What We Loved About Using The Canon C200 & Why We Are Upgrading!!
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Autofocus - 03:49
Body Design - 04:33
Our New Camera - 06:29
Conclusion - 07:30
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The C200 was the first time my camera wasn’t holding back the quality of my image.
It was such a massive step up for so many filmmakers! Now, we are spoilt for choice with cameras that offer incredible image quality!! Thanks for watching and commenting Tyler, big fan of your work. Jake
8 bit is insta reject from my perspective. who doesnt care codecs and grade, its no brainer workhorse for them.
@@lkptlst3256 what are your thoughts on Sigma fp?
The Canon C200 is one of my all time favorite camera's. I hope Canon brings back that same body style and ergonomics with all of the c70 updates in it at some point!
100% would love to see that!!
The new C200 has been rumored for 6 months now and is supposed to drop in 2023.
yeah Id say for me it goes C300mkiii then c200 and my fav is honestly the c70... like it may seem odd but that camera just delivers every time... hard to quantify.
I'm lovin my R5C too! As a 50/50 video/stills hybrid shooter with a lot of RF glass I was thrilled when it was announced and it hasn't disappointed even with some of it's drawbacks
The R5 C is so great for its size! 👏
It really is! What do you use to film your videos? Jake
What I love about the R5 (and wish I had an R5c) is you can shoot full frame or cropped frame in 4K. The makes the 28-70 2.0 the lens for virtually everything.
Unfortunately, most of my clients ask for content that is virtually all practical lighting making an FX3 the Ideal camera. Man I don’t want to reinvest.
I was one of the ones who should have bought a C300 mkii but ended up with a C200 at the time because I preferred the body and monitor design so much more. The C200 is a great camera, but in the end I had to move to a C70 that 10bit codec. There were just too many jobs with the C200 where a client wanted the files directly for another editor work on, and I found myself floundering around a few times trying to explain that I'd have to either shoot in 8bit, give them massive raw files that wouldn't play, or make them wait for me to transcode and send the files on later. It's a shame though because the raw from the C200 is incredible looking.
For the $7500 would the Sony FX6 be a great option?
@@donuts_are_good I think changing the system is not really something they want
I use both the C70 and R5c. They match with ease. The image is gorgeous. I use the C70 for static shots and the R5c on a monopod to follow movement. I will always follow what's new on the market but I think I'm done for a while as far as purchasing goes. Great work here.
Thanks guys! I really love the R5C. I think Canon has hit it out of the park with the R5C. I do wish they had implemented a more powerful battery system, but the camera looks like it can be used without issues for 90% of my use case scenarios, without having to fiddle with a bunch of extra rigs and accessories
It’s not mentioned really in this video maybe because it’s so obvious, but gaining the ability to use Canon’s stellar new RF lenses is also a huge reason to upgrade to the R5C. Of course there’s bonuses with using EF lenses too (the ND adapter mentioned.)
The 50/1.2L and 70-200/2.8L are just an absolute joy to use, it feels like every time I’ve used them I can’t help but make stunning images. Can’t wait to see the future of this channel using this wonderful new camera.
Canon really did hit a home run with the R5 C. Got mine at launch and have not regretted it a bit.
Canon R5c was the one that pushed me more towards Canon after shooting sony for so many years! It’s truly a beautiful camera
Thanks for a video. I'll wait a bit for C200 Mark II
Just picked one up. Moving from BMPCC6K and A7iii, the quality of life improvements are staggering so far. Don’t care about the image quality drop, I love this form factor!
I have two c200's in my day job. They're great cameras. The 8bit is surprisingly usable even in clog3. As used prices go down, like you said, this could see the c200 becoming even more popular as a budget option. I will say that the autofocus works great 80% of the time, if you have a trick that makes it more bullet proof I'd love to hear it.
Hello BCPaul,
I read on a few youtube comments WideDR works better with autofocus vs. Clog. You might already know this, but figured I would share in case you didn't... Hope this helps...
- Paul
It really makes me feel good, about how much work you put into these videos, and that you gave farewell to a lovely, with a excellent image quality camera, being honest the color tones is also what makes me like canon too, and again, i cannot explain, but if there was a word for people who like good picture quality like people who like hi-res sound quality are called audiophiles, just can't explain how much it feels good to watch this channels videos and the mere dedication, and I'd love if you share the details on what cameras you use in futher videos in description.
When I owned the c200 I fell in love with a particular lut that I found from Crimson Engine for clog2. Because of this I upgraded to the c70 for my A camera (my talking head most of the time) and after a few years of struggling with an R5 as my B camera, I bought a used C300 MK II to use a my new B camera a few months ago for only $2500!
