Kobe Bryant Accident: Why it happened.

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  • čas přidán 12. 10. 2020
  • This video gives a possible reason as to why the Kobe accident happened. The information comes from the perspective of pilots who have thousands of hours of experience in fixed wing and helicopter. They see things very different than the NTSB or the FAA.

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  • @dangryder3763
    @dangryder3763 Před 3 lety +202

    The main point of this video is that these horrific crashes cannot be prevented if we do not figure out what happened on the previous one. The NTSB spends millions of tax payer dollars to send very highly paid government employees to each and every fatal crash. It's a road trip bonanza for them, they get to be the first ones to see the wreckage, the debris, the blood and the mangled bodies. The NTSB sends people that can not possibly figure out what happened within a few days of first visit, but they love to go on national TV to be the VIP's in the spot light. Jennifer Homendy is classic example in this case. Her highest credential is an endorsement to ride a MoPed, but she speculates on numerous responses to questions on camera. Ms. Homendy responds to a question from a reporter: "How much did the helicopter clear missing the mountain by" She turns around for the answer and they take a good guess that it "cleared missing the mountain" by 20 to 30 feet The helicopter was an asteroid hurling at the earth at this point, similar to dropping a bowling ball out of a helicopter. Its gonna hit the earth somewhere, because the trajectory is DOWN. Her answer to this questions illustrates how little she understands about what happened. She also speculated when she said "the pilot advised they were climbing to avoid a cloud layer." It is true that the pilot reported an intent to climb to 4,000 MSL, but no reason was given. The only reason to climb at this point would have been to clear terrain that was rapidly rising, not to avoid a cloud layer! Ms. Homendy added text to the factual report that is erroneous and she mis led the media in her statement which is a direct quote. TAWS is completely useless in this scenario and most pilots operating this low would have selected it to the OFF position long prior - but Ms. Homendy does not understand this because her MoPed doesn't have one either. Sincerely, Dan Gryder

    • @heidimcbride4666
      @heidimcbride4666 Před 3 lety +11

      You are absolute correct Dan.

    • @jiaconis
      @jiaconis Před 3 lety +9

      BOOM!! You Sir have just won the reply of the day!!!!

    • @ehjeieusywyay5165
      @ehjeieusywyay5165 Před 3 lety

      Everybody knows what happened because it was scripted long in advance through a code called gematria. You really think these celebrities just keep randomly dying? You learn what gematria is and you realize this is all bullshit

    • @TheEndofThis
      @TheEndofThis Před 3 lety +11

      @@ehjeieusywyay5165 maybe benfords law and frequency illusion. If anything, numerology proves that anyone can in fact believe in anything, what makes it true is your cognitive bias. I promise you there's not a conspiracy and timeline of famous people dying

