Ex-CIA Officer Speaks Out: The Italian Job
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- Sabrina De Sousa is one of nearly two-dozen CIA officers who was prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced by Italian courts in absentia in 2009 for the role she allegedly played in the rendition of a radical cleric named Abu Omar. It was the first and only criminal prosecution that has ever taken place related to the CIA's rendition program, which involved more than 100 suspected terrorists and the assistance of dozens of European countries.
But De Sousa, a dual US and Portuguese citizen, said she had nothing to do with the cleric's abduction and has been wrongly accused. For the past decade, she has been on a global quest to clear her name. VICE News met up with De Sousa in Lisbon, Portugal--and other key figures connected to the case--for an exclusive interview about the steps she's now taking in an effort to hold the CIA accountable for one of the most notorious counterterrorism operations in the history of the agency.
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She wasn't given enough information because of situations like this...CIA are not stupid
"Not Stupid" Just Evil!
Rivers Bliss 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mgtowrules1649 exactly!
But they are heartless!
Rivers Bliss
Not stupid, but Brennan very dangerous, vindictive, and corrupt. Today, he's a regular on MSM as a crediable guest. He makes claims, as a former CIA leader, that lends weight to what he says. He lies and slanders POTUS. He's caught up in the spygate case to unseat a duly elected President Trump. He and James Clapper are alike in many ways. Clapper was also a frequent MSM guest. CNN, MSNBC apparently don't care who's peddling their stories. 💞🇺🇸🎈🎈🎈
you have to admire their devotion to bending the truth. it's not kidnapping, it's "extraordinary rendition". it's not extortion, it's "taxation". etc etc
I'm diggin your profile pic.. Spy vs Spy..! Mad Max days.. :)
Who are you. Tell me more
All are products of Rome and the British Crown Royal re-branded for the ignorant masses of 21st Century Slavery!
@/ It's not 'murder.' It's 'Manual Manipulation of Cessation of Respiration.' *lol*
💯% lmaoof 😂.
"Should you or any of your associates be caught or killed, the agency will disavow any knowledge of you."
But you don't disavow any knowledge of the agency.
Chill T.F.O Tom Cruise.
...yes. Mission: Impossible is a _great_ source of information about real world politics.
Tawdry Hepburn nope, that's what the gov does with the SAC. if any agent is compromised, the government denies any knowledge of them
lol ok and yet you know this fact. That checks out.
Another classic case of the CIA and British intelligence dropping their agents like hot potatoes is related by Colin Berry in his book "The Deniable Agent - Undercover in Afghanistan. "
Hahahaha am sorry to laugh but it’s true poor guys and gals
She got what she signed up for 🤷🏼♂️ Pretty crazy to work for a global terror agency and expect them to go about it with some kind of honor.
the CIA double-cross her. I’m shocked, shocked, i tell you!
Lmmao
@Saeed Mustapha when u work for white goverment
😠
Well, that's what it's all about. Plausible deniability and what John Le Carré called the "dark arts of the double-cross". That's what she signed up for, whether she appreciated that fact or not.
Both parents and most of my family did to. So is still don't make you special
Jorge Gomez😀😁😂
CIA be acting like terrorists.......oh wait, they are
+erik nyjdam Haha, it's ironic, right? They try to "stop" terrorists, when in reality, they support, fund, and create them.
Crooks In Action
+erik nyjdam Absolutely they are and always have been.
+erik nyjdam CIA kidnapped a terrorist.
+bigmedge
Whilst in turn creating and funding deathsquads in Central America or South America or helping "rebels" in Syria/Libya. Or Fiddling with drugs.
"because they relentlessly slaughter subhuman terrorist " Lol this made me chuckle too much. Its almost as if your blind to what they actually do. Ignorance is bliss eh?
C.I.A AKA Cocaine importing Agency.
1st mistake was getting involved with the CIA. 2nd mistake was getting caught in your operation
damn why would anyone want to work for them anyway
Third mistake is fighting this case agains't the CIA.
By the regular police!
she got caught! she knew the risk!!!!
