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Things are starting to shift with companies like Leviton and Hubbell introducing new products that are making wiring outlets and light switches much easier with no screw terminals. This change has been widely used in many countries for years and it looks like the US and Canada are starting to make the shift. What do you think? Is this a good change?
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The Legrand commercial receptacle you like is 0.78" deep compared to 1.18" deep for the Leviton Edge & 1.38" for the Hubbell EdgeConnect, which can make a difference in smaller boxes. The Legrand is 1.32" wide compared to 1.78" for the Leviton & 1.58" for the Hubbell. These things are gigantic relatively speaking for receptacles, all that plastic to hide the wires from the DIY crowd. I'll stick to the commercial receptacles for now. Also, your recent video on wirenuts vs lever connectors showed that the wirenuts had the lowest heat rise when overloaded, I wonder how these lever-type receptacles would compare to a traditional sidewire/backwire with screw connection?
To me I would consider it for new builds where you know the boxes will have the space and this will go quick and last a very long time. But, updating receptacles? I know for a fact a couple of mine would not even fit, one behind my refrigerator - I double electrical taped around it because the old metal box was close to the sides of the basic 15 amp receptacle I installed there.
Or the other 95% of World population would say: 10 or 12 mm
Hubbell are commercial and are spring terminals, not lever. Some of the largest , high profile projects in USA are going with Hubbell for the high performance, labor savings. Leviton is only for resi.
I'm a big fan of the Leviton Decora Edge. Its so simple and secure. And with no exposed metal, really safe. For all the sparky's that don't like it, I would argue that there is absolutely no logical reason why you need exposed screws. Its about time we move away from the stone-age of receptacles.
Whether it will hold up over time is another story. But I have no reason to believe they are build to any lesser quality than any other Leviton outlet. And for anyone that hasn't actually used these....NO its not the same as backstabbing. I just replaced 30+ outlets on a remodel. And they are great.
There are so many videos out that say people should NEVER use Wago connectors. But as far as I can see, the ONLY reason not to use them is that it puts a professional electrician out of a job. I think the Leviton would be the way to go. It's easy. It's secure. And even an idiot like me could use one. It looks like a winner to me.
Personally I'd still go Leviton for it's integration with it's other products with that exact fit setup as well as the Wago lever feature I love. But the Hubbell is a fantastic secondary option. I think those would work perfectly in RV/Mini Homes. That connectors grab force and the fact they advertise it's vibration resistance would be the perfect fit for those since they are on the road frequently.
I think they would be great for RV 👍👍
I’ve been very please with their products
backstabbing or back wiring is not code compliant in many states now.
The beautiful thing about back-wiring is clamping down two conductors under a single terminal screw, since there's two ports on each side of the screw post. You have all the metal of the screw and plate that makes the splice, and it's very low resistance and robust, even more so than a wirenut or Wago. I would absolutely daisy chain a gang of two or more receptacles this way.
Thanks Scott...hadn't seen the new Hubble release before...I appreciate the knowledge you share here online.
Per hubbell's site they have 15 and 20 amp versions, take 10-14 gauge wire, and both decora and duplex versions are available. They also have hospital, industrial, and commercial ratings. For most home outlets it's probably overkill given the likely higher cost and reduced availability but it's cool to see more options.
I love Hubbell and fell in love with their products from my time on boats: basically all of those large 30A/50A twist-locks you see on posts in a marina or on the cables that provide shore power to ships were Hubbell and VERY beefy and seriously made. I agree that brand receiving a low rating in your polling was about brand recognition and likely not about quality or trust. Of course their stuff is pricey (especially nowadays).
I'll stay with commercial grade back wire and run a set of short pigtails to Wagos.
Although I do like the alignment tabs of decora edge. I have a two gang box (GFCI and a decora switch) in my upstairs bath that was a major pain getting everything lined up so the cover plate would fit.
A thought is to upgrade to a 20A outlet system. But when I stop and think about it, why, everything is using less and less current.
Hubbell makes some good stuff. I'd like to see the internals of that receptacle. I always go for the Legrand backwire outlets. Other than J-hook, gives the most secure connection. Important for outlets to soak up some heat from a loose plug connection or appliance with undersized wiring. Especially in the kitchen and bathroom.
My air fryer cord is only 16ga, that's a lot for 1500W and gets fairly warm. Having a high contact area with the house wiring will help with some heatsinking.
