Why is Every Fullback Used Differently?
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Chapters
00:00 Roles and Functions
00:29 The Evolution of Fullbacks
02:44 The Rise of Inverted Fullbacks
04:51 the Trent Alexander Arnold Experiment
05:58 Trent Vs Zinchenko
08:11 The Future of Fullbacks - Sport
When James talks about long shot specialist fullback, the first name popped into my head is John Arne Riise.
😂 Underated player. In Manchester United vs Liverpool, he was always there to give a scare
or christian pander
Roberto Carlos???
Broke Alan Smiths leg with his shot power 😳
James' comment on full backs being long range specialists makes so much sense! Just look at Grimaldo at Benfica and now in Leverkusen. The opposition defences are always afraid when he gets the ball in a dangerous space. Is he going to shoot? Long pass to the striker in the front of the goal? Make a through pass? Or a pass to the winger who is running on the sides? Just the fact that he's so good in passing and long range shooting creates little chaos in the opposition's defense. Oh, what do I miss him in Benfica.
Plus, it's so entertaining to see those long shots! Football needs more of those! Let's create chaos! hahaha
In Brazil, the Diniz's Fluminense do it something interesting. Marcelo attacks like a inverter fullback, Nino avances like a midfielder to help um build up and André falls into a centreback position to cover empty space
The future of football is more players polyfunctional
Interesting but not new. Older Maldini, on the occasions he was still played on the left, used to do the exact same thing. He'd carry the ball centrally until he reached Pirlo, release it, and just kind of sit in a DM spot while Pirlo went wherever. Seedorf would drag wide or, if that wasn't working, Ancelotti would just throw Serginho on and say "wider".
I prefer this style of football and I like Diniz a lot, but I don't believe people should be showered with praise for reinventing the wheel.
Shout out for showing Nilton Santos, widely considered in Brazil to be the first fullback to overlap, as of the 50s
Yeah .. the era of the 4-2-4
The likes of Garrincha, Djalmar Santos
Before lahm, Guardiola has already used Alves as inverted full back, although in a more attacking way as he later would do with Cancelo. Lahm was the first inverted full back with creative responsibilities he used, but not the first one to ever use.
Pep at barça used Abidal like LB and CB and Alves was like a RW not inverted for me. They played like 3-4-3 Diamond cruyff style pedro, villa and Alves was the front 3 and Messi was the player free or CAM.
@@HT3897 oh but he was indeed. In the 5 upfront (235-325 in attack) Pedro was in the right wing and Alves in the right half space most of the time, although it is true their positions were interchangeable. It's true though that Abi was his Walker back then, both as cb or dm (325 and 235 respectively)
@@HT3897What do you mean RW Dani Alves was inverted, Pep just didn't use that term..
Alves would go rogue on occasion, not the same thing
I think diogo dalot is very interesting profile, can operate dynamically in several roles in a single game can invert to 6 for buildup play, creative option from the wing, edge of the box threat and can play as a cm effectively, also as a 3rd cb with long range passing ability. he is technically gifted, fast can dribble and has insane possessional iq, he is no where near his ultimate potential yet, but honestly this guy is slept on too much by their own fans too. mourinho wasnt wrong when he said he was the best fullback for his age.
all he needs is someone like Pep or Xabi to coach him
Dalot deserves so much more praise
In the future, every player might be able to do everything. The position rotation might be more extreme.
Today many CBs have pace, aerial ability, strength, ball control, accurate passing, great vision. Also some Fullbacks/Wingbacks are good fonishers like Frimpong, Grimaldo, Guerreiro, ...
I imagine a lot of that is the training they do now.
All in all the ideal situation is a team full of big lads for set pieces with technical ability. But probably the odds of getting big lads with the talent is lower. So probably still see some profile differences
Nothing particularly futuristic about that Holland almost won a World Cup doing just that, they were just unfortunate to meet prime Franz Beckenbauer and the West Germany machine
@@Wilcorankingexacto
see: girona
Here's a challenge, go back and look at Ledley King (Spurs legend) who in my opinion is the most gifted center back in England's history, wasn't particularly tall but whose timing was so impeccable he rarely got beaten in the air. Had it not been for constant knee problems there would be no doubt about his greatness.
He was so good they often put him in midfield for England.
There are no players currently playing as good as Thuram, Desailly, Rijkaard, Krol or Nesta. Marquinhos comes close but his reading of the game is too inconsistent. Only Silva and Bonucci (both past their prime have that special ability beyond just tackling.
FM’s understanding of football theory is very classy.
Him and The Purist Football
He's saying inverted fullbacks is mordern football when this had been going on for decades way way before Pep even stepped foot in Germany.
One day we will see goalkeeper playing right next to center-backs while their team has position and playing in opponent half .
And some times Edrson doing it this season.
