Heroes in History: Medjay
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Well...it's time. Ever since I learned Medjay was the new hero released, I was doing research to learn what I could. Unfortunately there's not a whole lot concrete that I could get...but I did the best I could and I think this came out very well...at least I like to think so!
I hope ya'll enjoy this episode, and please watch to the end to see a pretty nifty meme montage I threw together.
GoGoDani video: • For Honor New Hero: ME...
(please note: I did not use GoGoDani as my primary source for this video. I don't like stealing from other content creators for information. I used this visual because it's the best one I could think of for why Medjay's weapon is not practical).
Marco Yolo's video: • Meet the Medjay [For H...
(please note: I feel silly because I commented to Marco's video that I thought the Magistrate outfit was based on Ammit...but after further research I retract that statement and would argue it's actual Sobek. Sorry Marco if you read this, I stand corrected).
If I remember anything about Egypt it's that Amet was also called heart devourer.
I'm assuming Amet gets replaced with Apep in the Egyptian New Kingdom for the role of the heart devouring god, since Apep is a snake and not a crocodile
@@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494 I think your right. It sounds more familiar
@@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494
It depends on what era and where in Egypt that each tale is told. Some believed Ra was the supreme god of Egyptian myth while others believe Osiris pre-mummification, others believe Amun, then later he was combined as Amun-Ra, there was also the Aten that was worshipped solely but that didn’t last long. My point is, Egyptian myth is very complicated and if you went back in time and asked who was the major ruler of the pantheon, you’d get multiple different answers
@@ulfberht4431 That's also a great point. That really depends on who you ask from.
Cold af name
The fan axe kinda reminds of another African weapon called the Ikakalaka. It to had a crescent tip but was more like a sword. It’s probably my favorite sword design.
I find it funny that Neferkha can do no wrong even when he semi-invades Heathmoor his occupying army is just there
Being fair, he invaded to retrieve a sacred item from his people and said item was fucking up the place it was stolen to. If anything, he was doing Heathmoor a favor.
that sneaky 40k horus picture had me cracking up
if i get a new pc (lost mine about a month ago to a fire in my apartment) i will try and make a 40k thousand sons looking set for medjay
Huh...I didn't think the Fan Axe was an actual "weapon", even if it's more of a ceremonial one. I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention The Mummy Returns considering how you slightly mentioned it your analysis video.
Also, just out of curiosity, how does the Medjay stack up in the line-up of the other For Honor heroes based off of your Deadliest For Honor Warrior list?
I personally don't think it's real. But I'm just acting under the assumption that, if it was, here's how I would rate it.
As for where he'd stack up? He'd be more deadly than Shaolin, but not as deadly as Shaman (mostly because his weapon is kind of a mess to me. Hahaha)
@@RavenKnightYT Yeah, I can see that. So...out of curiosity, until the next hero is out, what's your plans for Heroes in History?
@@RavenKnightYT
Perhaps it’s not real in the way pop culture thinks. I agree that it looks a little too unrealistic as a military weapon, but you said it yourself that it is most likely a ceremonial weapon
@@ulfberht4431 the reason I don’t think it’s real is because there don’t appear to be any physical specimens that we’ve recovered. I’ve seen no recovered fan axes in museums or on display anywhere. The only images of the weapon I’ve found are art, not real.
@@RavenKnightYT Yeah same here.
The fan axe, I believe would be a more of an executioner axe if it was ever used
smart, idk why i never thought of that...
When Medjay was announced, I was kinda hoping that the hero would have a similar set of weapons that Bayek in AC Origins was usually depicted with in art, that being the small round shield and sickle sword. But hey, can't always get what we want.
I mean to be fair, I kind of doubt they would make the Medjay's moveset unique in comparison to the Warlord if he was given a Khopesh and an Egyptian shield.
@@mkdemigodzillawarrior Fair enough, but there are some unique attacks and finishing moves that Bayek has in AC Origins with that weapon, but like I said, can't always get what we want.
