PR Knot Vs. FG Knot | The Results Are SHOCKING | Slow Pitch Jigging Knots | Break Test | Johnny Jigs
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- PR Knot Vs. FG Knot | The Results Are SHOCKING | Slow Pitch Jigging Knots | Break Test | Johnny Jigs
The Page Ranking Knot (PR Knot) Vs. Fine Grain Knot (FG Knot) has been a hot topic of discussion around the JohnnyJigs shop. After dropping our first video and reading your comments, we decided that we needed to settle the score once and for all. What knot is the best. We tied each knot to a single piece of leader and played tug of war until one end broke. In the end the winner was clear.
We use both of these knots in the slow pitch jigging world. The fact that they are streamline and strong makes them perfect for the smaller guides on a jigging rod. The strength of each knot makes them desirable and at the end of the day we recommend tying the one you are most comfortable with.
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I was told about the strength of the pr knot,but I did not bother and continued using Alberto or fg.
Now I managed to tie the pr using only a sinker and managed to do it.
I tried to break the line and it never failed from the knot. I was amazed and sure this is the strongest and unbreakable knot
There is simple variant on the PR knot that makes the knot to break always over 100% and almost never on the knot itself. The trick is to make the first few turns of the braid around the monofilament (min 3:30 to 3:47 in the previous video, the first part of the knot) more spaced apart (about 1/3 inch). Then come back tight as you did. Please try it and let me know if the knot is stronger that way.
Big ups to Adam for teaching me how to tie FG with rizzuto finish and a PR knot when I drove up from Miami to get two jigging setups (one accurate and the other daiwa). Super happy with service and shared knowledge.
Now you should make a video of Pete making his champion knot!
You guys need to use a 6-8 turn Rizzuto finish on your knots instead of multiple opposing overhand knots. The Rizzuto finish doesn't dig into the fluoro and allows (in this case) the FG Knot to do the work, while properly locking in the FG knot to keep it from unraveling. The way most fo overhand knots and cinches ech one down actually becomes the knot (each individually) instead of allowing the chinese finger locking system to evenly spread the pressure over the entire knot. I use a 20 turn simplified FG knot using the Rizzuto finish. It's quick and easy, even on the water and have never had a failure with it. I live in Florida and have taken multiple big fish with that knot, including giant tarpon with it. No issues!
Should I do 2 hitch knots then pulling the fg knot and then finish with the rizzuto or just straight to rizutto then pulling the fg knot?
@@escaaaaaa893 Definitely do the 2 individual opposing 1/2 hitch knots to lock it in, then do the Rizzuto finish knot on behind that and cinch that one down pretty good. Sometimes when I have the time and patience, I'll put a small drop of super glue on the Rizzuto finish knot only (not the rest of the FG or SC knot) to really lock in that Rizzuto finish knot and help keep it from slipping apart (not slipping due to the pressure, but due to constantly being thrown thru your rod guides, like throwing heavy jigs or plugs).
Yes , best results 20-24 turn FG ( IGFA)
I tie a 16 wrap FG with three half hitches and finish with a 5 wind whipping lash. I tie in a minute and have never had one fail.
Great video, any chance for a video showing how to tie the winning PR knot!
I have no allegiance to the FG knot.
I only learned it last week. So no issues learning the PR.
I don't land monster fish. I just need something that'll stay together for bass, walleye, and pike up near Sudbury, Ontario.
I just love that nobody thought of putting on gloves 😂. Good video fellas!
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
@@JohnnyJigsTV would you guys be down to try the PR knot VS the RP knot?
We could give it a go! I would put my money on the PR.
One of these days, I wanna learn both pr and fg knots. I have just used a blood knot because it's simple to tie. The blood knot is definitely not as good for tying two lines that are not close to each other in diameter. I'm old school but haven't tied a lot of rigs in years. I learned a Bimini knot years ago, I don't remember how to tie it without looking it up but yeah, I need to learn that again too. Time to go back to knot school. I think I saw some kind of tool that is supposed to help tying the FG knot, I need to look that up again as well. Sorry for rambling here in the comments, but this is really cool to me, we didn't have the internet back when I learned to tie fishing knots, we used fishing magazines, books, and old salts. Now I've become an old salt, but I like Bass Fishing 2...jimi
Adam is one of the coolest dudes there is and brings high energy to the sport. He would definitely be fun to fish with! And he did an amazing job helping me at the shop with the Saltiga purchase
I think too many wraps were used on the FG. I use 14 to 20 depending on the size braid and leader. Maybe test FG of varying number of wraps each finished the same for consistency . Then use best number of turns to test against PR….enjoyed video
The finish is the weak link in the PR knot. It would be interesting to test a bunch of different finishes. Somewhere I was that overhand knots over themselves on Braid cause a weak point.
