Can A True Christian Lose Their Salvation?
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- Watch the new sermon from Pastor James White at Apologia Church. We are in our series on the Doctrines of Grace/the Five Points of Calvinism. This sermon is on Perseverance of the Saints from the acrostic TULIP. Can a person who is truly saved lose their salvation? What does the Bible teach, consistently, about God's promises to protect and preserve His elect people in Jesus Christ? Watch as Dr. White explains. We pray that you are encouraged and challenged by this series.
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I LOVE this!!! An ex Mormon, I was thrilled when I listened to James on Sola Scriptura! Then he graciously came to Indiana to speak at our Defend the Faith conferences! God bless this gifted Brother in Christ!
James white is a heretic. He doesn't know what the gospel of salvation is (1 Corinthians 15: 1-4), doesn't understand the meaning of repent (to change one's mind). Denies free grace (Ephesians 2: 8-9 tells us otherwise), and denies OSAS yet Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 4:30, and John 10: 28-30 tells us otherwise.
@@Brii.Z can you please explain repentance and faith? What does it mean to repent and believe? You already mentioned that to repent means to change one’s mind. Can you explain what that means?
Is there a need to produce fruits of a Christian? Should Christians be growing or at least have a desire and strive to grow in our ability to follow Jesus in our actions?
Agusta, I am also an exmormon. So happy you too got free and are a believer. Praise God!❤🙏🕊
@@Brii.ZLiterally none of that is true lol.
True word of God. Preach it Dr. White.
Salvation absolutely can be lost, and Ligonier Ministries is satanic, as iscalvinism.
My sheep hear my voice and I know them .
And they fallow ME,
Now this guy I like!
That shows that you are open to The unabridged Word of God not fooled by false preaching false doctrines of a Christ thats unrecognizable by spirit filled Christians. ...thats awesome..God bless you brother..
Hi Ron, Grace, Peace, n LOVE in The HOLY [ONE], KING YHWH 👑 YESHUA.
This is Elder Brother James White and He is one of the most Biblical Teachers alive today (yes, i realize how strong of a statement this is). i've been around the world, and held to many different ..denominations to get to where CHRIST Wants me, HIS slave as a PURITAN REFORMER!
@@waynerickard4670 Calvinism was made up during the 1500s by a murderous man called John Calvin who burned people at the stake. Following this doctrine of Always being Saved is the same as following darkness.
You are incorrect.. He wasn't Vlad the impaler.. Calvin was a theologist..
@@waynerickard4670 Nope. Look it up.
Thank you, Dr. White.
Thank you for presenting this clearly. There are so many conflicting perspectives.
Thank you for this wonderful word! Blessed assurance!
20:34 😆We love Dr. White! ❤️
Whereas for most people, limited (or particular) atonement is the biggest obstacle to Calvinism, for me, it was this doctrine of perseverance of the saints. I used to believe very strongly that we could lose our salvation, and I had a hard time overcoming that when I was in the process of converting to Calvinism.
I’m struggling with that as well… 1 Corinthians 9:27??? That one makes it seem very possible to lose salvation, I’m confused cause theres all these other verses like “He will confirm us unto the end” and “He that started a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” I’m so confused on this
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@@platinum1781 That passage isnt about salvation specifically. Paul is saying that we have to make sure that we cannot simply talk/teach about certain things and not live like that ourselves. For example imagine someone talking about how sex before marriage is bad etc and Christians shouldnt do that, but secretly he does it himself.
He makes it specifically important for himself here since he is going around and teaching people these truths. That he has to keep himself in check that he actually does follow all these things that he preaches lest he be disqualified (not to lose salvation but as a teacher of truth) as it is said there. We do not become completely sinless after salvation. The salvific process is still there with the Holy Spirit in us. We do battle sinful tendencies etc. But if we teach on certain things like Paul did we have to make sure we live it out ourselves as well.
