@@martinkevin4827🐮might be nice, since his final question usually leads the carnist to say they would choose to live as a dairy cow. Of course, the emoji was created for carnists to humane-wash dairy. I’m not sure if highlighting that irony is good or bad.
Argument against appeal to normality: If you always appeal to normality, there will never be any social progress. What do you think about the people of the past that were going against normality to bring us where we are right now
Ally, thank you so much for going through comments, for responding to carnist nonsense. It really helps me out. I appreciate that so much 🤗💚 Sometimes it feels like the fight after the video is in the comments and I don’t always get to fight alone, thanks to you 🤗
Culture is a fact of our different lives and a basis of our morality which is subjective to those cultures, in much the same way as religion is culturally based. You cannot dismiss it as cognitive bias. Nor can anyone avoid supporting harm to animals in our modern society, no matter the culture or ideology.
@@veganpowerlab Avoiding responsibility is what we all do when it suits us or when we feel the subject is too faraway from our personal reality. Slavery was mentioned by yourself as something from the past that is no longer accepted, yet there are 80 million slaves in the world today. Someone is accepting it and someone is avoiding responsibility. Apparently most of those slaves are used in rice and soy agriculture production. Reality sucks the juice out of most arguments that depend on emotional responses. Which is why we fail to recognise that everyone supports animal harm.
@@roylewis2708 Show me empirical evidence for your claim that there are 80 million slaves and that most of them are used for the production of rice and soy
@@veganpowerlab There are several sources you can find on the internet. perhaps 50 million is a closer figure but obviously these are difficult to define.Cotton and other agricultural industries seem to absorb a great number and in particular rice. Soy and palm oil also mentioned. It is irrelevant the quantity or numbers.It exists and that should be enough to make the point which is not particular to my comments, although talking like slavery does not exist is relevant.
Idea, maybe for one of your Livestreams, play Would You Rather with Vegans. I think there is so much interesting discussion that can come out of all of these questions. I really think there is something up with people who pick the well fed farm animal option. It seems like something you would pick...it you want no agency in your life and just want to be another brick in the wall. The elites love obedient servants like this who dont question the system....hmm.
Good idea! I actually first wrote down like 2 of these questions for an interview I had on @veganforkindness’s livestream. And, Cam suggested I ask nonvegans this. But, I think it would be cool to ask vegan people, indeed, since the questions were changed and adapted to suit the outreach
Indeed. I think it’s more that they were conditioned to accept this. Lately, it’s been clearer and clearer to me that conditioning is one of the biggest problems when outreaching. Yes, people say a lot of things, but in truth, it’s their conditioning that is holding them back. Or so it seems to me
@coomerkiller imagine paying for sentient individuals to be put in gas chambers, to have their throat slit, to be exploited and abused for a fucking sandwhich… imagine trying to find excuses for it, while not listening to scientific consensus.. imagine
For the taste folks, can point out that a) vegan food tastes great, b) it's a life in exchange for 10 minutes of pleasure, c) it's a life in exchange for the 10% difference in taste pleasure.
People are acting when they bring up taste. It's usually they are too self centred to even try the simplest thing to change, even if they are going against their own morals if they continue to kill animals for the hell of it.
@@veganpowerlab I agree, and they're beautiful too. I sometimes watch videos with a Scottish chap who's a great trimmer. He works on mainly dairy farms in Scotland. So many of his followers simply love those "happy cows". They're stuck in concrete and iron jungles most of the year, but people truly believe, that what they see is fine. The hoof trimmer does great work, but that doesn't erase the fact, that those poor cows are being badly exploited. A few times I've commented on the very sad and short lives, that the cows live, but those comments are ignored. People want to live happily disconnected from the truth.
Can I come to the Rijksmuseum and talk with you? I already have my answers for the questions of cat/dog, dog/pig, type of animal etc. and I would like to go to the next level.
Oh no! Maybe next time focus on compassion and facts instead of aggression and judgment. Come check me out if you desire a more peaceful approach to activism.
Not convinced "peaceful" helps either, rather discussing within the contexts of reality with critical thinking and avoiding emotional arm twisting might be more productive. Unfortunately, the "street vegan" looses his audience when using emotional blackmail and his "facts" become meaningless, especially in today's society.
😊😊😊Good work and thank you for speaking up for the animals💚💚💚🐄🐖🐔🌱🌱🌱
Thank you for watching 🤗💚 never stop fighting for the animals ✊
A voice for the voiceless, thank you 💚💚💚💚
Great outreach cip.
We need an emoji for cip , Mike has corn , Cameron has koalas , vegan gaze has salads , cips 🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️🏋♂️
Maybe laboratory or muscle emojis!
@@mikethecornking like 💪💪💪for example
@@martinkevin4827🐮might be nice, since his final question usually leads the carnist to say they would choose to live as a dairy cow. Of course, the emoji was created for carnists to humane-wash dairy. I’m not sure if highlighting that irony is good or bad.
I like cows a lot, so maybe cows should be the emoji. I’ll think about one. I like that idea 🤗💚
@@veganpowerlab 🐄🐄🐄🐄
Argument against appeal to normality: If you always appeal to normality, there will never be any social progress. What do you think about the people of the past that were going against normality to bring us where we are right now
That’s a good one. Thanks 🤗💚
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Ally, thank you so much for going through comments, for responding to carnist nonsense. It really helps me out. I appreciate that so much 🤗💚
Sometimes it feels like the fight after the video is in the comments and I don’t always get to fight alone, thanks to you 🤗
@@veganpowerlab💚 🤗💚
Well done 👍🙏✌🌱
Thank you so much 🤗💚
Great work. I love your approach firm but friendly 💚
Thank you! I wanna be a bit firmer, though
Disingenuous carnist using the "culture" argument - the cognitive dissonance is strong in that one ...