Y’all did a good job. Ignore the whatabouter’s lol. You mixed up every practical element an FG could have and PR’s consistently came out on top. Good Job fellas 👍
Thank you!!!! Our ultimate goal is to find out the better knot. We could not get the FG to beat the PR no matter what we tried on camera and off camera. Thanks for checking out our channel.....Johnny
Thanks for sharing it would be super interesting to see if a shorter knot would break at the finishing knot as well. You can tie the pr on the boat without a tool just wrap 25 one way then 25 back. What i dont know is will it hold up to your test.
Ok the PR is supreme! Great video guys! My question is “ how much better is the PR”? Say the FG breaks at 28# and the PR at 29# (hypothetical), I will still go with the FG cause I can tie it fast and easily without any other gear. look up the video of the guy with the pinky finger tension tie of the FG!
Agreed, and not to mention, we never put that much tension on the line.
That’s exactly the difference, it usually comes out in test videos as a 2-3 lbs difference at the breaking strength of the line anyway, I did by a pr bobbin when I went to @johnnyjigstv store in pompano tho cause when I’m home I’ll use the or not but if I have to do it on the water I’ll go FG
Great video guys. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks for reaffirming the PR too!
Great job guys! I had been tying fg knots for years until Chris showed me how to tie the pr in the shop. I am still learning, but have moved all my braided outfits to pr knots (inshore and offshore) and there is no doubt the pr is far superior.
We have been fishing inshore hard (to windy for my body offshore of late), but no failures. 20 pound braid, 15 pine floro, fishing small tarpon, reds, trout, snapper and permit.
It looked like all the knot breaks are on the finish. That is what I had seen historically. Are we simply heating things up too much synching tight?
Need to lubricate better?
Great video! Bo big pine key, fl
I started using the PR a year ago when I watched the original test video, and I've had only one break. It was when I initially tested the knot with 30lb Spiderwire 8strand and a 30lb flouro leader. The line broke at 27lbs, about 12 inches from the knot. Other than that, I'm onto my 2nd season confident in my PR knots for all my braid to flouro or mono connections. I have yet to see a knot beat it in any test on CZcams.
Well there’s the triple PR knot tied up & down twice then 1 more to make 3 over wraps with GT finishing
Great video guys!! I’m terrible at tying the PR and pretty good at FG. And my sh*tty PR beats my FG every time. And my FG brakes exactly where there’s breaks every time. PR is the strongest knot overall. FG is this strongest knot without using a tool.
Agreed, Thanks Tim.
A Pr knot is better with double alternating hitches at the end finishing with a carrot knot end …..
Hi Guys, I used to use the FG knot but have since gone to a knot called the SC knot. Now this knot is far quicker and smaller to tie than both the PR and FG knots. My finished knot is usually around 5/8"" long. My version of this knot is only 10 turns of doubled braid then a single half hitch in the middle followed by a 10 turn rizuto finish. Typically I join 20 or 30lb braid to 60 or 80lb mono leader. If tied correctly the knot will be as strong as the mainline. For interests sake give it a try. CZcams has examples of this knot if you don''t know how to tie it. Cheers from OZ.
How does the Winner do 4 half hitches over the braid.
Interesting video guys. Maybe the search should be on for a new finish to the FG. Straight Rizutto finish??
Way to many wraps on the fg. 15 to 17 is better.
IGFA TESTING 24 WRAP FG FOR BEST RESULTS
Acually test proving 20+ the guy that won actually doubled the braid on the fg
Lol, 15 to 17, lol
Is there a video of Pete tying his version of PR Knott?
Not Yet
There's always going to be a thousand different opinions...for me, 20 turn fg, 1 overhand to "lock" and a 7 turn rizzuto.lubricate then serve the fg.then serve the rizzuto properly.
In my use the knot always holds but the line breaks.
Whatta you mean "serve." Google didn't know
@@jamesharper8373 it means to pull the knot tight into place.