For some people, the main objection is utter depravity. They have a belief that there is some good in themselves and everyone, like Luke believed for Vader, that this small amount of remnant goodness could overcome the weight of sin and utter lostness of the condition of man as described in various texts. John MacArthur had a good observation in the sermon The Most Hated Doctrine. Jesus, speaking to the Jews, said (paraphrasing) "I have told you the truth, and you hate me for telling you the truth. You do not believe me because you are not of my sheep." In other places the Lord says to the Jews, "you are of the devil, and his deeds will you do." MacArthur made the observation, speaking to his congregation, what forceful conversion message do you have that can overcome the utter depravity of man that the Lord himself did not have? If he could not break through, why do you you think you can do it? Only God can break through by regeneration of the lost one and bringing him in by the gift of a new heart, one that desires God instead of sin. Only then will that person be open and eager to please Him, his first act of faith being placing his faith in Christ. Before that monergistic work by God, man is bound as a slave to sin and the works of sin he does. As Genesis 6:5 says," Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." But free-will Pelagians and semi-pelagians want to find wiggle room to say, "ah, but there's still good in you, you just have to be smart or good or humble enough to do X so God will hear you."
So somewhere around 16 minutes he makes the analogy that sheep cannot choose which flock they belong to. That is to say the Pharisees can’t be His sheep because His sheep know His voice. Then he mentions some people saying the Pharisees COULD be his sheep. They just aren’t YET. Dr. White says this is false. They can’t be saved because they don’t hear His voice. Am I correct in my understanding of Dr. White here?
But what about people like me? I went 35 years without hearing His voice. But I was saved and now I do hear His voice. How am I different than the Pharisees?
Legit question here. I’m trying to understand, not debate. Please be kind.
God bless you and your ministry! I wish I could find faithful preachers like you here in my country.
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Love this message. The best I have heard from you. Thanks so much for what you do. We appreciate you so much.
But this preservation sure does produce a deep inner peace.
Amen, brother.
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Hard words toward the end about examining ourselves. Thank you Dr. White.
Why should we examine ourselves?
@@kamilfrompoland7 To see if we’re in the faith. But don’t get carried away: We must keep our eyes on Jesus.
@@johnkw47
So a Christian can lose his faith?
@@kamilfrompoland7 No.
@@johnkw47
So what does it mean to be in the faith?
Amen! This was an excellent series. May the name of Jesus be praised.
God bless these men who preach the biblical truth
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It can't be found here
@@JimiSurvivor
Yes it can and it does.
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It makes God that cause not only of men's salvation but their damnation. Even though nobody has a choice in the system of Augustine and Calvin, men are nevertheless blamed for the choices they make. It is insanity
@@JimiSurvivor
Romans 9:16
Philippians 2:12-13
It is what it is. Who am I a man to say to the potter anything?
@@JimiSurvivor
You think Augustine came up with this? 🤣😂🤣😂
You might want to read some letters from Clement of Rome. Taught by the Apostle and those letter teaches election clearly.
Colossians 1:22 But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence 23 if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant
Its a personal walk. In proverbs the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.
The interesting thing is in Matthew 25: 34-40 where Jesus talks about the goats and the sheep - those he knew and didn't know : “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, *_you who are blessed by my Father,_* inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world."
The only ones who get into the Kingdom are those who have been blessed by God. Those are they whom the Father Gives to Jesus.
Rest...🙌🏼
I love our God. Even tho sometimes it seems impossible.
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God is perfect
It is what has been the prevalent teaching for decades of Dispensationalism. That as you stated sir, they jus go and choose by in their free will who they will follow.
"... And I will lose NONE of them." Why fight against Yeshuah's own words?
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 , " Know ye not that they which run in a race all , bUt one receiveth the prize ? So run , that ye may obtain . And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things . Now they do it to obtain a corrptible crown ; but we an incorruptible . I therefore so run , not as uncertainly ; so fight I , not as one that beateth the air : But I keep under my body , and bring it into subjection : LEST THAT BY ANY MEANS , WHEN i HAVE PREACHED TO OTHERS , i MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY " . This came from the apostle Paul , who we believe was a true christian , under the blood of Jesus Christ ; if Paul can say this , why would you say that a true christian cannot lose his salvation ? This is what te Messiah said himself about being saved : Matthew 24:13 , " But he that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved " . Jesus said that he would lose none of them , but you can lose your salvation by not enduring until the end ( John 15:1-2 , " I AM the true vine , and my Father is the husbandman . Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away : and every branch that beareth fruit , he purgeth it , that it may bring forth more fruit " ) . This is coming from the Messiah himself ; to be a branch in him , you are now under his blood , and redeemed from your past sins . The Father is the HE , that taketh you away , if you do not beareth fruit . Please all of read John 15 ; this does not say once you come under the blood of Christ you all always saved . Shalom !