Thanks I'm a fan of your show.
C200 was my first real camera. I’ve since switched to the C70 and R5C and couldn’t be happier
Hi, thank you for your amazing reviews. I own a C200. I bought the C200 in 2018 for its autofocus, raw capabilities, xlr ports and ND filters. No other camera where proposing this combinaison. Still not understanding why the codecs are not upgraded… Raw is super heaving but so good.
Would love to have a dynamic range comparaison with the Canon R5C.
Thank you.
Thanks again for what was a quintessentially perfect reflection on the c200. In terms of design the c200 hit a sweet spot for sure for so long and for your set up it’s true that you don’t really need the ergonomic design that is really about being an operator camera rather than a static talking head. Not sure why you would need still but I guess who doesn’t find it handy at some point. Something sad about a dslr design replacing a fully featured cine design but it’s a sign of the times. Personally I might recommend a Komodo for this kind of thing too not least because of the solid autofocus but also the app integration. Although if your set up never changes then there are so many candidates but for educational or instructional work being able to easily output a view of the camera data is incredibly useful. I appreciate that that isn’t what you are doing here but for lens tests having the menu feed out with the image through the sdi without covering the image is very nice and all that data and easy monitoring on a phone or iPad is fun. Thanks again for a simply perfect video and an appropriately loving and respectful send off to the c200.
Great video! I own a C200 and love the camera but there are four big problems.
1. The massiv RAW files - just 35min using a 256GB Cfast 2.0
2. Power hungry - I only get maby 80min or less with a A30 battery. You definitly need at least 4 batteries for the whole shooting day.
3. Low Light - With F2.8 your max Iso is 2800 before the noise is noticebal.
4. No false color and the monitor is just showing Rec709 or Clog1 picture.
I hope Canon add a software update just with the C300 Mk2 feature shooting with 2k 4444
The tech spec obsession (which is encouraged online) causes real confusion for people. The C200 sold very well and plenty of professionals earn their living from the 8-bit files (image quality happens in front of the camera). The ‘why oh why no 10 bit?’ is a Comment Section issue much more than a real-world concern.
Noticed you use sticker labels on your cfast cards. It may have never been an issue, but for me I have encountered the occasional melted sticker getting stuck inside the card port. So, personally, I don't recommend using sticker type labels, and instead write on the card with a sharpie (I know it's not as pretty, but melted glue sucks).
Hi Jake. I have a C200. Brought it for an amateur 'cinematic grandson' project. Auto focus was a strong sales point back when I started about four years ago, The codecs may be 'only' 8 bit but they are high quality implementations. Now grandson can run faster than I can hobble so I needed a wide range zoom lens - hence the XF400 first followed by the XF605. Still use the C200 on a tripod for 12 bit Raw Lite filming when I want to control depth of field - I self built a very powerful at the time workstation to handle it and I use a Solid Pod slim to manage media costs. I'm keeping the C200 to experiment with HDR - more useful to me I think than 8k - just got a small monitor from CVP to give the ooomph needed! I've been using Canon products since the A1 still camera came out ....... thanks for the valedictory video!
Do the C200 and XF605 colors match for 2 camera shoots in-camera without having to match in post?
@@digitalmagicAR I have the XF605 and it shoots with such a strong codec (10bit 422) you could colour match it to anything.
I shoot with a C200 and an R5C all the time for a 2 camera interview setup. Matching up the C200 RAW and the 10 bit on the R5C is a breeze.
I still shoot with this camera and I love it. It's just the right size and weight and I only wish the SD codes were better.
I love my C200. It is the perfect camera for me. I shot in raw 95% of the time and use the 8bit doing events.
R5c woohoo!!!!!! Luv it
Great to see you’re migrating to the R5C (since I just got one). If you find good battery-power options-please share that info! 🙏🏽 The power block option is super clunky.
Loving my R5 C as well! The size, image quality, as well as having the option between both the Photo and Video OS really give it a boost to users! Seriously hope that Canon and Netflix can resolve their issues with getting the R5 C approved since Netflix has approved cameras such as the Sony FX3 and Panasomic Lumix S1H.
That would make sense if it were approved. Are you working on a potential Netflix release?
The R5C is approved by Netflix
R5c under controled environment is a beast, but when I go out especially in the wild, I find its DR is bit behind c70 or fx3, which all pretty compact and kinda share same using area, it's a shame that I have to use v mount battery for some function to work. So I end up returned the r5c and kept fx3 plus c70 for extreme compact outdoor use/in studio use.. The C70 DGO sensor just gives me super clean black that no other camera can compeat.
informative 8mins thanks CVP
Makes sense getting the R5C, it looks great and for carry on work its better than the C70 from my point of view.