@@ChillyReaper Yeah. I won't be surprised if they do decide to reuse some of those movesets from any of the Assassin's Creed games for For Honor, especially for a future Assassin Class hero. BTW, I do hope there will be more Assassin and Heavy Classes heroes because I feel like the DLC is getting a bit stale with the Vanguard and Hybrids, especially to fill out the ranks of the other factions to even things out.
Ngl, I wish that they mixed in Bayek into the backstory or lore of the one introduced into for honor, both Egyptian themes and both a Medjay. When I heard Medjay I was thinking “oh are they gonna include Bayek cause you know his story and all?”
But like you said we can’t always get what we want lol, maybe he’ll be a hero skin (Bayek) for the Medjay. But that probably won’t be the case let’s be honest.
Nonetheless, I’m loving the hero and already have a plan for each look of the three loadouts when I get the legendary gear lol. (Currently Rep 3)
@@animemadlad4720 Not every game needs or should be a crossover.
Think it would be funny if instead of a Medjay we get a Caananite mercenary for Egypt that had a similar moveset to shaman with a kopesh and Baal/Dagon outfit
True but how many people would recognise that it’s a Canaanite mercenary. Let alone who would know what Canaan is.
Maybe if they decide to add in Iike a Jewish Sicarii, maybe it can work?
I discovered your channel last week and instantly fell in love. You are now one of the few channels I actually watch. Keep up the amazing work!
I will never get bored of learning about ancient Egypt, it is my favorite ancient civilization
Y'all know Bayek is black right? Im sudanese, he is sudanese. Hes from Siwa Egypt but he is a medjay by dna. Medjays are nubians, nubians are northern sudanese and southern egyptian. Thats why I think its funny when people say ancient Egypt isnt black. There were many, many people youd consider "black" if u saw them today, they have more of a black/arab mix look like many Ethiopians and sudanese have. I think the whole "we wuz kangz" things stems from hatred of black Americans who definitely are not related in dna to the ancient egyptians. But Ethiopians, Somalis, Sudanese are related to them ancestrally as they were all border nations and the kingdoms mixed.
how about nilotics? would you consider them nubians??? and do they have any connections with ancient Egypt and kush?? You being sudanese whats your opinoin
In Southern Egypt, yes. They would be predominantly black, but in Northern Egypt you’d have a much more diverse mix of skin tone as it bordered asiatic and Mediterranean territories. And as the Medjay became less about ethnicity and more about occupation, the ethnicities who became Medjay might be diverse as well.
And as for Bayek being black? That’s not relevant. He calls himself the “last Medjay,” implying he’s the last police Medjay in Egypt. In 47 BC, the Medjay police were no longer a thing.
@@RavenKnightYT it is relevant. Im tired of ppl writing "we wuz kangz" on every ancient Egypt video. If it wasn't relevant than racists wouldn't be typing we wuz kangz everywhere. It was a mega civilization and included many blacks as well, mostly nubians, beja people, and other native people
@@Andu_music Okay let's settle down a second here. Bayek was not the subject of this video. Bayek referred to himself as 'THE LAST' Medjay. And his status and title was one of policing. Therefore, he was likely referring to Medjay as an occupation, not an ethnicity. That's why I said his skin color was irrelevant to this conversation.
I did not say 'we wuz kangz' and I actually find the 'we wuz kangz' argument a laughable fallacy. I do not like 'we wuz kangz' as an argument, and when held up to historical scrutiny, it doesn't hold water.
I pointed out in the video, and in previous videos, that Egypt was made up of Nubians, native Egyptians, and various other ethnicities. It was a melting pot of civilization, as the Nile was a center of culture and commerce. I do not see anything in what I said that would promote 'we waz kangz.' I also don't see anywhere in the video where I said Bayek wasn't black or say it is relevant that he was.
@@RavenKnightYT ok thats fine. The original comment wasnt directed towards you btw. Its just the ppl who say we wuz kangz in general. And to let anyone know reading my comment the truth about the race of ancient Egyptians
What warrior are you hoping for next? Personally I'd like to see a Mongol (Gryphon doesn't count) or a Sulu warrior!
