When Nirvana rips you off
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We all know Nirvana, right? They brought alternative rock to the mainstream with their groundbreaking album "Nevermind" and the iconic single "Smells Like Teen Spirit." But what if I told you that Nirvana actually stole their sound from another band? In this video, we explore the untold story of the Pixies, the unsung heroes of alt rock who revolutionized the music industry. Discover how their extreme dynamics and raw intensity influenced not only Nirvana but also bands like Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins, and many more. Join me as I uncover the secrets behind Nirvana's sound and the band that paved the way for their success.
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Timestamps:
0:00 We all know Nirvana right?
1:01 Rock in the 80s
1:53 The Pixies?
4:17 How Extreme Dynamics caught on
7:45 What happened to the Pixies?
#Middle8 #alternativerock #videoessay #nirvana #pixies
One of the best ways Iâve heard the Pixies described is âyour favourite bandâs favourite bandâ
my parents favourite band
Theyâre the MF DOOM of guitar music
that's the beatles, and the velvet underground
@@catdance7 genre đ
Not really
I hate when people say "stole" or "copied" it's just inspiration and every song takes something from another, it's the highest form of respect and shouldn't be looked down upon
Exactly, especially when the band acknowledges the influence. The word "stealing" is very wrong there. It goes to show that the speaker has an irrational problem with Nirvana's success.
@@andycalifornia426Kurt himself had a problem with their success. I think the Pixies are great. Kurt blended so many different styles he created his own. Nirvarna is still my favorite cover band. âBevisâ
Hell yeah. amen
â@@frodiesel0 Kurt had a problem with his success for a completely different reason. The butt-hurt youtuber here has a problem with Nirvana's success because he's jealous that his favorite band that had some good albeit half-baked ideas didn't. Forward-thinking and whatever other attributes you want to ascribe to Pixies is apparently not enough for people to like it. Enough of this "they're too sophisticated for the masses". I like some of Pixies' songs, but how much of Surfer Rosa do you ACTUALLY like? On Doolittle, Frank chose to sabotage the band and cut all the good songs short, while keeping crap like "I Love You" long. And literally no one cares about the next two albums (I personally like a few songs from them) because no boundaries are being pushed there and nothing new is brought to the table. Pixies are a throwaway band for people who like art for the sake of pushing boundaries, not enjoying the art itself.
@@andycalifornia426 I agree for the most part. This video would have you believe that every band after the Pixies that got louder during the chorus on any of their songs was literally just ripping off the Pixies. Even TLC and Whitney Houston. Lol. Who hears a Celine Dion song and thinks, man I canât believe she could rip off the Pixies like that? Just because the Pixies were your favorite band and you noticed that they used dynamics and talked about it doesnât mean everyone after them that does that too is ripping them off. I learned about dynamics in band in elementary school. Itâs a huge part of music. The Pixies were a fun band but they didnât invent dynamics. Beethoven used dynamics. Were the Pixies ripping off Beethoven? Itâs called music.
Nirvana always gave plenty of light to their influences, they helped lift many bands up.
Including us đ
Like....who?
@@Humblemumble7daniel johnston, half japanese, beat happening, vaselines, fang, the wipers, meat puppets, raincoats, shonen knife, mudhoney, melvins, devo and even fucking leadbelly and william burroughs... nirvana continues to introduce them to new generations of fans.
@@Biloxata Nice. Saccharine Trust is a good one too.
â@@Biloxata they didn't "uplift" Melvins. Was already successful and had already denied fame by refusing a record deal because they didn't like the terms and refuse to play arenas
pixies is always that band you imagine started later than they actually did. *how* are they an 80s band
Idk imo they have a much rougher sound that feels older than the more polished bands that came out after, who built upon what they did. And I mean, they are barely an 80s band anyways. Yeah i think they formed in 86 and there first 2 albums were released in 88 and 89, but by that logic Nirvana is also an 80s band since 'Bleach' came out in 89 and they apparently formed in 87. Classifying things by decades has always been dumb.
they were ahead of their time though. Just like The Velvet Underground in the 60's. It's funny that their music aged better than 95% of 80's glam/hair metal.
