Wahoo KICKR 2018 Smart Trainer: Product Details // Ride Review // Sound Check
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- The Wahoo Kickr 2018 is the fourth revision of their flagship interactive direct drive trainer - and the most significant update to the Kickr we've seen to date. Here's all the details and my take on the unit after a number of rides and Lama Lab tests looking at the numbers.
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This is perfect, so excited, i wanted a kickr but noise put me of, now i'm getting this for sure. hell yes!
Did you pair with AppleTV4k and manage to get cadence working (along with remote, power, hr) ? Is this still a separate Bluetooth connection ?
REMI
Ordered this morning! It will be a great upgrade from my Kinetic Smart!
Dear Santa, I’ve been a really good boy this year!!!
You’ve convinced me to get the KickR, Climb & Bolt so far... you should get commission! As always mate. Just what we needed to hear. Great in-depth review.
Please no more! My Mrs may start to suspect all these packages cost real monies! & if she starts to google them, she may start to google the price of my bikes too! 😱
My God... They got rid of that annoying whine. All I heard was your chain. Now I will definitely consider buying this.
I bought a Tacx new for the silence and couldn’t be more happy with it!
I agree. The new Kickr still uses a belt which means they have more moving parts than the Neo.
How is your Tacx doing after one year? I'm about to buy on the NEO 2T, or the Kickr... Would love to hear your opinion!
This is a definite game changer. The Neo is still slightly quieter as slower speeds but not at faster speeds. The 2018's compatibility with the Climb gives the edge to the Kickr over the Neo. Count me in Wahoo!
Loving the slew of videos Shane!
So quiet. My V1 is still running nicely but it'd be a good upgrade.
June 1st a new firmware update for Kickr18 available to enable/add bluetooth FTMS
I recently bought the Tacx Neo for the sound... and now Wahoo release this... it always happens... Damn!
Interesting that the Kickr was slightly louder at lower power but quieter at higher (possibly due to cassette like you said). But was also funny to notice that after you finished your sprint on the Neo, the sound from freewheeling was so much louder.
Also yay on keeping that $1200 price point! I do wish they'd at least have gone for an 11/28 cassette. 34/26? On AdZ or steep, punchy climbs? At my weight, that'd involve using the resistance slider in Zwift a bit. Then again I already tend to ride at about 90% since my trainer wheel (version 1 Kickr Snap) is 11/28 and my rear outdoor wheel is 11/32. That extra gear helps me spin my... spare tires up hills. Made me learn to hate climbing far less.
Sound is all flywheel speed, not power. It's a tricky one to quantify for so many reasons. I was super surprised at the Neo comparison results. Really good news for everyone that it's so quiet.
The one thing I'd love to hear from Wahoo is that they are working on something to compete with the Fluxx and Dorito. My wife and I currently have 2x Kickr Snap version 1. As much as I'd love to eventually upgrade to a direct drive, $2400 for 2 Kickrs is a touch painful. Especially with previous versions being so loud. I'm not sure I could sleep through her doing an early morning ZA group ride if we had those. $1600-1800 for 2x something similarly price to the Direto would be easier for us.
Nice to see how much Wahoo keeps improving their products! It makes me want to keep supporting them (I have my Snap, Elemnt Bolt and heart rate strap and my wife has a Snap). I'm still happy with both of our Snaps. But I assume one day, her and I will either wear them out or want to upgrade. And when that happens I'd probably look at Wahoo products first but kind of want that slightly lower price point. Then again I probably should not complain too much for how much use I get out of them. For the cost of say 1 high end video (say a GTX 1080), her and I could jump from 2x Direto to 2x Kickr 4. But I still keep hoping that at some convention I'll see a video from you or Ray talking about Wahoo releasing some "entry level" direct drive trainer.
Wonder what the flywheel looks like on the Kickr. My take on your test is that the flywheel on the Neo rings like a bell. Which I just kind of verified by knocking lightly on the flywheel of my Neo. I wonder if the Neo could be made quieter by adding something to the flywheel that dampens that ringing.
I've also had a faulty Kickr 2018 out of the box. Wahoo sent out a new bolt + washer + key (+£100 coupon) which did fix the knocking problem but it doesn't fix what people are calling the "drone" which in my case also involves a feet and bum numbing vibration that can shake the walls (I'm guessing unbalanced flywheel).