    • @smokeyveras7235
      @smokeyveras7235 Před 3 lety +7

      This was just a stupid comment to make. First of all, you criticize the NTSB for giving interviews on tv and also criticize them for taking federal funding, lol. Could you imagine an accident where the NTSB didn’t give interviews? Jesus, you people would be up in flames “look at how much money they take and can’t even give a interview. Unreal.” Your comment is based off you knowing nothing about the NTSB, how they operate or how they spend the money. She’s just someone who gives speeches, she analyzes what the investigators tell her, and then bam. One thing to note is that the ntsb does not give their opinion, in any case. That’s how aircraft investigations have always been. Now factor this into the equation, a NBA star and his daughter die in a helicopter crash, you’re on scene within hours. You’re just as confused as everyone else. Within two hours you’re giving a speech. You cannot break the NTSBs policy or else you’re gone. Now try answering all of the reporters random ass questions, once you come to conclusions with this, you’ll realize just how easy it can be to “mislead” people. Which actually happens during every investigation where someone gives a speech and answers reporters questions on live TV. None of that matters because its a mistake and if it’s a big enough one it will be corrected later on. Regardless, it doesn’t matter because the only thing that does matter is what the final reports say. Plain and simple.
      Out of all the people at fault in this case you choose to blame the NTSB, honestly that’s really fucking stupid. With no cockpit voice recorder it can be difficult to determine an accident. This isn’t the NTSBs fault.
      It’s the companies fault, and the accident is at the fault of the pilot who chose to fly SVFR in poor visibility and in hilly terrain. Doesn’t sound so smart does it? Heres the possible answers
      1. Retreating Blade Stall: Not likely the culprit here. If anything the abrupt cyclic input would result in a transient droop in rotor RPM, which could be exacerbated in high/hot/heavy conditions (not the case here). Rotor blade stall is typically something you'd expect to encounter in a high speed, power-on dive, not while performing an aggressive climb to clear a cloud layer. Thinking about this phenomena as you would a typical fixed wing airplane stalling isn't going to do you any good. Simply increasing AOA in helicopter (read: nose attitude in relation to the horizon), no matter how abruptly, is not going to result in a stalled condition. If the climb is continued and conditions are right (i.e. high/hot/heavy situation) power required will eventually exceed power available and the aircraft will begin to settle.
      2. Rotor disc contacting the tail boom: The fully articulated rotor head found on the S-76 is more efficient and survivable than something you might find on aircraft with an underslung rotor system (see AH-1W, UH-1N, Bell 206, etc). In negative G situations, the possibility exists for underslung systems to "flap" resulting in something called mast-bumping or even the main rotor blades impacting the airframe. With the fully-articulated head, this is not something that would really ever be a concern. If you wanted to, you could unload the head significantly with little to no impact on aircraft performance.
      Many things could have happened here, but looking at the weather, the flight path, and hearing the ATC communications in the minutes before the crash, it's easy to look towards spatial disorientation as a likely culprit. Reference the crash of the Army H-60 carrying the MARSOC team off Panama City a couple years back, and you'll see similar things (even with 2 pilots). A strong cyclic pop into the clouds resulting in what would have to be an immediate transition to an aggressive IFR scan is a recipe for disaster, especially in a single piloted aircraft. Having felt the effects of severe spatial-d many times in many types of helicopters, I can attest to the fact that it is not something easily recognizable. Couple that with close proximity to mountainous terrain and the results can, and have been, disastrous.
      All of this NTSB shaming needs to stop, focusing on someone who isn’t responsible for this crash whatsoever is stupid, and that’s why the families are suing the pilots family and the company, and NOT the ntsb. Because the company could have made this investigation solvable, but didn’t. They could have hired a competent pilot, but didn’t. They could have had rules that would prevent stupid mistakes just like this, but didn’t. And the pilots family is being sued because he is responsible. His brother responded to comments by saying the passengers were negligent, and not his brother. Let’s see how that argument works in court.
      I’m sure you have your own opinion on suing the family too, just like your opinion about the NTSB. A negligent doctor, motorist, ship captain, or pilot kills my kid...I sue.
      Great responsibility comes with great accountability...and liability. While we’re viewing this tragedy from the perspective of pilots, there are loved ones who aren’t.
      It may be that the helicopter operator’s insurance underwriter is about to fund a girl’s basketball league for several years, and the futures of the other victim’s survivors. Maybe not.
      Manage the risks without compromise,

  • @rsolsjo
    @rsolsjo Před 3 lety +97

    "I'm an expert on aviation accidents, I can drive a moped."

    • @smokeyveras7235
      @smokeyveras7235 Před 3 lety +1

      All she does is review the information and makes a speech about it. Unless she’s an engineer she doesn’t analyze anything. That’s who the NTSB hires. Not pilots.

    • @astridvvv9662
      @astridvvv9662 Před 3 lety +1

      @@smokeyveras7235 this must be her sock account.

  • @NastyNathanial69
    @NastyNathanial69 Před 3 lety +16

    Forrest Haggerty thank you so much for doing this series on the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash as well as for taking the time to talk to experienced pilots and visit the actual location of the crash site. You have given your viewers a very interesting insight into the circumstances surrounding this tragedy. Forrest Haggerty your videos are absolutely fascinating. That is because YOU are a fascinating man.

  • @thomasdemay9805
    @thomasdemay9805 Před 3 lety +32

    in all the programs i've seen about pilots they say when you are in spacial disorientation you are supposed to rely on and trust your instruments. it sounds like the FAA is telling the pilots to do the exact opposite and telling them they aren't allowed to use the instruments. This video really opened my eyes on the bureaucratic cause of this crash. It's amazing how they misrepresented what the terrain notification system does and used it as a scapegoat. Great job in making this and your featuring of your pilot friends who are obviously very knowledgeable. Hopefully you making people aware of these issues we can get them addressed in some way to make some kind of change to save lives in the future. Great job on this video. RIP Kobe and everyone on board that Helo on that tragic day.

    • @terriholliday8038
      @terriholliday8038 Před 3 lety +2

      The pilot was not authorized/qualified to fly a helicopter in instrument rated conditions.... he was out of his league and should have landed the helicopter as soon as the conditions became out of his VFR scope... forget the "special IFR" that was ego driven and ridiculous. My father died in his plane in similar type conditions and had very few IFR hours.

    • @danwonders9403
      @danwonders9403 Před 3 lety +2

      The comment about “not being allowed to used instruments” is inaccurate. There is no prohibition for using instruments in VFR conditions, and certainly in inadvertent IMC encounters. The FAR’s allow the use of instruments even as a sole source in VMC as long as the required cloud clearances are met.