Playing next to the center back for what purpose? All that would do is create confusion. Although I'd love to see someone try because the number of clips of keepers comically running back to try and stop long range shots and getting confused because they aren't sure if they are in or outside the box in moment of panic would just glorious.. 😁😬😜
@@Wilcorankingmancity already did that many time
One day the goalkeeper will overlap the fullbacks to send in a cross 👌🏾🔥🔥
@@katagiri_yuuichi_69 no they didn't, Guardiola isn't that stupid and Ederson isn't that good.
Just to be clear, are you telling me that while an opponent is attacking, Ederson goes out of his area to become an auxillary defender? 🙄
Perhaps you could point to even 1 game where that happened... I'll find the actual moment. Otherwise any idiot can run out of the area when their team is in possession. Higuita was doing that for Colombia decades ago.
I think he meant on buildup stages, ederson are involved a lot and yes at some moments he even push almost as high as their CB
With goalkeepers like alisson and ederson becoming popular, there are possibilites where young goalkeepers out there actually training their long passes
The winger might change..
Looking at PSV; on the right Teze - Bakayoko is combo inverted back & traditional winger, however on the left Dest-Lozano is different, Dest is practically the winger and Lozan plays inverted giving the 10 option to move inside the box
Roberto Carlos in a moden day fullback role would be crazy! It's a funny thought experiment to think what roles older players would have in todays tactics.
They'd all be stifled and boring, because today's tactics are nauseatingly dull, compartmentalized and statistics-based.
Luckily for Roberto Carlos, Spain doesn't have England's formation obsession, so he was never limited in that way. And seeing videos like this as an Italian, and hearing people talk about the "revolutionary idea" that roles are more important than positions, is hilarious. It has always been like this.
@@YevOneginexcellent... I am so sick of this idea that today's football is so advanced. There is nothing new about it, they just give it these idiotic terms like "inverted fullback" which Paul Breitner was doing 40 years ago. Or "false 9⃣" which Arsenal did by converting Ray Kennedy from midfielder to striker in the 70s. There is no modern football, it's really nowadays football. I really hope people like Diniz, Motta, Alonso and Fabregas bring back allowing the really creative mind like DeBruyne, Wirtz, Bellingham, even Foden to flourish unimpeded
@@Wilcoranking Don't forget, Bellingham under Ancelotti is unrestricted and thriving. Ancelotti is the best, especially when it comes to creativity.
I agree with you to some extent that football is football. Puskas was a false 9 in the 50s and Junior played as inverted fullback for brazil 1982. But R.Carlos couldnt move anywhere like Theo,Di Marco or Trent are allowod to do today. I really like Diniz and I think it was a big mistake that Brazil sacked him. He plays football the way I enjoy it. @@Wilcoranking
@@Wilcoranking The "false 9" existed far before Ray Kennedy. Don Revie with City in the 50s started it in England, which they took from Hidegkuti and the Hungarian Golden Team, who in turn were inspired by Mathias Sindelar.
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I would've loved to have seen the inclusion of the late 1990s/early 2000s tradition of playmaking left backs in Brazilian domestic football. Players like Athirson at Flamengo and (especially) Felipe at Vasco de Gama came inside to run the game years before Pep Guardiola "invented" the position (Pep knows Brazilian football; he was extremely complimentary about the Sao Paulo team who beat the Barcelona team whose midfield he anchored in the 1992 Intercontinental Cup -- precursor to the World Club Cup. No doubt he took some pointers...).
In fact, if it wasn't for the oafish conservatism of Fabio Capello we could've seen the playmaking Brazilian left-back in Europe 15 years earlier -- but when Capello joined Roma he took one look at Felipe, whom they had signed from Vasco de Gama, and demanded he be sent straight back!
BTW, Athirson also made it to Italy, and also did nothing -- lasting 5 appearances at Juventus before being packed off back to Flamengo.
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Another great piece of tactics insight. Thanks mate! Glad to see you well and back
Can you pls make a video about Real Madrid this season? What Ancelotti is doing with so many injuries deserves more attention from football fans
Yes!
Waited so long for an upload🙏🔥🔥🔥
Good to hear from you again
I enjoyed watching this video so much! One of the best Football analysis Video I have seen recently. And I can imagine the hard work behind this! Thank you ❤
I think strikers will be false holding midfielders soon.
You both are great! nice colab
I miss watching your content. Welcome back 👏🏽
great video as always, i love your content
Great detailed analysis bro ❤❤
Excellent work as usual.
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James is spot on about the long shot specialist I mean just look at what Grimaldo has been doing this season
not only that, grimaldo's set piece ability cannot be underestimated
very informative bro
Analyse Ben White role especially during the Westhampton 0 Arsenal 6.
very good video like always
Honoured to be invited on 🤝👊🏼❤️
Talking about spurs fullbacks in this video's topic is a must, porro and udogie have been incredible this season
great video. for those interested in this topic i suggest them to watch videos about Ferdi Kadıoğlu, he is the left full-back in Fenerbahce. He dribbles, shots, creates assists, and he is not part of the buildup, he is THE BUILDUP. We will probably see Ferdi at a high-level club this summer and he is a very good example of this video.