When it was just about getting the new key to fix the knocking Wahoo were replying to emails in under 30 minutes. If I'd been quicker replying to them it could probably have been a 24 hour turnaround from sending them a video to installing the key. But despite being off to a racing start I haven't had any reply from them since I said the new key didn't fix the drone/vibrations.
When I received the Kickr I couldn't adjust the height because the bolt was done up too tight and when installing the new key things that the instructions said should only take 1/8 turn were taking full turns to loosen. So it looks like everything has been screwed together much too tight and without any concern for the torque.
Before I chose the (unsuccessful) self-repair they previously said it's a two week wait to receive a replacement that's been fixed/checked so they clearly don't even trust their own stock.
Hmmm. This really sucks when the community experience is different (in a negative) way to mine and what I present here. Cheers for posting up the details.
@@gplama I got a reply from Wahoo today and they also reckon it's an unbalanced flywheel and will replace the unit. This is the first time I've seen Wahoo associate the drone with the flywheel (though at the right speed my drone really rattles the bike which I haven't seen anyone else record so maybe mine is different).
They also said it's OK to continue riding my current trainer as it won't cause any additional damage. To me that implies they aren't worried about bearings.
I’m having this issue too. We’re now on our 3rd replacement unit and after 200kms this 3rd unit has started rumbling/vibrating very loudly. I also had the same issue with adjusting the height as everything on the unit was done up super tight.
I’m just about to log a ticket again to start the return process but the whole situation has been really frustrating.
@@kindacloudy1805 The replacement I got is fine so far but I did opt to wait an extra 1-2 weeks for Wahoo to check the unit. The package looked unaltered but the tracking said it originated from the UK rather than the normal NL warehouse. The packing list also called it a "Kickr 2018 Gold" and I've never seen "gold" mentioned anywhere else in relation to Kickrs.
I think the people getting strings of faulty units either aren't choosing to wait or didn't get the choice.
TooManyGooglAccounts We just got our 5th unit (the first 4 developed the same noise/vibration) and although it wasn’t on the box, we’ve been told this is a ‘gold’ unit as well. Whilst it doesn’t look any different on the outside, it’s certainly a lot quieter (so far). Fingers crossed there’ll be no more issues from now on.
The Kickr doesn't Humm... But the Sram cassette is louder. Get Shim.
wildsilverh yes the option is there if you want to make it quieter still is to replace the cassette. What we are hearing is probably a miss match noise.
I wish they had added Cadence data to the same bluetooth channel as power as most trainers do. Apple TV I need to use the BT channels for power and HR.
Rich Ray Use Zwift Companion on your phone to bridge your BLE sensors and you won’t be limited to two devices.
How about availability of Campagnolo freehub body? Previous Kickr (2017) was not anymore compatible with Campagnolo cassettes.
How about a belt upgrade kit from wahoo for all previous kickr models?............
Likewise - Also keen to hear if there is any upgrade path for the belts and pulleys
The upgrade path is the new Kickr. There's a whole lot going on with the new belt / drive wheel / surface area etc to make it work.
Thanks - kind of guessed it would be tough
@@gplama Hello, i want to buy smart trainer but i dont know if buy Wahoo Kickr 17 or Elite Drivo I. Can you help me to resolve my dude?
Sorry, I can't. It's entirely up to you what to buy. Best I can do is share my experiences with equipment and let people decide what suits them.
Wow just in time Shane. Been checking out the a kicker and Neo and may have picked something this coming week. The deciding point was the noise level of the two with the Neo winning there. Really interested in the Kickr now. Hopefully Wahoo engineered that style of belt drive better than Tacx did with the flux. Saw the issues you and others had. Alignment is critical with that type of belt. There was no mention of disc compatibility as with the V3 and couldn't see that side of the Kickr. Assuming the area changed on the previous is the same on this one. Looks like this was done before you left so is there any update on availability in Australia? Ok just checked at Wahoo says mid July.
SO given the choice and money no object, which would you buy; the Kickr 2018 or the Kickr Core?
I wouldn’t be riding indoors. Role play is hard. What’s best for me isn’t likely best for you. Have a look the specs, evaluate what’s important to you, go from there.