  • @ghhhp
    @ghhhp Před 3 lety +7

    Dude has one of the most underrated chanels in CZcams this is seriously informative good work broskie 👍

  • @cody6685
    @cody6685 Před 3 lety +6

    Mr. Haggerty, I discovered your videos earlier this afternoon and it’s suddenly midnight. You do wonderful work, thank you. I’ve learned a lot.

  • @jeffprice1838
    @jeffprice1838 Před 3 lety +11

    Forrest, very well done and respectful video. I think the last few seconds of this video put the ignorance of the NTSB on full display. My jaw hit the floor.

  • @urbansnowtrax3733
    @urbansnowtrax3733 Před 3 lety +14

    Every video you produce is such high quality. Thank you for your work.

  • @chazworth6604
    @chazworth6604 Před 3 lety +14

    Thank you for doing this Forrest, good on you and the guys involved.

  • @George-pw7md
    @George-pw7md Před 3 lety +4

    Thank you so much for these videos, man. I've been a Kobe fan since his first year with the Lakers in 96 while I was growing up in Hawaii. Long story short, these videos have helped me get through and find some closure. I've seen the man play live many times and had even been lucky enough to high five him a few times at TD Garden as I've lived in Vermont for the last 21 years. Again, thank you. Brilliant work.

  • @hooktonfonix
    @hooktonfonix Před 3 lety +1

    Your content is top notch. Straight to the point, no long introduction, no music, everything explained thoroughly and clearly. I would subscribe a million times if I could.

  • @TempeLane11552
    @TempeLane11552 Před 3 lety +4

    Forrest, you continue to put out some of the best content on CZcams.

  • @comet1227
    @comet1227 Před 3 lety +51

    Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this. We appreciate your style of teaching and it sticks with a person.

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety +4

      So nice of you! Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them!!!

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety +1

      @Janna yes. According to Ben Seal it is very easy to become disoriented. Helicopter pilots look outside to use visual references. The transition from looking outside to the instruments inside is enough time to become disoriented according to Ben.

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety

      @Janna she was probably in a fixed wing plane. Helicopter is much worse.

  • @lakerliker162
    @lakerliker162 Před 3 lety

    FANTASTIC video. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for posting this.

  • @paulg2773
    @paulg2773 Před 3 lety

    Absolutely amazing what you do, I have watched in the last week all of your videos, please keep doing this, 100% subscribed.

  • @Twisted_utopia
    @Twisted_utopia Před 3 lety +22

    Another excellent upload, I'm assuming this kobe series was the most labor intensive (or biking those steep tate-labianca routes). I appreciated going on-location following the Google earth visual presentation(s). Really added so much to your already incredibly effective way to teach and learn about historical events in the present day showing both perspectives. Well done*****

  • @mrendgame7949
    @mrendgame7949 Před 3 lety +1

    I really appreciate how you don't clickbait or misinform us on the video topic. I wish some CZcamsrs knew this because it just makes it worse for the platform. Keep on the great content though!

  • @Riddle-ho8rv
    @Riddle-ho8rv Před 3 lety +1

    I am so thankful I have found this channel!

  • @motorTranz
    @motorTranz Před 3 lety +2

    This was a superb analysis by two top pilots! Excellent vlog Forrest! Thank you!

  • @redeye780
    @redeye780 Před 3 lety +1

    Underrated video. Thank you for making this

  • @victou
    @victou Před 3 lety +1

    As always amazing video, love the work, such a smoothing voice, great choices of topics, some of the best content out there! Kuddos from France!

  • @Ken-fp3mm
    @Ken-fp3mm Před 3 lety +2

    Will watch this later after errands. I've already thumbed the like because I've never not given it after watching any of your bits. They're all great but a tip of the cap on the Chappaquidick entry and the one about the angry man who modified his tractor and wreaked havoc on those he felt wronged him. Thank you for your great work.

  • @94Aequitas
    @94Aequitas Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for the uploads. Always look forward to them and good on you to get someone on the channel to provide further analysis.

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety

      Thank you for the comment!! I appreciate it and I really appreciate your kind words!

    • @94Aequitas
      @94Aequitas Před 3 lety

      @@forresthaggertychannel4301 I'm sure if I ever get to the states, Ill be following your videos to visit some of the locations around LA.

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety

      @@94Aequitas Let me know. I'll be your guide.

    • @94Aequitas
      @94Aequitas Před 3 lety

      @@forresthaggertychannel4301 would be a privilege!

