First look at the Canon C200 with Kai
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Offering exceptional creativity and flexibility, the new 4K compact digital cinema camera is perfect for a broad range of imaging professionals.
As the first Cinema EOS camera to support the new RAW recording format - Cinema RAW Light - the Canon C200 provides the same flexibility in colour grading as Cinema RAW in a smaller file size, enabling filmmakers to record internally to a CFast 2.0™ card.
Newly developed Canon Dual DIGIC DV6 processors provide the ability to record internally 4K UHD/50P MP4, 4K DCI RAW and continuous 120fps High Frame Rate (HFR) in Full HD without crop. At the same time, advances in Dual Pixel CMOS Auto Focus (AF) technology and a new touch screen LCD monitor provide smooth AF operation and effective tracking.
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"Touch the lady and then touch the bush."
Sounds about right.
And the next sentence "the C200 has nailed it"
Same reaction 😂
That line has won a presidency.
just don't touch the lady's bush.
i didn't start looking at the comments until 3:08. sooo here i am.
Man, that 50mm 1.2 is my absolute fav lens around. On that setup it's even better.
The red hue on your hair is great Kai. Always trendy.
At first I thought it might be infrared light pollution due to cheap NDs!
I still want a c100 mark III. Hopefully it comes out this year.
"Touch the lady and then touch the bush."
It's Hong Kong language for "will you go out with me?"
As a 300 MKII owner, they better give us:
- Use of that touchscreen on the c300mk2
- A firmware update to bring the 60p4k and/or the non-cropped 120p to the c300mk2 (i beleive it is a matter of more efficient compression rather than processing power & cooling)
- A firmware update to bring the ability to record internally to RAW Light.
If not i really should have bought a used red/alexa 5 months ago....
Impale I agree that they should definitely give you some goodies.. but as far as a used Red or Alexa. I dunno, man. The Cinema line with dual pixel AF to me is all about the best quality possible when shooting on your own or with a very small crew. And in a codec that's easy to ingest and edit. Alexa and Red have different purposes. Alexa footy is gorgeous, though.
I completly agree, the point i was trying to make is that, knowing the lineup would change so soon, with the pricing of the c300mk2 being what it is, i would have made the on-set compromise of having to work arround a production body (getting a wireless followfocus system for gimbal/steadicam work would have still been a bitch) and logistics that go with it knowing they would "outdate" the c300mk2 so soon (and i understand they'll hold back on 4:2:2 internal to aim the c300mk2 more to broadcast jobs and keep the c200 for web content). Don't get me wrong I still love the footage i get out of it and the ability to throw it on a movi and get nice shots.
TLDR; I'm salty i don't get 4k60p & un-cropped 120fps @ 8bit and RawLight on a more expensive camera than its lower B Cam -_-
I recently shoot a concert with the Canon 80D and the Dual Pixel AF is killer feature!!!!
Great video. Something we've always been able to rely on with Canon gear are the familial similarities across the whole range. Even if you've only ever used an entry level DSLR, this camera won't be totally alien. As an 80D owner, I've come to adore dual pixel AF, and it's great to see it here too - it's certainly quicker and more accurate than I can manually focus, even in the most adverse conditions.
Kai is like a top gear presenter for cameras.
I love the body redesign. Lopt off the top of the pineapple and made it real sleek looking. Nice!
Canon releasing something pretty awesome for a change.
Does dual pixel auto focus work when shooting 120p HD, or do you have to focus manually only at the 120p framerate?
It does not, but you can use the manual focus assist which is still great. Jake
I can't believe Canon is still rolling out their "dual pixel AF" close to 5 years after it came out on the 70d.
I'm so excited Kai has a channel on camers shooting video! I love the love DigitalRev channel and im excited to see more video content, I am moving from my canon 6d and have been trying to decide between the Sony A7sII and the C200. I wanted a great camera for photos and videos but looks like i gotta choose 2 different cameras lol. I beleive i'll go with the C200 for especially working as a one man band its great that it has built in XLR hopefully that firmware update comes along making the c200 even more of a beast. Thanks Kai!
