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Bo Seo-two-time world debate champion, journalist, and author of “Good Arguments”-explores the culture of dialogue in fostering a healthy democracy.
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About the host:
Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur, educator, and currently a visiting scholar at The Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC), Stanford University. Gita is also just appointed as an Honorary Professor of Politics and International Relations in the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham, UK.
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:28 - Migration & Its Influence
12:31 - Debating Life
21:18 - The Art & Science of Debate
30:38 - Social Media Dialogue
38:31 - Multipolarity & Multilateralism
50:14 - Endgame
Never have I expected to see a world-renowned debate champion like Bo would be able to speak in an Indonesian podcast. Still can't believe the very person who inspired me and many others here in Indonesia to join debate competitions this year after reading his book is sharing his knowledge here with pak gita. His discussions with Pak Gita are enlightening, especially in the context of Asian societies where disagreement is often undervalued or misunderstood. In Indonesia, there's a tendency to disregard the perspectives of others and shy away from healthy debates, leading to a society where many are entrenched in their own views without considering alternative viewpoints. It's such a relief to see popular figures like Bo and Pak Gita bringing to light the essential role of disagreement in our lives. They emphasize how engaging with different opinions is not just about winning arguments but about broadening our horizons and understanding the world better. Thank you for inviting this truly inspirational debater pak Gita 😍
Kenapa kontes debat ilmiah, debat politik, dll. tidak terekspos dimedia sosial. Padahal jika perdebatan bisa dikemas dengan baik dan menjadikan konten. Itu akan mendobrak feodalisme, oportunisme, pragmatisme yang ada di Masyarakat Indonesia
Bo Seo has been my role model and inspiration in the debating world. I've been debating competitively since my first year in university. After watching Bo Seo in the 2016 and 2017 finals of WUDC, I was immersed in his argument, which enlightened me to join the debating club at my university and start debating. The decision I made back then to join debate club turned out unexpected, I won two times national debate tournaments and several times nominated to be the best speakers. Through debating, I earned a skill set to think critically and comprehend why certain people have certain perspectives on particular issues. Also, I learned that the most valuable things about being a debater, as well as being a human, is listening to others and appreciating their thoughts.
After four years of debating, what i learned is that no matter what your background, what you believe in, or what your ideology is, as long as you engage in debate using correct etiquette, you will always be heard and it feels like a relief.
Thank you so much to Pak Gita for inviting Bo Seo in your podcast.
Thank you for sharing and best of luck with your endeavors!
thankyou bro to share ur experience to all ppl here, to become understand what the purpose of debate or being debater. as far as i know some ppl still have skeptical nor pessimistic mindset about debate.
WUDC 2016 legendary opener speaker
"Good Arguments" by Bo Seo is an intellectual journey that transcends the conventional boundaries of discourse. Seo masterfully weaves through complex topics, offering a refreshing perspective on the art of argumentation. The book not only equips readers with the tools to construct persuasive arguments but also delves into the ethical dimensions of rhetoric. Seo's clarity of thought and engaging writing style make this book accessible to both seasoned debaters and those new to the world of persuasive communication.
And thanks to Pak @gita Wirjawan have invited Bo Seo directly to your Podcast to share many insights about Debate Knowledge and Bo Seo professional experience. I think this is an insightful session and everyone has to watch this to add our knowledge especially in the debating world.
What an inspiring conversation. Through this, I learned that “debate”, something that we consider as “taboo” in our asian culture is actually a life survival skill. Something that we don’t really talk about here in Indonesia. I believe that more people in Indonesia should learn about debate more formally!
Also, it’s so refreshing to see a young and brilliant mind like Bo Seo in Endgame episode. As someone who joined debate for a bit in high school, everyone in debate knows that Bo Seo is for sure a legendary figure if not the most well known one. To see him appearing in Endgame is truly a food for the brain!! Bravo for bringing Bo to your podcast, Pak Gita! Keep inspiring us.
Jujur, ga nyangka seperti pengalaman pertama saya menyaksikan Bo Seo di WUDC 2016, di mana dia meraih kemenangan sebagai juara. Pengalaman itu menginspirasi saya untuk mempelajari lebih dalam tentang debat dari Bo Seo. Sekarang, saya sangat senang melihat kolaborasi Bo Seo dengan Pak Gita, yang memberi manfaat lebih luas bagi audiens di Indonesia dalam edukasi debat. Bener-bener menarik dan menyenangkan! 😁🤲
Palki Sharma Upadhyay, journalist asal India yang menyampaikan berita dengan cara bercerita, berargumen, dan membuka ruang berfikir kritis kayaknya bisa menginspirasi.