Having not long bought the kickr 17, will wait for kickr 19. My prediction will be the kickr 19 will have the surface simulation like the neo.
I think I am right in saying wahoo released a new kickr out every year for the past 3 or 4 years. So I am only guessing that they are bringing out a kickr 19.
Sounds so much better , whatever speed only noise I could hear was the drivetrain, Neo seemed to start emitting flywheel noise at higher speeds (maybe the motor drive for realistic road feel?) belt looks identical to my Tacx Flux belt?
Shame they couldn't manage to get rid of the need for the cadence sensor.
It’s gone now! (A year later) The cadence sensor in integrated
would you recommend over the elite direto?
It's a question not a comment. Do Smart trainers have freewheel? Let's say I'm using Zwift and going on a steep downhill. Do I still have to pedal or I can get some rest.
Silent Kickr! What's your response Neo?
kwcmau , they said...
Road feel, unpowered use, built-built-in sway (limited rocking) are still Neo only.
And no need to calibrate, of course...
Then if the road feel is not important, kickr core should be a better choice
Shane, I am debating between the Wahoo Kickr, Tacx Neo and possibly waiting for the Tacx Neo Bike Smart - just not sure what I should do. Is the Tacx Neo Bike Smart worth waiting for over these other two?
Hi, pedals measure the power from the legs...the wahoo the same minus drive train efficiency. Might be that these can be seen as the changes? Cheers
How are the vibrations on this? As for me the problem is no longer the noise but the vibrations that my neighbours complain about? Thanks for sharing.
I'm on my third, yes third 2018 V4 Kickr and that unit has now also failed. I've owned earlier Kickrs which have all been bullet proof. Wandering what on earth I've done to deserve such bad luck. I can't fault Wahoo's warranty process but a few searches online shows there appears to be significant numbers of units failing. Every one I've had seems good out of the box but after 100 miles plus of riding each unit has failed with bearing damage and clonking noises coming from the fly wheel. Wahoo need to publicly acknowledge there is an issue. Some people are very recently reporting Wahoo are now offering modification kits to swap out the woodruff assembly. If no action is taken I think the onset of bearing damage will render it a certain warranty return. I am a Wahoo fan but questioning how long it will take for them to get on top of this and what with the imminent arrival of the Neo 2, time is pressing for them.
Me too. Now my 3rd unit has started rumbling/vibrating so you’re not alone.
Probably a weird question but nevertheless, it'd be helpful for me. With that setup (without the rocker plates - nice idea but it still needs some work) what is the total length from the front of the kickr climb to the end of the kicker 18? I'm trying to get an idea to see if it fits my living room. Thanks in advance.
(Sorry, for the spam, but I think it would be more appropriate here.)
Is there a difference in how the climb reacts with this vs 17 Kickr? Kicking myself for upgrading my Snap to Kickr 17 in April to prepare for the climb. Should have waited!
I am a fan and a subscriber... i enjoy your work Shane.I do have a couple of questions.
1) What device(s) did you use to collect the data from the pedals and the Kickr?
2) I only have 1 head unit (Garmin 520). That said, I just bought Vector 3 pedals and I already have a Kickr core. I paired the V3 with my 520 and the Core with Zwift. After a Zwift Academy workout I got Vector 3 avg power = 121 but on the Core I got avg power = 134. BIG DIFFERENCE!? I had ERG mode on and at any given moment I could see that the Vector 3 pedals were much lower than the Zwift power reading of the Core. Without a 3rd source for measuring power, how would I determine my source of truth when doing a power analysis on the V3 and the Core?
Thank you!
G'day!
1) Typically Garmin Edge units as I have a peloton of those (820/830/520/530/1030)
2) Comparing power numbers is tough task... and needs three or four meters to isolate things. Zwift will generate a FIT file you can download from the Zwift user portal/dashboard for comparison with what your 520 records (and using the DCR Analyzer tool)
Would you say that the bigger flywheel had any noticeable effect on ride feel? To me the more simplistic base of the core isn't an issue so that would seem to be the better buy, all in all
Nothing that jumped out at me. Maybe we can model that in the future... but under foot for a few rides... meh.
Hi guys. Please, can you says me who is the best option: Wahoo kickr 17 or elite drivo?