Love the Top Gear/ Grand Tour tone.
Your reviews are excellent.
Wow Kai is using a lens hood👏👏👏👏
I'm glad you're working for them. Love you by the way. =3
Okay can a camera guy educate me here, if we compare this to say a £1700 GH5. Both shoot 4k 50fps 8-bit internally.
What really makes this worth like over £6000 more if it doesn't have any better recording settings?
Great Canon got their stuff together now
I'm pretty sure that first song was nujabees. love his music. RIP
Kai, you are the most handsome man on CZcams, your blazer is gorgeous and your new hair color is magnificent, but could we start seeing a few more shots from the camera vs. shots of you...?
The thumbnail for this video is so Gollumesque. Maybe Kai likes the camera too much.
It will be fun to see how this camera will compare to the new panasonic consumer cinema camera, maybe the panasonic will have 6k....?
Uh... The gh5 does have 6k. That is old news.
Thank you. Ordered and excited.
Did I miss when Kai mentioned this channel on his?? I thought I'd missed one of his videos this week and realised it's another channel!
Whoo! First, sexy-ass camera, that 4K must be a fucking dream
What's all the exitement, it's a late comer by a long shot. 100fps @50p? Why not @60p? Why not even be ground breaking with 10bit 4.2.2 internally? There's nothing really super-terrific about this camera, performance-wise that the Gh5 wouldn't fearlessly compete with (& probably beat). IMHO.
Kai lives in PAL land. Don't fret the C200 does 60P and 120P in the NTSC world. And is a real video camera, unlike the GH5.
PlayPro Studios Depends on what you use it for. Performance wise over the GH5, you're going to get it's cutting edge dual pixel AF which lets you work with a smaller crew or even one man bad. You could even vlog with the thing, no problem. Better DR. The convenience and sometimes necessity of built in ND filters. (external ones don't cut it when you need to run n' gun or otherwise shoot fast) Built in XLR so you can rig pro quality mics properly and quickly. I agree that you can fiddle with the Panasonics to get a nice image (and I LOVE those PanaLeica lenses!), but the time loss and missed opportunity costs involved in non-professional cameras is enormous. The C200 is worth every pence or penny as it'll make many pounds/dollars, and save many pounds/dollars in a multitude of ways.
Dynamic range and 10 and 12 bit color are so much more important than 4K
Love the design...
The Samsung NX1 did touchscreen AF three years ago lol
There was a source I came across earlier saying that the camera was supposed to be targeted at $9k USD. I much prefer a $6-$7k USD price point.
Pricing seems to be all over the place C5D has the 9K but I have heard from other sources that range from 6K-8K depending on if you purchase the newer EVF option. We will just have to wait and see what cannon finally decides to go with. Most likely we'll hear the price at cinegear this weekend.
Shi Womino I'm pretty sure we all would like a $75 price point lol
but BnH seems to have put the pricing up. it looks to be 7,500 for the full set 6,000 for body only
Destroysall You can always predict Canon prices. Just think about what you'd like to pay, then add a few thousand to it.
Actually, it's $6k for the body and $7.5k for the whole package. That's pretty damn reasonable, right in between the FS5 and FS7.
Narration sounds like it was recorded in a corridor 😋
and yes, this surfboard on the grass, is a good representation of the capabilities of C-series Canon camera
Obviously, they will have to one-up it with C300 mk3. I think it will record 4K@120 (or at least like 90). On top of that, maybe SSD implementation? I mean with such huge files, cards are not going to be enough soon.
