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trinities 376 - The Trinity, the Deity of Christ, and the Best Craig - Part 2
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2024
- trinities.org/... This is the final part of my response to some recent podcast episodes by Dr. William Lane Craig here and here.
Dr. Craig accuses me of being disingenuous in claiming that his minimal, so-called “biblical” doctrine consisting of two sentences is not enough to count as a trinitarian theology. I stand by that claim, and point out that it is unclear why Dr. Craig thinks that those sentences say anything about a tripersonal God.
I also discuss his claim that his rival hypothesis, that the New Testament authors assumed those two sentences, explains the 20 facts I build my case on in the forthcoming debate book. I don’t discuss all 20 facts here, but I present the 5 facts that I presented in the recent book panel session, and point out that Craig’s hypothesis in fact doesn’t explain any of those, in contrast to the hypothesis I call “U,” that the New Testament authors assume that the one God just is the Father and that neither the Son nor the Spirit are fully divine.
In his recent podcast Dr. Craig also seems to suggest that I think there is one doctrine of the Trinity, and that in the debate book I attacked a straw man theology which no trinitarian holds. I point out that both claims are mistaken. I also discuss the two different Trinity theories he has presented, pointing out that one could be true while the other is false.
Finally, I summarize the shortcomings of our recent interactions and I challenge Dr. Craig to a full-length, face to face public debate, suggesting four topics:
The New Testament teaches that the one God is tripersonal.
The Gospel According to John teaches that Jesus and the Father are equally divine.
The Chalcedonian doctrine of a divine and human Jesus is coherent.
The New Testament teaches that Jesus and the Father are equally divine.
Links for this episode @ trinities.org/...
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Reasonable Faith Podcast: Trinitarianism vs Unitarianism Part One
Reasonable Faith Podcast: Trinitarianism vs Unitarianism Part Two
“Craig’s Contradictory Christ”
“Trinity,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
This week’s thinking music is “Hi as Hats” by Van Loon.
Weekly podcast exploring views about the Trinity, and more generally about God and Jesus in Christian theology and philosophy. Debates, interviews, and historical and contemporary perspectives. Hosted by philosopher of religion / analytic theologian Dr. Dale Tuggy.
This week's thinking music is "Hi as Hats" by Van Loon. freemusicarchi...
Chapters:
00:00:22 Introduction
00:19:44 Dr. Craig's Recap
00:25:56 The Low Point
00:33:59 The New Testament Pattern of Worship
00:44:00 The Doctrine of the Trinity
00:51:39 Closing Statements
These are great and thoughtful podcast episodes, they definitely should be getting way more views by any thinking Christians
It doesn't matter what objections are made concerning any of the Trinity theories, the doctrine is always "misrepresented" or "misunderstood" according to trinitarians.
I love Dr. Tuggy’s gentlemanly invitation and challenge to debate WLC at the end of this episode…
I try to put myself in the place of the people where we are questioning their God. Iconoclasm is a hard pill to swallow. But much like the prophets of old told the Kings ‘Tear down the high places’ and ‘burn the altars to strange gods’.
If any Christian is willing to hear the words Jesus speaks and compares them to what their church teaches, there is hope. If their first response is to look for a teacher that will explain away what Jesus says, you have your answer to who they follow.
It's not possible to debate the unthinkable. That's why the best Craig isn't coming out. Biblical Unitarianism is a threat, only if it's entertained as serious enough to debate. If it's not entertained as such then it is a lame duck no matter how swift it is in flight.... Anyone courageous enough to hold to non-orthodox views just has a totally different mentality than a celebrity like Craig. He's got to keep up the appearances.
I take nothing from your excellent debate or 'splaining abilities. Do we still have the best Craig, in general? I honestly don't know.
Craig: "There is exactly one God, yet there are exactly three persons properly called God" How is this not the definition of heresy and hypocrisy?
Craig's interpretation of 1st John 5 vs 20 is terrible. That verse didn't say Christ is the true God. It says the opposite, actually. That we come to the true God through his son
Even if Christ was the true God how does it prove jesus is God the son? It could still be in reference to the Father..the God of Jesus
Dammmmmnnn shorty, Craig be wrecked kno wat I be saying my dawg? Lol seriously though dale, you are being way too kind to his intellectual dishonesty. Not dishonesty in the true deceptive sense, but dishonesty and the delusional sense. He is clearly extremely diluted when it comes to this and everything must be subservient to the delusion
It seems to me that the logic of your position implies that God has not communicated effectively: both now and historically the vast majority of Christians do not agree with a unitarian Christ. What does that mean regarding providence? Most Christians are in serious error- why? Well, according to Tuggy, because the tradition has completely misconstrued Jesus, including many saints and martyrs. It seems to me that if Tuggy is correct about scripture then Christianity is false! That's the paradox.
Don't blame God for man's confusion. He was clear throughout the Old Testament and yet people were confused. Jesus spent a lot of time dealing with this problem.