Also, do you think Cent, Glad, Highlander, Shaman and Gryphon all belong to the Outlander faction? Coz I think they should be there
Maybe Highlander and Gryphon, but Centurion and Gladiator are the great-grandaddies of knighthood. I mean, the Roman Empire dying and getting the Holy Roman Empire in their place for the remainder of older history? I'm not surprised that they're under the Knights' flag.
@T Yeah, I have to agree. While it would be nice, the Iklwa is pretty basic of a weapon. Granted, they could use the Iwisa alongside the Iklwa to maybe make his moveset a bit more unique as there aren't many one handed clubs/maces in the game just yet, but I would think they would want to keep the Zulu's Ishlangu Shield...maybe.
The Mongols I totally agree with. Not entirely sure what weapon they'll give them since if they do a saber or a type of scimitar, a saber/scimitar would be a bit difficult to make unique in comparison to all the other sword-wielding warriors in For Honor.
I'm hoping for a Rajput, but I'm putting money on an Aztec.
And as for the others, Cent and Glad I'm fine with as knights because the medieval knights were born from the remains of the Roman Empire, so that doesn't bother me. Highlander and Shaman both have their ties with Nordic peoples and Vikings, so it doesn't bother me either. Gryphon? He should have been an outlander, no question.
Just for the weapon I would have loved a militia of Medieval Flanders, with their Goedendag.
@T Yeah. Though they can throw in a feat where the Zulu can throw his Iwisa seeing as I have heard they do throw it. As for the Mongol, easily can do a feat where he shoots his bow, like the Samurai.
Another God tier video keep up the great work
I've tried looking for the weapon on google and other sites and have only found a single sided fan ax so I'd say if the double sided "version" does exist then it'd be what you said or perhaps meant as a form of intimidation
Loved the video! Honestly I enjoyed it a lot!
Hey. I love your videos. Very informative. I thought I'd share my perspective on the fan axe. My Specialty is the ancient world, mainly ancient Greece during the classic and hellenistic but I do step into other cutlures. One of those being ancient Egypt. From all my years of studying egypt I have not found one reference to a "fan axe" There was a two handed axe they used in warfare and we have finds as well as in period depictions of them. And all the supposed in period depictins I've seen are merely warn down or misidenified depictions of ancient fans. Especially when they are shown along side soldiers people often think they are just another soldier carrying a weapon when what they are is simply... a fan boy. I imagine that at some point for a movie or game someone was looking for cool egyptian weapons, saw what they thought was a cool looking axe and made it so. As far as my research and opinion based on those factors is concerned. I don't believe it ever existed. I personally am disapointed they didn't go for shield and Khopesh or just the Khopesh on it's own since it was a status symbol of egypt or even they're version of a club. I personally wish there was some more representation of weapons from the ancient world. But that's just my thoughts on it.
I love this character
Assassin’s Creed… taking liberties wiþ þeir history‽
Not in a million years. :D
I loved this video and can't wait for next video.
Just watching the Mummy, and this caught my eye.
You see, I see a people talking about maybe we can get a Greek hero but the problem is Valkyrie kinda... Fucked that cause she basically has the spear and shield thing down.... I mean if they brought a Spartan (or to be less faction specific they can use "Hoplites") Ubisoft would have to make a completely different move set for a spear and shield hero. Which isn't impossible but isn't easy either since practically Valkyrie already uses most Spear wielding combat techniques.
I feel like one of the main ways to make a Hoplite hero different from Valkyrie is to make him a Heavy: Somewhat slow, lots of health, and high damage. We haven't had a new Heavy character since Jiang Jun back in Marching Fire, and it's easy to differentiate a Heavy "Hoplite" from Valkyrie's class of Hybrid. Greco-Roman armor, bronze shield, spear, and a ton of bulk ready to annihilate his opponents with a level of brutality rivaling even Centurion, which could present the Hoplites as perhaps rivals or even mentors to the Centurions. No clue what the main gimmick would be for this guy. That's just how I view it, though.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 Hm…yeah that would definitely make a Hoplite more unique. Heck, maybe he could also have a second weapon like a Kopis or Xiphos that he can switch with to make his game play a bit more unique?
@@mkdemigodzillawarrior. Perhaps, but, like I said, no clue what the main gimmick would be. Gotta be careful when mentioning the swords, though.
