar at a demolition site, paying 100 bucks for 20 GB.
Navigation was sometimes on its own for legacy/grandfathered users but was unable to be transferred to newer vehicles.
I don't trust the system enough to suggest it to anybody after setting up people's vehicles with horror stories of the car rolling in the winter and OnStar not activating. Guy lost 4 fingers to frostbite and for shiggles took his key to the scrap yard after he got out of the hospital and turned it to accessory. It immediately called emergency. Too little too late.
Last I was there they were getting ready to do even more stupid plans which required insane scripting or improvisation to make a smooth sale. The user got less and paid the same.
Glad I quit that job. 3 years of my time and 10 years of my life I'll never get back.
@@quillmaurer6563 that's... Still essentially the same thing. The alleged intent doesn't matter. I don't even like evs and I'd be pissed if I bought a vehicle type that's by all accounts supposed to "sturdier" than a gas car but apparently using full power may prove "too taxing" for the vehicle and cause excessive wear.
And no. That's not how sports cars work. Unless they're designed and/or QC'd poorly, they're engineered not to be flimsy like that. Look at service intervals. In most cases they're pretty similar to their more pedestrian contemporaries. Then once you get to higher tier/upper echelon/"halo" cars, and boutique one-offs and you start to see quicker breakdown times. It's the uber expensive and the uber economy that have those issues most of the time. There are some outliers like jaguar, Aston martin, BMW. Bentley.
Cleaning the previa would make a great video for testing car detailing products
Yeah. They seem to be straying from a practical car tech review channel to a general car show.
Can’t wait for modders to get their hands on these
The sticker on my BMW listed the heated seats as a $500 item (not an option, but an item since they don't actually _do_ the subscription thing in the US). That's 28 months' worth if the $18 subscription was in play.
And those 28 months aren't consecutive either: It'll take 7 years of owning the same BMW to exceed that initial purchase price if you use the seats 4 months out of 12 in each year.
As more new cars come out I look further back in time to find a new used car to purchase
Same for me.
I've got an 01 and it's pretty perfect
Yep! or get the base model and add the aftermarket accessories you need
I got a 2021 Jeep Wrangler and power windows and locks weren't even standard. I had to upgrade to a Sport S to get that and keyless entry. Other than that, there's very little tech. A nice touch screen infotainment and that's it. No automatic headlamps, no heated seats, no adaptive cruise control. Not even an electronic disconnecting sway bar. It's perfect.
Just retrofit newer features into your own car..
This is why I prefer older rides. My '03 and '06 aren't holding me hostage for ANYTHING.
Amen.
Exactly why I drive base model 90s vehicles. 96 Mazda b2300(otherwise known as a Ford ranger), 5 speed manual. 99 Toyota Corolla ve, 5 speed manual. The Mazda has 150k miles, and the Corolla has 312k
@@iheartapple-114 my '06 Honda Element has 160k and my '03 Vitara has 130k. Still babies.
@@Bdub1952 you can expect those to last over 500k miles if you regularly maintain. My Corolla with 312k on the clock gets oil and oil filter changes every 3k miles. I also flush the gear oil in the transmission every 30k. I grease all suspension components with a grease gun every year. Same for the Mazda. I also keep good tires at all times. Neither vehicle has any issues.
Like EVs, you can run, but you cannot hide.
my 2007 impala has a monthly subscription service called 1 quart of oil
I wonder how hard these would be to hack? I might look into jailbreaking heated seats.
You can add seat heaters to anything, the kits start at like 25 bucks on eBay. They already come wired up with a relay so you need to do is wire up a power and ground and done.
Especially if the car already has heated seats, but you shouldn't have to modify a brand new car, especially with something that it already comes with
I'm not trusting a new car with $25 ebay seat heaters haha.
@@DiustheZ how much would you like your butt seared.. rare, medium or well done? 😂
If the car already has the hardware installed surely you can just do a bit of rewiring to bypass the online check, right? How hard can it be?