I still remember the first time I ever tried debating, I didn't know a single thing about being a PM or what I needed to do, but eventually I was revealed the true beauty of the community. It's been nearly an entire year from then and I can already feel how my life has changed! Bo seo is a real inspiration for all us Indonesians, it's just too bad I missed my one chance to meet him :(
Bravo pa Gita, dapat mengundang Bo Seo, unk Program yg baik unk mengedukasi Debat, unk dapat di pahami & mengerti, poin2, intelektualitas, integritas, pengendalian diri perlu kontroller, itulah pentingnya memiliki wawasan luas sehingga dapat Memahami dan memilah2 problem
The conversation explores the challenges of debating, the psychological aspects of defending uncomfortable points, and the role of debate in addressing societal issues, especially in the context of a multipolar world and the impact of technology on public discourse.
The strength to debate came from a desire to compensate for a lack of voice and real relationships, shaped by the experience of migration and the racial challenges faced by his family. Bo Seo emphasizes the role of teachers, coaches, and mentors in shaping his debating skills and highlights the transformative power of debates in fostering understanding and engagement.
Thank you Pak Gita and Bo Seo for the discussion! As a student who used to be active in high school debate competitions, Bo is one of the figures that I really look up to. His understanding of debate and experiences are always very insightful and enlightening.
So glad that I was able to attend your sharing session in Eduquip's event in FH UI several months ago!
I love his body language powerfull and his speaking clam and clearlly, that tha art of speaking
Having some experience in the debating community myself, Bo has always been one of my biggest inspirations to keep on going and improving, really appreciated the unique perspectives that Bo brought onto the podcast, thanks Pak Gita for this amazing conversation!
"Democracy means dialogue, debate, discussion". Pihak yang tidak mau berdialog & berdiskusi secara terbuka, selalu mendistorsi dengan melabeli debat = pertengkaran, dan ini bukan budaya timur. Anehnya di bbrp negara Asia otoriterian tumbuh subur dengan ciri khas pendekatan kekusaaan dengan pembungkaman & kekerasan.
Watching this interview, it reminded me why i started debate and why i keep driving to do better. Bo Seo's video regarding how to argue was the first ever video i watched regarding debate and it truly was what pushed my passion further. He has been a role model for me especially within debate, this interview truly was inspiring as in Indonesia there is sometimes an incentive and tendency to overlook and put these crucial and enriching debates on hold leading to a society where people always think they are right. Personally debate, Bo seo and my coach has changed my life because it thought me how to think critically and always find a way to talk about different views within the world and why a certain thing happens or why certain groups and people are against a certain idea or action. In summary,due to debate, I learnt more about the world and broaden my horizons to more opinions. Seeing that these popular figures such as Bo Seo and Pak Gita discussing the importance of having disagreements and how it's not always about winning but rather about being open to other's opinions in order to help the world become better. Overall, debate has changed my life and is now a part near and dear to my heart that i cannot and will never remove as it truly is something amazing when people do it. Thank you Pak Gita and Bo Seo for having this conversation and inspiring us all
Thanks Pak Gita and Bo Seo !! I strongly believe advancement of the society is also indicated by the way people can agree to disagree and live with that.
Most of us initially views debate as the ability to defend argument -whether or not it’s actually the right narrative, seeing Bo Seo in approaching debate reveal a new wisdom
Thank you for sharing..
@@gwirjawanpa gita tolong sampaikan ke rocky gerung ttg hal ini dan visi end game
Sangat sangat luar biasa pak gita dan tim untuk memberi wawasan ini. Terus lah memberi ilmu kpd saya. Terimakasih
Wah luar biasa pak gita. Saya pertama kali mengetahui Bapak Bo Seo dari channel Big Think. Akhirnya Indonesia juga bisa mengundang orang seperti ini. Terima kasih pak
Ga nyangka ngundang Bo Seo. Bulan September lalu saya selesai baca buku beliau, Good Arguments, bener-bener saya praktikkan, dan luar biasa berpengaruh di kehidupan saya. Keren Pak Gita bisa ngundang Bo Seo. Terima kasih Pak Gita dan Tim Endgame.😁🙌🏽
Bukunya Sub Indo yah bang? Kalau boleh tau beli dimana
judul bukunya apa bang dan beli dmn ya..