Edit: The Kopis easily looks the most unique compared to the Xiphos, and is the most likely option for a Greek sword anyway because of, well, how unique it is. Apparently the design meant it could have swinging momentum comparable to an axe while still being a sword and therefore capable of stabbing, though it was also apparently a weapon more recommended for mounted combat rather than on foot. Turns out the Kopis also has much less representation compared to the Xiphos, though. Either way, mostly a backup weapon, especially the Xiphos.
Spear and sword switching?
Yooo imagine if we got a Zulu warrior , some type of three musketeers type hero with a fencing rapier , and a Native American warrior , or maybe even a Aztec warrior
The new hero is probs Aztec
The Great admires swiftness and punctuality
Great vídeo as always!
Question do you ever plan to do a hero analysis for medjay where you grad the exes and all that.
Probably not an Analysis, but I will grade his executions later on.
@@RavenKnightYT Oh? How come?
Great video
It's weird how Medjay only being able to be black skinned is considered reasonable because of the origin of the warrior, but a chocolate black raider is not a problem.
This was a honest historical lesson keep it up
i just hope they someday add a arabian faction, native americas faction (comanche, aztec, mayan, mohawk, etc), as well as pacifican islanders (maori, hawaiian, etc), mongol characters & more african characters like a zulu warrior
Love heroes in history. Thank raven!
One of the most interesant vid of your channel
Wow, Medjay is Medjay
Hey Raven, curious on what you think on the fact that according to the Event Orders, the Medjay are in the present and are neutral to all the conflicts going on.....what do you think about that? Given the lore we have about Chimera and Horkos it feels like they should be joining Chimera if any faction.
I said my thoughts on that in my 'Let's Talk About the Medjay' video. I feel like Ubisoft is trying too hard to make them morally altruistic.
We know about OUR history well. Our goal is to revitalize the history of our Warrior's. They were as famous as the Navy SEALS and Army Rangers.
great discussion video bud
Only reason that I bought Medjay was because of Assassin’s Creed Origins
A Kopesh (or 2) would have been more practical than the Fan-Axe thingie. Especially for the "dual wielding" that happens. Imagine the executions with a scythe-like/curved weapon on your enemies.
Well we already have plenty of dual wielders. I think what they’re doing with the Outlanders is really trying to get crazy with their weapons. Just to highlight how literally out there they are.
In the word Ptolemaic, the P is silent.
I agree with everything except the part about the Nubians being the darker than the local Egyptians yet you show a picture of White passing eygptians next to a Nubian who probably had origins from the Sudan region, it wasn't just jet black Nubians and white looking Egyptians, further trying to separate Nubians from the Egyptians when they where all once the same people. there are Africans or black people who come in all shades from jet black, dark brown, brown, light Brown yellow, light yellow in tone, these same skin tones you will find all over Africa and you can see it on the paintings on the walls, there was only Roman and arab looking Egyptians later on, like the picture you showed in your video.
Bruh Raven when you said you didn't wanna bore us I was sad I could listen to a full history documentary if you voiced it it's entertaining as fuk to hear you go on about history of any culture
0:19 yeah actually mostly before christ, they had civilization that was noteworthy even at 3000bc. No racism or anything but where were the simites back then huh?
The semites could’ve been a large nomadic group near Caanan that moved toward Egypt and then became nomadic again and moved back to Caanan
The "simites" (I guess speakers of semitic languages?) were right next door in Mesopotamia. All in all the rise and fall of civilizations is a matter of sound governance and favorable geography, not race. 5000 years ago Egypt ruled supreme thanks to the fertile floodplains of the Nile. Now Egypt is economically inferior to Sweden, a nation with 1/10th of its population.