@@Bulju right. Nothing a 12v wire and toggle switch can't fix
I would have put almost all of these in the evil category. The least egregious is probably Onstar. It's not a good value but at least it's an on-going service so it makes sense to be a subscription
It's the only subscription that's justified imo. You don't need a vehicle hotspot for your devices
Yea on star isn’t even part of the actual car hardware, it’s just a service that is an add on, they’ve been doing it since like 2003.
Maybe Tesla's autopilot because AI training is so expensive and recurring through updates.
My 2019 CRV has a remote start keyfob. I don't think I can use my Android phone as an EKey, but on the newer models you can, but it is a subscription service. The key fob remote start still works, but to use your cell phone as a remote start or unlock/lock doors you have to pay.
As I understand it you can buy it outright with no further payments, similar to buying a car 20 years ago and having the choice of heated seats (using this example because why not) or not. My problem is if you spec a car to not have them, they fit the hard wear anyway, the extra weight costing you more in decreased fuel efficiency as all the optional extras are fitted anyway. The benefit is to 3 or 4 owners down the line they can switch them on whereas 20 years ago that was almost impossible (I found the wiring in my 82 escort for fog lights, spotlights etc, just no switch and relay, so added switch, relay and aftermarket lights and easy upgrade)
sometime owning a basic 90s car has its pros....
tho what i spend on repairs a month comes out to about the same as these plans
at least you can do your own work though
Buy a 90s Toyota then.
That's nothing compared to what it costs to fix a new car.
I'd recon if the hardware is there you could just rewire it, with a switch.
Maybe, but probably optimistic I feel.. manufacturers have tried to get as many things as possible to be switched via network bus (CAN etc), rather than simply giving it power.
Makes repairs more complex & expensive, their most treasured misery to put on their customers.
@@everyhandletaken not only would it be harder than just adding a switch, if you did they would likely void your warranty too. So you bypass the seat heater subscription then you don't have a warranty on your drivetrain anymore.
If it’s CAN controlled (which it probably is) then it might be more annoying to figure out, but may result in a cleaner “hack” install.
Never thought I'd have to jailbreak a car
@@JaredConnell magnuson moss warranty act. They can only void warranty if it’s related to work you did (like tuning your mix leading to an engine failure means they can void your motor warranty not your entire power train)
I saw this stuff coming when video games started to have microtransactions and subscriptions. This is going to be everywhere sooner or later since everything is connecting to the internet and they can limit what your things can do with the press of a button.
Many companies in the us have been aggressively transitioning into subscription based services where we no longer own anything and they have all the control
What bothers me the most is that even if you don't get the subscription you're still paying for the additional cost of that hardware when you buy the car since the cost of those features is already built into the price whether you use them or not
thats the biggest issue
The cost of the hardware is inconsequential to the price of the car and there sometimes is even savings from producing one model instead of all those custom options.
"Do you have a payment plan? I can't afford my Heated Seats this month."
This is a sentence that WILL exist in the near future. I'm so unbelievably mad about it.
Or you can just pay $415 when you buy the car and there’s no monthly fee you just have it for life. So no this sentence doesn’t ever need to exist
if you can’t afford $18 a month then you have bigger problems than heated seats
@@ryder4481 It's not that's it's not affordable, it's just plain stupid. Just buy a car with heated seats without needing a retarded subscription
I'm stoked about the previa!
Been wrestling with the idea of ordering a new car the last few weeks. Thanks for helping me make the reasonable decision to not do it.
Watching Justin clean up the Toyota could be a video in itself, I'd love to see how the hell he's going to clean all that up
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It’ll probably be a Donut Underground exclusive.
The craziest part about the heated seats subscription, they claim you’re saving money by not paying for the heated seats 😂
“You can only pay in the summer you know?”
That makes no sense. They are not installing them in the car without adding the cost to the price of the vehicle. If they put them in for free and just charged a subscription fee they would lose millions.
And extra weight in the car for no benefit so more fuel usage
Gaslighting, through and through.