@@alvindarojat4207 answer it on behalf, the book is titled Good Arguments: How Debate Teaches Us to Listen and Be Heard
As a new debater, Bo's understanding of debate and his experience really helps me get over some struggles. Its very cool seeing him here, thank you Pak Gita for this wonderful and knowledge filled episode.
Percakapan yang sangat insightful dari Bo Seo sebagai seorang legenda debaters, semangat terus pak gita. Debate memang sangat penting untuk dipelajari
As someone who loves debating and is a part of the debating community, I found this really helpful. I still remember the first time I joined debate, not knowing a single thing about it and how it will change my life. Bo has been one of my biggest inspirations in the world of competitive debating and his insights here are really valuable and meaningful. Thanks Pa Gita for inviting him to speak!!
Bo's insight was truly inspiring, especially for a growing debater who looks up to him. Thanks Pak Gita for inviting him to speak on your platform, I learned so much more regarding strategy and real life application.
Very timely indeed Pak Gita. 😊
Somehow I sense a deeper yearning to associate the questions internally rather than externally, geographically.
Always loved your way of contributing to Indonesia.
Wow, bo seo, makasih pak gita udah ngundang sepuh world university debating championship
Such a brilliant podcast. I am thrilled to listen to Bo and Pak Gita's defining the substance of debating.
My understanding of debating is "EXCHANGES THOUGHTS AND KNOWLEDGE", respecting other people's thoughts with their great knowledge.
A great debater is being able to: Agree to disagree. Acknowleding the opponent's point of views, without having to agree.
Thank you for this wonderful "theme" of podcast, truly enjoyable to listen. Where at the moment I am a bit sick of the political arguments, that is going on now, that don't teach us anything, only showing each candidate's ego. Sad.....
Ever since I joined debate, I’ve been watching lots of Bo Seo’s videos and they really opened my minds beyond just debate stuff. Seneng banget waktu itu bisa ketemu langsung dengan Bo Seo dan Pak Gita di acara Eduquip & FH UI saat launching Good Arguments. So excited to see Bo Seo at Endgame!
Such a delight! Always in awe with the way Bo Seo think and speak (very structured, articulate, effective, and carries a weight on his every word of his speeches). Thank you very much pak Gita and Endgame team for the very insightful conversation between the two of my Idol in the same room! (was expecting both debating each other in between tho'😂).
bruh i used to listen to this guy when i was still active in debating competition back in my senior high school, never expect i would see him here
Pak Gita saya semakin kagum dengan bapak, dan juga pada setiap tamu yang selalu bapak undang. Kerendahan hati dan keingintahuan bapak yang mau berdiskusi, memberi pujian, berpikir tentang banyak hal dari berbagai individu terlepas dari usia, latar belakang, dll. Kagum dan selalu menunggu konten berikutnya yang pastinya akan membuat saya filled with awe and knowledge.
Very inspiring, from someone who is shy and try to hiding in his sorrounding to someone who won world debate twice, thanks for sharing your journey!
Pak Gita, your dedication to creating an educational podcast is commendable. Could you share with us what drives your passion for this project? Additionally, I'm curious about the challenges you've faced in developing this educational content and how you believe it contributes to the broader landscape of learning and education. What do you hope to achieve through this podcast in the long term, and how do you measure its success and impact on your audience?
How about: the team and I can sleep better at night once we know people at every pos kamling, coffee shop, arisan, park, all-you-can-eat restaurant, mosque, church, vihara, or pura in the country start talking about some of the issues we talk about on this channel (biodiversity, PISA scores, foreign direct investment, philosophy, AI, climate crisis, etc.)
One of the best conversation I've ever heard in my life
My first exposure with debate was in high school, when a friend joined the debate club, but watching Bo Seo made me want to continue to learn the intricacies of debating. Not only is it a great skill to have, it increases my confidence in speaking as well as my ability to think critically. It’s so great to have this in Indonesian media!
Much thanks to Pak Gita for initiating this incredibly important discussion with Bo. Though I can't articulate the importance of healthy debates in a developing nation as well as Bo does, we r one step closer to a society that does not consider speaking up or speaking out 'taboo', in other words, we are already one step closer to a better world. Once again thank you Pak Gita and Bo.
Selain belajar seni berdebat, saya juga jadi belajar pelafalan english di video ini haha😅
Cakep banget intonasi dan artikulasinya Bo Seo
Matur suwun Pak Gita sampun pareng pertunjukan kang manfaati
This really put things in perspective for me as a new debater, this was truly enlightening! Debating has certainly allowed me see things in a critical and more subjective point of view which is such a crucial skill needed for life. The debate culture in Indonesia has grown and become widespread but is often underappreciated or misunderstood, that’s why role models like Bo are much needed❤ Thank you for inspiring me Bo!