Id like you to show a pull test of backstabbing vs wago vs the lever style plugs and see which reigns superior. That's a good video idea
Given that basically everyone says never backstab, and likes these lever style I would say you really only need to compare wago to lever.
czcams.com/video/ECJCmy__Z5A/video.html Hubbell pull test
It would be great to see - in one place - a list of receptacles, switches, etc., for 100 year old homes with tiny boxes behind plaster walls.
Nothing stops you from removing and redoing the box to a larger size, its what I will probably do when I get around to the electric.
Overcut protection tabs are nice... Alignment tabs are nice. Levers are convenient... However, if they take up more box space than a traditional receptacle, that's going to be a deal breaker in some circumstances. It's still hard to believe that a lever can be as secure as a properly torqued J-Hook that's side wired. I can see the benefit of a spring-loaded clamp where vibration is a concern.
Hubbell has excellent quality, and many commercial and specialty items are only made my Hubbell. They typically cost a bit more, but in my opinion are worth it for commercial work.
I showed the Hubbell to about 50 commercial contractors and schools and universities. 100% love it! Do you know why a receptacle mounting strap would be plastic instead of steel?
Thanks. I don't do much wiring anymore, but it is good to keep up with new options
Thanks for the feedback!
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I’ve recently installed some outlets with the “Backstabbing” feature.
I’m not sure the brand, but you had to unscrew the side screws to insert the wire in the back. If the screw is not, you could not insert the wire.
That finicky Hubble disconnect looks like it would be an epic pain if it was installed in a wall outlet with very short wires where I had no room to get behind it. I'd end up cutting the wires (obviously making them even shorter). The Leviton looks like it would be much simpler to snap free in any circumstances but especially in that one.
I love these new outlets and switches! I have been using these in my reno house and they are great, especially as I am going to be replacing much of the wiring once I have the walls open.
Just installed a bunch of the new levitons around the house, makes it go so much faster. Just make sure your wires are tucked well because the plastic body flexes a bit too much screwing them down
Hubbell accepts 10-14 awg solid and stranded. I heard of pull tests up to 100lbs on the twistlock spring terminations. Leviton is 12-14
Suspect the Hubbell will be 5x or more the cost of the basic outlet. For a comparison, 240v 40+ amp outlets are ~$15 for cheapo, $50 for very good and $100+ for Hubbells, regarded as best by most reviewers.
Leviton has features I could have used on my last redo. I'll be getting those.
I replaced all the receptacles in a new to me 1952 house that had all two prong. (12-2 no ground). Went with your Legrand commercial recommendation and used Wago's in some places. All boxes are small, with the exception of a few new runs I put in, so that factored into what I was doing.
Hope you ran new wire
The Hubble outlet looks big. I'm not sure if it one would fit in an electrical box in my older home. It was challenging enough replacing an old 3-prong outlet with a Leviton slimline GFCI outlet.
Learn a lot from this video. A very good one, thanks!
Thank You for sharing this new Hubbell outlet! Yeh I do prefer the higher quality from them and I am just happy with this new way of wiring. It seems way safer especially in metal boxes.
I exclusively use the Legrand commercial outlets but they are getting extremely hard to get a hold of. The big box stores don't even carry them in store/online anymore. Good thing I'm almost done replacing all outlets in my house!
At first glance I had no idea how the Hubbell receptacle was wired. They have the terminals illogically placed and the black tabs and terminals blend into the back too much, in my opinion. This could be an issue for those not familiar with it but I am curious to try it out. I didn't get a chance to respond to your poll but I would have voted for Leviton as well based on availability and convenience. I've switched to the Decora Edge based on your recommendation and I also like their "slide to off" dimmer switches.
I'm guessing that if you took it apart, the "illogical" placement would make sense to optimize the internal design, so it's probably weird to install but smart in the design. (I haven't taken one apart to prove this conjecture, though.)
Commercial contractors and spec engineer firms are All on board with the Hubbell. It’s commercial, industrial and hospital grade. Leviton is resi only. Leviton Cannot be used on commercial jobs. Leviton design is only for resi. If it could withstand commercial UL testing then Hubbell would have competition.
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I tend to go Lutron for light switches, but Leviton for receptacles.