They say its to sell the car cheaper but anyone with a brain knows that the price of that hardware is baked into the sticker price of the car itself even if you dont use it, so its actually not any cheaper.
If it was me Id be ripping up the wiring and bypassing the subscription software. Thats the beauty about physical hardware, company cant lock you out of it after they lose control of it
I would totally use the Lincoln assistant on demand service from time to time.
Here’s a question: if you’re paying a subscription for a car feature, and that feature fails (heated seats stop working, remote start quits working, etc…), is the manufacturer obliged to fix it? You are paying for a service, not a good, at this point, and typically in the service industry, companies are obliged to fix their services when they don’t work.
For example, the way that Apple’s contract is worded for their operating systems on Mac OS and iOS devices is that you owns a hardware, but you are licensed in the software to that particular device. This means that you do not own that copy of the software, and you cannot legally put it on, an unauthorized device (like a PC or Android). What sucks about that is it makes your hardware difficult to upgrade because you cannot transfer your license to another computer, but the benefit of that is when a bad version comes out, and Apple is obliged to fix the problems that are created by said bad version.
If the heaters in BMW’s seats fail, does BMW have to fix the heaters for free so that you can continue paying for your subscription service?
I'm imagining a coin/banknote slot in the dash. You pay each time you start the car, use aircon, or use heated seats. Then every service the technician removes the money like a laundry machine.
🤣😂🤣
Yep, it’ll have to take coins/bills because liberals will claim a certain group is unable to get a debit/credit card, let alone a drivers license so they’re all apparently driving illegally. 🤦♂️
If it was your car it could be pretty easy to access the money you put through the slot and take it out
Philip k dick wrote abt a world like this
@@carter2858 CC swiper. No cash, all digital.
@@cheshirecynic3061 That’s what i’m thinking they would do but you can still just rewire the heated seats and disable the card swiper if you know a decent auto shop
Cobb needs to find a way to get around the pay wall for these things.
People should start seeing these companies!
Maybe if the onstar feature combined with the key fobs and apps for remote start and remote settings like lock unlock and ac that not bad
Having been named Nolan my whole life, the "I thought you said no one gets the point" part really hit home. I sometimes hear Nolan when someone says no one and vice versa
"No one" and "Nolan" makes sense. But "vice versa"? Not so much.
Nolan and Zac helping Justin clean the van would have been the buddy ending that Donut watchers crave.
Considering they all ate the Paqui chip when Linus Tech was down I think they always serve punishments together.
They're a good group. 😂
Yeah, and they could’ve sprayed each other with the water hose similar to the gas station scene in Zoolander. Nothing homo about that at all. 😂
As a Toyota Owner - Its not even JUST remote start. Your satellite connection is also included in that fee. This includes making the firmware updates to your Entertainment System not automatic anymore, and you must put them on a USB to install them in the vehicle.
They give it to you for free for 2 years, then take it away to make you pay, its crazy. Some people are going to be tech savvy enough to understand what needs to be done, but a majority of people are not.
11:06 My first mall job was at a place that sold physical games: board games, chess sets and whatnot. One of the things we sold was a Monopoly edition with blank squares that allowed you to customize the properties however you like. It cost less than a Rolls.
There's gotta be some sort of bypass hack for the heated seats
A simple circuit involving a resistor and a switch would likely work just fine plugged directly into the heating elements with a power source. You would have to determine the source voltage first.
For now, but car computers are getting better and better are resisting user repairs/modifications these days.
Yes, if there is a will, there is a way
There is, and I would 100% hack everything to turn it all on without feeling one ounce of guilt. It's not illegal, because it's MY property in the first place 🤷♂
If you option for the heated seated heats which comes with the the winter package you don’t pay anything for the rest of the cars life but, if you’re let’s say you bought a bmw without a heated seat and you’re a second owner, you can pay to have it turned on, the coils are already installed in the car.
The custom monopoly board for RR based on the customers portfolio had me dying. 😭🤣 Evil bastards.
Most capitalist thing I have ever heard.