BECAUSE OF CIA,THE WORLD IS MORE SAFER PLACE NOW,CARING OUT ALL THESE COVERT ACTIONS WHICH LEAD TO THE CAPTURE AND TAKE DOWN OF MANY JIHADIST AND TERRORISTS AND THERE BY STOPPING MANY TERROR ATTACKS WHICH THEY WERE PLANING TO CARRY OUT IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE WORLD IN THE NAME OF JIHAD AND ALLAH.THOR WORK SAVED MANY LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD SO INSTEAD OF CRITICIZING WE ALL MUST BE THANKFUL TO THEM.MAY GOD BLESS US
***Spoiler Alert!***
2009: She was convicted of kidnapping for her role in the Imam rapito affair on November 4, 2009 by an Italian court, after a trial in absentia and a plea of not guilty.
2015: A European Arrest Warrant valid throughout Europe was subsequently issued for her arrest, and she was arrested in Portugal under that arrest warrant in 2015.
2016: In January 2016, she was ordered extradited to Italy, although that order will be appealed.
2016: On April 11, 2016, the Portuguese Supreme Court upheld De Sousa's extradition.
2017: In an email to the Associated Press De Souza's lawyers wrote that Portuguese authorities took her into custody on February 20, 2017, and that she would be transferred to Italian custody within a few days.
2017: On February 28, 2017, the New York Times reported that, Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, had commuted De Sousa's sentence, to just three years.
BooyaJoe! Thank you for saving me 22 minutes 👍🏾
I second Conrad. Thanks, man. She comes across as a mediocre liar, and when she said "where is the evidence" I thought perhaps she is a low-grade highly-motivated fall-guy. The agency needs to muddy up the waters, and she does an excellent job of it.
Thanks
In fact Mattarella is a corrupt piece of sh*t.
2023 update??
Trying to drum up sympathy for someone who works for an organization that actively works to overthrow governments and plunge nations in chaos isn't going to work.
u must be a Cia agent
+s0nnyburnett
It will work if she is able to prove she was framed.
+l prove it.
+s0nnyburnett The CIA is still not the best but it isn't the same today as what it was in the 70s and 80s.
+l irrefutable evidence that would stand up in a court
That is how the devil pays his servants
CIA are the agent of illuminati
exactly the CIA officers at the highest levels will throw anyone under the bus. It's a dirty profession. Most counter intelligence communities around the world operate in darkness. Shady as hell. The devil is always in the details. The lines are blurred between what is moral and immoral.
If You continue to cry...You show how Stupid You Are, so You deserve it.
My momma said comments about the devil are the devil mister!
@@babydolldees6657 momma is not always right. but mommas cooking usually is
This is reminiscent of the most frightening book I've read : Taxi to the Dark Side. The fact that The Agency had a massive rendition program at work is one thing, the fact that (and this is the case far too often) the bigger players can't or won't simply admit or concede any failure or errors is pretty diplorable and leaves agents on the front lines, doing the hard work, with their necks out - not the best way to recruit future agents or curtail the poor worldwide opinion of America and it's operations...