Leviton or hubbel: as a DIYer, whatever is available on the shelf at my hardware store. I’m not going to go to a specialized store or order online. If their target audience is DIYer and that’s the only way to get their product is online or specialized store, they are missing their target audience.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
I have to have that center plate screw.
Hubbell has a cam mechanism for their tamper resistant receptacles. It's not perfect, but when it works it's by far the lowest insertion force TR receptacle on the market. It's hard to find Hubbell products, but it's worth special ordering them for TR receptacles you use everyday.
For the Hubbell Edge, you used a small screwdriver to release the wire and it and you indicated that it was slightly inconvenient. Have you tried using a needle nose pliers, linemen pliers to lift and tilt? What about the pliers end of your wire strippers?
Never heard of that brand Hubbell. Maybe I've never noticed it at HD. Thanks
You will probably find a few of their products at HD but Leviton will be the vast majority of HD switches and outlets.
They have been around for a very long time but are typically a brand that is only sold to professionals and not DIY people. They made extremely good products but are very expensive.
They invented the 1st light switch, first hospital grade, twistlock…if you poll resi builders and do it yourself ER’s the poll is drastically different from Commercial and industrial contractors. Hubbell is high quality and just does not have the issues that others have. Just go to an electrical distributor defective aisle.
I would go with the Leviton because the connectors on the Hubble seem like they would break easily. It's not like I'm accessing my outlets often, but I can pretty much guarantee you that I would destroy one of those connectors on the initial install.
I don't have any goto brand because I can usually find switches & outlets in good used condition for next to nothing which are just fine for most things. However when I purchase outlets for my next project they are going to be whatever can take 10 gauge wire since thats what an electrician used for my outside light.
Hey Scott do you know of any GFCI recpeticals that don't have the LED in normal operation? The light at night in the bathroom bugs me
Legrand or Eaton GFCIs only light up red when tripped. No lights during normal operation.
Just installed my first Leviton Decora Edge and it couldn’t have been easier. From what you showed, I wouldn’t like the Hubble Edge. Leviton seems like a much better design.
I USED TO WORK COMMICAL AND RESIDENTAL AND A DIYER, I LIKE THE LEVITAN BETTER BECAUSE IM NOT GOING SHUT A SECITION OF A HOUSE JUST TO CHANGE ONE OUTLET OR A SWITCH. IM USED TO DOING THINGS HOT.
There is nothing wrong with back stab and they are UL listed- BTW, I noticed you did not perform a pull test. I’ve had back wire connections loosen over time, even though you prefer them. I always tighten, loosen and tighten again to ensure it seats the wire under the plate. This is a perfect solution for stranded wire.
I like the lever configuration as it’s more practical for DYI installs.
IMO, Eaton TR plugs have been awful in my experience. Leviton TR is much better. Eaton is a high quality device.
Have you tried pulling the wire out of Leviton's vs Hubbell? That would really show the quality difference of the products. The idea that Hubbell's plunger is hard to pull out in nonsense. The device has molded in bridges to help you pull the plunger up. Hubbell has 15A, 20A in a BR series, spec grade 5362ST series, and heavy duty industrial grade HBL5362ST. Same thing with switches. Also have them in all common NEMA Twist-locks and straight blade plugs and connector bodies. They even have this technology in a version of their pin and sleeve devices. Hubbell kills Leviton on the breadth of line offered giving it more application in the commercial and industrial world. Hubbell sells mainly through local electrical distributors.
I like my regular screw type outlets. They take up the least amount of space in the box, which is sometimes crowded with wire nuts and wires.
Other than the lever, I'd like to know what exactly has been done to mitigate the failures that are obviously so common with traditional back stabbing, which also holds the wire with a similar type of spring mechanism. Is the clamping force just way higher with this lever design or something? The design may be okay since Wago's lever nuts don't seem to suffer from an excessively high failure rate like back stab terminals on receptacles and switches do, but that may be because they aren't being wiggled constantly when people plug in and unplug devices?
I like Legrand commercial but you may need to seek it out online; big box stores won’t carry the full line.
You can't convince me this is a better connection. The only benefit I see is speed of replacing... And why is replacement the best feature? Are they planning for these to fail and be replaced often?
I like the Decora Edge, but the tabs on the top and bottom are huge.
