I feel like we have topped out on the high end trainers, unless something out of the box is developed we are just having minimal change for the sense of change at this point. Nothing earth shattering, I think the real break through is when they can hit Kickr functionality at Zwift hub price points.
Great video. I am glad I picked up a new KICKR v5 for €999 in the spring. The new and more expensive version does not offer new features that interest me.
@DC Rainmaker, on the noise shot (8:43) it looks like your chain is too long. The rear derailleur is fully retracted and the bottom of the chain is sagging a bit.
Second this, I think the prior version selling for $100 off is a better deal than v6 at a higher price point. TBH, everyone has a trainer at +/-2% or better that is quiet so I don't see a reason to be brand loyal right now.
Yep - I'm sure the release of the Zwift trainer came too late to change anything about this release. You could argue they are aimed at different market segments but we'll see.
@@handlebard I agree they are aimed at slightly different markets (you can’t use the Zwift trainer for Zwift sanctioned races) but given it is less than half the price and Ray got very good (+/-1 to 2%) on the trainer the Zwift bike is made from, the “market” may not be that differentiated. 😉
Surprised they've not just built in the direct connect and added an rj45 port for those wanting cables not WiFi. Still charging for the dongle seems silly.
@ dc rainmaker, your thoughts on the tacx neo downhill feature vs the wahoo kickr not having it. do you feel like its a deal breaker of sorts? i really like everything else about the kickr, but that downhill feature may be a better option for someone wanting to train 40ish miles
Hi Ray, great video as always. However, the lack of innovation that is delivered with this "new" product is astonishing. Same goes for the "new" Kickr Bike. They should have called this the Kickr V 5.1. 😎
Great Vídeo. your reviews are always amazing. will you reviews the New kickr bike v2? Also, do you have any info if TACX will release a New version of the tacx neo smart bike anytime soon? thank you and cheers from Portugal
I/m looking to get a bike to do my workouts at home..Looking at Kaiser M3i, Concept 2 Ergbike, Rogue Echo or even Peloton ... but I would rather not, because I don't want a subscription. Now I found this Wahoo product. Should I go with any of the bikes I listed or buy a real bike and pair it with the kicker core? What's the advantage of doing that? If any ... It's worth to mention that I don't ride a regular bike.
hey Ray, I don’t see a Watch on your wrist. What are you using as your daily driver these days? Curious to see your review on the Apple Ultra Watch later this year. Love your reviews and always look forward to them.
Question. I have the kickr6 and I have it connected to Wi-Fi, all good. I use Zwift on my iPhone connected to the same Wi-Fi network. Should I see the kickr show up as Bluetooth and Ethernet (Wi-Fi) when connecting in Zwift? Right now, only the Bluetooth connection shows up. No option for Wi-Fi.
Does this include the improved axle adapters that are compatible with various Trek, Giant and Cervelo bikes that the previous version would interfere with the frame? They ended up provided free alternatives, but people who didn't realise damaged their frames.
I can get a new Wahoo Kickr V5 at my local bike shop (had some stock left) for 700 euro (= 786 dollar). Would i chose the V5 or do you say go for the V6 (1300 euro which is almost the double in price)?
Just got this but it has problems with wifi dropouts... It happens maybe 1-2times/hour of riding in zwift and its really annoying... dropsout for about 10-20s and then it starts working again. Anyone else have this problem? Hope they fix it with some kind of firmware update or so! Otherwise this trainer is really good!!
I bought a V1 kickr bike recently and my problem was with the Bluetooth connection dropping every few seconds and connecting back for a few seconds. I had Wahoo send a replacement. The replacement works great. I feel their current stock has issues with the hardware used to build them. You may want to call Wahoo and talk to them about a possible replacement.