The whole 'subscription' thing is so that rich bastards can claim them as business-expenses, which, on top of being an excuse for companies to raise their prices, also reduces the amount of tax they pay! That then means wage-earners end up paying an even larger percentage of the country's taxes!
Gotta give them credit though, they clearly know their customers.
Charging a recurring fee for something somebody already bought and taking it away from them if they don't pay you is called a protection racket.
I’m curious if the tech that is already integrated, can be accessed via a type of back door in the system. But then, would that be illegal?
If you own the car you can do what ever you please with it. It's your property.
@Bill * tell that to Ferrari 😂
You can get the heated seats 'mapped' in if you know the right tuner 🙃
It's how I saved $1400 on my SeaDoo. Instead of buying the H.O. engine, which is the same motor on a different map, the service guys at the dealership offered to chip it for $75, because they knew it was BS.
Boom. Instant 30 hp upgrade from 60 to 90.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing I swear tuners are the ones keeping the car industry alive.
EA Sports getting into the car industry haha🤣
This is where hackers who are also into cars could help out a lot. Bypassing the subscription for physical hardware that you've already paid for is something i could see happening. Although I'm sure they'd void your warranty, but what's the point if you can't even use the entire car and what you paid for.
For toyota here in canada you get key remoteless start but to do it from your phone anywhere its something like 8 bucks plus other features i havent even looked at
This has gotta be the most ‘highway robbery’ thing ever! That’s like paying monthly for the carpet in your house.
Viable options for my next car:
-bmw-
-toyota-
-mercades-
-GM-
-Lincoln-
8:27 Nolan spitting facts
The porsche rental thing is kind of cool from a bucket list perspective maybe. But that's a whole car worth of money, or a downpayment on something _actually_ decent.
Go back to basics;
The Caterham Super 7.
Hypothetically though if you knew you wanted to buy a Porsche this way you could do some extensive test driving of a few different cars before you bought one
"Subscribe for +50hp
Notification bell for +100hp"
I laughed too hard at this.
I'm not giving up my 23 year old Mercury panther platform! I'm keeping it until I croak! What is most galling that I haven't heard anyone talk about yet is that you're paying for these things to be installed in the car no matter what, then to use it you have to pay to activate the thing that cost a lot to install in the car. I think we need to legislate that out of existence, but since I'm not giving up what I bought in 2013 for $3500, it doesn't really matter to me. Ultimately, people just have to refuse to buy these things, which I can't understand hasn't happened already. $80k to $100k for pickup trucks is beyond belief, but all so real.
I love these price guess games.
It's alot of fun to see the team interact like this, while finding out about these crazy prices.
Thank god this stuff doesn’t fly in Europe.
@@slowdown6311 does it actually not? Why can’t we just stop that shit here in America like none of us are gonna weep if companies aren’t allowed to wring every last dime out of us
I like how the ratings at 9:30 totally change from the one before that (8:27) :D
And the BMW apple thing just completely disappeared lmao
@@fsafatscout6804 somebodys been slacking, noticed something similar in a previous video. most likely editing nothing to do with the hosts
@@TheBigDogGames Fair enough
I noticed the Real-time Acura on the desk! My great uncle, Jerome Zimmermann (or Jerry) actually drove it. Have some pictures. I was born after he passed away, but it is so cool that you have his car on there. I’m good acquaintances with Peter Cummingham as well. Keep rockin the car :)
So, currently does Telsa or does Telsa not charge for heated seat use?
Justin was robbed on that Whispers subscription! The vehicle MSRP didn't factor into any other round!
Great video, y'all. This one was a lot of fun, albeit dystopian and anxiety inducing 😅
This is what I'm saying! 2nd time in a row that Justin has gotten robbed in these guessing games
Yes, that point should have went to Justin because he guessed closer to 0$
I mean they keep on robbing him of points!!!!
Came here to say it, poor Justin
When is Up To Speed coming back anyway?
Day 1 FOR up to speed 😂
When you give them enough money that they bring it back
Nah, they will continue to make content that gets the most clicks.
