but to say, I want to strike this ball so often, and be here with other people striking balls so often, I'd like to buy a piece of this place to assure my place here. I think that's kind of what Kcuf was talking about. ^_^
Or figured out that the drinks are 2-3 times stronger than at a pub, at roughly half the price in a place where no chancers can wander in and rob you blind because you've spent your regular boozing budget and are now twice as drunk as you would otherwise be.
I agree with David Mitchell that the bad kind of manners hit the middle class the hardest. However I would further posit that the reason those bad kinds of manners exist is because they are middle class people's way of earning their way up. They looked at upper class people and said "They do that, so if I do that I will have earned my place as one of them, superior to these slobs around me." In short, we do it to ourselves.
It is strange how many people in the golf club were very concerned with wearing the correct clothing. I don't recall hearing any of them saying much about how people should treat others, other than the bit about yelling fore.
David really tried to find common ground with that guy with that great insight over dress code being a means of avoiding social awkwardness. And then the guy responds with a comment about how disgusted he was when he saw someone wearing a baseball cap. He showed that for him at least it was nothing more than snobbery.
I think the notion of proper dress is not just tradition, or manners. Its Appearances. The plain fact is that what used to be called ‘proper attire’ is clothing tailored to flatter our bodies. To make us human beings look more stylish, well formed, and attractive. And that, today, everyone feels its fine to walk about in knit shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt, which, sorry, but make human beings generally look their worst, most slovenly, and lazy selves if they don’t happen to be a youthful and learn Adonis or Diana to start with. Once, while waiting in line to tour the Duomo in Milan, the group of 4 ahead of me, who were obviously Americans based upon their weight and knit tshirts and shorts and sandals, got to the door and the Italian guide at the door looked them up and down and told them they could Not go in the Cathedral dressed like that! He told them to go to their hotels and put on some respectful clothing. They looked to me to complain and I told them I agreed with the Italian. That the Milanese had spent 400 years building the most beautiful cathedral they could imagine, and here these tourists had traveled halfway around the world to be the most unsightly things in the building. The greatest compliment I got traveling in Europe was that None of the locals ever took me for an American. When I asked them why they wouldn’t assume I was American, they simply said that my wearing a simple collared shirt and long pants and closed toe shoes was far too well dressed to look like an American.
I suggest that the Lord and Lady Buchanan, who served dinner on paper plates and served tea in silver mugs, were implying that the vicar's family would break their dishes. Bless her, the vicar doesn't know when she's being insulted.
Kim Bheazley Well, at least let me take some milk for my coffee first! Oi! Come back! Bugger.......Not sure this new law is gonna work out for the best imho :/
Interesting points about rudeness being shown on the television. I tend to agree that it would be more acceptable if the program was a deliberate parody or comedy show which is meant to exaggerate aspects of our human conditions and living. But I don't like it when television programs make it all too blatant and standout-ish, to the point where it is absurdly obvious to anyone watching that the form of embarrassments or rudeness being shown are unrealistic, and worse- contrived. Certain shows like "the office" specialize in having their characters do ridiculously outlandish acts of embarrassment or rudeness that no one in the real world would probably ever think to do. I even feel that about Peep Show, certain things the characters do look contrived, as if to do a poo on the camera and then make a wide eyed expression as if to get the 'omg' reaction from the audience.. I could be wrong of course, and it is just my opinion but I hate it when shows do that. I hate it when the characters in the show are shown to do tricks and stunts just to put the audience in gasp mode, and then the characters look at the camera as if they want a biscuit for their trick. I don't like because it stands out and is blatantly obvious. However, parody and comedy allow for these types of things to be acceptable even if a bit obvious, because part of our human condition is to be able to laugh at all of our horrible truths or embarrassments.. Cheers.
It is probably not your duty to comment on poor scone making, but somebody may be in the position/relationship that should do so. Best friends should find a way to broach the subject of B.O. despite the marketing use of a supposed taboo.