Yep, same problem here. Wahoo have acknowledged the problem and obviously blaming zwift update. I bought a dircon adapter and the same thing happens so save your money! Also drops out on BT too but not for as long as wifi. Going back to my 2018 until they fix it
Hello DC Rainmaker, i have a question. Have you any problems with the v6 when connected with wifi to zwift? I have the problem, the connection lost to zwift. The blue (bluetooth?) lamp flashes. So i must paused the workout and reconnect the pairing in zwift.
Had 2 kickr cores fail (bearing failure/loud noises) i just got the 2nd one replaced with a kickr v6 and got it set up last weekend. I thought the wifi inclusion was abit odd but this feature is amazing, and makes me wonder why no one else has done it
@@Dcrainmaker Dream: my "old" Neo upgraded to 10 Hz for free. Garmin should develop it (Tacx needs innovation). On paper should be feasible because is software update on same hardware.
The odometer feature is brilliant but I do wonder how easy it would be to trick it with firmware shenanigans? Everything else is pretty meh except the review which is awesome as always.
Hi Ray ...want to start indoor training this winter...Tacx neo 2t with motion plates or Wahoo kickr v6 ? ...more or less same price ... Is this a decision you can help me with?
Thanks for the review Ray. You hit points Shane didn't. Plus you had a different angle of approach to the products. This is why I watch both of your reviews.
Hi, So I've just gotten my 2nd kickr. I went from a 2016 to a V6 a couple of weeks ago. I've also had a single side stages power meter and now have a double sided power meter. That's the background. So I'm on a V6 model Kickr with a L\R stages. Do you know why the Kickr always shows ~20-30 watts less then my stages? I thought it might be the drivetrain but this is still a lot and it's always been this way, with every set combination?
Hmm, that's indeed a fairly big deviation - especially for an LR model (which, is usually pretty good). One thing to look at is whether or not there's a big skew to the left or right side. When I'm doing analysis of data sets, and see weirdness, I'll look at the Left/Right overlay chart within the DCR Analyzer, which helps to identify cases where the left or right side of the power meter is really wonky compared to teh total power of the trainer. You can grab a day pass (with three sets) here: www.dcrainmaker.com/analyzer
@@Dcrainmaker But it also requires another power lead... 🤔 The taxc can operate without? without adding 3rd party accessories like the Climb or Fan etc... does the kickr have any advantages? (other than price)
They have a new adapter package you can buy to make most of the Trek bikes compatible, and that also opens up the v5 as an option in case you want to save some money.
No video of the non-drive side of the flywheel. Is the non-drive side of the flywheel open, to allow attachment of a speed sensor magnet near the hub (to work with my Specialized Creo e-bike)? Thanks, Bill
Hi there Ray (and all), what would you recommend as an entry level smart trainer in 2022? I'm guessing the Kickr Core - seems to be around $1150 here in Canada. I'm a fitness newbie and really anxious about keeping my training going through the harsh Canadian winter. I'll be mounting my mid-fat trail hardtail bike for the time being until I can afford a road bike - hopefully next year. Thanks for anyone who has thoughts. Love the channel!
I've been thinking about that as well recently in the run up to winter. I think I'm going to go for the Zwift hub as it's only £450 in the UK and seems to be very reasonable. I would be interested to know what other peoples views on the best entry level smart trainer would be as well.
@@leerobinson6448 The Zwift Hub does look like a good option save for it not being out for a month or so. Although for the price, it may be worth the wait - less than half the cost of a Saris H3 here in Canada and of course less than half of the Wahoo Kickr Core.
Just a heads up, I tried my mountain bike (1x12 32 front chain ring 11-50t rear) and in the hardest gear i was pedaling way too fast to keep up with c racing group. I luckily found a 2012 specialized secteur bike that works out perfect.
@@bm4122 Thanks for the info!! Seems like best case scenario to find a dedicated bike to save you having to pull it on/off every time you want to do a Zwift ride. I'm not in the worlds best shape, though, so maybe I'll be able to suffer through until I can afford something. Lol.