@@messengerisrael3817 Know one knows who makes up the elect... Let the wheat and the tears grow together. .. The Lord of the harvest will do the separating. .. Those that are his, will be the manifest reality that He's "LOST NONE OF THEM ".. Paul is making it clear that he himself may not be elect... That's as humble as you can get ; so "make your calling and election sure". But not to qualify you to get in, but so that you might hope in grace.. because it does not depend upon the one who runs, or the one who wills, but God who showeth mercy... "I will show mercy on whom I will and harden whom I will.. That's my goodness "... So again, Yeshua's own words. ."I will lose none of them, that the Father gave me. ".. "You have not chosen me, but I you.. And ordained you... His faith keeps you humble to trust that you are His, not your works, i.e. making you confident in them to qualify you.. We all know in our hearts if we're seeking merit to get in.. That's not the spirit of the Christian. .. Paul explains this clearly in Rom. 9.. And if you have an objection to the Lord choosing, then to you, "Nay O man. . Who art thou that repliest to God? .. Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, why has thou made me thus? Some for the riches of his glory, and some for dishonor? .. Yeah.. And that's the manifesting value of the child of God, to manifest the humility to let God harden and destroy whomever he wills, because He owns everything. .. To Enoch, " Before anything existed at all, from the very beginning, I created from the non existent, and from the invisible the visible. . Pay attention to my words Enoch, for not even to my angels have I disclosed their origins." THE ALL MIGHTY HAS SPOKEN, and none can stay His hand or say unto Him , what doest thou. .. none can...
You are either humbled by this, or rebel against it to join Satan and challenge Yahweh s sole rule and decision making, replying back to God ; or inventing a works doctrine that somehow makes God entitled to reward our good behavior; accountable us, and thusly forced to do that which is "good", to merit our good free will actions... We're not worshipping God by fear at that point, but you're demanding that He behave by acknowledging standards. .. That's not the grace gospel. .. It's Satanic/ Greek self worship, where the man is the mover and God is the actor ; and the actor is bound in his response to the mover... This is blasphemy. .. The truth is that Yahweh is the dread sovereign, and we bow in fear to his will... To Job, "Gird up thy loins like a man and answer Me if thou hast understanding? "Where were you when I made everything? " .. "Answer Me if thou hast understanding? .. Exactly, we can't.. because we were dust formed... An immense gulf exists between His power and our insignificant, almost insulting beginning. .. No works salvation therefore. . Salvation by the will, and electing grace of THE SOVEREIGN. .. . WHO ART THOU O MAN? Wisdom starts with the FEAR of THE LORD.
Peace.
@@richardhislop9928 Let's make this simple , we are given instructions ( laws ) from the Father ; while do you believe if you stop keeping his instructions ( laws ) , you will be saved anyway ( Matthew 7:21-23 , " Not everyone that saith unto me , Lord, Lord , shall enter into the kingdom of heaven ; but HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN . Many will say to me in that day , Lord , Lord , have we not prophesied in thy name ? and in thy name have have cast out devils ? and in thy name done many wonderful works ? And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you : depart from me , ye that work iniquity " . What is iniquity ? Answer , sin . What is sin ? Answer , Sin is the transgression of the law ( 1 John 3:4 ) ; So back to the statement of Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:13 . You use many sweet words , but God is not the author of confusion , he tells you in simple words what you must do to have eternal life . Shalom !
@@messengerisrael3817 Galatians makes it clear that adding anything to the grace of God, the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, is enough to anathematize that person. In the example of Galatians, it was the sign of physical circumcision. But Paul's point is that one cannot walk down the path of grace AND the path of works. Jesus kept those works on our behalf through His perfect life. Only by resting in His sacrifice will we be doing the work of God. As it is written, should anyone sin, we have an advocate in Jesus. We will NEVER fully stop sinning until we are completely sanctified after physical death. We WISH to keep His laws because our regenerated heart WANTS to please God, not because we MUST in order to be saved.
@@douglasmcnay644 Jesus Christ is a sin sacrifice of atonement for your sins .
What is sin ?
1st John 3:4 , " 4.Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin is the transgression of the Father's laws , Jesus Christ is the atonement for them , not the replacement for them .
If you commit a crime against the government structure , and you are given a pardon for that crime , can you go out again and commit another crime without paying the price for that crime ?
Peter said that Paul's writings and other scriptures are sometimes hard to be understood ( 2 Peter 3:15-16 ) .
