BMW E30 TURBO M20 VS. S52 SWAPPED E30: Which one is better?
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2021
- Finally, a video to settle the debate! An E30 with a turbo M20 or an E30 with an S52 swap, Which one is better? In this video, We talk about my car and the Ebay turbo build on the otherwise stock M20 and go over my friend's S52 swapped E30. We then take them on a nice drive to Mexico and do a few runs to see which one is faster. There is a lot of information, good visuals, and plenty of turbo and straight-piped inline 6 noises in this video. Subscribe to Car Studio and turn on notifications if you want to see more videos on BMW builds and much more!
#e30 #turbom20 #s52swap - Auta a dopravní prostředky
He said, I would never daily drive an e30... and I took that personally 😅
ive daily driven them before and honestly , in stock form dont mind it. But, I can never leave them stock lol
I did Daily the white e30 for two years.. 100 miles a day 😂
It has just spiraled out of control and it’s not something I want to drive that far with 215s on 10” wide wheels anymore.
Lmao, I don’t daily mine . But I have good excuse 😂, no ac and no power steering
I daily mine usually...but havent drove much and top wask leaking..now fixed.
Says he would never daily an e30 but has still sacrilegiously installed cup Holders lol
$3 for regular gas is still pretty cheap in CA😂
3.90 in SD
Right I just paid 4.99 for 91
The fourth worst part about Cali
Don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone 🥴
@@fuegococoa tell me about it bro 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ $6 fucking dollars now smh
I’m rather impressed you were able to beat/keep up with him. Get a good tune and fuel you’d be leaving him behind.
Nice video, the ratchet swap is the only one I'm interested in. The only one I'll ever be able to do. lol Keep it up!
I can’t wait for the ms2 and a tune, keep it up brotha 👍🏼
Gotta love the arm on the window seal while racing just chillin:-)
The transmission gearing is the reason for the different final drive ratios. The ZF310/320 boxes have no overdrive (5th is a 1:1) so they need long gearing in the diff, and Getrag 260s have something like a 0.85:1 overdrive. For your turbo car I'd definitely go with something between a 3.25 and a 3.73 final drive. I have a 3.25 in my turbo E30
This is the first time viewing you're channel, I'm from West Virginia as well actually so when you said west Virginia I got all giddy. I have an 1983 bmw e21.
I've always wanted an m12/13 swapped e30
I just picked up a 87 325 complete car for 250.00, really looking forward to getting it on the road!
WHAT THE FUCK. HOW
Got two E34s with M20s with over 190k miles, they are really reliable as long as they get their maintenance
I'll vouch for ya. I've seen e34 m20's in the 400k miles! Total bragging rights ✅
Mad respect for M20 bro
nice, do you know how much power has at 12? , put the MS2 asap, its a game changer boostcontroler , and wideband!!!
it hasnt been dyno'd but based off cars I have ran that were dyno'd Im guessing around 250whp. I am definitely doing MS2 in the next month or 2!
Hey bro I just bought Andrews car and came across this video by accident. Very cool! Tell him I said what’s up!
Sorry i just now saw this, Thats awesome! You got an excellent car he spared no expense building it.
Y love the bmw e30
I can’t afford either so I just went with a N/A m52 lol
this is great
would love to see a S52 swapped coupe for comparison
When both of our cars were stock and we had the exact same drivetrain our races were dead even. We both had the same diff ratios too. The cabrios dont weigh much more than the coupes.
Isn`t it an M52B28?
91 in SD is about $4.20
I was always wandering about this. M20 turbo or S54. Thanks for the video. We have to take in account that the convertible E30 is heavier!
Is that turbo kit will fit on E21 323i M20 engine?
If my car had a tune and supporting fuel upgrades, there would have been no chance of the S52 pulling the turbo M20. My car was fuel cutting progressively worse each pull we did. Yeah this kit will fit any M20 engine!
Keep in mind what he mentioned on the differential.
$3.60?!?! I wish. Try $4.50 in California
LOL, Premium $6.61usd in New Zealand
this makes me wanna turbo my m10 engine. i got an e21 so MAYBE even m20 turbo swap :)
Gearing is the cause, 4:10 but you could not take off the line as you should with that gear set. What this means is that your set up is no good ,you would have left him if you could get up above the 4500 rpm however note that the s52 was in third all the time i dont know how he would have fared in 4th and 5th because his gear set is also too tall.The S52 would be golden with 3.73 fd or some 3.46
What wheels is he running on his m52 swapped e30
They are M technic brand
Are those Meister M1s on the S52 car?
Mtechnica aeros
Man, that $3.60/gal gas sounds amazing right now...
you aint lying!
What ebay turbo setup? lol
stock clutch?
Yup stock clutch with unknown miles but has never slipped
What would you say you are currently at 230-250hp?
Yeah i would say 250whp. My friend had a prelude that dyno’d 230hp and i could pull him when i first put the turbo on.
@@CARSTUDIOYT and that’s with stock oem fuel management? Oem injectors , fuel pump? Lol
It has green top injectors which are from a stock m52 i believe. Thats the largest i could use with no tune, anything bigger was running so rich it burnt your eyes when driving lol. But yeah stock original fuel pump and stock dme. As you can see in the video it doesnt pull hard all the way through especially in the higher rpms. It needs a tune and more fuel bad.
@@CARSTUDIOYT I see a potential 275-300 with a good tune and more fuel . And a fuel pump upgrade lol
Man that white convertible...
Its a beautiful car, he recently sold it though
3.60 for premium? It’s 5.40 for regular in Portland
thats ridiculous! I wish it was still that cheap here, we are paying that for regular now but thats not as bad as where you are.