I'm still confused. I'm in the market for a new trainer. First I was like, the Elite Justo seems nice with the sensor bridging, but no wifi. Let's wait a bit. Now, there is the new Kickr with wifi but no sensor bridging. Thinking about it, I don't need any of this, since I'm using an iPad for Zwift and will probably not change it anytime soon. It's just the tech geek in me striving for the newest tech available. But then, it's not worth spending the extra 3-400€ for the V6 when I can get a V5 for
Not the same features if you look at them all. Kickr has WiFi+ Direct + 3x BLE connection options, 16lb flywheel vs 10lb, motion feet vs rigid, 1% vs 2.5% accuracy, autocalibration, folding frame with carry handle vs not, adjustable axle height for different bikes and/or rider bike angle preference, are the ones that jump out to me.
Did I miss it or did you forget to mentioned the price increase? I think they should have kept the price the same and removed the 11 speed Shimano cassette
Turning bluetooth on on my laptop is always a lottery. Sometimes it works just fine, sometimes it's a dumpster fire and it takes wifi down with it. Seemingly the manufacturer couldn't be bothered to put a semi-decent BT module in a 2kEUR laptop. So the inclusion of WiFi is highly welcomed. I am VERY happy with my Suito, but when I replace it, this will probably be the one I will go for.
Still no proper side sway as in the Neo. But much better road feel especially at low cadence & high power, in my Neo 2T I can feel the magnets and it feels horrible on Alp de Zwift compared to a Kickr. Have you ever compared such a case?
The Axis feet provide roughly as much movement as the minimal "flex" seen in the Neo trainers. Many people don't even realize that the Neo's have that hidden feature, since Tacx rarely highlights it. If you want more motion than either of those trainers, a thicker mat is a start or you can step to some form of rocker plate at varying ranges of motion.
Would be nice if anyone can pointing out problems with upgrade the firmware with samsung mobile phones and android 13. The kickr v6 comes with a firmware version that is not able to connect to Wi-Fi. This is more than disgusting and unbelievable for a product that claims this functionality
until a company can come out with a 'smart' trainer which can run zwift, trainer road and all the other apps automatically without a need of a phone, apple tv, computer, etc.. then it wont be relevant all these models coming up. Get on it ! which ever company can do it first they will sell out the most. Have it all built in like smart tv with amazon prime, netflix, disney+ etc.
Anyone who interrupts my training ride is a ding-dong. It's obviously a better device than the new Zwift trainer, but 3.5x the better (based on price difference)?
Connecting your bike to a trainer absolutely sucks. It is and has always been the worst experience. I've had every Kickr and Tacx trainer and they all suck and are nothing but compromise. Get a Kickr Bike or a Stages SB20 instead.
WiFi updates is just a secondary benefit. The greater one and primary purpose of WiFi is more stable and reliable connection vs ANT+/BLE that lead to dropouts for plenty of people.
Good to know my kicker ‘17 that I got for 1080$ new is still basically the same unit with more noise.
Doesnt have wifi
I feel like we have topped out on the high end trainers, unless something out of the box is developed we are just having minimal change for the sense of change at this point. Nothing earth shattering, I think the real break through is when they can hit Kickr functionality at Zwift hub price points.
Given the price of bikes these days, if I were tacx, I wouldn't lower my pricing on high end models.
This update actually makes me appreciate my Kicker 5(2020) more.
Whys that?
Wonder how long it takes until somebody develops a program to roll back the mileage on the odometer
Great video. I am glad I picked up a new KICKR v5 for €999 in the spring. The new and more expensive version does not offer new features that interest me.
@DC Rainmaker, on the noise shot (8:43) it looks like your chain is too long. The rear derailleur is fully retracted and the bottom of the chain is sagging a bit.
Be interesting to see how the market responds with Zwift’s $500 trainer vs the Wahoo $100 increase.
