Hey Vital, genuine question about the Suzuki - you said that the heaviest rider didnt have a problem with the spring rate, how heavy was he, how heavy were the other test riders? I am about 180-185ish. I like the new look of the Suzy and was thinking of buying one - if it's more powerful than my 2014 RMZ I'm happy, but if the suspension is worse that might change my mind. Please let me know!
@Michael Lindsay Most shootouts mention the Honda CRF's lack of roll-on / bottom end torque. Not being the strongest engine, how would the new Suzuki RMZ250 compare to it? (more initial hit but less overal torque thru the rpms?) Thanks.
I've been waiting for that one for quite awhile ! Thanks guys ! Pretty disappointed about the Suzuki results, cause I think she looks real good aha. Good thing they dropped the air fork tho.
So I get that weight is a big factor on that rmz if you dont want to respring the suspension but how about height factor. who was your tallest rider and how did height play in at all? I'm 6'2" and 200lbs and want to go Husky because it felt the best sitting on it but I haven't gotten to ride any other bike than the new ktms. I know I want a 250f tho
I know this is a late comment given the video came out a month or two ago, but I’m about 5’10” and weigh 135-ish, would I be too light for a 250 in suspension terms? Or would I just have to do a lot of adjusting?
The font end on the ktm 250 is not the best got my suspension done and re-valved and it’s still noticeable and I had a few 18s and never had a problem with the front end
You guys must really know your stuff if you knit picky about stuff like this an average rider like myself who can’t bring out the full power of the bike, races or hits tracks all the time would never be able to tell, thank you all for putting up such detailed info and for all the work y’all put into the video shooting people in the right direction with their hard earned money! Y’all stay blessed! 🤟 happy holidays ride safe but send that shit ! 🤓
Stanza 710 I bought the 2019 Honda and love it. I don’t ride it anywhere near it’s potential so don’t feel the issue they have with power but do feel the handling so overall for me that’s a winner.
RudeDog #999 nice man congrats! I really would love to try those new Honda’s or the Yamaha, the newest bike I’ve ever rode was a 2004 🤣 I’m pretty sure any of these would be have huge improvements lol
The TC on the Husky or KTM isn't really liked by our test riders on the 250s unless the track is extremely muddy or straight concrete. So it doesn't really add to either of their scores.
Awesome video!! I used to ride a 2 stroke yz250 12 years ago and am getting back into it but now I will mostly trail ride with my son and maybe some over 40 racing. I am 190 lbs, 5'7 and rented a 2015 crf230 and enjoyed it especially because of the 34.8 seat height but was looking for more power. any suggestions? Looking for Electric strart, low seat height and power! There are some good deals on the 2018 kx250f but it has no kick start, if you put anyone of these 250 four strokes against a 15 yr older 250 2 stroke is the power output similar or do you think like the 2018 kx250 would blow it's doors off? Would a crf250R be so much different than the crf230, sorry for the stupid ?'s but I am a little lost now in the new 4 stroke world
Hey Michael Lindsay. I was curious if you sell the bikes after you are done with the shootouts? Don't know if you will even see my comment but worth a shot.
Cody Wells why would they set the spring rate for each riders weight? They’re testing stock bikes. They’re not gonna modify the bikes n change the springs on the shocks and forks for each n every rider. That doesn’t even make sense. They’re testing the bikes stock from the factory and adjusting what they can (sag, bars, controls, clickers) for each rider. You really want them swapping springs? Lol
@Michael Lindsay how was the 2019 kx 450 turning?I always have had Kawasakis but the front end is crazy and is very hard to turn. I have just tried the new honda crf 250 2019 and it turns great. Do you know if the KX 250 2020 will be as good in turns as you have tried the KX 450 2019 and know what to expect to be changed on the KX 250 for next year. I think I will buy the 19 honda and then buy the 21 KX when the re-do some of the things that did not work perfectly on the new changes on the 2020 250 KX
Statistically speaking i wish you could have more riders come and test it. Have an open practice day where people can come and ride and give some feedback. I fell like 7 or 8 riders dont show the whole picture.
Idk why you talk about the rpm the engine makes power at because it can all be changed with timing cams exhausts fuel mapping. Its not a two stroke. Anyone can put a couple cams and a tune in it and make it run however you want
You guys are bullying the kx for a cramped rider compartment. All that stuff is adjustable on the kx. I will agree the stock setup with the bars in the back position and the footpegs in the upper it is not ideal for larger riders but is setup for the ideal 250 riders that were mentioned about when you threw the suzuki under the bus for setting it up for a larger rider. Still love your stuff Michael!