To clear up a few things, one CIA is one of the largest criminal/terrorist organizations on the planet. If something has all the characteristics of a donkey and does all the things a donkey does, yet calls itself a bald eagle, it's STILL a mother f-in donkey. Sadly, naive people still fall for the good guy (bald eagle) b.s.just because it's a governmental organization. Now think about this. Former CIA field agent John Kiriakou was also a recruiter for CIA. Do you know what he said was one of the main characteristics he said recruiters are trained to look for when deciding who to recruit to the agency? Get a load of this: The potential recruit has to show narcissistic and sociopathic traits before they're recruited. I mean think about that. REALLY think about that. He said a very small percentage will do it out of patriotism. Most do it for the rush, the power, and the game/sport of it (like narcissists and sociopaths). Now REALLY think about that. One of, if not THE most powerful government entities is FILLED with narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths who could care less about patriotism. If you think CIA give a flying F**K about America's image, you're one of those people calling that donkey a 'bald eagle' still. And they will have no problem with recruiting as long as there is narcissists and sociopaths in the world. But what happens when narcissists and sociopaths have all the power, and are beholden to NO ONE?? Well, that's when you get one of the most evil criminal and terrorist organizations on the planet...like it is. Do not get it twisted. CIA is NOT your friend. They're NO ONE'S friend and they're NO COUNTRY'S servants. They're their own gang of the worst, most malignant personality types with the most vile, conniving, manipulating, sick, depraved, destructive and disgusting behavioral disorders on the planet. They literally have absolutely ZERO redeeming value on the planet and are the ACTUAL SOURCE for at least 90% of the worlds problems. It's a f**kin donkey dude...not a bald eagle. Doesn't matter how many flags and patriotism speeches it's wrapped in. It always was, and always will be, a f-in donkey. The world would be done one of it's biggest favors--in the entire history of all humanity--if the entire staff of CIA dropped dead. F**k those lowlife, parasitic pieces of s**t. And on that note, in this specific case, do I feel sorry for any agent/officer who the CIA throws under the bus?? Hell no! F em! They got what the garbage deserved. You're going to join an organization of lying, manipulating, destructive dirtbags and then cry foul when they lie and manipulate to destroy you??? Think of the insanity of that (il)logic. Plus, she's clearly one herself if she joined them. Why is it that when a group of criminal narcissistic, socio/psychopaths throw one of their own under the bus, no one bats an eyelash? But simply put a small American flag pin on the lapel of those criminals and give 'em a snazzy three letter abbreviated acronym for a name(label) and suddenly everyone loses their sh*t? Dafuq out of here! Wake up!! It's a DONKEY dude. ... A donkey.
Lol, what did you think the CIA does?.... “we lied, we cheat, we stole” ... and you thought you were going to get a medal? 😂
Hell broad when u sign up with the CIA it ain't like punching a time clock,
The irony is also... Everything the CIA does is illegal, yet, she still argues that a man who had done nothing illegal, she even admits there was NO evidence against him, should be treated as a criminal or even exterminated?
Come on, she and her former employers are the true criminals!
The other irony is... She was absolutely fine with some individuals' names being put on a list, and ended up herself on a list. :D
I love it!
That’s why CIA operatives have code names 😳
shame on you ok
She does not come across as a sympathetic character. At all. Anyone who works for the government, not just the US Government, but ANY government (much less the CIA) should not be the least bit surprised when they get hung out to dry.
SUPERDUPERJIMBO We need to change the saying fall guy, to a fall gal.
@@alvaroakatico9188 What about people who do good like people who work in the medical field?
THAT EXACTLY is what makes her story stink like week-old dead fish. How can an ex-station-chief talk like that & act all shocked. She talks like a civilian who got coached. She is blatantly playing a role, in a very amateur fashion.
Dumbo I just replied to someone else calling her a fall-guy. (Psych.) I would change it to "Patsy" but that one's loaded, too.
Portugal is beautiful, interesting she is a dual Portuguese,US citizen yet her family hails from India. Assuming colonial ties ?
+TheColombiano89 Yes from Goa.
Goa was Portuguese!
Further information:
During the independence of India, there was a big, native Indian community, that chose the Portuguese nationality, and departed from India, going the majority of them to Moçambique (back then still a part of the Portuguese empire), and some of them departed to Portugal after the full independence of the Portuguese colonies. This Portuguese Indian community, it's on the great majority: Muslim; composed of healthy merchants and business men. That are completely integrated in Portuguese community. I can give as an example the actual prime minister of Portugal, Antonio Costa, is a goese, decent.
@Yackitysmackity blahblahblah yes! For sure, some of them, still feasting from the wealth of Africa, by exploring the local people. But you can not generalize! For sure, many contribute positively to the growth of the continent, and certainly many are also victims of the system.
yeah wrong kind, and they also, sorry, should 'go back'
The CIA did as they pleaded in Italy, and they have disregarded the laws here in the USA as well. It is time their actions were scrutinized, guilty parties prosecuted, and future actions periodically reviewed by agencies like the Attorney general's office.
Main objective: don’t let vice news interview you, lol
This what these guys do,camouflage as refugees and then run the sleeper cells in host countries, that's why it's is very important to do screening carefully before granting asylum
Okay khalistani go build toilets now
I think people are just going to stop granting asylum
These innocent victims (all male and young) muslims belong to different kind of "asylums".