Second this, I think the prior version selling for $100 off is a better deal than v6 at a higher price point. TBH, everyone has a trainer at +/-2% or better that is quiet so I don't see a reason to be brand loyal right now.
I third this…intro-ing more expensive models is the opposite of what the market is being driven to do.
Yep - I'm sure the release of the Zwift trainer came too late to change anything about this release. You could argue they are aimed at different market segments but we'll see.
100%
@@handlebard I agree they are aimed at slightly different markets (you can’t use the Zwift trainer for Zwift sanctioned races) but given it is less than half the price and Ray got very good (+/-1 to 2%) on the trainer the Zwift bike is made from, the “market” may not be that differentiated. 😉
WaHoo following Apples modest updates and charging a premium. Im sticking to Version 5 with wired network adapter.
Exactly.. I would still just hardwire V6 if I had it. So glad I got the V5 discounted and haven’t looked back.
Surprised they've not just built in the direct connect and added an rj45 port for those wanting cables not WiFi. Still charging for the dongle seems silly.
You and Shane within seconds of each other
Embargo on when they can post stuff... I'm sure they upload with a scheduled posting time
@ dc rainmaker, your thoughts on the tacx neo downhill feature vs the wahoo kickr not having it. do you feel like its a deal breaker of sorts? i really like everything else about the kickr, but that downhill feature may be a better option for someone wanting to train 40ish miles
I’d love to be able to use the WiFi for connections but disable auto updates. The idea of a bad update bricking my equipment is a no-go.
Yeah I'm sick of my apple phone getting bricked all the time.
The best KICKR in 2022 is the V5 on a discount.
Should I wait for the upgrade this fall or buy now?
No reason the v5 could not get easy erg mode and the odometer.
When can we expect the full Kickr Bike V2 review?
Danke für deine Videos.
Welcher Trainer ist aus deiner Sicht besser, der Wahoo Kickr oder der Tacx Neo 2t?
Beste Grüße aus Deutschland
Wi-Fi connectivity, if it’s as simple as that, looks very clever. Still think I can hear your creaking seat post!
Great video and may I ask, What is the brand of the mat you are using below the Kickr and where can I get one?
Hi Ray, great video as always. However, the lack of innovation that is delivered with this "new" product is astonishing. Same goes for the "new" Kickr Bike. They should have called this the Kickr V 5.1. 😎
I'm waiting for the next gen spoon. Surely there's some MAJOR advancements that can be made still.
Great Vídeo. your reviews are always amazing. will you reviews the New kickr bike v2?
Also, do you have any info if TACX will release a New version of the tacx neo smart bike anytime soon? thank you and cheers from Portugal
I/m looking to get a bike to do my workouts at home..Looking at Kaiser M3i, Concept 2 Ergbike, Rogue Echo or even Peloton ... but I would rather not, because I don't want a subscription. Now I found this Wahoo product. Should I go with any of the bikes I listed or buy a real bike and pair it with the kicker core? What's the advantage of doing that? If any ... It's worth to mention that I don't ride a regular bike.
Great review as always Ray!
Great review. Thank you
Looking at buying a trainer would
You still pick the tacx neo 2 over this trainer?
hey Ray, I don’t see a Watch on your wrist. What are you using as your daily driver these days? Curious to see your review on the Apple Ultra Watch later this year. Love your reviews and always look forward to them.
Question. I have the kickr6 and I have it connected to Wi-Fi, all good. I use Zwift on my iPhone connected to the same Wi-Fi network. Should I see the kickr show up as Bluetooth and Ethernet (Wi-Fi) when connecting in Zwift? Right now, only the Bluetooth connection shows up. No option for Wi-Fi.
Does this include the improved axle adapters that are compatible with various Trek, Giant and Cervelo bikes that the previous version would interfere with the frame? They ended up provided free alternatives, but people who didn't realise damaged their frames.
does this trainer have to be plugged to an ac outlet to work?