  • @BryceRogers_
    @BryceRogers_ Před 3 lety +1

    This is incredibly eye-opening and necessary conversation. Thank you for doing this series; Well-done. Hope to see a video talking about what has changed since it happened, once the legislation and leadership changes.

  • @lisaferrell2272
    @lisaferrell2272 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for your time you spent on this case I pray they find the proper ppl to find out why this accident that happened

  • @money6292
    @money6292 Před 3 lety +20

    Dude I fkn LOVE you're content

  • @danielschick7875
    @danielschick7875 Před 3 lety +6

    You deserve so much more subs and views! Beautifuly researched Video.

  • @michellemolly5058
    @michellemolly5058 Před 3 lety

    waited a whole month for this video! thanks for the content...its all so interesting

  • @marciamatteini7604
    @marciamatteini7604 Před 3 lety

    Forrest, Thank you so much for the information on how no one on board that helicopter knew they were in trouble and felt horrible fear. I'm so grateful to know they did not suffer from injuries. That has been haunting me since the crash. I thank God they are at peace and in a better place. Again, thank you.

  • @finnickrinzler8907
    @finnickrinzler8907 Před 3 lety

    I love all of your videos sir. Keep up the awesome work. 🙏❤

  • @chazworth6604
    @chazworth6604 Před 3 lety

    I look forward to all of your content man, for real.

  • @itowedin
    @itowedin Před 3 lety

    Once again, great insight Forrest. Thanks for being so thorough on the crash.

  • @mynameisvna
    @mynameisvna Před 3 lety +5

    Very informative and well done!! This could have been avoided and it still makes me so sad. RIP to all aboard.

  • @Joypyf
    @Joypyf Před 3 lety

    I always enjoy your content, Forrest 👌🏼Thank you

  • @er1ck24
    @er1ck24 Před 3 lety +1

    Everything you present here makes a lot of sense. The more I know about this crash the more it hurts. So much could have been done to avoid it. RIP to all.

  • @cccycling5835
    @cccycling5835 Před 3 lety +3

    I’m just an aviation nerd and live on the CA coast as well. I remember that morning, extremely low hanging clouds and visibility below 5,000 feet. As soon as my family and friends told me what happened (Helicopter around Burbank) I figured instantly that it was probably CFIT.
    RIP Kobe

  • @adrianwilliams3793
    @adrianwilliams3793 Před 3 lety +2

    MAKE MORE VIDEOS!!! Love your style. I am addicted to Google Maps so your style sucked me in. Keep up the good work.

  • @SuperJaviervela
    @SuperJaviervela Před 3 lety

    Thank you for making this.

  • @themerchantofengland
    @themerchantofengland Před 3 lety

    Hi, for some reason CZcams unsubscribed me to your channel. Thankfully I found you again. I love your style and content, can't wait for new material. Thanks Forrest, Paul.

  • @kb3716
    @kb3716 Před rokem +2

    Wow. This was an amazing piece. Frankly, I wasn't even much interested in the crash. Of course my heart and prayers go out to all of those lost and their loved ones. But it's just not something that generally falls within my... whatever you want to call it. I'm going to watch the series you've done of it in reverse now with a whole new appreciation. Outstanding!

  • @KeffandMac
    @KeffandMac Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome video dude. Very professional, keep it up!

  • @BarryMcCokinner
    @BarryMcCokinner Před 3 lety

    Phenomenal job. Being a 22 y/o who was always into basketball Kobe's death was especially touching. I always heard different claims of how it happened, from the helicopter ascending and striking the top of the hill to blatant pilot error, I never knew the one question you answered in this video: WHY. The detail you include in this video was immaculate- not to mention the complete unbiased opinions of retired chopper pilots. The rules and regulations of the FAA was a very important detail that was missing and it shed light on the explanation to the cause of this tragedy. Your video visiting the crash site tied everything in this video together. Many applauds to you my good sir.

  • @dandaniel439
    @dandaniel439 Před 3 lety

    Excellent report. Great experts. Thanks so much. (from a CFII)

  • @psbrayshaw
    @psbrayshaw Před 3 lety +1

    Another absolutely fantastic video Forrest! Thank you for your amazing content.
    Please can you pass my thanks to Dan also.
    Paul (UK)

  • @mistafrooz
    @mistafrooz Před 3 lety

    Hey Forrest I love your channel and all the great history and tidbits you pack into it, great context and unique experience overall. If I may offer a future project idea, the old grounds of Jones in Guyana? Since the jungle has pretty much taken over since then, it’s hard to find specifics on it. The format of this show with a Google earth zoom in would be so cool, the story is just absolutely mind blowing

  • @bengals098558
    @bengals098558 Před 3 lety +1

    You look different than I envisioned lol.
    Good video man. I went up there like a month ago, not long after your last video I think and checked it out. (I stay in Northridge) might go again soon as I like to hike and it was peaceful when I went I was the only one there 😊. Why y'all going in the middle of the day? That's why yall burning up lol...I go early in the morning.
    But appreciate the video and the information. Still crazy that he's gone.