I think in 10 years centrebacks will participate even more in build up and contribute to attack more often. Nowadays, being a good centreback means knowing how to play with the ball on your feet, so this will expand even more in the future.
GKs aren't supposed to be able to stop shots and defenders won't be able to defend soon? What a beautiful game!
They were doing that decades ago
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My favorite was Liverpool 2018-2020's fullbacks. Basically played them as their main playmaker and their centerforward as some kind of false 9 that does more pressing than actual offense. Genius. Too bad, the box started to get unlock and the weakness was shown. But god I loved that tactic, it played so nicely !
Junior and Leandro in Brazil 82 National Team pioneered inverted and playmaker fullbacks
CB's may be more involved in the attack than before, replacing the big strong CB's of yesterday.
You need to get a little better information. Baresi, Maldini, Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Ledley King were doing that years ago, the modern center halfs are more robotic than ever because the really skilled ones are pushed into midfield. Rodri would be the best in the world if he was switched to defense
Superb video about full back
wat i like bout fbs nowadays is even the defensive ones have good attributes that can be used in build. e.g AWB seen as only 1v1 fb is actually a very good dribbler n ball carrier despite his awkward long legs n aesthetic, Great on cuts n low crosses n excellent short passer especially in the playing out
Attacking CBs and Libero are coming back. Especially with 3 CBs becoming more popular
Goalkeepers will be the next revelation of positional play, already there is more focus on their ability to play out from the back. But if see them almost progressing to members of the back line in playing out but also supporting teams that play high back lines in n sweeping up through balls.
This
Ray Clemence was doing that at Liverpool 45 years ago. It allowed them to play flat instead of using a covering center half. It only worked because he was a big agile 6'2"and man with extremely long arms and a great reader of the game. That will never be a trend, don't have to be a tactical genius to realize that all you'd have to do is pin the keeper in the box with occasional, unpredictable long range shooting and switch the ball from flank to flank with early, diagonal crossing. No manager would be dumb enough to risk that.
@@Wilcoranking my point is only relevant to when the team is in possession, obviously no team would leave the goal unguarded in the defensive phase. I think this tactical approach is already being implemented by some coaches but you need a keeper as you said with the right skill set. For example, David Raya in the game vs West Ham on the weekend was pivoting to the left edge of the 18 yard box to form a back three with Saliba-Gabriel-Raya! This allowed Ben White to invert to midfield therefore in build up Arsenal always had numerical superiority. In the race for greater control, the goalkeeper is the ultimate trump card as unless the opposition goalkeeper joins the press if you’re brave enough to play him high and he has the ability and temperament to progress the ball in build up you’ll always outnumber the opposition.
Isn’t this what Ederson already does for City for a number of a years? Or are you suggesting further evolution integrating ball playing sweeper goalkeepers into positional play?
That existed with Cruyff back then
Look The center back wide (in italian braccetto) of inter: pavard or Darmian or bisseck at right, whoms are more in advanced space (pavard in Inter’s goal against Juventus) and bastoni or acerbi at left, with more throught ball and overload with Dimarco Bastoni. Also the center of the three (Acerbi and De Vrij) is continuing to get more advance progression (like against Atletico Madrid in Champion league). (Yes, I’m an Inter fan).
Would love to see a video about 2008 Arsenal, prime Wengerball imo!
Please do a video on 5-4-1 formation 🙏🏻
Great video. I think GKs will become more and more offensive somehow
They were more offensive until this play it out from the back concept became an obsession
Overload. Extra playmaker from fullback, plus sweeper keeper
You should watch Lutsharel Geertruida from Feyenoord. He is one of the most scoring inverted backs in Euro
Shorter CB's and strikers if heading the ball is banned or restricted in some way.
Every time i heard the words "Inverted Fullbacks " GUARDIOLA come to my mind , the influence he have in the Premier league is massive if he stays another 8 years we may see CDM playing as Striker and GK as Leftback 😅.
We must alwys remember how Baines and Coleman played for Everton
Wenger revolutionized English football by popularizing the attacking fullback tactics, Klopp won EPL/ UCL with his playmaking fullbacks to whip long-crosses to the penalty box, Guardiola/ Arteta are popularizing inverted-LB tactics in EPL and Alonso's fullbacks are RB Leipzig's most productive players
thoughts on grimaldo and frimpong
I think poacher wingers are going to become larger in the future, as they make a run into the box following the striker
hi from Costa rica, i love your videos, i'd like to coach someday
How are you able to look at all fullbacks on xvalue?