I have a 2016 kx250f and i feel the same. After a while i get used to it a lot but still i feel more comfortable on other bikes Especially Yamaha. 2019 kx450 thought felt perfect. I guess 2020 kx250f will have the same amazing chassis/ ergos
@Michael Lindsay Ok you are correct. I forgot I had to change the bars. I know you guys have to test them stock. When moving the stock bend (971 Renthal) bars to the front it also raises them a lot. I had to put a lower bend bar on it. With the bars forward, the pegs lower and forward and the flat seat, the bike can be ridden aggressive and is the most comfortable setup I have ever had and I have owned a lot of bikes. Im just offering this info to anyone who wants to read it. Good day Michael
@@maxencem3873 Moi je suis en 450 mais j ai essaye des 250 et la KTM est pour moi la meilleure(La husky j ai pas essaye)la yam est trop large et les autres manque de puissance...
I feel like the Vital Mx test riders are asking more from the 250 then it can deliver. They want super good bottom, but wants it to scream on top and make power. You cant have it all. Yz has good bottom but an ok top. The KTM is the middle man between the yz and the honda. Ok bottom but good on top. The honda has less bottom but if its over ~6000 rpm its easily a monster.
Despite the air forks I really wanted to switch to husky in 2019. 250f and 125. The last generation was the best looking bikes ever made imo. 2019 could possibly be the ugliest bikes ever made. I hope at some point in the future they return to there there original iconic design characteristics. I know it really shouldn’t matter, but I’m pretty disappointed in that department.
Let me guess, the KTM won. Hope I’m wrong; I’m at the start of the video. EDIT: I was pleasant surprised to be wrong. I disagree that the Husky should be in second, I think the Kawasaki should be in second and put the husky in Honda’s spot and move the Honda to Kawasaki’s spot.
this should not be out yet. As much as I respect this channel and his usual evaluations of the bikes, theres no way you could have done a good comprehensive review yet, the suzuki just got in the states like a week or two ago? Look at other shootouts that take place over several weeks to months. With that being said, I do agree with your order of bikes, with the exception of maybe the ktm and husky.
KTM Husky and Yamaha were available for testing for several months now. The result of the shootout will not change even if they were doing it after a month. At least not for the the top three bikes. The only bike that could need a little more time is the Honda. Still is not a completely new model.
All our Shootouts are conducted in the same manner with three to four days of testing. As with most buddies jumping on each other’s bikes, it’s doesn’t take many laps to learn the characteristics of each motorcycle. Each day, the test riders ride 3-4 hours, so by the end of it they’ve done 10-12 total hours of riding testing, adjusting and playing with what’s available stock on each bike. Even by the last day, they have their rough orders laid out and just fine tune one or two of the bikes they’re deciding between somewhere in the order. Personally, our main test rider Michael Lindsay flew to Japan a few months ago to ride the Suzuki.
You think they didn’t do enough testing to make a comparison review... but you agree with their order? So presumably you HAVE ridden all of the bikes for enough time to have a balanced opinion?! 👀
@@Mockle07 the order hasn't changed for quite awhile in my opinion. I've thought the Yamaha, ktm, and husky were at the top of the class for awhile. The kawi is good but not great at anything, and the honda wasn't changed enough from last year to make it better then the front 3. And the rmz250, much like the rmz450 from last year, didn't receive enough changes to top the other bikes. My point was not that the running order was flawed, my point is how can u know all the bikes long term weaknesses and strengths from only testing for just a few days or weeks. Look at motocross actions 450 test that took several months. They brought things to light that could only have been determined t hrougj several months of testing, and considering that each one of us that are going to buy these bikes are usually in it for the long term, it's best to take into account longer evaluations when testing. Just my opinion. I have nothing against vital mx what so ever, and in fact I do like there reviews.
Maxim Platica How can you say it needs to be on the podium if you have never ridden it? Their new bike isn’t even for sale yet, so how can you call it “fantastic?”