Thats the one thing i can take away from this video
and dinosaur jr
Yes and no. Most people only know them for one song which came out in 1986 i think? But when people think of nirvana the vast majority of those songs were released in 1989 and 1990. Just because the popular sound or the sound that has been labeled as the 1980s over time, doesn't sound like other music of the time doesn't mean it's out of place or necessarily ahead of its time
One thing about Nirvana is that while they were very inspired by The Pixies or other alternative bands like them, what made Nirvana stand out was their ability to craft brilliant melodies, which were very much inspired by The Beatles
Really? Why do some give me grief for being into the fab four? So old and not current. Well... thanks.
awesome melodies backed up by insane guitar distortion and feedback, inspired by sonic youth
@@adamfindlay7091Kurt was inspired by the beatles and black sabbath in the song "About a Girl"...
Iâm a huge Beatles fan. I have never heard anything by Nirvana that made me go âoh thatâs the Beatles influence.â To me itâs always been Kurt said it and people just repeat it.
Agreed
I watched a documentary on their reunion. By the time they had their first reunion tour, they found they were selling quite a lot of tickets. There were several generations of fans in the crowd singing along. The way artists like Kurt Cobain were so vocal about stealing from the Pixies really paid off in the long run. I was really happy for them finally getting to experience that level of success.
Exactly. When I saw the reformed band in Milwaukee, the crowd was big and ranged in age from about 10 to 75, most singing along, my wife, an original era fan, among them. And it was LOUD.
Nirvana was my gateway to the Pixies as a teenager. Iâm forever grateful for that.
I'm 26 and I go to their shows every chance I get. And they're always packed with a good mix of ages. Nothing else like them
Saw them twice during their 2004 reunion tour and it exceeded my expectations. I clearly remember the crowd being a mix of young and old and at that time I was in my teens. The Pixies, Radiohead and Rage Against the Machine are the reasons I picked up an electric guitar and be in a couple of bands đ
I canât wait to see them in San Diego!!! Later this year
Joey Santiago: âA lot of other bands did the quiet/loud dynamic, too, so giving us all the credit is kinda silly. But we really exploited it. Also, we were heavily influenced by The Cars, and they chug a lot. When we discovered that chugging thing, it was like, âHoly fuck, this is really good.â So you could really just chug it down then be quiet - and then just power in with another chord."
exactly. I am trying to remember who was the first. Zep made a career of slowly working a song into a frenzy. I could name bunches but many followed the over the hills and far away or stairway to heaven format. Slow and beautiful and then BAM, Plant screaming and Page slamming that guitar. This video is kind of silly.
Think it was my grandpas band that invented dynamics, the 1/4 tape from the 40âs proves it. Caveman, âhit it softer, Now loud!â
Seems like some credit should go to Iggy and the Stooges.
black sabbath - black sabbath is a classic in quiet/loud. i'm sure it was "invented" by some classical dude like wagner or something. piano/forte. it is silly to say it was the pixies. dinosaur jr and husker du did it before them
That's dope
Yeah, I remember hearing about this, because as everyone knows, the Pixies invented dynamics, chord progressions, music and, sound itself.
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lol
Yes all the Russian / German CLASSICAL Composers in history owe everything to the Pixies. Especially the explosive Dynamics found in their music that they used back then before sound recording existed.
I hear they are collaborating on world peace next.
Yeah, Iâm glad someone saw the absurdity of this claim.
The amount of bands that had wild dynamics BEFORE the pixies is immensely large. They're definitely a band that made the soft verse\lntense chorus a huge point of the arrangement, but what even was all this lol
Ye they never listened to ramble on by Led Zeppelin lmao
A poorly researched video delivered confidentally by someone too young to understand context and the nuances of things from the era that can't be picked up on from Wikipedia and other people's videos (other people also too young to know about such things)
You guys have no idea what youâre talking about, yet are so convinced that you do.