I think im done with donut... Lightning! Lightning! Lightning!
In the past 2 years they have been becoming a car channel for kids and teens. Up to speed and bumper 2 bumper was the reason I subscribed to this channel.
man, in a year of owning my car I disconnected the plug from, more often than turned on the heated sits
Remote start for my car a 2020 mazda 3 was added later. It was available to the car but till the option was loaded in the Mazda app I could not use it. Which happened about 4 months after I got the car I finally got a call from the dealership that my car was added.
I'd tap into the wiring harness and make my own controller using a raspberry pi for heated seats and remote start. I'm never going to pay to use hardware I own Already . 🤣
Don't forget the CANbus to usb dongle to tap into the cars system too..hell the head unit in my 18 civic is now a aftermarket tablet slaved to a rasberrypi 4 in my console
I was saying the same - except I'd try to use a paddle switch or a rocker.
What is crazy is they can probably sue you for tampering with your own vehicle.
@@shaymorcormick8743 just don't tell lmao
@@shaymorcormick8743 they can't, the reason why ferarri only banned people who modified their car because manufacturer can't sue people who modding their own vehicle. its same like you changing your air filter to KnN and getting sue by BMW because you don't purchase the original BMW parts.
So happy you guys got a previa. I have a lifted awd one that is my daily. Lone live the spaceship!!
They make fun of it.
A lifted AWD Previa sounds incredible lol
BlueLink (Hyundai's version of OnStar) makes sense to charge for as it does require a cellular connection, etc. But it's still pretty obnoxious.
I am not sure how I feel about DLC options. Yes, at first the idea seems to suck. But in fact, they are not charging you for the installed option at the time you purchase the car. But in fact are including the option to enable it based on subscription.
My thoughts are this. IF they offer at the time of purchase the option at added price, but also give you the option to not pay the extra price but in fact subscribe or not subscribe to it, then I think its fine. You as the consumer lose very little as you have the power to buy it at the start, or lease the function if you really want it. That is giving a choice to you.
If they do not offer to buy this option at the start for the extra money and only give you the subscription choice, then I would say its a bad thing.
Lets say you are in a area where winters are not severe. You could then choose not to take the subscription, but once in a while the weather does get really cold, so you subscribe now and then for a month here and there. Thats not bad.
If I paid for it I dang well better be able to use it without a sub fee. So silly.
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@@NarwahlGaming that one I may actually pay, cos I can’t even run slow 😂
If you use apple products you can sht the fck up
Shit like this is why I'm becoming a semi-Luddite. I've even caught myself sending people physical letters through the postal service.
I started writing letters to my aunt ever since I read an article a couple years ago about how letters are more personal and she's the oldest one of our family members, now. 😂
Physical letters are so fun! I had a blast sending physical christmas cards this year. And I went away for one summer in high school and became pen pals with a girl from my school and it was one of the best memories of my life.
I daily a 50 year old car. Stuff like this makes me have no desire for anything new.
Nice thing about On Star, you can get live directions around traffic, they can find your stolen car and disable it.
I would never buy a car if it had any kind of subscription service.
Dealers are also pushing on this too, I bought a new rav 4 and the dealer probably mentioned the auto starter/analytics app 6 times . And when I was driving off the lot , she asked if I downloaded the app.
See, I don’t mind paying for an app. The car use cell service to talk to the manufacturer servers and that’s not free. But putting things that don’t have ongoing costs behind a paywall? That’s just greedy and evil.
Apparently companies are marketing it as a “upfront lower cost option with the included additions behind a pay wall that could be access with a monthly service”… but even with that marketing jujitsu, that’s simply a slippery slope
Love this crew. And Justin has been a home run. Awesome!
My Lexus RCF had a subscription remote start. My 2022 Raptor, I was told that the navigation will not work after I think three years unless I pay subscription fees.
I would say that the power options are exceptable premiums if and only if it only applies to the warranty period and then once out of warranty a person can access all the power they want.