Jean Jacques Rousseau and the State of Nature
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Hobbes and Rousseau are often put against each other for their views on what life would look like for humans in the state of nature. For Rousseau, Hobbes is looking at the state of nature through a biased societal lens, a society that has things like property, honor, success, and various goods. A human in the state of nature is blissfully ignorant of these things and is concerned only with the basics to survive. Thus, Rousseau's picture of the state of nature for humans is a bit more optimistic than Hobbes'.
Rousseau also takes the time to discuss certain qualities that he finds natural in humans. One of these qualities is pity, a faculty that we can easily see even today. According to Rousseau, if the Hobbesian person were without pity, then we would see everyone shunning their own family, friends, and others. But even if the world may look dark at times, there are signs of pity that we can identify in others.
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As you said its probably a mix of both. This is the first video I've seen from you and it seems pretty good, will def check out more :)
Thank you so much!
Wooo. Graeber and Wengrow have a nice intro to these guys in The Dawn of Everything. Edit to add my thoughts. Having trained animals and worked on small farms and spent a lot of time in nature I came to realize that many of humans best and worst qualities are present all over the animal kingdom and even natural processes. Kindness. Playfulness. Jealousy. Sharing. Frustration. What makes humans different really comes down to our ability to create and share new technologies and to imitate the creatures and environments we find. But like....ants man. I think both Hobbes and Rousseau were working with limited knowledge and shortsighted views of the natural world and the amazing intelligence of the other sentient beings we share the planet with.
Ants and ant farms are so cool and fascinating
Hobbes came to some very wrong conclusions, but human nature is definitely selfish. Proof: children. They care only about themselves and their needs, they have no ethics and will cause any harm they are capable of causing in order to get what they want. I once watched my nephew hit has grandfather with a plate in anger because said grandfather brought him exactly what he wanted, and he wanted it from grandma, not grandpa, so grandpa had to be punished, for giving him Exactly What He Wanted. That's where we start, and some of us learn empathy and stop behaving like that. That's the default state of a human. Some are raised in a way that instills concepts of empathy, but others only learn to feign empathy.
Kids are pretty crazy, thankfully it's also in our nature to grow and mature and to learn selflessness (hopefully)
Don't forget that Hobbes is pretty openly traumatized by the English Civil War
no it’s not, this is a stupid argument
@@shortfilms5165 What a great counterargument. I can see I'm dealing with a learned sage here.
ok with the understanding that humans are social creatures that to some deegree does mean that part of the nature of a human is to colaborate or atleast to take care of each other i am not saying you can't colaborate with someone you hate i am saying thats not how a proper society works societies dont work with threats most that used to had to give circus and bread so the system woulndt collapse