In the bible you see circircumcision of flesh of foreskin and circumcision of heart for sin , but what are they ?
Circumcision of flesh of foreskin is an everlasting covenant that God made with Abraham and his seed , and the strangers purchased with money to be of his house . This is one of the commandments of God the Father .
Circumcision of heart for sin is the sin sacrifice of atonement of faith through the mediator Jesus Christ . This a sin sacrifice law to recover you when you break one of te commandments of the Father . What did Jesus say as e began his ministry in Mark 1:14-15 ?
Mark 1:14-15 , " 14.Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Jesus Christ is a sin sacrifice of faith , you must repent of your sins with a sorrowful heart ( mind ) and believe by obeying your mediator Jesus commandments ; which he received from the Father .
What most people forget is , there was another sin sacrifice of atonement of works that Jesus replaced , the circumcision of flesh for sin ; The law of animal sacrifice and oblations ; which came through the mediator Moses , under the priesthood of Leviticus .
This is the law of works that Paul was talking about in Ephesians 2:9 ; but the works of God is in Ephesians 2:10 and 2 Timothy 3:17 ; that is of faith , keeping the Father's laws .
Why do you think that Christ answered the man's question of : " What good things must I do to have eternal life ? Jesus stated : " Keep the commandments .
You cannot go under the blood of Jesus Christ until you start keeping the Father's commandment ; the Father dwell in light ( righteousness ) , not darkness ( sin ) .
1 JOHN 1:5-7 , " 5.This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
You must repent and believe your mediator of faith , JESUS CHRIST ; which means that you MUST START KEEPING THE LAWS THAT THE FATHER GAVE HIM TO GIVE YOU .
Shalom !
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Comforting to know that Google even recognises Heresey haha.
Which statement in this video did you disagree with, and upon what basis? Give the time stamp.
Do you mean this one?
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I'll await the answer to my question.
What are you on about I didn't disagree with anything haha.
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Thank you for this. I will be debating a kenosis Pentecostal pastor this coming months.
What's a kenosis pentecostal?
Praying for you bro 🙏
There is no debate. It’s crystal clear that you can walk away from your salvation!!!!
@@jtizzy12 how so is it crystal clear?
PatternSon read the entire New Testament
It is unrealistic to expect a Calvinist to get this right when they can’t even correctly identify what a “true Christian” is.
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Grace is a gift of God to us. Therefore it can be recieved or accepted and it can be rejected and refused. Also believers can become unbelievers again. Its happening in real time
I am 50/50 on this subject, it is up to God to deal with this, you cant present your teaching on one page, Dr,white should know this😢
But the heresey in the early church was that they continued to go back to the law...and when sin in the church was addressed by Paul it was to destroy their flesh not to regain their Salvation but to regain their fellowship
Once you get that none of us deserve Heaven then you can accept what God Himself says, that He makes some for Jesus and some for destruction. We all deserve destruction but for God and His Amazing Grace.
1) John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book III, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7: "...God by his eternal and immutable counsel determined once for all those whom it was his PLEASURE one day to admit to salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, it was
his PLEASURE to doom to destruction."
2) Ezekiel 18: 23, 32 (ESV): "Have I any PLEASURE in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" ... "For I have NO PLEASURE in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God, so turn and live."
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So I was baptized as a Jehovah's Witness when I was 15. I didn't stay with them very long, my knowledge wasn't much and the mother of my son was raised a witness. Its been 30 yrs and this entire time I've felt pulled to go to church or learn of god but only recently have I felt the pain I've caused Jesus. It very difficult to know who to trust or where to go for knowledge. But my question is would I need to be baptized again ?
You would be baptized as a public showing that you are saved by the blood of Christ by faith and that your life is now pointed to following him (the Christ and God of the bible). so you were following whatever teaching in the jehovahs witness but now have turned to Christ and the true gospel. A physical baptism wont save you, if your faith is in Jesus (who scripture says is God) and his death on the cross and his Resurrection you are already saved. This of course including repenting (turning away from sin and turning to God) and then calling upon his name for salvation. "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13. There are many things we need to be taught from the bible (not jehovahs witness everything they teach is opposite of Christ). But yeah i would suggest being baptized again but to worship Christ and publicly show others you are following him
@@Foxtrot07gamer: I think the Apostle Paul disagreed with your statement. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (AKJV) "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
James 2:20 "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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@@dleoburns what's your point? He did say "repent and believe"..