I like the ominous music playing in the background, during the interview segments. It really sells how scary the CIA is.
why do i feel like she's covering up something or lying? she's obviously definitely angry about her parents. is it that she's seeking revenge? something is there that she's hiding
At least she's alive and well and enjoying french wine and italian prosciutto di parma
For sure. And Portugal is nice this time of year.
If she was complicit in planning this extraction to occur in broad daylight and with traceable forms of communication then she should get jail-time for fucking up so badly. Broad fucking daylight wow.
That was some awesome journalism. Keep up the good job VICE.
When you join the corporation,you know the rules and risks involved.
true!!!
h1r0sh1 Sh4n Agreed
It's called The Company. Not the corporation. You'd never get a job.
She went on vacation the same day he was kidnapped?? Yeah she knew what was up and went there to claim ignorance if needed... Surely right??
Braca Ganon
Set up?
Cox - why not both?
Braca - don't call me Shirley.
CIA so smart they could of knows she was going on vacation and purposely done it that day. When they set up a fall guy they make sure they do it right
Speculation. This and a dollar twenty will get you on the METRO:
Damn he looks like bradley cooper.
After a wisdom teeth surgery
Darian Aiwas yayaya i noticed that too
He sure does lol
That's why you don't hire the wives of operatives to be CIA officers. She's not stupid but I would expect a CIA officer engaged in such activity to be much smarter than this. I can tell she was aware of what happened and played a role. Even admitted to being sent off to a ski resort to establish an alibi.
In the spook business there are no values attached to smart or stupid ways. All can be useful Only needed and disposable are the two kinds.
Too bad, so sad. She knew the rules.. she played the game.
She was told the rules included the Italian governments support.
Keep us updated
Her story sounds so obviously like a lie, like she rehearsed it in her head many times.
+Polycube Exactly what I was thinking. Especially if you do not bring proof of your whereabouts on Feb. 17, 2003. Or any other evidence that corroborates her position.
Exactly and my boi navy seal knew what it was when he brought up that bs ski tip excuse sounds fake as hell
LOL that doesnt mean crap!The human ability to recall the past has scientifically been proven unreliable. So when a persons credibility is based on the repeat, accurate recounting of important details, you write it down AND you memorize it! Even if you go to the police with a story, you write it down and rehearse it EVEN if YOU know you are 100 % innocent, because one small mistake, one omission of an important detail will make your story and credibility null and void and could open you to prosecution for submitting a false statement to police. If you have any evidence to the contrary(regarding Miss De Sousa's story, THEN you may have a complaint, but just because something sounds rehearsed means nothing.
She posted an update on twitter today (Sept. 6th, 2018): *Current Status: Currently serving 3 yr sentence in Italy via probation. Probation granted (in lieu of prison), on condition I don’t publish my memoir. Probation includes Community service @ fondazione San Michele Arcangelo Onlus Artena, Lazio. Other restrictions **#milanrendition*
Yea she was given a partial Pardon from the president of Italy which reduced her sentence from 4 years in prison to 3 years of probation, it also seems that Omar also came to her defense saying she should be pardoned
What is that for am condition not publishing her memoirs!?
..s t i l l covering up Italy!? !!
..huh!?
Jibberjab I guess the Italians do have her back after all. He was stopped by an Italian cop for Christ’s sake.
@leonardimas1 Salvini is fighting this ridiculous network. The EU can't afford to lose them. They're the biggest part of the EU economy. He's currently trying to break the Vatican.
Papadopoulos is tying together the loose ends of FBI and Italy - NOT Russia. Also, research Vault 7 - capability to mimic any damn entity the C..A wants to
Interesting interview, any updates?
She should have kept her mouth shut and asked for a new identity....she quits and then expects special treatment.....stupid
I hope her story is true but some of her statements are not that I would expect from a 100% innocent person.
agree completely she seemed way too shady about it all....
she's going to be killed
+l Well there is Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen. Don't think the CIA ran those guys so well.
***** Eh? Don't be ridiculous. That's kind of the whole point of being a CIA person, you know, you're *not* handled by the very people you're supposed to be spying on. Spying for the KGB is not the same thing as loyalty to the CIA.