Shane, mate...I revisited your review of the Apple 4K TV as a source for Zwift, and noted there are three BLE connections, with the one taken up by remote, leaving 2 spare. With this unit, and as it includes cadence, would it support HR & Kickr+Cadence as two BLE sources ? Or will I need the Cables BLE hub? Looking at overhauling all my Zwift setup, Wahoo Kickr, CLimb and SMart etc...your suggestions would be ideal as you have done all these reviews. Thanks in advance mate. Rav
This might help: czcams.com/video/6sQKK5Z_V50/video.html
How did you get the powertap power display on Zwift?
Probably captured by another device and overlayed on the Zwift footage in post edit or real-time.
can i use the kickr without any power source? example: I dont have electricity at my home for some reason can I still train on the trainer, can it work as a fluid trainer ?
No
Any content out there on advantages of kickr over snap?
SHANE, GREAT RECAP! BEFORE I MAKE A PURCHASE ON A SMART TRAINER, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY UPGRADE TO THE WAHOO KICKER 2018? AND WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THE KICKER 2018? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP. TMO 10
I’ve been on the Core + Climb lately after the firmware update and it’s been good to ride around the new Yorkshire course.
Significant upgrades on the 2017 model that I upgraded to on the promise of Climb integration that never came before releasing this new and improved model. Think I’ll have a case for a rebate from Wahoo?
Technically it did... by a few days. As for a rebate for a trainer you already hold in your hands.... that transaction is complete. I'm not so sure that'll float. If they had to compensate customers when releasing new products nobody would be in business.
I bought my 2017 yesterday...
Shane Miller, quite a few people have experienced problems with the KICKR V4. My unit was making a clunking noise, straight of the box. Wahoo told me that the noise is caused by the “woodruff key assembly” that was manufactured out of spec. Wahoo are addressing the issue, but the flywheel on my unit also seems out of balance. Some other people also report that the bearings fail prematurely, possibly due to very high belt tension. All these issues have me off the KICKR and i’ll probably return my unit for refund. Please could you take a look into the issues You’ll find lots forum posts etc. Is the KICKR V4 still worth buying at the moment?
I’m keeping track. Mine have been fine, only the stickers flying off the CORE has been my somewhat amusing drama in the Lama Lab. I’ll ping Wahoo for official word on what’s going on. Good to hear their warranty process is working.
Hey Shane. If you have to pick one power trainer (ignoring price) which one would you pick: 2018 Wahoo Kickr or Tacx Neo. I am leaning towards the Wahoo kickr due to it being compact light weight and accurate and the noise is now at par with Tacx but for some reason I keep looking at the Tacx Neo. One of those reasons being the fact there is no spindown to be done on Tacx but on kickr I suppose I only need to do it every two weeks. I think I just need a nudge on the right direction. :)
Test ride both if you can and go from there. No nudging from me. Entirely your call what to go with.
I'm leaning towards the tacx neo smart just because I can use it without power. This comes in handy when you want a warmup ride before a race!!
I went for wahoo KICKR 2018 instead. I got the feeling the Neo is an old model and they will launch something new next year. If you know what I mean.
Bought one with the help of this review but holey hell the fly wheel gets hot!
Yep! That energy has to go somewhere. All trainers get hot.
Can I use my 10 speed cassette with this?
Blimey, a vee belt? I hope they’ve done plenty of testing and have checked tensions and power outputs after at least 48 hours of use. Cheaper bits for Wahoo too, so hope the price comes down for the consumer 😅.
I recently purchased one and I'm having troubles trying to figure out why the crank vibrates when I'm pedalling. Does anyone know why or how to fix this? I couldnt find any post online related to this. I'm stuck!!
Contact Wahoo Support
@@gplama thanks mate. I've submitted a ticket with them. Was hoping you might know the answer ;D
Great news! Does Kickr require a calibration for each ride?
Martin R. No. It never did. You must be thinking of the wheel Kickr Snap.
Goonie Goo Goo Thanks for the clarification ;)
If conditions in your training room didn't change since previous calibration (temperature etc.) then no. If they did or you're not sure then I would highly recommend it.
It seems that the grinding vibration from the kickr v4 is a repeated problem. Lots of units become unrideable after ~5-10 hours of riding (including mine). Why??