Well I remember players like Sneider and Ozil but now the no. 10 is dead. Somehow I do see the return of the belters coming back, from 40 yards outside the box shots.
Talent is never dead, it's just ego and narcissistic mangers give you that illusion. There are players born with such extraordinary ability no manager can stifle. Barcelona tried doing that Maradona and then he went to Napoli and made them regret it.
What's the difference between role and function?
Could you do Thomas Tuchels tactical errors?
Key narrative: "Forces the opposition to make a choice".
Inverting Fullback + Long-Shot AND Set-Piece Specialist: i present you Alejandro Grimaldo
Can you Analyse RUBEN AMORIM Tactics at sporting Lesbon
Attack with 11 players. Defend with 11 players
Should have explored content on Fb-Cb hybrid role as well.
Yeah good tip I'll keep that for a future video
Gutierrez is a very good fullback and I hope Madrid bring him back instead of buying Davies. It’ll save them so much money(Ik he’ll be more marketable but they still need a lot of Spanish players in the team)
Hope to see Theo here, what kind of full back is he
We still want to see you manage a team
Can you make a video about Leverkusen's tactics explaining the fullbacks' function
He already did Leverkusen 4 months ago
Klopp liverpool is certainly weird, they are a team where your striker is a pressing machine, your full backs is playmaker, your midfielder is defender, your winger is target man/finisher
Zinchenko is just as much a liability defensively as Trent is, if not more. To say he's more press resistant than Trent is a strange shout
Why don't teams simply play 3 defenfer formations?
Johan Cruyff used inverted fullbacks at Barcelona, where Guardiola learnt the idea.
Excellent channel, by the way.
ST will be completely different in 10 years
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Which Manager would Suit to Barca next Season that are linked to the job??
You're over thinking this massively, its a language barrier. "fullbacks" don't even exist in most of the world, just "wide players".
If you're focusing on wing backs moving into the centre, thats been happening since the 60s. Its just more effective now because most teams use zonal marking. In Argentina, you man mark wide players precisely to stop this from happening. In Holland, Seedorf and Davids were doing this exact role at Ajax, but they were called midfielders. Their positioning and movement was exactly the same. In Italy, this is standard Mezzala play, but they cover a different spot in defence because Italians generally don't press high.
tl;dr: fullbacks haven't changed, teams just don't know how to defend anymore, which is why almost every side in the world, even Madrid and Liverpool, constantly end up with the other teams' fullbacks moving through the channels and cutting a ball back across goal.
can u talk about bayern ?
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Puskas was inverting fullbacks weeell before Pep; but in football kayfabe Pep invents everything (even though he's actually invented nothing.)
full backs have become more important, but are definitely not the most important players.
It's mad how the W M has become a thing again. What's old is new again
Do Feyenoord bud!
Most important, but not used in any system. For example Alonsos Leverkusen doesn’t even have fullbacks
And then there is aaron wan bissaka
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Fewer instructions. Or less instruction. The joys of English!
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Tell that to real madrid
This myth "mordern football"
We just saw Lahm, Dani Alves, Abidal, Marcelo, Cafu, Riise, Ashley Cole, David Alaba, Evra, just to name a few do it decades ago and they were way way better at it than today's Fullbacks.
There's no such thing as mordern football the Premier was just so far behind Tactically that ever since Pep and Klopp stepped foot in England they think everything they're seeing them do is new.
Do you know who wanted to play Roberto Carlos as a inverted fb? Roy Hodgson. And R.C wouldnt have it....
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Fukuda was right
Alexander Arnold is one the worst defenders I've seen in recent memory. Yes, he is a superb passer and attacker in general. The problem? If he is not delivering in attack, he becomes a massive defensive liability. Lately his passing and attacking play has been spotty. Which means his woeful defensive play has become a real issue for Liverpool. Fortunately Bradley has come through to fill that void. Arnold needs to move to midfield.
Goalkeeper
Allcot... Really?!😂😂
The fact you are saying full backs are "the most important", in terms of a team is wrong. The most important players are not any of the players you mentioned. Liverpool's most important player is undoubtedly Salah followed by VVD, Liverpool have won every game without Trent this season. In fact, they haven't lost a single game without him since his debut season. Their last defeat without him was January 2018. That's 23 games unbeaten without him in the PL. He's fast becoming the most overhyped and overrated player in world football, he's a good player but we've literally heard Carragher call him "player of the season so far" and it's embarrassing, he's not even the top 2 at Liverpool this season.
Similarly to Trents inconsistencies is zinchenko, Arsenal fans wanted him dropped many times due to his defensive issues, he's definitely not Arsenals most important player, that's Saliba, Saka or Rice.
The best inverted full back the PL has seen was Cancelo, he was incredible for 2 seasons at it, miles ahead of Trent and Zinchenko. Cancelo still wasn't City's most important player, it was KDB or Rodri.