+4tech69 She's lying through her teeth, or she's making it look like she is. The grin, the (on purpose?) evading look, a little mumbling here and there. With the amount of behavioural, psychological, mental, etc, training they go through I wouldn't be surprised if this was framed, just like the sloppy tradecraft was on purpose to. Funny that she happens to be out of country at the exact moment the mission is set to happen. I could be mistaking but one thing I'm sure of is don't take hew words for cash.
It was a mission she chose to accept, but the agency disavowed any knowledge of her actions.
She wrote the Clintons?!
The last people I would ask to help!
OMG! She wrote to Clinton??? They are criminals left and right.
They sent her a ticket to Benghazi
She's a woman. Probably far left-leaning. And Hillary probably would blindly defend her and he actions regardless of guilt or innocence.
@Kathy Mack she did and he brought her home from what i heard that's why I'm watching this...
Bingo!!! But how could she know that? She worked for CIA-so she could not see the trivial facts of reality. Only what was told.
Very informative indeed.
According to President John Adams, we are "A nation of laws, not of men." Some high ranking people such as Nixon, Cheney, and Bush believed they were above the law. I am happy for ANY government which helps us maintain the rule of law. Thank you, Italy, for keeping us on the straight and narrow.
And, as far as Ms. Sabrina De Sousa is concerned, if you play with fire.
unanimous300 Well hopefully we'll throw trump out in less than a year. He's just another Berlusconi!!!!
and if there was a terrorist attack feel free to blame the government for not taking the proper steps to defend the people.
Either way you win! Quite the stance there.
What?! America on the "straight and narrow?!" Hahahahahahaha you are unbelievably stupid. There are NO laws in America you idiot. Grow up.
@@FreedomOrNothin If there are no laws in America you did not live in any other country, believe me, dude
"Hey Abdul, move everyone to Italy, we can plan all of our attacks from there!" "Yes, even the CIA can't touch us there!!!" "And then there's the Italian FOOD...OH the Italian FOOD!"
Her statement of the proper channels enabling abusers to abuse meant to me that this is by far not the only example.
And...?
Where can I find any follow up?
What has happened subsequently?
Ex CIA? How does that work?
ok; does anybody get frustrated when at 46 sec into the video they say that Milan granted asylum to refugees which caused a home grown insurgency? this is crazy; I mean I am all for helping people but I think countries need to stay strong and united culturally and politically in order to survive, let alone thrive. and letting so many foreigners into your country, who aren't willing to assimilate into society, creates pockets of social and political and even religious disunity. So WHY are they allowing so many refugees into Europe? its only going to create a hot mess, in my opinion I think they should help them to America because the US is already a melting pot, most people not being native to the US, and they should only send those who are willing to assimilate into their home country's society. Oh I am American btw, and want to help people as much as the next guy, but you have to think about the consequences to the host countries as well.
+Blessed betheLord i have a feeling that there allowing so many refugees in to increase the threat of terrorism in order to justify more power for intelligence agencies and government in general. the military-industrial complex needs an enemy to justify there budget.
notice how she tells a true and heartfelt story, and she always looks to the bottom right to convince body language readers she's feeling genuine emotion and is being truthful, then what follows is constant masking of eye access cues by looking to the bottom right non stop. subtle convincers to appear genuine in what she is saying.
If it's really you in the profile picture..I must say...you're really hot girl!
@@TheSpynerd ...buy a magazine and some astro glide. Get over it.
Geezus.
@@lisalisa1435 that is a very good advise...here is one for you..why don't you go f*** yourself and get over it?