I had to pause at the Great British Bake-Off comment because I tend to watch it out of empathy, not joy in rudeness. Comments of "you really botched that bit" and such are made out of commiseration rather than cruelty. Is this biting British rudeness that has simply gone over my American head the same way "bless her heart" from a Southerner means nothing of the sort?
Yes, but I'd say the in GBBO you can tell when people are commiserating and when they're being rude. There is a lot of kindness and understanding on that show. I would suggest that it's because so much of the judging on that show is objective vs subjective. If your bread is underbaked, no matter how pretty it is it won;t score well.
I had to pause there too. I always loved the GBBO because the contestants seemed so supportive of each other. I also paused at all the comments across the 4 episodes about how much ruder Americans are. I don't know if it's because I live by DC (politicians and diplomats) or if my family is just stuffy but all the standards of British manners David discussed are the same standards expected in my family.
What a pleasure! You never hear this kind of thoughtful musing on American radio. This series is like an audio version of one of Montaigne's essays.
If i ever join a golf club i'll know ive failed as a human
Now now, golf clubs are perfectly sensible tools for striking golf balls
but to say, I want to strike this ball so often, and be here with other people striking balls so often, I'd like to buy a piece of this place to assure my place here. I think that's kind of what Kcuf was talking about. ^_^
Or figured out that the drinks are 2-3 times stronger than at a pub, at roughly half the price in a place where no chancers can wander in and rob you blind because you've spent your regular boozing budget and are now twice as drunk as you would otherwise be.
Goodness David, button your shirt please. LOL
I agree with David Mitchell that the bad kind of manners hit the middle class the hardest. However I would further posit that the reason those bad kinds of manners exist is because they are middle class people's way of earning their way up. They looked at upper class people and said "They do that, so if I do that I will have earned my place as one of them, superior to these slobs around me." In short, we do it to ourselves.
My 74 year old dad still wears a jacket and tie when he goes out at night in a restaurant. I like that.
Nothing wrong with a jacket : It's when they start turning up for dinner in their pyjamas that you need to start worrying!
Can be nice, his choice but it’s just eating food man
It is strange how many people in the golf club were very concerned with wearing the correct clothing. I don't recall hearing any of them saying much about how people should treat others, other than the bit about yelling fore.
aderek79 This is what rich old people worry about lmao
David really tried to find common ground with that guy with that great insight over dress code being a means of avoiding social awkwardness. And then the guy responds with a comment about how disgusted he was when he saw someone wearing a baseball cap. He showed that for him at least it was nothing more than snobbery.
McFro95 FWP
Thomas Carroll ?
I like how the series ends with admitting how the "manners" of old were at the price of some damn upsetting prejudice
One always takes two pairs of trousers to the golf club in case one gets a hole in one.
Thx for the upload, really enjoyed it.
The people in that golf club really are the worst.
Just snobs. There was nothing behind their policy beyond people who wear ties being a better class of people.
Really? People who wear ties and agree that ties are proper for their communal dining room, they're the worst? The worst?
Has it ever occurred to these people that golf is a bit rubbish?
Golf is going for a relaxing stroll, while still getting to occasionally hit something.
😮 boooo
I think the notion of proper dress is not just tradition, or manners. Its Appearances. The plain fact is that what used to be called ‘proper attire’ is clothing tailored to flatter our bodies. To make us human beings look more stylish, well formed, and attractive. And that, today, everyone feels its fine to walk about in knit shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt, which, sorry, but make human beings generally look their worst, most slovenly, and lazy selves if they don’t happen to be a youthful and learn Adonis or Diana to start with. Once, while waiting in line to tour the Duomo in Milan, the group of 4 ahead of me, who were obviously Americans based upon their weight and knit tshirts and shorts and sandals, got to the door and the Italian guide at the door looked them up and down and told them they could Not go in the Cathedral dressed like that! He told them to go to their hotels and put on some respectful clothing. They looked to me to complain and I told them I agreed with the Italian. That the Milanese had spent 400 years building the most beautiful cathedral they could imagine, and here these tourists had traveled halfway around the world to be the most unsightly things in the building. The greatest compliment I got traveling in Europe was that None of the locals ever took me for an American. When I asked them why they wouldn’t assume I was American, they simply said that my wearing a simple collared shirt and long pants and closed toe shoes was far too well dressed to look like an American.
so was this a tv s how at first or always rdio ?