@@magicman3163 my point is that jews claim through the Bible that the most ancient civilizations in the world are simites, like Assyrians and Persians and even PHOENICIANS for gods shake, they even claim tgat greek, arabic and kyrilik alphabet comes from them. THEM WHO WERE A NOMADIC TRIVE and didn't have any noteworthy civilization or culture
Great Research Bro Yes Yes Ta-seti and The Real Name For Egypt is Kemet Or Kemtu Damn Aysserians They Added Three Medjay Warrior's In For Honor The Medjay's Should Be it's Own Faction My Weapon of Choose is Khopesh Swords an Egyptian Spear's an Shields They Should Gave Medjay Regular Egyptian Long Axe or Short Axe
Any idea on for honor upcoming hero is there any website that can show they type of heroes that might come
I don't have a website to prove it, but I do have a theory. I think the next hero will be a female locked Aztec warrior.
@@RavenKnightYT since Ubisoft kinda took us to egypt and a few thing tip me off to believe a hero will be like the assassin from assassin creed, it’s very accurate cause he’s actually a outlaw who fights to save peoples, and for honor do have a outlander faction🤓
I wonder why you can’t make Medjay white but you can make vikings black. I thought they respected cultured.
Cringe comment
*edit* - cringe 2 month old comment
Medjay being the only character whose skin you can barely change is such a huge BS lol. "Uh its 'cause they were like this irl" then why the hell can we turn the samurai's skins into straight coal 😭
the only reference Ive ever known for Medjay were Zoroastrian priests one of the oldest ongoing religion in human history from Iran and the root for the word magician...
...and ptolmey the p is silent
Music in meme montage pls ?
Did the medjay have their own tribe or would they be apart of the Sudanese tribes of today? Because the majority of pyramids are in Sudan not Egypt
I believe they were a part of the sugondese tribe
Medjay are like modern Nubians,they live in both Nubia.and upper Egypt
Edit: I misunderstood Raven's intent and thoughts on the topic. This comment is now null and void. I thought he was insulting slanderous for the complaint. I was wrong.
I dont have much to say other than I love the history. I learned a lot here.
however, you keep digging at slanderous when he has a fair arguement. no one likes preferential racial treatment against them(percieved or real). I have roman ancestry. and I can see how a black we wuz kangs joke centurion is offensive when done to other euro or asian characters. I wouldn't have even cared until the medjay thing came up. me and a buddy wanted to a joke duo with the whitest medjay and darkest raider. we cant now and it's just akward.
to try and "protect ones cultural color washing" seems messed up when that principle is applied one way. hell, the american side of my family is mixed making me about 14% when we did an ancestry test. so technically why can't I make a light medjay to compliment my lived experience? I'm not serious on the last sentence as far as honoring it. my point is opens the door for a ridiculous amount of bs. we should point that finger at ubisoft.
The problem is that Slanderous isn't intending to make a fair argument; Never has. He's just simply complaining because he can.
I thought Raven brought it up because he thinks slanderous has a point. Watch his other videos and raven mentions he at least finds it a bit odd that African heros get preferential treatment. But a Black Viking is totally historical. Everything thing I have seen from Raven suggests he thinks Slanderous has a point. Its just a Can of Worms he doesn't really want to get into.
I'm not digging at Slanderous. In fact, I agree with him to a certain extent. I don't think it's racist what Ubisoft did with his skin, but I do think it's a double standard and inconsistent. If they only did it for historical accuracy, then why don't the other characters get the same treatment. I agree 100% with that.
I only bring up Slanderous because HIS video was the one released that mentions this and talks about it. I am not attacking him or saying he's wrong. At no point do I say that I think he's wrong. The only thing I disagree with him on is that it's intentionally racist. I just think it's a stupid inconsistency that should have been handled better.
@@RavenKnightYT I see. I must've missed your previous video on it. I misunderstood you, my mistake. I agree with what you guys are saying. I'll open my mouth so you can insert foot on this oneXD.
@@RavenKnightYT editted my original comment for clarity.
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You are the first Caucasian I heard tell somewhat the truth about the Egyptians being so called black because the original Egyptians and Nubians were indeed black
I tell these people all the time, France tried to conqueror Britain, just because to trubes are fighting dosent mean their diffrent races.