This third grade level sentence is edited and STILL has no relation to english grammar. Soooooo you're an idiot. @@TheSpynerd
" there is a very good advise"? wtf does that even mean? sounds just like the guy that called me from India last week. he wanted to speak to Raquel. I told him she had the number before me and I've had the number for last five years. the way he asked for my last and first name was incomprehensible. I think he asked for"good" name and my"sire"name. so I grinned and knew I was about to have some fun with this clown. I used a character name from an old, famous John Steinbeck book and movie. went right over his head. then he tells me he's from the social security agency something and he's very concerned about my social security activities. I was so struggling to contain my laughter. so I confronted him. he called looking for Raquel which is a female name, he obviously hears a deep man's from me, he only learned of my"name"2 mins ago yet the reason he called me was about his concern of my social security activity. I told him1, you didn't even know my"name"before you called, 2, you don't even know how to ask what a person's name is in English, and 3, there is no such thing as a social security agency. then I asked him, which part of India is calling from? lo and behold! his full Indian accent came out when he tried to pronounce" f_you mofo".I died laughing in his ear. he was still on so asked for how many years did he enjoy his daddy up his butt while humping the village blind goat. he repeated his attempted curse words again so I asked if he practicing his dirty talk on me because he finally married the blind goat and she loves it when he talks dirty. after I asked who smells worse, him or the goat, he hung up Lol!!!!!
You can tell she is lying when she hesitates before she talks about her ski trip.
Review the video if you don't believe me.
She somehow comes across as lying. "Where is the evidence?!" really made me rewind. I don't know any techniques for spotting visual cues beyond like hesitations or active nervousness. But my B.S. detector is pretty decent & she straight-up looks like she lying her ass off.
why is she telling? I thought being disavowed is in the job description
I always wondered about the "sloppy tradecraft" and her response to it being a result of implied consent by the Italians makes sense. So many possibilities though. Those that really know can't speak about such and therefore it is very hard to make any judgements from the outside.
@labialounge Nobody told anyone a damn thing, the USA are just used to do whatever they want and didn't expect even ONE prosecutor to make ONE investigation. Now she's pretending they always ask for consent, which is honestly frightening considering how dramatic the real situation is.
Nice work Bradley cooper..!
Any updates on this?
Get Kim Kardashian on the case..I mean Kase
lmao
good one!!!
underrated comment! 😂
@@aminata8320 LOL I totally forgot about tis comment.. 10 months Wow..
Damn i thought this was about Mini coopers :(
She's lying about something
samuel huckaby eye spy:)
Why? Because her lips are moving? She admits she feels vindicated for the things she has done over the last few years.
CIA operatives are treated I imagine as third party associates . And it has to be that way . And sometimes , SOMETIMES, ops run into eachother , and nothing can be done about it other than tightening , or loosening grips. Look at her eyes , I can tell that she’s waiting for the right question .
Portugal is so beautiful
+LusoPictures Yes it is bro.
+LusoPictures Great internet and lax if any drug laws.
+SCP-1048 Builder Bear They do have drug laws there. But its ok to have possession of a few grams. So its gone like Holland drug dealers everywhere, dealing openly.
It goes on in every country, but in Portugal now its impossible to walk down the street without being approached by drug dealers. Ya they catch people out with the fake coke. U always have to try it before u buy it, cause 9 times out of 10 its shit. Beautiful country though.
tennis addict
When you try to solve a problem you create another one :/
My humble opinion - Vice News is the jewel on the crown of what is left of real journalism. Great work!!!
All these comments really crack me up, people still think the US are the "good guys" in most of these situations.
no but how are they the bad guys in this situation? maybe the incompetent ones (though the italian intelligence might have utterly failed even without the cia intervention)
ELISA STRANGEHUMANBEING The US didn't follow the law, you shouldn't break the law to show yourself to be "good"
I know right? The entire land mass of the U.S. is a bad guy! No one gets it! The US has never done anything good for anyone, anywhere, EVER. FACT!!! I'm actually glad the US exists just so I can make myself feel superior to other sheeple who haven't realized that an entire country can be the bad guy. FACT!!💪💪💪💪
AndyBiz10 were not all blind ,however we are patriots to the death
They still dont realize
Everything this lady was touching on is all things that I’ve been saying happens for years now.. none of it is surprising in the very least!!!!
I don't trust her or her political friend, it doesn't feel genuine, it feels like posturing for the most part.
The words spoken at 19:58, and in the lines that follow are so very true.
All the way through the rest of the words that the man speaks on the subject.
To be considered indeed.