If you have the money for a 2019 bike you probably have all the gear and no idea especially if your watching this to decide what one to buy.. jesus, and if you do have the money and actually ride please for the love of God just pick the kawi or honda
@Michael Lindsay Yessir, and thanks for the production. Just listening to you on pulp and vital among other outlets, one can tell you have an insane passion for the sport. You also have a great knack at describing bikes and feel in a way we can relate to. Keep it up!
vitals shootout presentation blow all the other magazines away, just a more appealing approach imo
Ayrton Shelly and they aren’t biased at all. Unlike mxa and twmx
The other ones shill out to KTM too much
The in-depth article is live: www.vitalmx.com/features/2019-Vital-MX-250-Shootout,6335
when will it finally be up?
Vital MX buying a new '19 YZF250 this wknd here in Michigan. Always loved Yamaha ..we have 2 YFZ450X quads too. #redbud
@@spalazzi94 It's live!
Thank you vital mx you guys do the best reviews and have the best info time and time again.
Well done! thanks!
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I love vital mx and Michael Lindsay.
Great work guys
Thanks for the in depth informations
At the end of the day it will come down to preference.Pick the bike best suited for your riding style,Thanks Vital Mx for the video and reviews.
I prefer the Rmz it suits my riding style,I will wait to see the 2020 Rmz250, if nothing changed i will get 2019,
Hey Vital, genuine question about the Suzuki - you said that the heaviest rider didnt have a problem with the spring rate, how heavy was he, how heavy were the other test riders? I am about 180-185ish. I like the new look of the Suzy and was thinking of buying one - if it's more powerful than my 2014 RMZ I'm happy, but if the suspension is worse that might change my mind. Please let me know!
@Michael Lindsay Great, thank you for the quick response!
Derek Hallman love the videos!
Derek Hallman ur good. Suzuki is sweet!
Go for the Suzuki in 450. My friend has that bike and loves it.
@Michael Lindsay Most shootouts mention the Honda CRF's lack of roll-on / bottom end torque. Not being the strongest engine, how would the new Suzuki RMZ250 compare to it? (more initial hit but less overal torque thru the rpms?) Thanks.
I have the Yamaha 250f 2019 and I absolutely love it! Definitely best bike in my opinion.
Yes finally I’ve been waiting for this vid for a long time
Any chance you guys make one of these for 2019 250 2 strokes? Or even just tell me your opinion on which is best and why
I've been waiting for that one for quite awhile ! Thanks guys !
Pretty disappointed about the Suzuki results, cause I think she looks real good aha. Good thing they dropped the air fork tho.
Go Suzuki every yr!
So glad to see Yamaha back on top. Glad I made the right choice and got my 2019 YZF 250.
Shawn Doucette Yes I did too 2020 YZ250F
Boring.
So I get that weight is a big factor on that rmz if you dont want to respring the suspension but how about height factor. who was your tallest rider and how did height play in at all? I'm 6'2" and 200lbs and want to go Husky because it felt the best sitting on it but I haven't gotten to ride any other bike than the new ktms. I know I want a 250f tho
I’m like 5’2 can I fit a 250 ? My crf150rb is sooo slow now I want more power
If I were to get the honda coming off an 01 cr250 2 stroke, I wonder if the lack of low end & roll on power would feel similar to the 2 stroke.
I know this is a late comment given the video came out a month or two ago, but I’m about 5’10” and weigh 135-ish, would I be too light for a 250 in suspension terms? Or would I just have to do a lot of adjusting?
First on the launch of 19's well done vital!
The font end on the ktm 250 is not the best got my suspension done and re-valved and it’s still noticeable and I had a few 18s and never had a problem with the front end
You guys must really know your stuff if you knit picky about stuff like this an average rider like myself who can’t bring out the full power of the bike, races or hits tracks all the time would never be able to tell, thank you all for putting up such detailed info and for all the work y’all put into the video shooting people in the right direction with their hard earned money! Y’all stay blessed! 🤟 happy holidays ride safe but send that shit ! 🤓
Stanza 710 I bought the 2019 Honda and love it. I don’t ride it anywhere near it’s potential so don’t feel the issue they have with power but do feel the handling so overall for me that’s a winner.
RudeDog #999 nice man congrats! I really would love to try those new Honda’s or the Yamaha, the newest bike I’ve ever rode was a 2004 🤣 I’m pretty sure any of these would be have huge improvements lol
why never do supermini??? 85cc + 150cc 4s
in the end Air fork can not touch KYB Aos ,
Very good shootout, seems like the last past years those shootouts were distorded, but this one look legit af
Great vídeo!
You didn't speak about the traction control system, do you had it in consideration?
The TC on the Husky or KTM isn't really liked by our test riders on the 250s unless the track is extremely muddy or straight concrete. So it doesn't really add to either of their scores.