I doubt they will do a C300Mk3 with 4K@120 now you crossing into C700 Territory. Most likely it will just go up to 4K60p with 10 bit 422 and 2K 12 Bit 444 at 120 fps
James Jackson I agree it overlaps with higher model, but it's what they did here. I think that each entry in their lineup has to go up a level now
i disagree to a certain extent. The c200 is a weired ugly duckling that takes the best and faults of both the C100 and the C300. The 8 bit 4:2:0 is the key takeaway and that 10 bit is only accessible internally through the new raw recording. That is going to limit some options that this camera can be used for, which gives the C300mk2 more of a chance to remain the go to c-line camera for broadcasting and studio work.
Love your reviews 😎👍
I wonder what the rolling shutter looks like.
So id compare this to canons 6d, not in terms of movie recording but in terms of wifi etc etc. its again one of canons in between range yeah?
I just bought a c100 original
with the dual AF update? Also how do you like it?
I just got one for work, cant go wrong with a trusty c100
JohnLeeStills I still want the c100 myself.
BenFilm Production I got mine for 1500 used without the duel af. It's in mint condition too. Honestly I don't really ever use AF ever so I opted out of the 500 upgrade I'm much faster with my hands. Plus I don't own Canon S type lenses.
Jiffer I have a C100 mark ii. It's an awesome camera! The footage is awesome. There have been a few reviews that were just uploaded within the last few months regarding the C100 and how it still a great camera for 2017 and onward.
“Overexposure should disappear from you DICtionary” hahaha
I was actually sold on this camera until I watched this. Touch screen seems cool but I don't know if I could handle how smudgy it gets.
zachdaulton the c200 has WiFi connection and you can use your phone to do the dual pixal AF touch keeping your screen clean
Actually didn't think about that, but personally with as much as I work run and gun I could just see myself not having the time (or battery) to have my phone out. However, the wifi connection could eliminate needing an expensive client/director monitor system. Think I'm back on board with it!
Great video! Could you tell me if the camera is made in Japan? What about the build quality?
Please compare canon C200 vs RED epic, and suggest a better camera for Hollywood movie style. please let me know if you post that comparison video.
For people who thumbed down this video, do you even know who this legendary person is?
If that LCD screen doesn't flip around, how can I vlog with it?!
I want this, good upgrade from eos m lol
Is the C100 worth buying considering it doesn't have 4K?
what's that smooth background music? I've heard it in slot of your videos, it's vert relaxing
Rolex, Pam, this time IWC....so when can I see you wear AP?... fully support your work. PERFECT!!!!
Did canon kept their promise about the mentioned codec @ 4:50?
Someday I want to get so get with cameras that I can actually understand what Kai is talking about. Someday....
Smooth hair dude 👌🏻
Come on people, make 4:2:2 internal recording more of a thing.
@KurtyV, maybe never. That'd bring an abrubt end to the magapixel race which is reeling in the dough for these companies. Always something closer to, but never exactly what the buying masses actually need.
KurtyV The new Panasonic EVA 1 can do it
what abt it's low light performance?
It's you again LOL. I though you were on Digital Rev Channel
yeah, he cut ties with DRTV
OK I see
Most important question - is it Global shutter????
Most likely not from what I have gathered.
Quick question! Does anybody know if when your eye is in the evf on a bright sunny day that you can still use a joy stick to move focus point?
Why is NOBODY mentioning what a pain the C200 is when changing settings? Switching between formats (RAW/MP4/100fps), I need to check frame rates (RAW will default to 50fps every time) and resolution (going from 100fps to RAW will default to 1920x1080), then adjust my shutter rate, relative exposure, and native ISO in certain circumstances. Oh, for a simple 1/2 'settings memory', as on my A7SII! Or a whole bank of customisable settings presets, recorded to 'My Menu' and accessible via a customised button. Picture it... 'Tung 50P RAW 1/100', 'Day 25P MP4 1/50', etc... Also: (a) Why isn't FUNC accessible by clicking the nipple, as on the C100? My one customisable button on the handgrip is now set to FUNC, so where's left for my beloved One Touch AF? (b) Why did they make it such that the top handle prevents the viewfinder from angling vertically? I love to 'look down' on my subjects, and having to hold the camera that little bit higher when using the VF is an arm-killer!
but the canon 1dxii out performs it.....