  • @818vAll3r0G
    @818vAll3r0G Před 3 lety +32

    cant believe you guys made that mile and a half hike (and back) in 114 degree weather!

  • @Salien1999
    @Salien1999 Před 3 lety +1

    Wow. Great video. I figured he was disoriented, but I didn't hear about the FAA requiring him not to fly IFR. That's ridiculous and, in the end, tragic.

  • @FluffMuffTater
    @FluffMuffTater Před 3 lety

    Very insightful video. I love your content Forrest

  • @msjamie702
    @msjamie702 Před 3 lety

    Your videos are so well put together. Thank you for the real news, so sick of fake news...

  • @h2otek312
    @h2otek312 Před 3 lety

    Some excellent insights by some seriously experienced folk. This was a highly valuable video.

  • @mjnorman9824
    @mjnorman9824 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank-you for this, I never understood how it could have happened. It’s maddening and heartbreaking to learn why it happened, but I’m grateful to know that they felt no pain or fear. Thank-you.

  • @depotdan4654
    @depotdan4654 Před 3 lety +10

    Amazing. I am far from qualified to provide any valuable insight on the crash and the NTSB investigation. But following this story from the beginning, something just didn’t seem right. If someone like me picked up on it, then it must be resonating in the aviation community. If nothing else.....I can only believe that Kobe with his intelligence and means, would only select the most qualified and experienced pilot(s). This video fills in the gaps and provides a better understanding of those contributing factors that led to such a dire decision by such a qualified airman. Seems you’ve hit the nail on the head.

    • @danwonders9403
      @danwonders9403 Před 3 lety

      Celebrities, wealthy people, and politicians mostly (in my experience flying them on charter work) select their pilots only on personality and trust. The passenger has no way of knowing how good a pilot is until some event pops up to show them. I knew the pilot who killed Senator Welstone. He was an idiot... But the senator requested him on several occasions because they got along well. Dale Earnhardt Jr. praised his pilots after is crash a couple years ago when they were the ones who royally screwed up to cause it. Koby had no way of knowing what his pilot was made of until the last minute....

  • @jerryferguson5461
    @jerryferguson5461 Před 3 lety +3

    Exactly. Fantastic job of representing the facts. The takeaway is: the pilot was qualified for flight into IMC, the aircraft was equipped for flight in IMC, the pilot had been in trouble with the FAA for recovery into inadvertent IMC some five years prior and did not want to get in trouble again and certainly lose his livelihood but save his life, so he pursued the alternative of attempting to preserve his livelihood and save his life.
    The FAA forced him to select the improper action.
    Well done, Mr. Hagerty.

    • @skyboy1956
      @skyboy1956 Před 3 lety +1

      No. the pilot and helicopter did not meet the requirements for flight under IFR while conducting a flight under the ATCO certficate issued by the FAA. IFR authorization requires the helicopter undergo more frequent maintenance checks and requires the pilot complete additional proficiency checks every 6 months. The helicopter operator was free to obtain that authorization, it's not like the FAA said NO, we are making it illegal for you to fly IFR and there is nothing you can do about it, which is what this video wants you to believe.
      Despite being sanctioned in the past, the mission oriented pilot made a conscious choice to operate the helicopter contrary to the FAA regulations, contrary to his FAA issued ops specs and contrary to his FAA approved ops manual. It appears we have a pilot with anti-authority issues.

    • @jerryferguson5461
      @jerryferguson5461 Před 3 lety +1

      @@skyboy1956 Garbage. I will have no further comment.

  • @siskokidd
    @siskokidd Před 3 lety

    Terrific video, as usual. Thank you for your insights and expertise.

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you for your comment and for watching it!

    • @siskokidd
      @siskokidd Před 3 lety

      @@forresthaggertychannel4301 I drove past there two days ago on way to beach. Driver I was with has a 180 ass backward understanding of what happened. He has a tendency to believe any "official authority" appearing on TV. It's a problem. On the plus side, he's game for a trek to the beach at a moments notice. I bring the bike, he brings the surf board ;)

  • @anajones6768
    @anajones6768 Před 3 lety

    Thank you, Mr. Haggerty. You have explained in clear details what caused this awful crash.