Great video :)
Still, now C200 is a very good choice for Indie filmmakers. Its quality is far superior to fx6 fx3 or a7s3 ( when shooting in raw )
Let’s go R5C! Canon please give us similar firmware to the the R6ii especially the quick switch from photo to video or at least let us shoot video in photo mode. 😢
I've done the same thing with my Canons - incrementally trading down to the smaller models over time.
I went from C300 II, to C200, to C70 and the only thing I've missed is the superior monitors (and to some extent build quality) of the larger cameras. It would be cool to see if Canon can make a high-end camera that's also very small.
If you had to choose between c300 Mk 2 and c200 which direction would you go?
I would trade ya my EOS-M for a C300 mkII. :-P
i've never used a c200 myself but did use the c100II as a daily driver for like 2 years and i have to agree with a couple other commenters here - the ergonomics of these bodies are just sooo good. specs are important and these bodies do look very weird at first , but for some jobs i'd still happily use a c100II or the c200 because they are such a joy to handle. i might have overseen it but did you mention the EVFs? they might not be the best EVFs out there but at least they are there. the only thing that really pissed me off about the c70 was the lack of an EVF, a huge oversight IMO.
something like the c70 but in a c100II/c200 body with a couple tweaks like an RF mount and an updated grip that is easier to rotate would be awesome.
How people get by without an EVF for stable shooting and focus I will never know.
I never used the C200 but know the C300MKII by heart and LOVE the Cinema EOS Line of products. Truth be told : in may, I bought a Pocket 6K Pro because it was what fitted my limited budget and had what I wanted in a camera (4:2:2 10 bit and anything 12 bit internally, internal ND, at least a Super35 sensor, internal XLR inputs and useful monitoring tools) even if I don't like how it feels cheaply built and how bad the rolling shutter is. Anyways, all that to say that if in may I had more money, I would have gotten a C70, and I'm actually right now thinking of selling the Pocket 6K Pro to get a C70 OR an R5C (I'm more leaning towars C70 because it is a more practical package while the R5C is basically, to me, the low cost alternative to a RED Monstro 🤣... But external NDs and the Tascam thingy for XLR inputs, and a bit of rigging and power solutions quickly add up).
Anyways, great video. I actually have students (I sometimes teach in the Cinema School I graduated from) really interested by the C200 so I'm forwarding the video ASAP !
ohy stop talking black magic that shit is dead
👍Nice Review. Any plans to do a deep dive on teleprompters? We all use them, but no one talks much about them.
Really thought you'd go with the c70! R5c battery swaps in the field would drive me crazy but I guess you guys aren't doing long form doc stuff or something.
I shoot all my videos on my C200, I love it!
I wouldn’t have thought you would choose the R5C. My guess was on the C70.
We are going to grab a C70 too for our bts stuff, may use it for ptcs from time to time ;) Jake
I use the c70 and the R5C and a Eos R + atomos Ninja V in my video company.
The R5c with the batterygrib (without it is not usable in batterylife regards)
+ a v-Mount for backup.
And the Canon Nd filter adaptor.
And the c70 has the speedbooster adaptor on it, so everything is EF Mount for both cameras.
It works like a breeze but the c70 is softer and you would not like to punch in to the image verymuch in post 😅
And then i realized that the R5C Can Record slow mo in Xf-avc but the c70 can’t… it annoys the hell out of me. 😂
I still love my c200!
Hello CVP team, love all your videos. Will u be ever able to create 1 comparison video between Polar Pro Basecamp matte box and Tilta Mirage matte box. Just of request. I know you guys created excellent video on all types of matte boxes already.
Im gonna have a review of those two coming out soon 👍🏽
@@LukeRenard Thank you Luke
Any tips for external batteries and cable for the C100? V-mount would be so nice, even though the BP batteries are excellent.
If the R5C had internal ND's, clog 2 and longer battery life, I don't think anything could touch it. Outside of larger crew productions needs (Arri/Red).
I too got the Canon R5C and it’s everything I could ask for in a cinema camera 🫠
Honest question: I own a Gemini and want the smaller body, I feel like Komodo is a downgrade but V-raptor S35 also seems a bit downgrade especially given the higher res on a smaller sensor - the Gemini sensor is as you know has a massive pixel pitch...as well as being very large in the spec... is it worth it go Komodo? Are there any regrets there?
I skipped over the C200 and went straight from the C300 MKII to the C500 MKII. For a bit, I was also using the original EOS R as a gimbal camera but the image quality drop compared to the cinema cameras made me give it up when I figured out how to get a C500MKII on a small gimbal. The R5C seems to get quite a bit of flack due to battery life, AF, etc. from hybrid shooters, but I have no qualms about mixing it in with my C500 MKII's. It suffers a hit in DR available, but it actually works better as an S35 camera due to the over sampling of the sensor for 4K. It is the first Canon DSLR that truly makes sense as a production camera.