I can get a new Wahoo Kickr V5 at my local bike shop (had some stock left) for 700 euro (= 786 dollar). Would i chose the V5 or do you say go for the V6 (1300 euro which is almost the double in price)?
How many app's can connect at the same time via Direct Connect and/or WiFi for V5 and V6?
What adapter do I need to buy if my bike has a Shimano 105 7100 12 speed cassette?
Doesn’t the 11 spd cassette work with Campy 11 shifters?
Will the kicker 5 or 6 work with my Garmin Edge 530?
Just on the day I'm considering buying a trainer!
What Canyon bicycle is mr. Rainmaker riding?
What table or stand are you using?
Just got this but it has problems with wifi dropouts... It happens maybe 1-2times/hour of riding in zwift and its really annoying... dropsout for about 10-20s and then it starts working again. Anyone else have this problem? Hope they fix it with some kind of firmware update or so! Otherwise this trainer is really good!!
I bought a V1 kickr bike recently and my problem was with the Bluetooth connection dropping every few seconds and connecting back for a few seconds. I had Wahoo send a replacement. The replacement works great. I feel their current stock has issues with the hardware used to build them. You may want to call Wahoo and talk to them about a possible replacement.
@@RahulSingh-wv4hc alright. well i think im gonna stick with it and try the bluetoogh and ant+ first, and maybe the dongle! :d
Yep, same problem here. Wahoo have acknowledged the problem and obviously blaming zwift update. I bought a dircon adapter and the same thing happens so save your money! Also drops out on BT too but not for as long as wifi. Going back to my 2018 until they fix it
@@sirtristanlongworth Wow... really hope they will fix it then!
What cycling app is being used in this video?
Can someone explain to me why the WiFi is a big deal? Can I use that with Apple TV?
Hi, what’s the app you’re using at 1:55? ROUVY?
Hello DC Rainmaker, i have a question. Have you any problems with the v6 when connected with wifi to zwift? I have the problem, the connection lost to zwift. The blue (bluetooth?) lamp flashes. So i must paused the workout and reconnect the pairing in zwift.
Blind trainer test next video confirmed
Had 2 kickr cores fail (bearing failure/loud noises) i just got the 2nd one replaced with a kickr v6 and got it set up last weekend. I thought the wifi inclusion was abit odd but this feature is amazing, and makes me wonder why no one else has done it
Are bearings serviceable on those things?
@@pierrex3226 technically yes, but practically by the end user, not so much
@@Niculwmusic it’s the east as pie to swap out the bearings and they’re cheap
Best news will be if wahoo lower their pricing 😊
Thank you
10Hz update? Nothing about that?
This video was released Sept 2022. Wahoo announced race mode in Feb 2023, via update.
@@Dcrainmaker Dream: my "old" Neo upgraded to 10 Hz for free. Garmin should develop it (Tacx needs innovation). On paper should be feasible because is software update on same hardware.
Bravo!!!!Honest review!
Does anyone know if the 2019 Canyon Ultimate with rim breaks is finally compatible?
Still marked as incompatible on wahoo website -_-
but seems DC Rainmaker made it work?
What's the app on screen at 2:29?
Great review, but man you gotta tidy up that pegboard
Can you make a video about new Wahoo bike?
Yup! Should be out in the next day or two.
So really there is no real need to upgrade at the moment.
I still have my kickr 4 and other than the occasional spin down, not worth ponying up more money. Can't justify $1k+ every few years.
The odometer feature is brilliant but I do wonder how easy it would be to trick it with firmware shenanigans? Everything else is pretty meh except the review which is awesome as always.
I have created a 'bike' in Strava for my trainer and it tracks exactly how many hours and distance I did.
@@bastiaangaillard7682 I just wonder how easy it is to move the odometer value on the physical trainer in case of a sale for example.
Hi Ray ...want to start indoor training this winter...Tacx neo 2t with motion plates or Wahoo kickr v6 ? ...more or less same price ... Is this a decision you can help me with?