I think that you should make a video about PR knot on green or a blue table so we can see it more professional filming , the one you make good but the angle of the camera man wasnt that clear with losing the color because of the pack ground. 😂 thanx
I’m not sure it would make a difference, but I think it would be more realistic to use heavier braid and lighter mono/ fluoro, since that would be the most common real world application. The braid broke in most of your tests, so it would be interesting to see what would happen with lighter mono/ fluoro than braid
True , 'cause if I have to break the line for x reasons i don't have to worry about losing x meters of braid . Fluoro should be the weakess point on a fisherline .
Id love to see a pr knot vs a hollow core splice
Have you used a hollow core splice for jigging?
@bringit3164 absolutely! It works great!
@joeditz48 I don't know how you do it, but I only use it about an inch and serve it. Then I continued with my PR knot. Learned this PR knot from the Japanese Deepliner guys. It's over 💯 % breaking strength tested.
@bringit3164 it's very easy to just use a splice needle, serve, and tie the tag end. I'm regularly targeting YFT from 30 fathoms to 100 fathoms. It works really well and is easy enough to do out on the boat. I really like how smooth it is. Last week I hooked into 3 different galapagos and white tip sharks and it held for all of them. I'd recommend trying if you're interested
@bringit3164 I splice 80# daimond hollowcore braid to 100lb momoi Xtra hard mono about 6ft up the braid, and I have 4 fathoms of mono below the main line. That connects to a swivel with 1ft of 250lb mono to act as a chaff/bite guard for the toothy pelagics. Connected to that is usually a 350gr-400gr jig with two assist hooks. It's been a very reliable setup for me
Good fun!
Need to cinch the fg after the first half hitch. Then finish off with 2 more half hitches and rizutto
Good stuff, now have him show how he ties it tutorials!!
Pete won’t be in future videos, as he got Fired! ;) nice knot battle boys!
I watched Matt on pelagic pursuit FG one min catching 100lbs GT's watch the video
HI WHAT ABOUT THE SC KNOT FACING THE FG THEN THE PR IF IT STANDS...
The leader usually breaks regardless of what knot you tie bruh.. FG can be tied in any conditions with no tool.
If your fg breaks at the finish it’s because you’re doing too many finishing hitches. This abrades the braid.
When I tie the FG knot , I use less than what I’ve seen. Don’t think all of them are necessary.
My not is about a half to three quarter inch long. 50# braid with fifty to sixty pound leader. Knots never break. Usually it’s the braid a foot away from the know. Wished I had camera to show it. I have a leader an braid I kept for the leader too be reused
So if it’s not holding , I’d say ya need more practice. I’ve got thirty pound Striper and never failed me or anyone I’ve tied for.
Sorry , but it’s the way it is.
Can you use PR knot for light line say 10lb braid to 8 lb leader?
How often do you change your top shot
Try doubling the braid then build your fg
When you guys tie the PR, do you start and end at the braid (reel) side, or start and end at the leader (rod tip) side ?
The end of the braid coming off the reel goes into the bobbin tool. Then you rap the leader and line around your fingers. Then start the process.
Hai Hello Master, I am broadcasting from Malaysia
Have you ever tried the sc knot?
Best way to finish an FG knot is with a a rizutto
Half hitches are crap. They have zero strength. If you could get a taper on the end of a PR like you can half hitching braid for FG knots
im I seeing something different, I keep seeing the braid break, not the knot themselves?
Have you compared a modified Albright knot?
Yo zuri FC leader is soft compared to Pline FC CFX leader. I prefer the FG
Dare to compare with relix knot from Indonesia bro?
I am not familiar with the relix. I will definitely check it out.
@@JohnnyJigsTV thankyou
under water test requested
Les 2 nœuds sont excellents de toute façon
To many wraps on fg
😂you guys don't no how to finish the fg knot ...you doing the same problem my friend dit so as soon as the line is under tension your finish is slipping and breaking on the fg friction on braid is no good
So how do you finish it?
I want 150g jigs
FG only needs 20-22 turns. You are over tying it. I have almost never had an FG knot break on the knot. Almost always at the leader or above the knot on braid. Here is a good break down video of properly tied FG's vs Properly tied PR's. They are pretty much even on most test with some variations. But FG wins when done on a scale. czcams.com/video/y4EFPssvFKw/video.html
Dude, next time place your knot on your opponent's side, that way the winner isn't the one who gets line whipped.
Victory comes with a price
Brilliant idea
@@JohnnyJigsTV Tell your uncle Berry and Gary from the 90s Deerfield pier days says hello. Haven't seen him in years.
Will do...
Uncle Steve Said us pier rats stick together..lol...Hi Barry and Gary
How often do you change your top shot