R5c is not DSLR, unfortunatly.
@@SuperSuperka Actually, I would say "fortunately" rather than "unfortunately". The lack of the mirror allows the use of the EF to RF adapter so that I have a method of adding a variable ND to the camera.
@@CaseyPreston lmao
@@CaseyPreston Variable NDs are polarizers, I skip using them. Also. I so much love OVF for its zero lag, natural colors and ability to compose with camera switched off, that for me - its "unfortunately", I mean I miss this really. Ofcourse I understand mirrorless advantages, and appriciate.
@@SuperSuperka Yeah, I really liked my OVF for photos, but I almost never take photos anymore. Also, I wish somebody other than Kipper Tie made a decent ND wheel in an RF adapter. Nothing like spending 1/2 of what the camera cost just to fix the missing ND issue.
Would you trust buying a 700 hour c200 that was really well taken care for and never abused ?
Great video! Also deciding on C70 or R5C.
What is the brand of the teleprompter mounted on the C200? Thank you for your time!
It is the PRONSTOOR Teleprompter Kit. Thanks for watching, Jake
I’m deciding between the r6 m2 and the c200 and can’t decide. Any one have any recommendations? Great video btw!!
Do you recomend getting a used sub 3k usd C200 to a small production company?
A nice boost for the R5C 🙌🏼❤️
I'm debating between an R5C and R3. R5C main con being battery life and I don't know if I need 8K whereas with the R3 I get enough pixels with 6K and I get impressive battery life. But it's also a non-cinema camera so the menus are different and not as great as the C300's and C70's of the world. Tough choice.
R5C plus the power base link is a total win. Absolutely love the combo
As always great video. How do get such a great image shooting w/ the C200’s base ISO 800, without getting so much noise?
The answer there is light! If there isn't enough then there's not other option than to introduce light.
@@getfmlr No. That’s not the answer because I’ve shot in sunlight even over exposing ISO 800 one stop and still get ugly noise. And if I am forced to ETTR expose to the right (over expose) then why shoot at that base ISO if I am losing dynamic range doing that. Anyways, I figured out recently that IS0 640 works good without losing too much of the camera’s dynamic range and very little noise.
How about the audio on R5C? And handling in running around?
I am wondering how big the filesize of the 2k raw is? Is it using the Full Sensor width?
It's criminal that Canon nerfed it so hard with no 10bit 422, why oh why they basically doomed this fine rig.
Hi guys, have you heard any news about if Canon are looking to release a c200 mk II?
Nope :( Jake
Can anyone answer how the extended nd (8/10stops) looks? Is it useful or is there bad colour shift etc. Thoughts.
It’s one of the main reasons I would choose this camera over the c100mii
Definitely usable! Jake
My comment was featured in a CVP video, my life has peaked.
there a huge amount of banding in the intro opening. strange.
It's ironic to see this video. I'm in the process of debating on selling it. The C200 could have still been amazing if it had 10bit. I'm placing mine up for sell now. I'm switching to Sony. Canon still doesn't have audio in slow motion 120fps. Sony codecs run smoother. I've even shot with the Pocket 4k and 6k. The raw files on those cameras run smother than the 1080 files on my C200. I never thought I'd leave Canon. After 5 years, I'm a believer that Sony won't handicap their camera's. They've only become better. Sony is the New Canon.
If Resolve is fixing your crashes, why not use it for everything? ;)
We've tried a few times to migrate to Resolve, but both myself and Sam edit so much faster in Premiere as it's what we've used for years and with the fast turnaround nature of what we do, speed is crucial! Jake
Every expensive camera should shoot apart from their own codec/raw also prores 4444 XQ in camera.
loool
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If you sold your c200 you might have done it right at a great time. They just had a price drop.
If R5c had IBIS ,better battery life ( Canon why?!!!) I switch from Sony to Canon immediately!!!
All these while I thought you were using Red cameras.
We use a RED KOMODO in the studio as our main broll camera, that might be what you are thinking of 😀 Jake
La c200 est une formidable caméra mais canon se moque nous.
Quand elle est sorti en 2017, de nombreux professionnels n'ont pas compris le choix du Raw et du 8 bits. Si Canon nous donne une mise de la Canon C200, c'est sur il vendrait moins de C70....
Je préfère la politique marketing de Sony qui est plus logique et respect les consommateurs.
Canon ne retient vraiment rien du passé. C'est pour que la fx6 se vend plus.