Not sure why you posted the vise list as if repentance doesn't mean turning from sin and towards Christ.
I'm confused by your comment..
@James Eck
Yes. The first baptism was into a false gospel, if you can even call it that. Repent and be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. I have videos where I speak with Jehovah’s witnesses and speak on much of their teachings. Leave your number in my email and we could dialogue if your interested: espinosajesse1@gmail.com
@@charlescameron2732: The point is those who inherit the kingdom of God are required to be washed (baptized), sanctified (cleansed), and justified (reconciled) according to the Apostle Paul. The Apostle James declares that justification comes by faith and works. This man has the same requirements and would need to be baptized into a Church with those requirements.
I still want to know HOW God chooses men and women for His Son. Personally, I believe God must have cast lots. This is the only way in my estimation that God could "choose" by way of unmerited favor. Please read Leviticus 16 and help me understand these passages that I believe God led me to in searching the Old Testament regarding His Son and the way of His choosing.
I think His criteria for election is His own righteousness and we can rest assured in that.
God chooses those who repent of their sins and believe the gospel. Whoever meets that criteria will be chosen
JimiSurvivor is definitely correct. It’s repeatedly stated as so throughout the NT.
If you repent and believe, you shall be saved.
I can point you to some scripture if you like.
@@JimiSurvivor This is exactly backwards.
@@douglasmcnay644
All through the NT the gospel proclamation is repent and believe in the Savior. A person who has not repented does not see their need for a savior and certainly will not take the radical step of turning their life over to Jesus Christ:
24 Then Jesus told His disciples, “If ANYONE wants to COME AFTER ME [as a sheep], he must DENY HIMSELF and TAKE UP HIS CROSS and follow Me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever LOSES HIS LIFE for My sake WILL FIND IT [i.e., will find LIFE]. 26 What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
(Matthew 16:25)
How can I find your whole series on the doctrines of grace?
You can’t find it. You are dead in sin and do not seek. God has to give you the whole series.
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Man this really made me crack up!
@@mtbeliever5833 LOL! That's funny!
Institutes is not worth reading
Why did I have a Todd White ad on this video
UCE is Romans 4 1-6. KJV.
God didn’t choose me . But ,,, I ,,,chose to receive Gods salvation out of MY freewill . And when I stand before the Almighty and he says well done thy good and faithful servant, I will tell him, yes I know.
I know ur a troll, but it would have been even funnier if u were serious
@@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx lol are you trolling me? I can’t believe it took 4 days for someone to respond to my self righteous comment to even entertain the idea that I have complete control of my salvation based on my choosing,and God was secondary . Salvation is of God .salvation means to deliver only God can deliver .God the Father is the Author of Salvation,God the son Accomplished Salvation,God the The Holy Spirit Applies Salvation.
@@Terrylb285 literally was just watching my favorite scholar and came across ur dumb little comment, chill
I do understand that you cannot be saved by others “obviously” but I’ll tell you some of my testimony
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I got saved on my 20’s I’m 54 now and I never denied Christ when I was in the world! God brought me back to him, I did not loosed my salvation. He says repent and turn back it doesn’t say repent and baptized again, He said it to Israel lots of times If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will heal their land." Does it say they loose their salvation?
Can someone then please explain 1 Corinthians 9:27 and 1 Peter 2:1 I’m not taking a stance or anything… just really wrestling with this
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Hello Platinum. The "Once Saved Always Saved" was a teaching invented during the 1500s by a wicked man called John Calvin who was ok with burning people alive.
The Bible teaches in Revelation 22 19 that a person's name can be removed from God's book of life. The only way to have your name written in that book is if you believed in Jesus.
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@@joeydaniel3053 yeah, I have rejected OSAS as of like a week ago lol.. too many warning passages to Christians that would be pointless if eternal security was biblical
@@joeydaniel3053 as for Calvinism, I reject it completely… thanks to soteriology101 showing me the biblical truth of God’s love for ALL
In Catholicism I believe, certain sacraments can only be validly performed by a validly ordained preist....(eucharist? Penance?)
Did you know that the eucharist is the priest pulling Jesus out of Heaven every time and re-sacrifices Him on the alter and literally eats His flesh and drinks His blood. It's called a Non Bloody Sacrifice. So I wonder why the last words of Jesus were,"It is Finished". I was raised Catholic as well and it makes me mad to see all the lies in this cult deceiving people, but I know that Jesus will save His sheep. You can not read the Bible and still be a Catholic, you have to twist and add to make that work because the Biblical christianity and Catholicism are 2 very different things. I guess you can say as different as Heaven and Hell. I pray God will open your eyes as He did mine.