23:39, 'explosive' not the best choice of words haha
0:34
BAM I thought I was watching mufukking SURVIVOR. Doppelganger as hell
yes we understand kidnapping people is bad and lisbon is a nice city indeed... this said there are apparently very solid proofs against de sousa and we don't know anything about this evidence... also the reason why she fled Italy in order to avoid trial ain't that clear to me. If you are innocent why would u flee instead of fighting and collaborating with justice? I mean you are in Italy, not in the US so you are granted at least a certain level of independence of the judges from the CIA. I am not saying she is a culprit, this has to be proven, but i can't see how this interview can help us understand as the only point of view we have is hers. And with no evidence in support of it.
+Federico Pinci Lol yes but atleast my country appeared on Vice because of her :P
+Raul Pinto true ;(
Have you? Anyway.. what i am saying is that the documentary does is what in italian we call "dietrologia": it documents the usual a conspiracy basing it purely on Sousa's claim. No evidence, no information about the opposing party's opinion... we only know "they have solid proof". For what about Sousa we don't even know that. That was my point. I am not saying anyone is guilty or innocent. I guess this is up to justice to clarify.
yep same for me being italian i have been curious obviously ;)
***** this was a full featured lord of the rings sized trial saga so hard to say at this point (the kidnapping happened long ago). It's a matter of principles for us of course, extraordinary renditions are for europeans a violation of human rights. And then you know italians.. for an italian the simple the fact that u have to show an ID in order to buy beer when you are 8 years old is a violation of human rights ;) Italians are very different - not better don't get me wrong, different - from people in the US and i doubt we could ever stand most of the social control measures the US put in place. Anyway there is apparently solid proof that 23 CIAs agents are guilty, de sousa being one of the few being "real" as 18 agents were in fact fake identities. It was (again apparently) CIA to stop de sousa from participating in the trial. What the defensors of the CIA agents could come up with in order to engulf the trial are technical flaws, not evidence that may exonerate de sousa. In a few words there is no evidence backing up De Sousa's claim. This is what i get from the news here in italy. What u say about her eyes is something that i thought as well while watching even tho i couldn't put it into words before you wrote it.
Huge respect for her for taking such a risk and exposing these wolves under sheep clothing.
no sheep clothing to begin with...anyone who believes ANYTHING government says is naive,especially someone like CIA
Goverment isnt there to keep you safe,its there to keep you in check.
Lol she's a coward that's hated by multiple nations
Nice show 🙂
Why do you whoever you are, persist in drowning out the dialogue with music, it's rude and obtuse!😉
Portugal a country never in the news must be a good place 2 live.
legal drugs..
i £ove and miss Portuga£!
They should have outright liquidated that POS instead of any rendition.
She calls out the CIA w what choice of words? They "..did not put their big boy pants on.."
Love it
Wow!!
Aww, the CIA didn't fly her mom to her. If only there was a way she could have somehow used 10 years of salary to buy a plane ticket for her mom.
Clues that she's delirious.
It's not about plane tickets but visas. Clues you don't understand international travel.
It's not about money she wanted her mom to have us passport
vice news is showing what journalism is all about
look up "we are change" channel here on CZcams. it's even better.
+Jesus TheDestroyer Vice isint perfect but there leaps and bound ahead of FOX, Gawker, salon etc.
+SCP-1048 Builder Bear Which is infinitely sad. There was a time in America at least where journalists did their civic duty to inform the public. I can guarantee you that if something like Watergate happened again, it would be swept under the rug with the major news establishments being utterly complicit.
Carter Kinoy fast forward 2018...Trump and fake Russia collusion story
petey1115 lol..you think so?
There’s risks and implications in everything.
Are these storied old or updated?
Do you not think the CIA is watching this and analyzing this , a street a doorway is one step closer to capturing her!!!
I'm pretty sure if vice can find someone then the CIA already know. Bigger things going on than to waste resources on her.
They know where she is but they do not want the diplomatic issue.
She stated that she isn't trying to hide and that she doesn't care because anyone who captures her will look "complicit".
It states at the very end that two weeks after this video she was detained at lisbon airport.
uumm the Italian Gov is after her..not the CIA.
Lots o luck holding the company responsible, on the other hand, the Italian justice system is nothing to write home about.
18:36 "CIA's rendition of Abu Omar had the consequence of completely derailing Italy's on-going investigation ...", thus preventing his arrest and prosecution (and that of his accomplices) by the Italian authorities.