  • @timmytwoshoes4076
    @timmytwoshoes4076 Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent explanation of this and probably other accidents that sadly and in all likelihood could have been avoided

  • @jordanbartier5338
    @jordanbartier5338 Před 3 lety +22

    So basically the pilot was scared to lose his license... so sad man

    • @terriholliday8038
      @terriholliday8038 Před 3 lety +3

      he was scared to lose his high profile client...

    • @princenamor1939
      @princenamor1939 Před 3 lety +3

      That's a theory. No one knows.

    • @morthomer5804
      @morthomer5804 Před 3 lety +4

      He lied to ATC regarding weather conditions. He had requested special VFR and knew that he was flying in substandard conditions. A all He had to do, back over Chatsworth, was admit his mistake and return to VNY or pop up above and face the FAA over a violation.

    • @MattPado
      @MattPado Před 3 lety +2

      @@princenamor1939 exactly. Surprised it's not banned from youtube for his opinion

    • @VictoryAviation
      @VictoryAviation Před 3 lety

      @@morthomer5804 If he would have returned to the departing airport, he wouldn’t have to admit anything because he would have stayed out of IMC. Still, since the pilot was a CFII I still don’t get how he completely disregarded his instruments with a steep descent knowing he wasn’t all that far above terrain.

  • @monicahowse7695
    @monicahowse7695 Před 3 lety +1

    Hello! I find your content so interesting. I was wondering if you have done a video on Stevie Ray Vaughan’s helicopter crash.
    Thanks for making the videos!

  • @dougwilson6778
    @dougwilson6778 Před 3 lety

    Another superb video Mr. Haggerty! Stay safe my friend!

  • @tomsmith3045
    @tomsmith3045 Před 3 lety +4

    Pilot here. I always wondered why the pilot didn't request an IFR clearance, would have been so easy. Now I know. And I know the FAA has been lying to us as pilots. The "do the right thing, then worry about the paperwork later", meaning that they're looking for safe operation, not compliance with regulation, is apparently untrue. I think the fix here is to re-evaluate the FAA's authority to suspend pilot certificates. In theory, their authority to suspend has been though to improve safety, but this is an indication that the reverse may be true, so it sounds like they need some non-FAA oversight.
    Re the NTSB, it might be that she's just uneducated, but it also could be that she was mislead by the technology companies making the terrain warning system. Sometimes technology can make things safer, but more often than not failures are a result of procedures or training. In this case, it sounds like faulty FAA procedures. Pilots should never face consequences for choosing safety over regulatory compliance.

  • @lufkin456
    @lufkin456 Před 3 lety

    Hey Forrest thanks for all the work you do in making these videos really enjoy them. I was wondering if you would cover the death of Sam cook that Happened in L.A ? its kinda interesting with theories and stuff. Thanks

    • @G3n10s1TY
      @G3n10s1TY Před 3 lety

      And about stuff that happened with Black Dalia aka Elizabeth Short???

    • @lufkin456
      @lufkin456 Před 3 lety +1

      @@G3n10s1TY Forrest has done a video about the Black Dalia

    • @G3n10s1TY
      @G3n10s1TY Před 3 lety

      @@lufkin456 good now I dont have to wait😂

  • @MrZonacat1
    @MrZonacat1 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video about that terrible accident. Thanks.

  • @adamposset5310
    @adamposset5310 Před 3 lety +2

    Great job Forrest, always showing great content in a respectful and factual manner.

  • @MICHAEL_MAY8
    @MICHAEL_MAY8 Před 3 lety +4

    I've flown with pilots who bend the rules...and do things their own way. I've been in a few situations where I genuinely feared for my life. The common theme in all 3 incidents was "pilot ego". Imo...the pilot had no business putting those people in that position. All the other stuff is just noise.. His giant ego caused that tragedy. PERIOD!

  • @burns32
    @burns32 Před 3 lety

    You sir are very informative, thank you

  • @josepheller8395
    @josepheller8395 Před 3 lety

    Forrest I hope someone from the NTSB or FAA watches this and takes this to heart. I could only hope but we both know how bureaucracy works.

  • @willyt7241
    @willyt7241 Před 3 lety +1

    As a retired 30 year controller you are correct. Pilots are so afraid of a PD being filed against them they unfortunately end up making decisions that are disastrous. He was doing all he could to stay VFR, his history would not allow him to dare to
    declare an emergency and climb into IMC and request an IFR clearance.

  • @KCU_Unfiltered
    @KCU_Unfiltered Před 3 lety +2

    You should have a million subscribers brother.