What would be a good starting/first dirt bike for me I’m 6”2 275
I would suggest the Suzuki, it has a very powerful engine and stiff suspension that is great for a bigger rider.
Suzuki meant for heavier people
Awesome video!! I used to ride a 2 stroke yz250 12 years ago and am getting back into it but now I will mostly trail ride with my son and maybe some over 40 racing. I am 190 lbs, 5'7 and rented a 2015 crf230 and enjoyed it especially because of the 34.8 seat height but was looking for more power. any suggestions? Looking for Electric strart, low seat height and power! There are some good deals on the 2018 kx250f but it has no kick start, if you put anyone of these 250 four strokes against a 15 yr older 250 2 stroke is the power output similar or do you think like the 2018 kx250 would blow it's doors off? Would a crf250R be so much different than the crf230, sorry for the stupid ?'s but I am a little lost now in the new 4 stroke world
230f is more of a sluggish power compared to these sort of race 250s.. jake
Shelby paget one of the test riders has a vlog out on what it’s like being a test rider!
Hey Michael Lindsay. I was curious if you sell the bikes after you are done with the shootouts? Don't know if you will even see my comment but worth a shot.
Hold wait a min....You don't set the spring rate on these bikes? How can you fully rate it then?
Cody Wells why would they set the spring rate for each riders weight? They’re testing stock bikes. They’re not gonna modify the bikes n change the springs on the shocks and forks for each n every rider. That doesn’t even make sense. They’re testing the bikes stock from the factory and adjusting what they can (sag, bars, controls, clickers) for each rider. You really want them swapping springs? Lol
Man i want a yz 250f but used you cant get them in my area😫
Which is the smallest in the class
Need to see HP and torque charts on all bikes .. then we’ll see what bike is a mini 450 #🤯🥴
To be honest I like the Suzuki because of the stiffer ride because I like feeling the track and I’m just used to riding rigid bikes
Doesn’t the 19 kx250f have electric start now?
Kawasaki and Suzuki don't have electric start 👍
No two strokes??
I am excited for when Kawasaki redesigns the kx250f
@Michael Lindsay how was the 2019 kx 450 turning?I always have had Kawasakis but the front end is crazy and is very hard to turn. I have just tried the new honda crf 250 2019 and it turns great. Do you know if the KX 250 2020 will be as good in turns as you have tried the KX 450 2019 and know what to expect to be changed on the KX 250 for next year. I think I will buy the 19 honda and then buy the 21 KX when the re-do some of the things that did not work perfectly on the new changes on the 2020 250 KX
Yamaha Baby!!
Damn suzuki must be all just looks then. Definately one of the nicest looking bikes !!!
Can you let me know which camera you have on your helmet please?
Mr. MidLifeCrisis it’s not a camera. It’s called a litpro it for record laptimes and you can view different lines you took on the track
@@Mxgoatman Correct!
@@Mxgoatman thanks!
Yamaha N.1💙
Whats better Honda or Yamaha or Kawasaki???
I want to join the team pse what should I do
trying to decide between a yz250f and crf250r..
tough decision
Paul Oh I mean, I prefer honda over yam but they’re both great bikes. There’s no wrong answer, I’d say pick your favourite colour
I would rather a 2 stroke 250
Icewallowcome Reet of course you would
TEAM RED
Paul Oh depends, do you like short shifting or revving it out? If you short shift Yamaha, otherwise I’d say honda
all bikes are good
it always depend on how you ride
but i love my green lantern
goooo kawasaki
That shoei/fxr setup was sick
What track is the sand one in this vid?
It's in Nuevo, not a real track per se...just a hillside track we ride.
What would be the best bike for a 6 foot tall rider with long legs ?
Any one of then except kawi
Thanks
faso qualquer coisa para ter uma desas moto
TM moto???
When you doing the 250 off-road shoutout. Crf250rx yz250fx 250xcf ?
450 offroad Shootout will happen in January, not sure we will do a 250 this year.
Statistically speaking i wish you could have more riders come and test it. Have an open practice day where people can come and ride and give some feedback. I fell like 7 or 8 riders dont show the whole picture.
Why aren’t TM’s in any shootout?
They refuse to participate.
Vital MX weird tactic.
Crf is simple tight track bigger flywheel.
Ste de la TM ?????