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or Simple Man by Lynyrd Skynyrd or Fade to Black
The Pixies even managed to inspire Lennon back in 1968 when he wrote "I'm so tired" which really is amazing!!!
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Lennon inspired Bach, Not Just Johann but his uncle as well.
Woah, that's so sick dude!
Yea, theres prob a lot of beatles songs like that, yer blues, mother (his solo period), Also golden slumbers. This vid has some reach!
@@armondtanz ....but bands didn't credit the beatles for it though, they credited the Pixies. The Beatles are the most celebrated band of all time. If all these bands learned Dynamics from the Pixies then it's irrelevant who "did it first"
Bro Kurt must have said 400 times this they were basically a Pixies tribute band. But utilizing inspiration is not only fine, it's even more finer when you make a completely distinct sound đ€Łđ€Ł
The trouble was'nt Kurt.,but the media overhype of grunge
"good artists copy; great artists steal" - Me in 1997
Ima steal this quote, because this is awesome.
Yeah you definitely stole that quote.
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Okay Pablo Picasso.
đ đ đ hopefully we can all just do what we love
Y'know, the main Pixies albums that got talked about in this video were Surfer Rosa and Doolittle, with a very brief mention of Trompe Le Monde. That just reminds me that I actually particularly like their Bossanova album, "Velouria" absolutely slaps.
Exactly this â€
Oh, yeah. I remember Velouria getting decent radio play on alternative rock stations in the nineties. I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline, but I think the success of Canonball from Kim Deal's other band, the Breeders, helped out and gave Velouria a second wind of success, but I remember it doing pretty good. Great song.
@@NinjaMatt2201 cannonball came out 3 years after bossanova
Absolutely their best album
Surprisingly, Weezer did a solid cover of Velouria back in the day.
Don't forget Killing Joke's song "Eighties", the melody of which was used in "Come As You Are"
The Damnedâs Life Goes On....that too
@@zoomer619 yeah, that also, but Eighties is more relevant to Come as You Are
To the untrained ear they sound similar but in actual fact the riff from the song ''Eighties'' is not exactly the same as the riff from ''Come as you are''. Therefore, it's not accurate to say one was used in the other.
WRONG! It's not the melody, it's the riff that is similar. The melody (the vocal parts) are very different. Get a clue.
Yes that is the sound!
It's interesting the Pixies get credit for this loud-quiet dynamic when you see it all throughout 50's music like My Boyfriend's Back or It's My Party.
@ghost mall Husker Du, which used the technique inspired the Pixies. They literally put an advert in the paper for a bassist "into Husker Du".
â @ghost mall Boston did it in âMore than a Feelingâ; The Beatles did it in âLucy in the Sky with Diamondsâ. It has always been experimented with in the past and so Iâm not sure how much credit the Pixies should get.
Or Frankie Valli's "Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You"
I donât think any part of this video is arguing that theyâre the first to do it in all of music history.
@@evanjohnrobasci7356this video makes a lot of silly unverified claims.
like the spice girls being influenced by the pixiesâ so-called âextreme dynamicsâ lol
the ending of fight club started me on a long rock journey
seems like that was a strange point in your life
Oh yeah !! Forgot
Yeah I 100% would have never heard of the Pixies if it not being for Fight Club and Nirvana.
Speaking of unsung alternative rock pioneers, you should definitely do a video on Sonic Youth and their influence on the genre.
I never got into Sonic Youth. I can see them being influential to shoegaze and similar stuff but I personally find them boring and pretentious. To each their own.
Yes for sureâ€
It's hard for me to think of Sonic Youth as unsung. Me and my group of friends saw them over and over and listened to them all the time.