  • @rooneyrythm
    @rooneyrythm Před 3 lety +1

    A very well produced video

  • @FourRingss
    @FourRingss Před 3 lety +6

    R.I.P Kobe💔💛💜💛💜💛💜

  • @Stevo_Drums
    @Stevo_Drums Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for taking your reporting on this to a deeper investigative level. It not only puts this tragedy into perspective, but it brings awareness to a flawed administrative entity whose job should be, in no small part, to save lives.

  • @vincentlarioque8961
    @vincentlarioque8961 Před 3 lety

    thank you for this information

  • @creolelady182
    @creolelady182 Před 3 lety +10

    The pilot knew full well about the clouds in the mountains The fact that he had to circle for 25 minutes near Van Nuys should have been a warning. The fact that police grounded all of their copters should have told him something but he was just that arrogant

    • @11secghia
      @11secghia Před 3 lety +2

      sorry but his passenger was a p.o.s. and yes he should have landed at Long Beach and told the kiddie toucher to walk BUT he didnt (you might want to look above at my comment before it gets deleted , I know many of the people involved ) it sucks when the people we idolize are assholes but it could have been prevented...

    • @Jshmoney1738
      @Jshmoney1738 Před 3 lety +3

      @@11secghia fuck u

    • @madathmdlla
      @madathmdlla Před 3 lety +1

      There're sayings it was intentional. In LA a lot of armenians were angry on Kobe's deal with Turkish Airlines. And the pilot was an armenian.

    • @angela7265
      @angela7265 Před 3 lety

      @Greg Walker So the fuck what. You sound stupid as hell.

    • @rxtsec1
      @rxtsec1 Před 3 lety

      As a person he might not have been great but to say he wasnt a great basketball player is just foolish. I'm tall and not a nba player & played the sport in high school. He worked hard & earned what he got just like van Halen

  • @moustyish
    @moustyish Před 3 lety +2

    You are a great researcher. Keep the good job going. I may recommend some other topics which I think fits well with your research areas. :
    - Lincoln assasination, J. Wilkes Booth's escape route and death , and the execution of other conspirators. (Might be a video for each)
    - Dr. Martin Luther King assaslnation
    - Red Light Bandit Crlyn Chessman
    - ted Bundy

  • @jamessurber853
    @jamessurber853 Před 3 lety +42

    Those NTSB Board members are bureaucrats who spend most of their efforts going to meetings. I predicted their "report" would be worthless.

    • @BillGreenAZ
      @BillGreenAZ Před 3 lety +3

      It's sad that bureaucrats are the ones who are considered "experts". This is why we have conspiracy theories. Because people know they can easily get one over on bureaucrats and the people will believe the bureaucrats instead of what really happened.

    • @crg5460
      @crg5460 Před 3 lety

      Blah blah

  • @emcity24
    @emcity24 Před 3 lety +3

    While I greatly admire Dan Gryder's work in his AQP-V training for GA, the speculative nature now simmering in this apparent CFIT crash to me (in my non-expert opinion) is the byproduct of not having an onboard ADR (accident data recorder) in charter helicopters that could eliminate conjectural assumptions of the cause when those critical final seconds are forever unknown to a certainty as to what was going on in the cockpit. A descent rate of -6000ft/minute in those last moments could be anything from a medical emergency, to spatial disorientation, to the pilot was looking out the left window in the direction he was turning instead of in front of him. At 184mph in IMC conditions, that descent rate in rising terrain was a death sentence. May the lord grace those that lost their lives and comfort those now grieving for them. Mamba forever MVP

    • @thomasdemay9805
      @thomasdemay9805 Před 3 lety

      people are missing the point. They did speculate on the cause of the crash but that doesn't change the overall larger points. 1) The lady with no experience from NTSB was clearly scapegoating not having TAS which would have been useless. This means the NTSB investigation will likely being unsatisfactory. 2) Unless it was a medical emergency the pilot could have avoided this accident if FAA regulations were changed and they could acknowledge their situation and safely exit rather than having to turn around 180. If it was medical emergency this obviously wouldn't help but some good could still come out of the situation to prevent accidents in the future by addressing this potential reason for the crash rather than blaiming not having TAS and mandating TAS on helicopters which will be a complete waste of money and wont fix anything which seems to be the direction NTSB is heading.