Hmmm... This sounded suspicious from the moment it came out that the CIA took him to Egypt -- Omar's own country -- for the alleged interrogation and torture. Why would they do that? Perhaps to get one of their own informants/operatives out of harm's way? To keep Italy from exposing him -- and them?
I really don’t feel sympathetic for the line “Going to Portugal was one of my goals.”
she took the job,she knows the risks and the implications.
I took psychology in college and another you may notice is how she presents a lack of what is called 'affect', when she speaks about her supposed 'persecution'.
Or it might be called a distorted 'affect'.
An affect is defined in psychology as the way a person comes across emotionally when they talk about something emotionally relevant to them.
Instead of presenting fear, shame or regret, anger etc, she seems to smile and have an attitude of gleeful indifference to the whole incident.
A possible sign not only that she is lying, but that she is a sociopath.
A sociopath is someone who not only pathologically lies, but seems to lack empathy.
You are a certified psychologist.
I disagree with any government agency grabbing people off the streets because they think they are guilty of a crime. Especially agencies with a known history of lying, torture and human / organ trafficking. They should be arrested & tried as a terrorist
I think she’s just confident in what she’s saying since she has already told the story so many times.
Hahaha psycho 101 in college and now you’re an expert. Yeah right
Is the journalist the guy from "HANGOVER"?😯🍻
Notably for those watching in 2020...Mark Zaid's name also appears in this saga...28.00 mark
That's the risk you take working for the CIA. 🤔😑
No those risks are more serius and numerous.
It's now Sept. 2019 is there an update on De Sousa's case?
i need to know too ...
found - watch?v=mplI_WZIWXo
Mary Rodger 2019 “Respect and dignity.” Furthermore:
Silence is gold.
Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift.
What does CIA stand for? CAUGHT IN ( the) ACT?
Hair Flick 😂😂😂😂😅🤣🤣
CIA=Criminally Insane Agency & FBI=Friendly Bitches Involved!
Christian in action
I keep on forgetting not to read the comments. Vice comments are usually the worst out there. I can definitely see why, some of Vice content is meant to bring in the worst
Even tho she was left high and dry She still is sworn by them certain things she won’t say ...Imagine how long she has to live
She would be in more danger if just driving on the streets of Houston,Tx. and stopped by local cop.
CIA ,!!!
WHAT I!!!
WHAT'S CIA?
She is lying. When asked how did she become a made spook, she looked down in shame and lied. Review the tape sirs.
forgiveness is a great Virtue.thanks
hard to trust anything these people say - on a side note... cant imagine how hot she was in the 90s when she joined the CIA - damn. the Agency knows how to pick the hottest killers.
Gross man she isn't even remotely hot by any means
she's gotta be in her mid to late 50s dude... she was prob smokin hot when she joined up when she was in her early 20s.. of course she's lost it now.. but hell.. what do i know! eh
+heybud I think she's still pretty hot for an older lady
CountJimbo He was talking about the people in the video
Hans Blitz haha :)
Sibel Edmonds found just the same thing in her book, "Classified Woman".
,,,,,,,,, Asta este actiunea ,,,,,, Timpului ,,,,, a anului ,,,, a momentului ,,,,,,,,
A former CIA counterterrorism officer convicted in Italy for the rendition of a radical cleric says she was wrongly accused and is now holed up in Portugal in an effort to try and clear her name.
Read: Former CIA Officer Detained in Europe While Trying to Clear Her Name in Rendition Case - bit.ly/1k6edcJ
+VICE News I´m portuguese and her arrest didn´t appeared in the news :/
+dSpot Ok, my mistake, she did appear in the news I just didn´t saw it xD
+VICE News Why the lie about Al Qaeda in Irak before US occupation?
+VICE News so, you said countries allowed for the CIA to do this legally so why were they indicted?
no nigga no
I miss VICE on its purest form
She knew exactly what she was getting into. It's hard to believe she never saw 007.
pEoPLe WAnT to WoRk fOr ThE CiA LMFAO
5:55 Hrithik Roshan
CIA don't fuck around
Mind boggling still in 2019
Why put mandolin music (typical of Naples) over a shot of the Duomo di Milano?