Sonic Youth was also a bunch of douchebags ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ always a bummer when the music is good (arguable too) and then the people suck
Thurston Moore was a prelude to Trent Reznor
love seeing pixies get love
Only if people felt the same when I rip them off
They're so great. Glad they're still active
Alongside Pixies, Nirvana and Kurt Cobain introduced me to a lot of lesser known bands that really make great music. Teenage Fanclub, The Vaselines, HĂŒsker DĂŒ, Wipers, Beat Happening and The Replacements are some of the many bands i discovered and fell in love with. Thank you Kurt.
P.S, the fact that Pixies have more than 9 million monthly listeners on spotify now is insane.
This style existed and was used effectively loooooong before the Pixies. As but one obvious--albeit perfect--example among many: Led Zeppelin's "What Is and What Should Never Be."
DeBussy, Vivaldi, Otis Redding , goes back even farther to cave men around the fire bangin sticks on a log
"Come as you are" has been considered a rip off. But Nirvana famously mocks themselves, and rocks the Smells like teen spirit "More than a feeling" connection in this at Reading 1992. Kurt's smile is priceless czcams.com/video/R3XIGon2RjY/video.html
Everyone knows this alreadyâŠ
The story on Come as you are riff went from Killing Joke from The Damned from a 60's Garage band.
My girlfriend loves to tell the story of how one of the members of the Clash was asked to join the band but he was like "I don't know how to play an instrument. But then I heard the Pixies and realized it didn't matter."
The clash formed a decade before the pixies, you might have them mixed up.
@@colin6603 Thats the joke
@@colin6603 He replaced Sex Pistols with Pixies. That's the joke. It's taken from a Clash interview that became part of the E.P. single "Capitol Radio One" So, Devin's either complimenting Pixies, or thinks they're garbage.
@@michaelmalone7231 Damn right. Stop making JOKES, so-called DEVIN, and tell us where you REALLY STAND.
@@michaelmalone7231 Same with the Manchester bands like Joy Division - the Pistols came up for a show and a lot of people said - hey we can be a band too.
Man I remember the first time i heard "Bone Machine" like it was today. The skies opened. I felt like a weirder, stronger, riskier person just for listenig to it. The visceral wild power AND the catchy pop appeal. Pixies remain one of my all time favourite bands and artistic idols to look up to.
If only on their post-.reunion-albums they could somehow reawaken that element of surprise. But with so many artists they inspired having adopted and developed their sound, and with many of their sounds and dynamics having become familiar tropes (which surely is an achievement on their part) I guess that is a really difficult job - and in Rock, everything must be off-hand and instinctive by definition, so it seems an impossible task to set oneself, or rather, one that can only be achieved by not trying. Oh well. I give my love to the Pixies, my admiration and my gratitude.
Oh yeah def inspiring
Until you said "Pixies" I thought you meant the Tom Waits album 'Bone Machine'
You can really hear The Pixiesâ influence on Led Zeppelin for their song âWhat Is And What Should Never Be.â Also The Beatlesâ âDig A Pony.â Oh and Beethoven was in a big Pixies phase when he wrote his 5th. Where would we be without the Pixies inventing soft-verse-loud-chorus dynamics?
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Finding those first 4 Pixies album as a teenager was like finding gold
Irish folks and especially rebel songs have being doing that for over a century... swapping between picking notes and singing quietly to raging elbow smashing chorus's... it's always been around
@ghost mall Yeah they where the first to electrify it but they didn't "invent" it.
@@thecircledk8597 Nonsense, The Pixies weren't even the first rock band to use the quiet/loud thing. Not at all. Listen to Gun Club, The Electric Prunes, Husker Du, The Birthday Party. Hell, even Queen's "We Are The Champions" uses that same quiet/loud dynamic to deliver the verses and choruses waaaaay before The Pixies ever did. Talk about living in a bubble... geez
@@thebeingbecoming3596 Boston did it in More Than a Feeling too. This video is a stretch for sure
The quality of the videos keeps going up. I love the words on the cards. the dates help place everything and often I don't know what album songs are on for artists I don't listen to much. One suggestion would be to place names together on one side. It can be confusing if you are trying to read fast and you go in the wrong order.