I was going to buy a C100MKII... It stills worth it?
soooooo.....the c200 can shoot uncompressed raw with a color space higher than 444 internal, BUT it CAN'T shoot 422 10bit compressed internal......?....Doh!....I give up.
Does anyone know if the audio and DPAF work in slow motion recording or 120P?
**shackey camera engaged**
"The C200 has a new MP4 codec that is 4:2:0 8bit.." "...you have to use an external recorder to get a better codec.." There you have the answer "why" Canon C300 Mark II is still the "pro" camera - Update: "Internal recording: Cinema Raw Light 10bit or 12bit 4K DCI at up to 60P (1Gbps VBR). UHD MP4 150Mbps at up to 60P. HD 4:2:0 MP4 35Mbps at up to 120P (no sensor crop)..." - sounds better, but still, if you don`t want to use RAW all the time and want a robust image, seems you need to use the external recorder.
Martin Grof But with all the other amazing specs and cheaper price, does that really matter that much? I don't think the extra 2 bits is a deal breaker.
Ryan Anthony...well, depends on what you expect from a camera. I expect a robust image, that I can push hard in postproduction. And image is the most important thing to consider when buying a camera for real jobs, right? Or do you think that on an higher end production the fps or a "weak" RAW Light will save the day? I don`t think so. And Canon knows that. That`s why this camera is not C400, but C200.. IMO
Martin Grof I totally agree. But I think this camera is more of an Fs7 killer or 5D upgrade than competition with the C300 or C700, which are more high-end cameras that are trying to compete with RED or ARRI. They can always change the bitrate in the future with firmware update. I think this camera will give just as nice imaging as the C300, and at half the price. I've worked with 8-bit in post on high-end productions and have had no problems. It's about getting it right IN-CAMERA rather than fixing or adjusting in post. It shoots RAW & CLOG, so I doubt there will be terrible problems that you'd in encounter in post, if your DP is competent; which might make 10-bit a deal breaker. IMO
for 7500$ it only shoots 420 outside of raw?? What a joke. 8bit isn't considered broadcast compliant and it's not just about grading, there's way more color captured for a better image
you're wrong man look it up. This is Viacom's spec requirements:
2.1.1 Video Standard
HD video content must be delivered as 1920x1080 16x9
Interlaced (1080i) 10-bit 4:2:2 component digital video in
accordance with the ITU-R BT.709 part 2 standard, at 29.97
BBC is same thing.
2:40 Cinematography Database? Is that your logo? Lol
Oh u switched
Does the DPAF still work when you record in 100fps? It doesn't work on the C300 Mark II in high frame rate mode.
Nope, it doesn't sadly:(
Sweet spot would be around 6000 USD for this.
What's the camera guy's camera and it's terrible.
the C300 mark ii
I would categorise the whole video as over exposed, which is distracting for an audience who care about cameras
Camera guy's camera is a C300mk ii!!!
It is the camera.. or the camera guy. A good camera op can make iPhone footage look amazing.
I agree but that handheld style is on purpose, it has a more raw snapchat style, which makes it feel more natural and less like a review
Does anyone know the name/title of the Birocratic track used at the end of this video?
Is the chroma 4:2:0 or 4:2:2?
4:2:0 internally if you are not shooting in Raw in all resolutions.
Vlog music does not fit at all
in 4Kai 😊
带了TIM一起去的么？
i want to see it copeard with the fs5
nice video
what was used for filming this video??
i want to buy this camera, where the place I can buy it
Videographer needs a gimbal...a bit too shakey.
It should be named the c400 it seems way better than the c300 mk ii.
When is it shipping ??
Wtf, was that Aaron Rodgers? At 06:22?
Hmmm...I don't know...a used car or a camera?