One for Wahoo support
@@gplama Yep - sent them a ticket with video, etc last night (as per the instructions on this link; wahoofitness.yonyx.com/y/conversation/?id=f99bf460-f418-11e8-8d9d-bc764e10d166&did=f3198100-f98d-11e8-ad2d-bc764e11d2f4&lang=en)
The prelude to this page (wahoofitness.yonyx.com/y/conversation/?id=2378cdd0-f40a-11e8-849a-bc764e10c19d&did=f3198100-f98d-11e8-ad2d-bc764e11d2f4&lang=en) gives a few things to try that could be wrong first but oddly lists "flywheel imbalances" as a common problem without any suggestion on how to fix that).
Good to see they're on the case then.
@@gplama Well they haven't replied yet. Looks like some things to try here; www.cyclechat.net/threads/wahoo-silent-kickr-kickr-core-faults.241225/
So Wahoo offered to replace my kickr within 24 hrs of contacting them with 2-3 day delivery. That's really good customer service. But in the meantime I figured out the problem. I could do a guest vlog on it for you! Basically they have a QC issue with the specific belt and bolt tension that the kickr v4 needs to work smoothly with the quiet belt. Clearly they are simply not tightening the bolts in the right order, to the right attention. They obviously are sometimes since you and others have had no issues.
When will we see a dB test of the Kicker4?
7:24
I don't know about anybody else but, a 11-26 cassette seems a little odd? Most bike nowadays come stock with 11-28 which mitigates the advantage of having it come with a cassette but not enough cogs to go up those 10-15pct. inclines. Also, in the sprint the Wahoo was less stable at the base than the Neo. But, i like the immersive nature of the Wahoo with the climb but then that's another device and more $$.
A lot of bikes have moved away from 53/39 to 52/36 or even 50/34 now up the front making the requirement for a 28 or more on the back less of a requirement (for some, it's personal preference)
Why would you buy the top model of Kickr when you can get full flywheel simulation on the TacX run directly via electromagnets? You don't get closer to real than that?
Because a simulated flywheel isn't the same as a real flywheel. People prefer one or the other... or both.
I don't have a smart trainer, so thanks for elaborating. My thinking is, that it wont get anymore real than electromagnets , e.g. full control, but of course, its not a real flywheel.
Also thanks for all the videos!
How's the vibration of the kickr? I have a Neo and my neighbors downstairs can hear it (sounds like I'm doing laundry)
No issues for me. The Lama Lab is on solid concrete with gym flooring though.
Can I add this to the growing list of Wahoo products that I still cannot purchase?
Sure, but it's shipping tomorrow by all reports.
I'm glad I held out. The Kickr notice was always a turn off for me.
Can it be used with a tri bike?
Yes
Haha your pedal kept kicking you in the back of the head during the sound test.
Any issues with your kickr2018 since you got it?
No issues with the unit I have. I’m aware of the issues others have had.
@@gplama Thats good to hear! Just ordered mine despite the bad reviews. Hopefully I get a good one!
Jay Manalo hello! How’s the unit? R you satisfied with your purchase?
@@sanordrey Hi! The unit went bad 2 months ago. Wahoo replaced it with no questions asked! So far the new unit is working as it should. Despite the quality control, I'm satisfied pretty satisfied with it as long as its working and also their customer service has been great. They've replaced my bolt and HR monitor as well with no questions asked.
Jay Manalo thanks! Wahoo’s Customer service is commonly praised and that provides some sense of tranquility. I’m racking my brains trying to choose between the Neo 2 and the Kickr 2018...
Do you need a wheel block with the KICKR??
Not needed. Personal preference.
Great! Just bought one today (KICKR18, not wheel block! sold my wheel block with the SNAP)
Can I ask, did you try sprinting with the KICKR climb on? I'm worried about lateral movement cracking the thing! I'm not even close to pro but definitely amateur enough to do something stupid like rock the thing to destruction!
No issues for me sprinting with the Climb.
Thanks! Can't wait to get my hands on on next month!!!
Will you be able to retrofit with the new belt?
No. Not possible for a number of reasons.