âWhen Nirvana rips you offâ
-Rambles about the history of the Pixies
The thing i love most about Pixies is there are all pretty normal and not virtuosos by any stretch. But they truely pioneered the alt rock scene that can still be heard to this day and started one of the biggest movements in the 90s.
There's loads of bands that had the quiet verse, loud chorus dynamics. Fade to Black by Metallica, Can't Always Get What You Want by Rolling Stones, S.O.S by ABBA. Pop, rock, metal, that dynamic was already everywhere before 1986
It's like the "when the bass drops", effect that the mid-2010's had with dub-step. Classical music does this effect too especially if the music is meant for a performance like ballet or even an opera. It makes a dynamic shift in the tone of the scene, the introduction of another character or the villain appears.
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The âBass Dropâ is far older than Dubstep and has always been a staple of Dance music and can be traced back to Jamaican music and sound system culture.
Though it does make sense to connect later Dubstep to this type of Rock, as overall it has more in common with it than it does actual Dubstep and a lot of producers of the later sound did come from Rock/Metal.
@@3rdStoreyChemist I did mention classical music...
Bowie would know. He studied alot of eras and styles across the world. No rookie. Nicely done. 2 of my fave bands, Galaxy 500 ripped off everybody, but so what!? They still have their voice, their mistakes their added ideas and effects and energy so I don't think it matters one iota.
Dont forget, Killing Jokes - Eighties and the whole controversy of Come as you Are. Both great songs and Dave grohl playing with Killing Joke
Etreme dynamics were very common on 70s hard rock, not invented by the pixies, Mozart did it too lol.
Boston's 1976 iconic classic More Than A Feeling is the real ticket here. All of this stuff points back to that song.
Lol wonder where you got that from
Two weeks ago, i had the opportunity to see them live and it has been one of the best concerts i have ever seen!!!
It's so sensational to say a band has ripped something off. Everyone takes inspiration from something
This is so true
Where is my mind is my local sceneâs wonderwall. I remember at one DIY show, 3 out of the 4 bands played it that night. By the second time hearing a shitty where is my mind cover I was done lmao
Great video! For what itâs worth, thereâs so much more that Nirvana was inspired by (The Melvins), and I always appreciate theyâre openness to admitting it.
I think that the Melvin's influence begins and ends at " being in a band".
Yeah they were influenced by many sub genres, New Wave, Hardcore, Metal
â@@markferguson3745not at all, listen to 'milk it' and then listen to the Melvins song 'it's shoved'
Bowie had a great understanding of all music genres
I cant name one single song in all of history where the chorus isnt louder then the verse. I dont think the Pixies invented that
Soft-Loud slam dynamics came way before the Pixies⊠if you look a little harder youâll find it frequently used by Violent Femmes, King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, even in The Wall and prog rock like Genesis and Yes.
Met a Dude from California in 1989. I was a metal head but I grew up on all types of music. I was 15 and he was 20 and had a car. He showed me Surfer Rosa and driving around in his car listening to that was a great experience.he got me to buy Doolittle and I basicly loved the pixies. I didn't stop listening to metallica but my eyes were open to something else that literally changed the projection of my life. Thanks Rob....wherever you are
I really love the video editing in this. It's distinctive.
Thank you for mapping it to the source. It is a great technique that makes exactly the kind of songs I like. This style of songs that change dynamics should have a name to find their peers easier.
Yes it's nice to line it all up
I love the pixies, but attributing the soft verse, loud chorus solely to them is kind of silly.
I freaking love pixies. I think it's a little too harsh to say it was ripped off. I think that they made it more radio friendly.