What an inspiring discussion. Kesini karena pengin lanjut dengerin diskusi waktu di FH UI😊
Dialog yg menarik dan memberi pencerahan. Rasanya perlu diajarkan ke para calon politisi. Debat yang beradab pasti berkualitas... Perselisihan akan memberi hasil yg berguna kalau berakhir dgn kesepakatan..
Love it..one of the greatest debaters...
As a former highschool debater, Bo Seo has inspired me so much over the years. Thank you pak Gita for inviting Bo Seo!
What an inspiring conversation! Thankyou Bo Seo dan Pak Gita~
Very inspiring! Love it!
My knowledge on debate is limited, but this podcast gave me a new perspective on debate. I especially relate to the part where Bo Seo talked about migration and its influence. Thank you Pak Gita & team and Bo Seo for this insightful discussion.
This is insanely good content. Bo Seo is probably one of the most qualified person to talk about this topic. An his message needs to be heard by everyone
Every time Pak Gita comes up with new content and new sources, it is always interesting to listen to. Thank you so much pak gita, your content has so much positive impact on your audience /subscribers
His 2016 open finals speech is still stuck in my brother's head somehow
Skillful representation of the uses and benefits of debates. I learned a lot from this video. 👍
This video brilliantly explains why debating matters, showcasing its impact on critical thinking, communication, and real-world success. A must-watch for those wanting to understand the practical benefits of debating skills.
Very inspiring! from this conversation I can learn that debate is not a matter of losing or winning, debate is not a matter of ignoring other people's points of view, and debate is not a matter of being dominant. However, good debaters are those who are willing to listen to other people's opinions and then respond to them wisely.
Thank you Bo Seo and Pak Gita!
Thanks RG, telah mempopulerkan dialektika pada periode ini.
Adab sebelum ilmu
Thank you for sharing the insightful debate video; it greatly expanded my understanding of the subject.
Sangat menginspirasi
Mantap sekali... saya rasa bpk Bo Seo perlu mengajarkan generasi muda Indonesia untuk lebih banyak berdebat, sehingga bisa terlepas dari polapikir feodal yang selalu menurut tanpa menganalisis
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks pak Gita,menghadir kan Nara sumber yg luar biasa 💯🙏💯
Love this session.
Your channel is a haven for intellectual engagement! The thoughtful debates and insightful discussions create a space where diverse perspectives flourish. It's refreshing to see a platform dedicated to fostering critical thinking and open dialogue.
such an interesting and insightful topic! please make more of this content! Bo Seo really broadens my perspective in debating field!
mantap, very inspiring 🙏🏻
honestly, i can’t agree more. debate has left such a huge impact on my life! in this age, all of us should develop a critical mindset to different modern issues-a skill that only debate can truly hone
Wah kontennya sangat insightful! Saya pernah menghadiri acara seminar di FHUI yang dihadiri bapak, selalu merasa mendapat pengetahuan baru! keep it up
Loved this video and this conversation! Being a debater myself, I can vouch that the skills I’ve learned in debate are used in everyday life. Debating has also opened up many opportunities in my academic career for the better!
Thank you for sharing such valuable content and fostering meaningful conversations. Can't wait for more enlightening episodes!
Mantap Pak Gita menghadirkan narasumber yg luar biasa🙏👍
very inspiring
Menarik sekali pembahasannya, sangat menginspirasi!
what this interview is awesone you got bo seo
very inspiring☺️
Harus banyak yg nonton nih, pengetahuan tentang debat yg sangat taboo di indonesia
Bagus banget pembahasannya masuk banget obrolannya, pokoknya the best dah
thank you pak gita, kontennya sangat informatif dan luar biasa🙏🏻🙏🏻
Msh inget bbrp bulan yang lalu beliau launching buku di acara Eduquip sm pak Gita juga, ternyata ada episode podcast nya juga di sini 😄
AKU IKUT JUGA ACARANYA, BERHASIL BELI BUKU YANG DI TTD BO SENDIRI 🤣
Gita Wirjawan! what a man you are
Suka nih. Keren
Wahh ada Bo Seo di Podcast Endgame Pak Gita, keep it up pak 👍👏
very inspiring video!😊
Luar biass sekali🎉
Suatu saat semoga bisa berbicara dan melahirkan endgame endgame lainya yg mampu membangun negri ini amin
Nice video and very inspiring..