Idk why you talk about the rpm the engine makes power at because it can all be changed with timing cams exhausts fuel mapping. Its not a two stroke. Anyone can put a couple cams and a tune in it and make it run however you want
Because it's a Shootout of the bikes in "stock" form...
It’s a good thing I bought a yz250f
honda all the way 💪🏼
Yes yamaha for the win 💙
Are all these bikes 4 strokes?
Yes.
You guys are bullying the kx for a cramped rider compartment. All that stuff is adjustable on the kx. I will agree the stock setup with the bars in the back position and the footpegs in the upper it is not ideal for larger riders but is setup for the ideal 250 riders that were mentioned about when you threw the suzuki under the bus for setting it up for a larger rider.
Still love your stuff Michael!
I have a 2016 kx250f and i feel the same.
After a while i get used to it a lot but still i feel more comfortable on other bikes Especially Yamaha.
2019 kx450 thought felt perfect.
I guess 2020 kx250f will have the same amazing chassis/ ergos
@Michael Lindsay Ok you are correct. I forgot I had to change the bars. I know you guys have to test them stock. When moving the stock bend (971 Renthal) bars to the front it also raises them a lot. I had to put a lower bend bar on it. With the bars forward, the pegs lower and forward and the flat seat, the bike can be ridden aggressive and is the most comfortable setup I have ever had and I have owned a lot of bikes. Im just offering this info to anyone who wants to read it. Good day Michael
Yamaha engine in a Honda chassis and looks like Suzuki. That would be the perfect bike.
Why isn’t Tm in these shootouts and Alta
Oh
Michael Lindsay are they scared they will come last 😂
I have to refinance my house so now i have to wait to buy my husqvarna 250
No TM?
Michael Lindsay that's a shame really
Ahh the poor old (new) RMZ
Kawi most likely gonna make a come back next year in the 250 class😈
Lmfao naw bruh.
Dommage qu il n y ait pas un sous titrage en français
Regarde les video de MX reflexion...
Oe j ai vu mais ils les tests une par une alors il n y a pas de comparaison et donc pas de réponse à savoir laquelle est là meilleur.
@@maxencem3873 Moi je suis en 450 mais j ai essaye des 250 et la KTM est pour moi la meilleure(La husky j ai pas essaye)la yam est trop large et les autres manque de puissance...
@rob kerk merci pour tes infos , l année pro je me prend une 250 ( mais ac démarreur électrique ) plein le cul de prendre dés retour de kick lol
Green and black all the way.
If not pro, get yellow
Every time I hear a Yamaha going up the face of a jump , it sounds like it's going to blow up lol
Daniel Sedletzeck definitely the worst sounding bike
tm ???? why???
As we've already answered over five times in the comments, TM refuses to take part in Shootouts.
suzuki.. perfect for supermoto
I must be a fat POS because the yz250f I test rode felt so slow lol
@La Flama Blanca yeah that sounds about right
La Flama Blanca agreed
Y'all both fat
or maybe you just don't know how to ride and YOUR the slow one lmfao
If Yamaha is slow for you then all the 250s are slow...
Or you are 2 fast...😉
Yamaha takes a W. I'm happy
Yeet! Yams for the win
Honda finally caught on the black rims are cooler
Aidan m just need to catch on to the black triple clamps memo now
I bleed oil 2 stroke oil
Out of all of these bikes, it comes down to 99% rider, 1% bike anyway ..
PS the RMZ looks killer
Honda 250r is gooood
I feel like the Vital Mx test riders are asking more from the 250 then it can deliver. They want super good bottom, but wants it to scream on top and make power. You cant have it all. Yz has good bottom but an ok top. The KTM is the middle man between the yz and the honda. Ok bottom but good on top. The honda has less bottom but if its over ~6000 rpm its easily a monster.
I’m just glad that the gayTM didn’t win.
Chris John Michael damn straight
I bleed red. Honda 4Me.
lmtada Well so does everyone else in the world.
8pjbh1996 definetly not. My Brother in law, is a Swede. He bleeds yellow/blue.
Ever rode a Kwakka?Ive had Hondas all my life and loved them but in 2015 i bought a KX450F and man its a awesome bike
lmtada yellow and blue is a trash bike, green and black is the way to go
kawi and ktm are the top brand
Atleast they didn’t put a European bike 1st 🙏🏻
Despite the air forks I really wanted to switch to husky in 2019. 250f and 125. The last generation was the best looking bikes ever made imo. 2019 could possibly be the ugliest bikes ever made. I hope at some point in the future they return to there there original iconic design characteristics. I know it really shouldn’t matter, but I’m pretty disappointed in that department.