I am in the same situation now - What did you go for ? I need it mainly for the summer here in Dubai
Is it really worth to buy the v6 just because of the WiFi? I don't have ethernet connection at home either...
Not really
Thanks for the review Ray. You hit points Shane didn't. Plus you had a different angle of approach to the products. This is why I watch both of your reviews.
What’d I miss?
@@gplama your review was more technical. Ray's was more should you buy and went deeper into the what's new over version 5.
Hi, So I've just gotten my 2nd kickr. I went from a 2016 to a V6 a couple of weeks ago. I've also had a single side stages power meter and now have a double sided power meter. That's the background. So I'm on a V6 model Kickr with a L\R stages. Do you know why the Kickr always shows ~20-30 watts less then my stages? I thought it might be the drivetrain but this is still a lot and it's always been this way, with every set combination?
Hmm, that's indeed a fairly big deviation - especially for an LR model (which, is usually pretty good). One thing to look at is whether or not there's a big skew to the left or right side. When I'm doing analysis of data sets, and see weirdness, I'll look at the Left/Right overlay chart within the DCR Analyzer, which helps to identify cases where the left or right side of the power meter is really wonky compared to teh total power of the trainer. You can grab a day pass (with three sets) here: www.dcrainmaker.com/analyzer
@@Dcrainmaker Thanks.. I'll try and get some data to compare..
What is the Kickr like for quick assembly and pack-away compared to the tacx neo? I need to setup and pack away for each training ride..
It’s a wash. Though, the kickr does have a handle, so that makes it slightly easier to move around.
@@Dcrainmaker But it also requires another power lead... 🤔 The taxc can operate without? without adding 3rd party accessories like the Climb or Fan etc... does the kickr have any advantages? (other than price)
Do the 2020/2021 trek models (madone/emonda) still not fit?
They have a new adapter package you can buy to make most of the Trek bikes compatible, and that also opens up the v5 as an option in case you want to save some money.
I noticed you’ve been wearing the oura ring lately. Just trying new features or using it daily for personal use?
No video of the non-drive side of the flywheel. Is the non-drive side of the flywheel open, to allow attachment of a speed sensor magnet near the hub (to work with my Specialized Creo e-bike)? Thanks, Bill
If they made the Kickr backwards compatible or uogradeable there would be no need for the odometer
I just got my kickr yesterday just my luck haha
Return it
Or keep it, no Wi-Fi but $100 cheaper 😊
@@toadlguy for the $100 I would just spend it and the get the latest and greatest.
@@toadlguy for the $100 I would just spend it and the get the latest and greatest.
Honestly I dont have an issue with Bluetooth connection . If you have issues then return and get the new one.
Hi there Ray (and all), what would you recommend as an entry level smart trainer in 2022? I'm guessing the Kickr Core - seems to be around $1150 here in Canada. I'm a fitness newbie and really anxious about keeping my training going through the harsh Canadian winter. I'll be mounting my mid-fat trail hardtail bike for the time being until I can afford a road bike - hopefully next year. Thanks for anyone who has thoughts. Love the channel!
I've been thinking about that as well recently in the run up to winter. I think I'm going to go for the Zwift hub as it's only £450 in the UK and seems to be very reasonable. I would be interested to know what other peoples views on the best entry level smart trainer would be as well.
@@leerobinson6448 The Zwift Hub does look like a good option save for it not being out for a month or so. Although for the price, it may be worth the wait - less than half the cost of a Saris H3 here in Canada and of course less than half of the Wahoo Kickr Core.
Just a heads up, I tried my mountain bike (1x12 32 front chain ring 11-50t rear) and in the hardest gear i was pedaling way too fast to keep up with c racing group. I luckily found a 2012 specialized secteur bike that works out perfect.