Actually defended FGM - what the hell ????
Culture is a fact of our different lives and a basis of our morality which is subjective to those cultures, in much the same way as religion is culturally based. You cannot dismiss it as cognitive bias. Nor can anyone avoid supporting harm to animals in our modern society, no matter the culture or ideology.
It appears like he defended that. It’s weird how many atrocities people defend just to avoid responsibility
@@veganpowerlab Avoiding responsibility is what we all do when it suits us or when we feel the subject is too faraway from our personal reality. Slavery was mentioned by yourself as something from the past that is no longer accepted, yet there are 80 million slaves in the world today. Someone is accepting it and someone is avoiding responsibility. Apparently most of those slaves are used in rice and soy agriculture production. Reality sucks the juice out of most arguments that depend on emotional responses. Which is why we fail to recognise that everyone supports animal harm.
@@roylewis2708 Show me empirical evidence for your claim that there are 80 million slaves and that most of them are used for the production of rice and soy
@@veganpowerlab There are several sources you can find on the internet. perhaps 50 million is a closer figure but obviously these are difficult to define.Cotton and other agricultural industries seem to absorb a great number and in particular rice. Soy and palm oil also mentioned. It is irrelevant the quantity or numbers.It exists and that should be enough to make the point which is not particular to my comments, although talking like slavery does not exist is relevant.
As always, great work Cip! 💪😁🌱💯💚
Thank you so much, Donna 🤗💚
Idea, maybe for one of your Livestreams, play Would You Rather with Vegans.
I think there is so much interesting discussion that can come out of all of these questions.
I really think there is something up with people who pick the well fed farm animal option.
It seems like something you would pick...it you want no agency in your life and just want to be another brick in the wall.
The elites love obedient servants like this who dont question the system....hmm.
Good idea! I actually first wrote down like 2 of these questions for an interview I had on @veganforkindness’s livestream. And, Cam suggested I ask nonvegans this.
But, I think it would be cool to ask vegan people, indeed, since the questions were changed and adapted to suit the outreach
Thank you for speaking up for animals 💖💖💖💖
Never stop ✊💚🤗
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I wonder what other awful things he would do for taste
Indeed. I think it’s more that they were conditioned to accept this.
Lately, it’s been clearer and clearer to me that conditioning is one of the biggest problems when outreaching.
Yes, people say a lot of things, but in truth, it’s their conditioning that is holding them back. Or so it seems to me
@coomerkiller imagine paying for sentient individuals to be put in gas chambers, to have their throat slit, to be exploited and abused for a fucking sandwhich… imagine trying to find excuses for it, while not listening to scientific consensus.. imagine
@coomerkiller what trait does one need to have to be called an individual? (seems like you have a problem with that)
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wow great stuff!!
Thank you so much 🤗💚
15:20 - he's begging for Exp #2 - The Vegan Power ladder 😅
For the taste folks, can point out that a) vegan food tastes great, b) it's a life in exchange for 10 minutes of pleasure, c) it's a life in exchange for the 10% difference in taste pleasure.
People are acting when they bring up taste.
It's usually they are too self centred to even try the simplest thing to change, even if they are going against their own morals if they continue to kill animals for the hell of it.
@@djcat64At a minimum they are not really paying attention. Most meat doesn't taste very good, but most people don't bother to discern that.
Cip:" I guess you guys don't know what happens in the dairy industry"
Your conversations are so smoothe!
6 out of 6 cows to you
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Cows are such gentle beautiful creatures. It annoys me so much to see people treat them so badly. It’s so very sad 😢
Thank you for watching 🤗💚
@@veganpowerlab I agree, and they're beautiful too.
I sometimes watch videos with a Scottish chap who's a great trimmer. He works on mainly dairy farms in Scotland. So many of his followers simply love those "happy cows". They're stuck in concrete and iron jungles most of the year, but people truly believe, that what they see is fine.
The hoof trimmer does great work, but that doesn't erase the fact, that those poor cows are being badly exploited.
A few times I've commented on the very sad and short lives, that the cows live, but those comments are ignored.
People want to live happily disconnected from the truth.
Awesome work!
First 🥇🏆💚🌽🦄🍿
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The Corn King should always be first, ofc
A 20 yr old meat eater talking to a 40 yr old vegan......" I've been eating animals for so long, I cant stop now!" 😂😂🤣🤣
Can I come to the Rijksmuseum and talk with you? I already have my answers for the questions of cat/dog, dog/pig, type of animal etc. and I would like to go to the next level.
Haha.. well, you could come on a livestream also and I could ask you these questions
Oh no! Maybe next time focus on compassion and facts instead of aggression and judgment. Come check me out if you desire a more peaceful approach to activism.
Excuse me? Where exactly did you see aggression and judgement and not compassion or facts?
Not convinced "peaceful" helps either, rather discussing within the contexts of reality with critical thinking and avoiding emotional arm twisting might be more productive. Unfortunately, the "street vegan" looses his audience when using emotional blackmail and his "facts" become meaningless, especially in today's society.
the interviewer is clueless about the dairy industry. Keep lying I guess.
And what is the truth?