Helllooooo
Can micheal lindsey make it through a whole motocross shootout with out saying "rigid" or "rigidity" 😂
Ralph Fader lmao!
Michael Lindsay I love how you’re out here roasting the haters
Michael Lindsay i know bro im just pullin your leg big dawg 😂🤙
Michael Lindsay while you’re answering questions how do I get your job 🤔🤔😂
Michael Lindsay welp guess I gotta keep bugging you. Lmao 😂thanks for the advice man. Love the content
lol... i love my 2018 crf250R 😂
Let me guess, the KTM won. Hope I’m wrong; I’m at the start of the video. EDIT: I was pleasant surprised to be wrong. I disagree that the Husky should be in second, I think the Kawasaki should be in second and put the husky in Honda’s spot and move the Honda to Kawasaki’s spot.
this should not be out yet. As much as I respect this channel and his usual evaluations of the bikes, theres no way you could have done a good comprehensive review yet, the suzuki just got in the states like a week or two ago? Look at other shootouts that take place over several weeks to months. With that being said, I do agree with your order of bikes, with the exception of maybe the ktm and husky.
KTM Husky and Yamaha were available for testing for several months now. The result of the shootout will not change even if they were doing it after a month.
At least not for the the top three bikes.
The only bike that could need a little more time is the Honda.
Still is not a completely new model.
All our Shootouts are conducted in the same manner with three to four days of testing. As with most buddies jumping on each other’s bikes, it’s doesn’t take many laps to learn the characteristics of each motorcycle. Each day, the test riders ride 3-4 hours, so by the end of it they’ve done 10-12 total hours of riding testing, adjusting and playing with what’s available stock on each bike. Even by the last day, they have their rough orders laid out and just fine tune one or two of the bikes they’re deciding between somewhere in the order. Personally, our main test rider Michael Lindsay flew to Japan a few months ago to ride the Suzuki.
Vital MX tell his ass
You think they didn’t do enough testing to make a comparison review... but you agree with their order? So presumably you HAVE ridden all of the bikes for enough time to have a balanced opinion?! 👀
@@Mockle07 the order hasn't changed for quite awhile in my opinion. I've thought the Yamaha, ktm, and husky were at the top of the class for awhile. The kawi is good but not great at anything, and the honda wasn't changed enough from last year to make it better then the front 3. And the rmz250, much like the rmz450 from last year, didn't receive enough changes to top the other bikes. My point was not that the running order was flawed, my point is how can u know all the bikes long term weaknesses and strengths from only testing for just a few days or weeks. Look at motocross actions 450 test that took several months. They brought things to light that could only have been determined t hrougj several months of testing, and considering that each one of us that are going to buy these bikes are usually in it for the long term, it's best to take into account longer evaluations when testing. Just my opinion. I have nothing against vital mx what so ever, and in fact I do like there reviews.
Again suzuki rmz 6 position¿realy?.i think need more up in podium...its a fantastic bike...and.old bike to
Maxim Platica How can you say it needs to be on the podium if you have never ridden it? Their new bike isn’t even for sale yet, so how can you call it “fantastic?”
2016: Honda’s are slow, have too much torque, and not enough top end
2019: Honda’s have good power but not enough torque
BRUH
I’m cheesin yamaha got first 250 and 450 ima go shove it in my friends faces
Im so pleased the yamaha came 1st
Spoiler dude
@@Dylans503han solo dies
Honda All Day...
Honda all the way!
If you have the money for a 2019 bike you probably have all the gear and no idea especially if your watching this to decide what one to buy.. jesus, and if you do have the money and actually ride please for the love of God just pick the kawi or honda
Honestly just buy a bike and fucking ride it lol all these bullshit stats just come down to personal preference in the end
Crf 250 the best
yz250 sx250 and tc250 all way better than these turds
Like you probably live in a creek
@Michael Lindsay haha mostly listening to cool podcasts and videos. You're welcome!
@Michael Lindsay that creek comment was replying to the original poster too. It wasnt addressed to you.
Da Rippa There is always one of these guys here... Yes two strokes are great fun, but you can’t race them in 250f classes.
@Michael Lindsay Yessir, and thanks for the production. Just listening to you on pulp and vital among other outlets, one can tell you have an insane passion for the sport. You also have a great knack at describing bikes and feel in a way we can relate to. Keep it up!