Guess, we need more public listening classes than public speaking classes :)
Well done pak gita, openingnya keren banget, suka sama versi ini 😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
wahhh.. dapet banyak inside dari sini. obrolan daging semuaaa
Such a great videooo!!
Captivating content as always!
⚠️ KECERDASAN MANUSIA ITU TERBATAS DAN KEBODOHAN MANUSIA ITU TIDAK TERBATAS...
BO SEO! 🙌
Pak Gita andai bisa undang juga 'Palki Sharma' Indian journalist yang menginspirasi
Hadir Menyimak. Terima kasih Pak Gita Wirjawan sudah menghadirkan Bo Seo (tokoh debat dunia, jurnalis, dan penulis dari buku “Good Argument”) dalam perbicangan tentang budaya berpikir dan berdialog. Salam sehat selalu!
*The Conversation*
00:59 - Introduction
*Migration & Its Influence*
01:28 - Family background and upbringing
05:20 - Wisdom from his family’s migration story
09:51 - Role of inspirational teachers in Bo’s life
*Debating Life*
12:31 - First debating experience
15:04 - Winning the debate on a position you don’t particularly agree with.
18:41 - Open-mindedness
*The Art & Science of Debate*
21:18 - How to deal with bullies
26:38 - Gita Wirjawan comments on Bo’s non-confrontational manner
28:39 - The art, science, and cultural element of debating: The importance of listening in argumentation
*Social Media Dialogue*
30:38 - Reclaim the realm of conversations : bring back private space. Not everyone should want to be a celebrity all the time.
36:11 - Case in point: editors of Wikipedia
36:56 - Political culture
*Multipolarity & Multilateralism*
38:31 - Multipolarity within multipolarity
42:22 - Gita Wirjawan : The fast-paced world that we live in today forces people to think more like migrants.
44:01 - Bo : Migrating civilizations to a new unknown future
46:06 - Gita Wirjawan raises his concern about the lack of discourse in AI development.
47:18 - Teach people to debate to allow the shift of control on important tools.
*Endgame*
50:14 - Bo : Equip yourself with skills to serve a role bigger than yourself.
54:17 - Rule of law and democracy amidst social decay.
55:49 - Bo : Democratic recession not just due to talent selection but economic inequality.
58:53 - Lee Kuan Yew
1:02:57 - #GitaWirjawanLecture : The next 20-30 years for the world
1. Widening inequality gap
2. Greedy profitability pursuit of techpreneurs
1:04:38 - Bo’s end game : Education
1:06:56 - Gita Wirjawan : Is there anything that you would’ve done differently?
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Hadir isaaa❤❤😊
Engaging in English debates not only sharpens our language skills but also fosters critical thinking and effective communication. It's a platform where diverse perspectives collide, creating a dynamic exchange of ideas that enriches our understanding of the world.
Please do interview with syekh imran hosein, kupas keilmuan atau spesialisasinya di eskatolgi islam akhir zaman.
Good
what books of his that you would recommend?
unlike the other podcast while i can listen to them while doing the other shit, but to mr gita's podcast i have to give full attention to get best understanding.
what a ausome podcast (sorry for bad english) 🤣
Terimakasih Pak Gita sudah menghadirkan Bo Seo dalam episode ini, percakapan yang sarat akan makna. Saya sedang membaca buku karangan Bo Seo dalam bahasa Indonesia dan banyak hal dalam buku tersebut yang menginspirasi saya untuk survive dalam lingkup kecil, komunitas saya tinggal - bagi saya terutama untuk menjembatani perbedaan pandangan antar generasi, yang menurut saya menjadi salah satu isu penting dalam lingkup terkecil sebuah komunitas yang sangat beragam; Kemampuan mendengarkan dan didengar menjadi hal penting untuk perkembangan ke arah yang lebih baik, apalagi berada dalam komunitas yang mendasari pengalaman/usia sebagai tolak ukur pengetahuan dan pengambilan keputusan. Dari percakapan episode ini dan buku Bo Seo, saya mengambil nilai-nilai penting bahwa penyampaian argumen yang baik menjadi salah satu kunci agar mendengar dan didengar menjadi komunikasi yang efektif dan bermanfaat.
Yg bahasa indonesia judul bukunya apa?
@@user-mf3hr9ni2s Good Arguments: Menguasai Seni Mengutarakan Pandangan untuk Hidup dan Karier yang Lebih Memuaskan
i like endgame youtube channel!
Squirreling a debate is definitely my favorite thing to do now.
Keren sihhh 😍😍😍
Joget saat debat seru bang . .