Nope!
We didn’t get a grip in 2023!
13:41 “Everyone got a grip on 2023”
That didn’t age well.
Why is his shirt so open?
He lost weight and is going for "sexy nerd" now.
Or it was quite hot that day and he doesn't have his genitals on his chest.
Guessing it was a director decision. Can't imagine David doing that of his own accord.
All need be done now is photo-shop in a string vest and send it off to the Daily Mail. :o
+Ayman B. How do you know him that well?
The posh golf club ladies embracing old tradition while being conveniently forgetting women aren't originally admitted into country clubs
When I used to play rugby, after the match we had to wear a shirt and tie after the game for when we had food with the other team
That's because rugby is a brutal game played by gentleman, in comparison to football which is a gentlemanly game played by brutes.
James Bennett gentlemen who didn't like working class playing their game.
I suggest that the Lord and Lady Buchanan, who served dinner on paper plates and served tea in silver mugs, were implying that the vicar's family would break their dishes. Bless her, the vicar doesn't know when she's being insulted.
Hahahaha
Well, Chinet paper plates are pretty nice. But I hate plastic cutlery so much.
If it weren't a crime to snoop into other people's houses, everyone would stop by? REALLY?
MMmm... Mind if I have a coupla spoons of those Kellogs? Thanks. (om nom)
Have you played any RPG?
Kim Bheazley
Well, at least let me take some milk for my coffee first! Oi! Come back!
Bugger.......Not sure this new law is gonna work out for the best imho :/
Interesting points about rudeness being shown on the television. I tend to agree that it would be more acceptable if the program was a deliberate parody or comedy show which is meant to exaggerate aspects of our human conditions and living.
But I don't like it when television programs make it all too blatant and standout-ish, to the point where it is absurdly obvious to anyone watching that the form of embarrassments or rudeness being shown are unrealistic, and worse- contrived. Certain shows like "the office" specialize in having their characters do ridiculously outlandish acts of embarrassment or rudeness that no one in the real world would probably ever think to do. I even feel that about Peep Show, certain things the characters do look contrived, as if to do a poo on the camera and then make a wide eyed expression as if to get the 'omg' reaction from the audience..
I could be wrong of course, and it is just my opinion but I hate it when shows do that. I hate it when the characters in the show are shown to do tricks and stunts just to put the audience in gasp mode, and then the characters look at the camera as if they want a biscuit for their trick. I don't like because it stands out and is blatantly obvious. However, parody and comedy allow for these types of things to be acceptable even if a bit obvious, because part of our human condition is to be able to laugh at all of our horrible truths or embarrassments..
Cheers.
As a somewhat fan of David Mitchell, I thought this a bit too dry for my taste.
It is probably not your duty to comment on poor scone making, but somebody may be in the position/relationship that should do so. Best friends should find a way to broach the subject of B.O. despite the marketing use of a supposed taboo.
I had to pause at the Great British Bake-Off comment because I tend to watch it out of empathy, not joy in rudeness. Comments of "you really botched that bit" and such are made out of commiseration rather than cruelty. Is this biting British rudeness that has simply gone over my American head the same way "bless her heart" from a Southerner means nothing of the sort?
+adamsbja I would have to say yes, sadly. The British can be quite sneaky with their put-downs... but I've only been here ~5 years.
Yes, but I'd say the in GBBO you can tell when people are commiserating and when they're being rude. There is a lot of kindness and understanding on that show. I would suggest that it's because so much of the judging on that show is objective vs subjective. If your bread is underbaked, no matter how pretty it is it won;t score well.
I had to pause there too. I always loved the GBBO because the contestants seemed so supportive of each other. I also paused at all the comments across the 4 episodes about how much ruder Americans are. I don't know if it's because I live by DC (politicians and diplomats) or if my family is just stuffy but all the standards of British manners David discussed are the same standards expected in my family.