For clarify, I'm neither Catholic nor Christian :) Just was making an observation about Catholic practices
@@tonya1802 A re-sacrifice...uh no. You need to read the Catechism. And yes it is His literal flesh and blood, that is what He gave to us on the Cross. It wasn't make-believe flesh and blood on the Cross. His Sacrifice is eternal. It's not a re anything, it's participation in the wedding banquet with the Bridegroom.
@Noah Wells Purgatory is most definitely Biblical. Revelation 21:27, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, Philippians 2:10, 2 Macc 12:43-45
@A. That's because though you have ears you can't hear. The Bible specifically says you can fall away. To deny that is to deny the Truth. Jesus said so, take it up with Him.
2 Corinthians 5 , 19-20. Transfer. Like an account Transfer. Once God completes the Transfer in Christ "it is finished." 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him
Christ's death was not substitutionary, but marital.
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What about 1 Corinthians 3:15? And the sinful man in 1Corinthians 5:5? Did they loose their salvation?
Most people that stop going to church! Nobody cares to go look for them or care to see what happened!
Does it mean they have fallen away? Even though! This two scriptures they did not left. But are saved at the end by grace? I’m not saying that you should go sinning just because you are saved! Is like God gave you a job, and he doesn’t fire you, and as long you don’t quit, you are still hired, so why would you not do your job! Should you get paid for it? But you were still hired?
How can you know if you are a 'true Christian' is the first question. Second would be, what acts disqualify you from being a 'true Christian'. The classic answer being apostasy but I recall Jeff Durbin telling a woman that she didn't know God even though she claimed she did because she most likely had an abortion. So if very serious sin like abortion, murder, apostasy disqualifies you from being a Christian then that is essentially the same thing as losing your salvation. Then I would say how can you ever now that these things won't happen in your life for whatever reason. Maybe someone does something really bad to your family and you kill them later because of it and commit murder. Ultimately how can you ever know that you won't do these things in the future and subsequently not be a 'true Christian'. Also if you were a Christian and did one of these things in the past but then repented does that just mean you were a 'true Christian' then you were a 'fake Christian' or nonbeliever and then you were a 'true Christian' again after you repented. It doesn't make any sense and its not even close to being taught in Scripture or any version of orthodox historical Christianity. Please read the Church Fathers, the Councils, and the Scriptures and think critically about your beliefs and where they originated from.
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Denying The Holy Spirit is The unforgivable sin. All other sins are forgivable .
As with most of these arguments, the problem is readily apparent in the Title of the video. Ofcourse the Title betrays this entire line of reasoning because it is a logical fallacy to assume absolute knowledge of another person as a "TRUE CHRISTIAN" or has "TRUE FAITH" You see, it begins right there &, is always overlooked.
Remember, the wheat & the tares grow up together &, the tares can just as well be within the walls of the Church.
Since the names are written in "The Book of Life" written before the creation, it is logical to me that, from an absolute perspective, one cannot lose their salvation.
However, since we are not privy to the Lords knowledge, all we can truthfully state is the appearance of salvation or, the loss thereof.
Those written in the book of life can be booted out.
Why does Dr. White teach in church like he's debating an adversary?
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dont those who hold the premillennial view believe that in the millennial kingdom (which they believe is still in our future), the temple is rebuilt and so is the sacrificial system??? i had one person tell me that all people living in the millennial kingdom will have to make a yearly pilgrimage to jerusalem to visit the temple and make a sacrifice!!!!
That is what Ezekiel 45 and Zechariah 14 say. I see no problem with having sacrifices as a memorial. We already do that with the Lord's supper. The Lord's supper is a memorial of His life for ours.
You and I will not be of those in the Millennial kingdom. We will be ruling and reigning with Christ.
In Christ's earthly visible reign, Israel will be the head of the nations. Jerusalem will be where the temple is. Everybody will come to Jerusalem to worship Christ or He will withhold rain from them.
Yeah Premillennial has a lot of wacky and frankly heretical views such as this.