Nirvana didn't rip anyone off. When Kurt made that comment, he was flattering his favourite band. As a fan of both PIxies and Frank Black Stuff, I can say that none of it sounds like Nirvana at all
I will always argue that 90s music had the greatest impact on society and music culture. It was a total renaissance
Iâve never heard it as the greatest, nor any other era that happened as the greatest.
Each of these eras had their own music that was different from the previous and helped shape pop culture, and by that the current culture at the time.
I would argue that 90's music was total crap. Compared to the excellent song writing of the 70s and 80s, it was corporate dreck.
@@aelfredrex8354 70's is a fair shout, and so is the 60's! but 80's?! 80's was much more corporate sellout than the 90's! the 90's also had so so so many essential albums released by new artists every year
Blink 182 was from the 90s though. For that reason alone the 60s-80s were better music decades.
@@lenenlawless In the 80s you still had what was left of punk and you had post-punk, and metal was at it's height.
I discovered the Pixies during my Thrash Metal obsession. No other genre could penatrate until I discovered the Pixies. They kinda primed me up for the changing of the guard in 1991 when Nirvana changed everything for me. As a guitarist, I had been trying to live up to my heroes in Metal. Once Grunge took over I was born again as a musician and adapted very well to the whole new way of playing, writing music. I had more fun in bands in the 90s than I ever did in the 80s. I thank everything Holy for the Pixies and Nirvana.
Yeah same for us
@@gardenwarrior77 I only liked the guitar riff in the hit song
@@gardenwarrior77 Will do. Thank you
Thats the quality music content I want.
You made me fall in love with the arctic Monkeys through your video on "tranquility base hotel & Casino"
Will be on their Concert in Luxemburg in July
Thank you
Nobody knew the pixies till Cobain said they 're his favourite band! Great video, by the way
I hope this video talks about "More Than A Feeling" by Boston and "Eighties" by Killing Joke.
Edit: it didn't.
Honestly I was expecting the whole video to be about the latter đ
Listen to âlife goes onâ by the dammed. Itâs another one that nirvana âstoleâ
@@imnotnarcian thanks, sounds supermodern and cool
Steve Albini is my favorite musician. Iâve seen his band Shellac twice in Portland. Always a fantastic show. Loved Big Black back in the day. Touch and Go Records makes great music. Nirvana and the Pixies helped to shape my childhood and the person I am today.
Their final album Trompe Le Monde is one of my all time favorites. Talk about a good album to memorize and sing along to while driving. Damn, this one saved my life plenty of times in my younger years. I know it's pretty much a Black Francis solo project, but I just love him for this crazy album that means the world to me.
Not quite their FINAL ALBUM. It was for a long time, but they have since reformed and released four more LPs since Trompe (if you consider it the Pixies without Kim Deal - which I certainly do).
Indie Cindy (2014)
Head Carrier (2016)
Beneath the Eyrie (2019)
Doggerel (2022)
"The fact is, I canât fool you, any one of you. It simply isnât fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if Iâm having 100% fun." - Kurt Himself.
i love your videos, man! keep up the amazing work!
I just watched a nirvana interview and they were talking about how they just wrote a pixies song for smells like teen spirit
Pretty much đ
OMFG how I love your youtube channel
The Pixies and Van Halen are my favorite bands. both have extreme energy, dynamics, and raw sound.
Smells Like Teen Spirits riff sounds fairly similar to the riff at 1:10 on the Pixies song U-Mass. Both albums released on the same day so maybe just a coincidence. Either way, very interesting.
itâs educational!
You should do a video talking about Villains by Queens of the Stone age , since their new album is releasing soon...
Spot on . If you where in a club or live gig when these songs played you will understand the power of the slow then explosive sound. Your heart bursts with excitement. It's like the jump scare in a horror film. Fear, then fight. Down forget "sabotage" - the beastie boys, Rage Against the machine and The breeders- Cannon ball. I still bounce around my kitchen to these songs because I remember the adrenaline kick.