  • @erichaynes7502
    @erichaynes7502 Před 3 lety +1

    I'd like to mention a couple of key issues with this flight. First of all, none of the pilots for this helicopter company had permission to fly via Instruments. Second, if they did have permission to fly via instruments then it would literally take several hours(on a foggy day)to get to Kobe's destination instead of 30 minutes. This is because L.A. has severe congestion in controlled airspace. Obviously, taking hours to fly to his destination is not what Kobe wanted.
    That being said, here's how Kobe's flight unfolded: Due to foggy weather the pilot could not take his normal route by flying west over downtown L.A., over the Santa Monica mountains and then catch the Ventura freeway to Kobe's destination. Instead, the pilot flew a more northerly route, following the Golden State freeway, all in an attempt to avoid the fog. Unfortunately, after circling for awhile(for permission to continue) he ran into fog anyway. The pilot tried to climb up and over the fog but he got spatially disoriented, didn't check his attitude indicator(this would have saved 9 lives) and ended up in a rapid descent and crashed.
    This is why I tell all my pilots only fly with companies that allow Instrument flight rules and ALWAYS be patient to live and fly another day.

  • @DCarloss
    @DCarloss Před 3 lety +6

    Amazing content.... I get why it takes a while for these to come out... Is there anyway you could do more, quicker? But totally understand why it takes a bit to make... THEY ARE JUST SO ADDICTING!!!

    • @jlsicard
      @jlsicard Před 3 lety +6

      It's his voice. He could read the phone book aloud and I would listen.

    • @spiritmatter1553
      @spiritmatter1553 Před 3 lety

      I binge-watched when I first discovered him!

  • @bellyflop9723
    @bellyflop9723 Před 3 lety

    Having experts helps a whole lot.very easy to understand explanation

  • @spiritmatter1553
    @spiritmatter1553 Před 3 lety

    LOVE ❤️ your videos! I’ve been watching urbex The Proper People for indoors exploration and now your channel for outdoors exploration. The revelation at the end of this video...! 💥

  • @jakegalvan3425
    @jakegalvan3425 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for this. Keep it up. #mambaforever

  • @daca4401
    @daca4401 Před 2 lety

    I am glad I found your channel. Bar None

  • @AudieMarshProductions
    @AudieMarshProductions Před 3 lety +2

    Great video!!

  • @TDB.AO.
    @TDB.AO. Před 3 lety

    very interesting video. as always.

  • @toserveman9265
    @toserveman9265 Před 3 lety +1

    I live 3 miles north of the crash site at the same elevation the copter flew before spiraling out of control, about 2100' for me. At 8am that morning I remember thinking how thick the fog was that late in the morning. I literally couldn't see closer than 15', and it was probably worse at the crash site, being that much closer to the coast. He was flying VFR?

  • @crudesplash5583
    @crudesplash5583 Před 3 lety

    Just stumbled upon your content and it’s great

  • @MeaHeaR
    @MeaHeaR Před rokem

    Dan Grider opinion is very interesting of the reason re FAA unt NTSB. Remind me of Flight 965

  • @hatesounds702
    @hatesounds702 Před 3 lety +2

    awesome video

  • @midnighttutor
    @midnighttutor Před 2 lety

    I got my instrument rating a long time ago but I thought at least at that time the FAA did have some kind of amnesty system whereby if you confess your mistake within x days there is no penalty. Did that change?

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 2 lety

      I'm not sure, but I am fairly sure things were happening too fast for the pilot and he fell behind the instruments.

  • @sweetsstarr7058
    @sweetsstarr7058 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for the highlight of if they would have no'n if they were going down, makes me fill better👍❣

  • @0111DTheProphet
    @0111DTheProphet Před 3 lety

    Yall, forrest needs to work for the government in every single aspect. The amount of detail and intelligence that this man radiates

  • @theshenpartei
    @theshenpartei Před 3 lety +1

    You should do a video on the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking or the sinking of the Bismarck or filming locations in movie or tv shows

  • @alanms10
    @alanms10 Před 3 lety

    Good Work Forrest 👍🏼

  • @raangpeaches9656
    @raangpeaches9656 Před 3 lety

    Hey is your north hollywood ahootout video still available?

    • @forresthaggertychannel4301
      @forresthaggertychannel4301  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes. You should be able to see it here:
      videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/north-hollywood-shootout-location_BpQFCwgCrIbXVqO.html

  • @iversonjcameron
    @iversonjcameron Před 3 lety

    The audio does suggest a slight brush with the hill.....a lot of ring videos came on because of the sound of the helicopter sounds that morning

  • @8788luigi
    @8788luigi Před 3 lety

    I agree!. That is why they call it inadvertent entry.

  • @ianoswald1605
    @ianoswald1605 Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent video. I didn’t realize that that the NTSB did not have experienced pilots on staff. As a result I suspect that there conclusions are not worth the paper they are written on. I wonder how many of NTSB got their jobs because of who they knew cause it obviously not what they know.

  • @Kelsiervin
    @Kelsiervin Před 3 lety +1

    New video, awsome!

  • @Geordie736
    @Geordie736 Před 3 lety

    Well said that man speaks a lot of sense