@@bm4122 Thanks for the info!! Seems like best case scenario to find a dedicated bike to save you having to pull it on/off every time you want to do a Zwift ride. I'm not in the worlds best shape, though, so maybe I'll be able to suffer through until I can afford something. Lol.
Zwift hub is the new entry level (yet the trainer is far from entry level)
Is the easy erg mode thing considered cheating in Zwift?
Your ATV has rider shadows??
ignore me - it appears to a reflection on your TV
I'm still confused. I'm in the market for a new trainer. First I was like, the Elite Justo seems nice with the sensor bridging, but no wifi. Let's wait a bit. Now, there is the new Kickr with wifi but no sensor bridging. Thinking about it, I don't need any of this, since I'm using an iPad for Zwift and will probably not change it anytime soon. It's just the tech geek in me striving for the newest tech available. But then, it's not worth spending the extra 3-400€ for the V6 when I can get a V5 for
Triple the price of the new Zwift coming early October. Same features.
Not the same features if you look at them all. Kickr has WiFi+ Direct + 3x BLE connection options, 16lb flywheel vs 10lb, motion feet vs rigid, 1% vs 2.5% accuracy, autocalibration, folding frame with carry handle vs not, adjustable axle height for different bikes and/or rider bike angle preference, are the ones that jump out to me.
Did I miss it or did you forget to mentioned the price increase? I think they should have kept the price the same and removed the 11 speed Shimano cassette
Turning bluetooth on on my laptop is always a lottery. Sometimes it works just fine, sometimes it's a dumpster fire and it takes wifi down with it. Seemingly the manufacturer couldn't be bothered to put a semi-decent BT module in a 2kEUR laptop. So the inclusion of WiFi is highly welcomed.
I am VERY happy with my Suito, but when I replace it, this will probably be the one I will go for.
Still no proper side sway as in the Neo. But much better road feel especially at low cadence & high power, in my Neo 2T I can feel the magnets and it feels horrible on Alp de Zwift compared to a Kickr. Have you ever compared such a case?
The Axis feet provide roughly as much movement as the minimal "flex" seen in the Neo trainers. Many people don't even realize that the Neo's have that hidden feature, since Tacx rarely highlights it. If you want more motion than either of those trainers, a thicker mat is a start or you can step to some form of rocker plate at varying ranges of motion.
need to clean the chain😅
Would be nice if anyone can pointing out problems with upgrade the firmware with samsung mobile phones and android 13. The kickr v6 comes with a firmware version that is not able to connect to Wi-Fi. This is more than disgusting and unbelievable for a product that claims this functionality
until a company can come out with a 'smart' trainer which can run zwift, trainer road and all the other apps automatically without a need of a phone, apple tv, computer, etc.. then it wont be relevant all these models coming up. Get on it ! which ever company can do it first they will sell out the most. Have it all built in like smart tv with amazon prime, netflix, disney+ etc.
100 € more for a wifi? What a world we live in...
Too expensive for the new market
Hard pass, battery life sucks, I can use my Garmin without charging for OH WAIT, wrong video, sorry.
Anyone who interrupts my training ride is a ding-dong.
It's obviously a better device than the new Zwift trainer, but 3.5x the better (based on price difference)?
100 bucks more for a Wi-Fi light lol
Connecting your bike to a trainer absolutely sucks. It is and has always been the worst experience. I've had every Kickr and Tacx trainer and they all suck and are nothing but compromise. Get a Kickr Bike or a Stages SB20 instead.
I'm sure we'd all love a trainer bike but that requires dedicated space and is double or triple the cost, this Wahoo bike is cost of a decent bike
Wtf. I’ve never had a problem putting quick release aluminum and thru axle carbon frames on my kickr
Adding wifi for 2-3 firmware updates… not worth IMHO…
WiFi updates is just a secondary benefit. The greater one and primary purpose of WiFi is more stable and reliable connection vs ANT+/BLE that lead to dropouts for plenty of people.