Nubians Defeated Many Army's Even The Romans With Bow's an Arrows How Did They Do it incredible It's Cool Because We Still Worship Animals cats an Dogs today We Have The Medjay's Spirit Ancestral Speaks Just Wish Medjay's had More Weapons to Choose From Like Khopesh Swords an Egyptian Long Spear's an Short Spear an Shoteli Sword an Pharaoh's Mace an Egyptian Long Battle Axe an Egyptian Short Axe 🪓
:)
Egypt is not a “western civilization” lmao
"Egypt is considered to be one of the “cradles of Western Civilization” and has had a profound impact on civilizations throughout history. The Egyptians were able to create a unique culture and make remarkable advances in their time. Ancient Egypt is divided into three major timeframes: the Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, and New Kingdom."
www.cram.com/essay/Ancient-Egypt-Essay/FKKMFX9GR44X#:~:text=Egypt%20is%20considered%20to%20be%20one%20of%20the,the%20Old%20Kingdom%2C%20Middle%20Kingdom%2C%20and%20New%20Kingdom
"Likewise, Egypt contributed not just wealth but its unique culture to the surrounding regions, serving as one of the founding elements of Western Civilization as a whole."
pressbooks.nscc.ca/worldhistory/chapter/chapter-2-egypt/
lmao
@@RavenKnightYT you’re right, my bad. I spoke out of ignorance. Thank you for correcting me
Have a like for your efforts.
Thank god u learned to pronounced the characters name right takes a lil criticism don't it mate
Not really. I just looked up the historical pronunciation to make sure it was different. At the time, I was still unfamiliar with the word.
But it seems my criticism on your horrible English didn’t sink in. You didn’t capitalize God, you misspelled “you,” you added an unnecessary “d” and the end of “pronounce,” you misspelled “little,” and still no punctuation.
I wouldn’t be so strict about this with you, but rude behavior invites rude responses.
@@RavenKnightYT yeah wat ever makes sleep better at night I just know ur not miss pronouncing their name which makes me sleep better
And what exactly makes you think that Egypt did not own China? I for one support Egypts rightful claim to all of mainland china!
U said that Egypt was the first true society in the west... but Egypt is in Africa.....
...Ancient Egypt is considered to be one of the early cradles of Western Civilization. Being from Africa is irrelevant. Africa still had its hand in the shaping of Western culture too.
www.cram.com/essay/Ancient-Egypt-Essay/FKKMFX9GR44X#:~:text=Egypt%20is%20considered%20to%20be%20one%20of%20the,the%20Old%20Kingdom%2C%20Middle%20Kingdom%2C%20and%20New%20Kingdom.
eduzaurus.com/free-essay-samples/ancient-egypt-and-its-contribution-to-western-civilization/
Man i cant understand why they didnt add any arabic heroes
Because they haven't added any yet?
@@dragonbornexpress5650 you did not answer the question mate , i said WHY they did not and not planning on adding any and why the fuck did they add a hero from another era ?
@@dragonbornexpress5650 the game is set in the medieval era egypt did not have pharos obviously.
@@iyadli4645. Take a chill pill, ass. They simply haven't gotten around to it; That doesn't mean they're never going to do so. You're acting so butthurt.
I can tell your constipated
What?
Random ass comment number Ifuckinglostcount.
WeLcoMe tO HerOs iN HisToRy
If you don’t like his content, that’s your opinion. It’s not for everyone. But you have no right to insult someone over something they’ve spent time over to entertain others.
@@wilmanuts9954 I love Raven’s content, it’s just with this hero-
Nubians, Medjay were Nubians. They were not Egyptian, they were masters of archery, not melee combat. The reason people seek to think they’re Egyptian is because the Egyptians formed a policing force called the Medjay to draw bravado from the Nubian Medjay.
No I like the content but welcome back to heroes in history is kind of a catch phrase and I just wanted to meme it
@@Ci1antr0 Eh, to be honest, we don't know for sure if that is the case.
@Yitzi Siefert The ethnic Medjay were Nubians. They were integrated into the Egyptian Empire. They were hired as police force. Over time, more ethnics joined and thus the term Medjay for Egypt changed from an ethnicity to a occupation and action of policing. At least, that's what my research shows.
We wuz medjay 😆
We wuzn't towel heads
Why don’t you write in full English. Are you illiterate?