Great video. But do you know if/when Decora Edge products will be available at Canadian big box stores? Seems like you always have more options in the U.S. Like, those blue plastic electrical boxes, I never seem to see those on the shelves here. Final question: Would an electrical inspector in Canada have any issue with seeing a Decora Edge product installed in a project in Canada? Thanks in advance.
Here in the US they were only available through Home Depot online but now they are starting to roll out to the stores. Do you see them available through Home Depot website in Canada? If so, I would think they will also start rolling them out in the stores as well but might take a bit of time.
I think they *just* started rolling out. My local Home Depot has them in stock all of a sudden, but they didn't just a few weeks ago.
I like those features but not that style. I like my traditional style outlets with 3 prongs and a ground screw holding the plate on. The took away the grounding screw on "mud rings" as I call them, that hold the outlets to a square box, and removed a ground screw on the GFCI, though I suppose you COULD use the top or bottom screw if you're not using one of those damn plastic or nylon boxes. Also, still, too much plastic. I wish they would make them of porcelain and metal instead of plastic and metal. Same thing with the plate covers. Porcelain, ceramic, wood, steel. So much nicer than ugly plastic that cracks and strips, then gets brittle with age.
I missed your poll and when I did my rewiring last summer or is it 2 summers ago now ? I can't remember. Either way, I usually get the cheapest Leviton outlets I can find. With the blue half back. I am going to stop buying that kind. I wasn't aware that there was any difference, though I would prefer the back wiring if lever isn't available. I never been a fan of back stabbing either, however, when I was a kid, before I knew better, I found that using a jeweler's screwdriver in the release slot, it would release the back stabbed wire and allow it to be used again. But when I learned the other way, I quit back stabbing.
I guess I am stuck in the past. I miss the old two prong outlet slots that were NOT polarized. When life was simpler, but I also know the importance of polarized grounds and that's why I am obsessed with them. I am also obsessed with all 14 gauge wire being phased out in favor of the 12 gauge. I distinctly remember my Mother and Dad inheriting my Great Grandpa's house and them swearing up and down a storm like someone's with Tourette's Syndrome because they couldn't plug anything into those non polarized outlets.
Our codes in this area have changed too, which I am also in favor of. No more sharing neutral wires. For every hot there MUST be its own neutral wire, and that's something I thought about for a long time and wonder why it took them all this time to figure out what I already thought was better. Perhaps I am just ahead of my time.
Great video, thanks for posting, and I was able to hear you LOUD & CLEAR without needing to max out my volume on my computer.
Very cool stuff.
Leviton won the preferred question bc they are sold at Home Depot. Which is a national chain. Menards sells legrand but is only here in the Midwest.
Leviton distribution hates losing sales to Home Depot
Not sure with the Leviton if the spring tension is provided with the contact and the lever together. The Hubbell seems like it only relies on the contact spring tension by itself. If this is true I'd lean toward the Leviton.
Leviton Decora Edge
I definitely use commercial grade when replacing, I prefer those connections, but I would not object to either of the newer ones. But probably Leviton over Hubbell.
Leviton is resi grade. Hubbell does not make these in resi grade. Designed for labor savings
I've tried the Leviton Edge and love it. It's probably my new go to. Hubbell's look too much of a pain to disconnect.
good info seeing them compared... i'd stick with normal commercial ones or the leviton if it was between these two... don't like that release function on the hubbel.
Also the audio in this video is... really wonky... fyi
How about boxes that have integrated lever nuts to save having to stuff so much wire behind the device?
Went to home depot today but didn't see any laveto snap side in GFI outlets
#1 this video compares leviton resi grade vs Hubbell commercia grade. Night and day. #2 Commercial contractors install about 10 duplexes per hour. They can install 30 per hour with hubbell. If installing 1000 duplexes they will save 83 labor hours. 83 labor hours x $50 fully burdened labor hours is a savings of over $3000.00. #3 removes NEC torque requirements. # no need for commercial contractors to tape devices before install in metal commercial boxes. Again you cannot use the Leviton resi product on commercial jobs.
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Since you like the Hubbell Edge so much, I think it would be good for you to do the heat, vibration and pull tests you've done before for Leviton Decora Edge versus Hubbell Edge and anything else related. Say the entry level outlet, backstab, up to the commercial grade clamping lock. All 4 types. It was surprising to how properly-done wire nuts were better than WAGO in some respects, so this should be interesting, too, with more potential surprises. Convenience is great, but is it the safest and best? Safer for preventing shorts, but what about any other potential concerns? And a tear down and internals inspection of a Hubbell Edge would be in order, as well, and comparing it to any others, especially the Leviton Decora Edge. Thanks for introduction of Hubbell Edge. I had never heard of them and I'm sure many others have not, too. Looking forward to the comparisons mentioned. Thanks, Scott.