And here I was thinking that we were gonna be discussing the supremely underrated Killing Joke.
Steve albini is such a goat. Yall should do a video about his bands like Big Black and Shellac
Couldnt believe it when he won that Poker championship too
I appreciate Albini uncompromisingly doing things just for the art and the principle of it, as well as his impact on rock music. That drum sound on In Utero is indeed goat.
But I literally just spent too much time last weekend using drum replacement to finally get around to 'fixing' the kick drum on Chevelle's "Point #1" that sounds like banging on plywood. I've only been a Chevelle fan since about 2010, but it still grates after all these years.
He also engineered and mixed that song (and album) and it sounds like he just said to himself, "You know what? I'm going to just leave the faders right where they were for the last band that used this studio. I'm that hard core!!" lol If you've listened to any other Chevelle album, you'd know that can't be the sound they were trying to achieve. Chevelle, especially 2000's era, is about as polished sounding as metal gets.
On Chevelle's greatest hits album they actually re-released Point #1 with a proper mix. I must admit, for that song's opening couple of minutes (of just sludge metal riffing), I actually prefer the raw sounding Albini version, which is why I've had it in the back of my mind to make a combo of the two for some time (with the exception of that yucky kick).
Point is...as a producer, there's a fine line between fearlessly eschewing slick, cliche production excess, and coming off like you're incompetent. Albini is the type of to producer who'll take an olympic long jumper's leap over that line.
To be fair, Albini was probably only paid peanuts for recording that entire album. Whatever it was, it was still too much, though!
@@marvinlear5848 Didn't know Albini recorded that album. I am going to give it a listen now. It's the only Chevelle album I've never heard
Oh def!
â@@marvinlear5848yes and not taking the money from artists big or new
I have to disagree. Nirvana's sound is much closer to a little known band called "The Meat Puppets". Also, having a bombastic chorus has been a thing in pop music for a long time. Since the days of Elvis, really. Though Pixies did start quiet/loud and influenced early Grunge, you are correct about that.
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The only song Nirvana "ripped off" was the riff for Milk It from Melvins "It's Shoved." Everything else is just having influences.
As other commenter says, i think 'your favourite bands favourite band' is more fitting for this essay
And the Pixies stole it from The Cars, just ask Frank Black.
pixies and nirvana, 2 out of 3 bands (can u guess the third?) i literally grew up listening to every day, love to see it
Itâs gotta be the Velvet underground
@@mattemilo Sonic youth XD
@@mattemilo dinosaur jr would count too, i barely listened tto velet actually.... maybe i should give tthem a chance
You can even hear in songs like eels' "My Beloved Monster" and Barenaked Laides' "One Week" the use of the abrasively loud and softly quiet technique.
very interesting videos and i absolutely love the pixies but i'm sure the point being made is super strong. I'm pretty sure the calm verse/loud chorus existed long before the pixies and are even sort of one of the basic templates of pop songwriting, especially in rock. And i thought the pop songs you mentionned towards the end don't even really fit into that dynamic that much. Still a super cool video tho
Epic
Its not stealing its how music works! Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Bowie, Gallagher,gaye, Coldplay,rem, Radiohead etc etc its how music works!
Thank you captain obvious.
â@@mandm145 I am not your captain and I don't need thanks, I am to humble for that
â@ghost mall it's not a trick it's music and how can it be stolen it is not an object, you can't steal a sound especially one that is about quiet verses and loud choruses đ it's ridiculous. You also did not understand the video did you
The Pumpkins perfected the technique. Porcelina, Drown, Siva, Rhinoceros, Today, Bullet with BW....so many great ones have that going on.
Kurt was nervous about Come as You Are being released as a single because of the song 80s. But at the end of the day, whatever he touched he made his own
that's not a pixies innovation tho, songs like led Zeppelin's over the hills and far away already used sudden dynamic changes on a single song and that was on the early 70s, and i'm sure the technique goes even further back
Metallica - welcome home
"What is and What Should Never Be" as well. Seems odd to say that someone stole being quiet then loud. Pretty sure that musical concept can be traced back even before Beethoven. Pixies were great though.