Try 6.50 for premium 😭
No such thing as a 2.83 e30 lsd. U surely meant 2.93lsd? Its easy for the diff tags to get lost in translation, for the age of these cars, I get it lol. They also had a 2.79lsd, pretty sure thats the longest one that was ever offered in a e30. I loved my 2.93lsd btw!
My 11/84 325e, 5speed barked 3rd gear, every day of the week! Completely stock, only adjusted the factory fuel enrichment switch on the oem ecu. Again, 2.93lsd, and a non abs car too! Even had the rare fuel cooler setup! My 05/87 325is, 5 speed, 3.73lsd, had a just a split second maf conversion, poly engine n trans mounts, tri flo catback, h&r coilovers, barked 3rd as well. I've had five e30s thru my car ownership. Im a fan, lol.
My 92 cabrio has a 2.93 lsd
@@masscomnet what engine/trans setup?
@@sidewayzmike m20b25 auto trans. I believe my 86 325es also has a 2.93 lsd with a m20b27 eta and g260 5MT. I also have an 89 325is with a 3.73 lsd with m20b25 and g260 5MT.
@masscomnet ok, so you have to tell me your opinion, haha. M20b25/getrag 260/3.73lsd. Versus M20b27/getrag 260/2.93lsd. I think they both serve their purpose. Highway cruising. City driving. Snow, maybe say 6" of accumulation. How about going full teenager and doing a donut?
Oh, and...wasn't the m20b27, the engine that saw the most gains, from just a eprom tuner chip?
How much does he want for his E-30?
I believe it’s pending right now for around $15k
@@CARSTUDIOYT Wow.. I picked up an E30 in August for $4,200.. Amazing how fast the prices have gone up..↗
@@skibootdier9488 I found one for 4k very good shape but currently unemployed 😅 and just hoping it doesn't sell just yet haha
@@hollowm.8416 Where is it?
That m20 with the right setup should have smoked the other
It definitely will this spring after MS2 and injectors/fuel pump. First run it pulled him easy but my car falls on its face in the higher rpms, just not enough fuel w no tune.
3.60 !!!! That is . California crazy over $6 per gallon 😢
😬
The ol bmw needs some more work huh but still not bad
Peanuts to what we pay in the UK for gas.
3 dollars for 87ron fuel? Thats £2.11 fuel is no way near that expensive 😲
Me getting offended at him saying he wouldn’t daily a e30 even tho I don’t either
😂😂😂
Tired of people thinking a untuned m20 deserves props no... tune it bro and upgrade that fucking fuel pump if you get greentops
I agree that it doesn't deserve props but I put off boosting many bmws for years because of how expensive it was and time consuming gathering parts and tuning could be. The videos of my car are more for motivation to just do it and work out the bugs later. I love how resiliant the M20 has proven to be and even with a low budget the car produced way more power than stock. I 100% plan on going MS2 and upgrading the fuel pump and injectors this winter and will update. There's definitely more left on the table in its current state!
Its 5$ now
Your gas “sky rocketed” yet it’s still cheaper than UK 🤣🤣
Apparently we have cheaper gas here than a lot of places, i wont complain anymore haha
3.60 a gallon!!!! That’s cheap compared to California 4.12 for 87!
Ouch!! I wont complain anymore about ours then lol
Democrat shit hole California
@@plugBONE exactly
Jesus christ funk that hope it comes down
I was paying $7/gallon in California 😂
that hurts, I wish gas prices were still the price in this video lol
yo 3$ a gallon no way
Yeah I regret complaining now lol
M20 is just as reliable as toyota
2.8 M52... Stock, reliable, lighter
M20 is lighter.
@@zanerasmussen8889 doubt that seriously. M52 all aluminium. By far lighter than the M50.
M20 is about 50lbs lighter than the M50. Look it up.
@@zanerasmussen8889 M52... is lighter. I did not use scales but lifted M20s out and M52 in.
@@kevinblankenburg4816 all m52s weren't aluminum
Damn, wish I could complain about 3 bucks a gallon for gas nowadays, thanks biden
If you wouldn't daily an E30, then why own an E30? I'd rather daily ANY of my classic cars than ANY pos drive by wire modern car with NOOOO soul
I thoroughly enjoy driving my e30 and will never sell it but. If I dont have to daily drive it then every chance that i get to will be exciting. Just like someone buying a motorcycle, they love riding but rarely do you see someone riding one every day as their only vehicle.
@@CARSTUDIOYT I get what you're saying. I think there's two different types of people in this scenario, just as with the motorcycles. There are folks that "love" their classics, and then there's folks that "live" their classics. I know loads of people that daily their E30s, as well as loads of people that daily their motorbikes. You might also feel a little different about your E30 once you get the running part of it sorted out.
you run a turbo and no tune? that shouldn't work.
Right? It did for 3 years though surprisingly, definitely not at its full potential though.
This us spec “s52” has nothing to do with s52 😉
Trust me, if it was a euro spec S52 that would've been mentioned and it wouldn't have been a race lol
The us s52 is the one everyone can get cheap parts for and that can be modded very well. Euro one, not so much.
@@frankburn6312 yeah but it’s more an M52 than it is an S52 ;)
@@kstoilov7571 it’s an S52B32US ...
@@frankburn6312 I know what it is man.. cmon.. what I meant was that what you have in the US as an S52 has nothing to do with what the S52 really is..
"filmed in Mexico"
I’m shocked at the actual location of this race. Usually police everywhere around there!
Thanks Joe Biden for the gas prices!!!
Still think BMW is overrated lol
Cool
BMW from the last two decades are overrated
Try out a well sorted e30 I’m sure you’ll change your mind
@@henris8367 MOPAR OR NO CAR!!!!!!!
@@leebailey6181 Oh, so you don't like curvy roads. . . ;)