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The Hubbell looks a little deep even with the levers pushed in. Might be a problem in crowded boxes.
No deeper than std duplex
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So what do you do when all your wiring has been updated? Buy another house? :). I buy Hubbell DPDT and DPST online. Not cheap but very well made. Menards is selling LeGrand these days, and those cheap Smart devices. Thx.
i have to use that cheap receptacle just to save money, i kinda live at remote area . things are very expensive when they get flown in
It looks like they’re two different products. Leviton is a 15a, and Hubbell is a 20a outlet.
So it would be ok to use both.
For both the Decora Edge and the Hubble Edge Connect the product lines are limited. It will be interesting to see how each company expands out the product line. I would expect Leviton to start rolling out more products under the "Edge" badge as it seems like the response has been very good.
I understand the reasoning behind not backstabbing an outlet but if you were using non wago type push in connections isn't it the same?
Even with Wagos you're essentially backstabbing with the addition of having a lever to further tighten the wire to bus bar..
The argument for backstabbing failing could also be argued for a push in connection and/or Wayos failing. They use 90% same concept with the exception of a Wago having the ability via the lever to release the clamping load..
I know backstabbing is more of a PITA if you need to change something but of its a plug that could end up servicing the home for 20-30-40+ years what does it matter.
If backstabbing is such a bad idea would you also consider non wago connectors that use a push to connect style to have/propose the same issue?
The only downside I've heard to backstabbing is future use or removal to change something. Again if it's just a plug that the end user never plans on messing with after why is it soo bad?
The minimal bus bar connection is the same with backstabbing as a Wago and you often hear of electricians bashing Wago for that same bus bar connection vs using wire nuts.
I don't like that the Leviton Decora Edge doesn't come in a non-tamper resistant version.
What about when you have stranded wire ??
I always have a small small flat-blade handy. I’m replacing the outlets in my house as they were all backstabbed by “professional” electricians when the house was built
Leviton is available everywhere, but it always seemed cheap to me.
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what about the size differences? Depth and width expecially.
nm, i found a comment with that info
looks slightly better than back stabbing, but still prefer back wiring - call me an old man but skeptical about "quick" install methods being better - I guess better than a poorly installed side wiring
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I like the Leviton better
Hubble product is strange… Seems like the kind of thing you would do if the Wago-style latch was under patent protection. But if it is- how was Leviton able to copy it?
Can't even watch it. The audio is off between left and right
Hubbel is great stuff but it might if scored lower just based off price
I am scared to see what price they set when the products come to market. They sent me an industrial-grade outlet as well that is probably $25 😬
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I’m price sensitive. And my older home isn’t decora style.
NO "Tamper Resistant" receptacles for me. Regardless.
Yeah, they can be a pain for sure.
Clamping...It's clamping.
With your oft repeated dislike for "backstabbing" based on "it can come loose", what DATA do you have to support the Decora Edge that it is at all better? It seems like you are undeservedly transferring your respect for Wago to a completely untested (at least in the field!) product.
Lemme guess, he tries to sell us Wago Lever nuts again
The Leviton design seems completely idiot-proof.
The fact that you even have back stabbing as an option and not just simply saying don't do it. Back stabbing is a violation in electrical code. And the first most tried & true method is not your favorite? Just stop!
Use the proper outlets, these things are junk for people who dont know what there doing (like this guy) those flip connections fail over time.
Seems like an advertisement thumbs down ... And fyi wago lever nuts seldome hold a wires when having to stuff and outlet box ful of 14/12 solide romex. Back stab outlets hold 10 times beter then a wago lever nuts and back stabing outlets which is bad.
Anything to be able to somehow justify charging the consumer $15 a pop for an electrical receptacle because people are too lazy to learn how to use a screwdriver these days I guess 🤷🏻♂️
With the Leviton Edge it’s immediately obvious how to use it correctly and safely. The Hubble looks confusing. If I found one of those in a wall (and hadn’t seen this video) I’d have no idea what to do with it.