Nice vid, appreciate your analysis. But want to note that many of the pop examples you cite really have nothing to do with Pixies. A drop, or change in tempo/dynamism, has long been a part of many genres of music. Citing some 90âs pop songs and implying Pixies influenced them in any way is misleading (unless you have evidence). Correlation =/= causation.
To elaborate⊠Smells Like Teen Spirit⊠absolutely. Kurt was on record about it. Baby One More Time? Not seeing the connection and never heard Max Martin name Pixies as an influence. Verse/chorus =/= quiet loud. Genuinely wanting to understand the claims made here. Thank you!
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This vid came out at the perfect time for me
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I fucking love that song. Itâs what got me into then originally. The way that chorus hits is so goddamn nasty lol. I love it
The Pixies basically started 90s rock music. I don't care for them nearly as much as those thry inspired but they still deserve the credit for pioneering (not inventing) a style.
Yeah I think Kurt legit admitted in an interview that he literally wanted to play like pixies
It's self-similar, though, artists ripping off others. The creative progress is just in stark contrast with the free market. I mean, the Prodigy literally samples very ape chords in "voodoo people"for example. Totally transformative. but "it rips off". People learn by copy things, then reorder things to make it their own. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
This is a dynamic technique has been used for fucking ages. Saying it's proprietary to The Pixies is a bit shortsighted. Also, grunge isn't a genre.
Man I love your videos so much, but these new âWhen youâŠâ titles have gotta go
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Its in the lyrics "i found it hard hard to find oh well whatever nevermind " and the guitar melody "hello hello hello how low"... sounds just like where is my mind
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Nirvana just did it better, better songs and better execution
I love your video. The Pixies are awesome!!!
nahhhh, nevermind is literally just a Pixies punk record like bone machine, but with pumpkins' production. Butch Vig just took Billy's guitar sound and gave it to Kurt
The size of a venue really matters when seeing bands live. The 300-600 ticket standing only venues were the best way to see and hear The Pixies and Nirvana in the late 80's/early 90's. When Nirvana exploded overnight and started booking arenas I knew I had seen my last Nirvana show. I did see The Pixies play a larger venue when they opened for U2 after the Trompe Le Monde album. The arena didn't even bother turning the lights down and the band didn't have much energy because all the U2 fans were still filing in and showed no interest in The Pixies. I never missed a Pixies show in my area even though they were never a great live band. But don't blame The Pixies for crap like Brittney Spears, Whitney Houston and the Spice Girls.
âItâs been done, but I donât think itâs been redoneâ - Anon
Saw pixies a month ago it Dallas tx⊠amazing show
metallica did it with "fade to black" too 1984
Violent Femmes also deserves mention for its "dynamic extremism", you can hear it in "Kiss Off", for example. And Sonic Youth goes without saying :).
Basement Jaxx "Where's Your Head At" is another example
I've mever been a hige fan of Nirvana but thwy seem like interesting people, Grohl and Cobain seem to have been really good friends amd Grohl in particular seems like an amazing human being, and the stuff my favorite band's frontman Anyhony Kiedes says avout Cobain mkae me feel like he was a good person
Dynamics (soft and loud sections) have been around for ages. What Nirvana did "steal" was their guitar sound on Nevermind; but that was really Butch Vig. Vig had just come from recording The Smashing Pumpkins' Gish and he liked the Pumpkins' saturated guitar sound and recreated it with Nirvana on Nevermind.
I went to see the Pixies at The Hummingbird in Birmingham when I was a kid. The crowd was moshing so hard I thought I was going to die. Apart from the near death experience, it was a great gig. I first saw Nirvana on a TV program called The Tube and my first reaction was, it's a Pixies rip-off! Once I got hold of Nevermind I played it non-stop for days...