Why does the screen have to be so far out from the camera? The C100 designs are so much better... ugh. Basically that’s why I didn’t buy this camera. The ergonomics just look like crap to me.
This is Canon's most well thought out C series camera design wise to date. The screen is on a pretty adjustable bracket that you can position, however what makes it extremely versatile is the fact you can remove it and mount it easily as the monitor has a 1/4 thread on it. This means you can actually position it wherever you would like versus the C100 having the fixed monitor. Don't let that be the reason you miss out on this awesome camera :) Jake
CVP it is the reason why I won’t buy this camera. The LCD placement matters to me with my style of filming “run & gun” the C100 mark 2 has the best LCD screen I have ever used for any camera.
Filmer Like I said I wouldn’t let how Kai has it setup here put you off buying when you can literally remove the screen and then use any 1/4 mounting system to reposition & reduce weight/size. The C100 has a good default placement but it’s restricted in comparison.
But also the quality of Kai is better than the quality of the video shot with the C200..... hmmmmm
For a camera, not the best commercial; just because the price :/ but i'm not an expert.
and......panasonic reveal the EVA 1
Using the word TV in anything is obsolete.
"...it's a touch screen, which means you can touch it..."
What watch does he wear?
huki11 I believe it's IWC top gun
nice
Too much camera movement, it really makes it difficult to watch.
Yes. His video people now seem to run good and not so good.
Which is kind of ironic when you are talking about video gear and are not capable of making correct videos by yourself...
I better subscribe LOL You are so funny and a great entertainer
this vs ursa mini 4.6K pro?
The Ursa is a different tool all together I believe... Why do you need to see the comparison? different tools for different styles of work. I would say It's a is more "Cinema" and C200 is more "Video"
***** thanks :)
raafjong moffel if you have absolute control over everything than an Ursa mini, if you want ease of use, great autofocus, great lowlight, great battery and the second best colour profile in the world then canon.
Let's not forget what's important is that your camera can get you the shot easily and professionally, I don't think BM have their cameras up to that standard yet.
As someone who has used the 4.6K (not the pro but they are closely similar minus the new ergonomic features) and a C300, I will say that they are different. If Best IQ is your ultimate endgame then the UMPro beats this (at least spec wise haven't tested the camera yet). The image from the camera is just breathtaking if you know how to use it. But knowing how to use it is key point and knowing the limitations of the camera.
Now if you are talking overall workflow and ergonomics, the canon c200 appears to have it beat, mainly in autofocus and low light scenarios. The 4.6k is no way a low light camera. The Ursa Mini Pro is best in controlled environments like a studio and cinema productions with a crew, or you can make it work on something like a music video shoot. However if you are a one man band that needs rapid turn around time with limited accessories, like weddings, corporate events and concerts, then the C200 is probably the best camera out there for you. The Ursa Mini Pro needs a lot more love to make it work, but again the IQ it can deliver is worth it.
James Jackson clear and clean. Thanks
wait, does all drtv "alumni" made new kind o project? sub all the way!
Stop moving the camera so much please. Put it on a tripod and allow me to focus on the person speaking. Then cut away to whatever he's talking about. I had to pause the video to write this and this is not something you want your viewers to do.
this is such a big fuck you to me since I bough my c100 mk ii last year
Welcome to technology.
not a camera, touch screen is not a viewfinder, canon has to rethink how camera operator works
It has a view finder, rockstar. *smh*
so you shoot it like a super 8 camera, 30 sec max
Emilio Murillo
Have you ever used this line of camera? Until you do...I don't see a point to your uneducated opinions.
Just using the nipple... yeah sure love doing that!
Please mate i hate how much you slag off grands worth of cameras !!
been watching you for years so think its time you give us a lend of a c200 or something 4k and we can show what it does for the Scottish Grime mandem !
Cheers
47 seconds was all I could take of this shooting 'style'.
at 4:52 in the dark yellow top. touch her...I mean focus on her...