Shane Miller - GPLama mostly profit and revenue reasons. I just got the damn 17, and now hey want me to get maybe $600 our ofmit and fork over another $1200 on a quiet one? And that is if I don’t want a climb or fan now? Cmon wahoo, planned obsolescence is a part of business but maybe not doing such large change every year. Maybe every other
ok. Here's the longer reply... which eats into my Core review/ride time here at Eurobike... but just to clarify. I'll defend Wahoo here from an engineering point of view because people are getting emotional.
1) The larger drive wheel is needed to increase the surface area of the new vertical grooved belt. Or it'd likely slip at high torque.
2) A larger drive wheel means it'll spin the flywheel faster... so they had to increase the size of that.
3) The internal gearing interface changes so that's the third major component + the belt that needs changing.
4) There would need to be a calibration/verification process on all of the above if it existed.
5) There's no five. I just numbered this to finish up. It won't happen. It can't happen. If they did, it'd be a total shitshow.
I've done a recent video on resale of smart trainers. It's pretty good. $600 for a Kickr17? Maybe on the street corner. I see them holding value a LOT better than that. The 17 is Climb compatible.
So there's my 2c on the issue. As I said, a number of reasons. I've also seen the internals and spoken to the designers today on this very question. I hope this helps.
Shane Miller - GPLama sorry to make you type that out, but you know us yanks and how emotional we can get. I have no doubt that this new one is the bee’s knees, which is why I am angry that I want it so badly. 🙄
I just dropped $1600 on a Gen3 kickr last week... Insert four letter word here, starting with F ending with a K
Vincent Manuel Gotta keep in tune with industry expos. Eurobike is always big for indoor training announcements because the northern hemisphere will be headed into fall/winter shortly.
Depending where it was purchased you may be able to return it for a refund.
FORK? :)
I spent $1200 US dollars four weeks ago. Living in an apartment I would of waited the month and kept riding in the Texas heat. Gen3 is useable though. However, I feel like I failed in keeping up with the latest and greatest new products coming out.
Me too man. I research heaps but I guess not enough.
Shane, does the climb go up and down with the terrain when doing intervals in erg mode?
Not that I've encountered. I guess that could change/be an option. I'd shut it off in ERG.
Bought a Kickr 2017 on Saturday. This 2018 announced on Sunday.
Tips anyone? (Be kind).
Flip it and get a Core. It's a Kickr17 that's quiet.
Look at your vendor's return policy. I bought a 17 in late May. Vendor has a 60 day return policy so the question becomes whether the new one worth the return shipping charges ($60 USD). Hopefully, you can do similar if you wish.
Still needs calibration. Tacx Neo is still the King.
Some people have power meters, not an issue (they need zero offset, damn ok). Native thru axle support on this. Checkmate! Maybe. :) Battle carries on.
God that belt looks scary... It's the same system as the flux!
Prastt no issue with that type of belt as motor vehicles have been using those for years. But proper pulley alignment is critical otherwise they will jump across like the flux did. So a stiff chassis is important to keep alignment under load. The idler tension pulley looks better placed and looks to be manually adjustable. Not sure if the flux one is spring loaded to keep belt tension. If so that may be the cause too.
Time will tell if Wahoo have nailed it.
Lindsay Cripps I guess but I rather stay with my neo simpler design and more reliable
Hey Shane. Came across this maintenance video for the Wahoo Kickr 2018 czcams.com/video/ZPKiVipm54E/video.html Just wanted to get your thoughts. Safe to go ahead with these steps? Thanks a lot
One to bounce off Wahoo Support. I've gotten myself in trouble with companies before showing people how to do similar things/hacks.... so I'll keep clear of commenting on this for now.
Hi GPLama. Recently there are number of people who bought the new 2018 kickr are experiencing clicking and grinding noises. For reference czcams.com/video/g9mE7gDfJBQ/video.html. I hope you could address the issue and inform the public about it.
See my latest Lama Drives. This is up to Wahoo to address. I haven’t encountered any issues.
My 2018 Wahoo Kickr died only after 10 months and 2,600 miles. I am so pissed, such a waste of money. I am waiting on company response. ERG won't hold power and it is making this loud noise (sounds like my 98 Camaro's exhaust)!
Link: czcams.com/video/mbM1oI5UZS8/video.html
I DO NOT recommend Wahoo Kickr
Not ideal. It’ll be covered by warranty.
Yes! Now to upgrade from V1 finally.