Only in dispensational version of premillennialism. Historic premillennialism does not hold these temple views
@@bryantvanfossen8099 the Lords supper is the memorial, not a sacrifice. Those verses are not talking about a third temple. It is talking about the second temple, or an “ideal” temple which is symbolic similar to the symbolic holy city in Rev. Israel is saved through Christ. Christ is reigning on earth now
@@gregcowan7 dear brother, thank you for the response and insight.
“The Lord’s Supper is a memorial not a sacrifice” - I could not agree more. It’s a memorial (“Do this in remembrance of me”) and prophetic (“we do show His death til He come”) That’s why I said it was a memorial. The memorial portion will be forever throughout all eternity, but the prophetic aspect will obviously end at His coming. I do not believe and the scriptures do not teach that the Lord’s Supper is an unbloodied sacrifice. I was saying those sacrifices that are spoken of in those texts will be memorial in nature. In the OT they pointed forward to Christ. At that point, they will point backward to Christ’s death.
“Those verses are not talking about a third temple. It is talking about the second temple, or an “ideal” temple” - The second temple was built after the captivity. This is not what The Lord through Ezekiel was referring to. Our understanding of this text will differ and that is ok. I am not intending to argue or cause division among brethren. I do not break fellowship over differences in something like this. With that understanding, my only struggle with your understanding of the Old Testament texts is that it is clearly, in context, describing earthly things. A physical temple, actual sacrifices, etc. and that is how it’s original hearers would have understood it. I struggle with reading our understanding of things back into Old Testament texts in which it would have made no sense to the original hearers. Again, we can disagree and that’s ok.
“Similar to the symbolic holy city in Rev.” again we can agree to disagree. I read that text literally and yes I understand Revelation has much symbology in it. Much if not most of its symbology’s interpretation is given in the text itself.
“Israel is saved through Christ.” Amen and amen. Did I somehow contradict that? If so, that was not my intent. Christ is THE ONLY way. Israel is not saved one way and Gentiles another. No, He has made of both 1. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, in Christ. Christ is the only savior. Nobody comes to the Father but by Him.
“Christ is reigning on earth now.” - Again, we can agree to disagree. The scriptures teach, without a doubt, Christ has all authority in heaven and on earth. Absolutely. There is no other power than what He has. He is Lord of lords and King of kings. God does as He wills in the armies of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth. He is in the heavens and has done whatever He has pleased. With these, I agree. With the statement “Christ is reigning on earth now” I disagree because I don’t see Him. Christ’s visible earthly reign, again I grant Christian liberty in this, will be be visible. I believe He reigns now, invisibly. The church’s job isn’t to reign the world so He can’t reign the world through the church, His body. I would say “He’s reigning over earth in heaven, for now.”
Hope you have a blessed Lord’s day, dear brother.
The Jews, early Christians, and Christians before the 1500s were wrong about salvation being conditional.
But lo and behold, a random French guy who burned 15 women alive and believed God was the author of evil said salvation was unconditional and now everyone believes You can't lose your salvation!
I smell rotten fruit of unbelieve right here.
@@Hemmah219 Calvinism leads to unbelief. Tell me, whose names are written in the book of life?
A Christian can never lose their salvation. No question about that. However, most professing Christians are not saved in the first place.
Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me..." Stop right there! Please pray! Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. What Christ is about say, though it sounds so trivial to many, holds your destiny: heaven or hell, God's favor or His wrath, being a genuine Christian or a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water bubbling up inside him (John 17.3)." Are you filled with the Holy Spirit, seated in the heavenlies with Christ, having rivers of living water? If not, then you are not saved! Whoever believes in Christ shall have those rivers of living water. If you are not sure, you can pray. Jesus said, "My Father shall give the Holy Spirit to whoever ask of Him." Ask, trusting in the promises of God, and you shall receive!
Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. Do you know Him? Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
I identify as one of those sensitive souls
What's God's name???
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Church is more than a denomination or a building....
If the shepherd chooses the sheep, the sheep hear His voice, then what about the sheep that have gone astray? Leave the 99 sheep to go find the lost sheep. Does that not contradict this calvinism concept?
Faith is not the gift, it's grace that's a gift from God. What's the point of Jesus saying in Mark 16:16. He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, he who believes not shall be condemned? Does that need to be retranslated "he who God does not give faith to shall be condemned "?
Why does Christ give multiple commands for men to believe when it's only God gifting men with faith? Christ should only say "those who receives faith from God, you will follow Me, you will believe in Me because you don't have a choice but to be faithful. "
What about the statement " o ye of little faith!" So I guess God FAILS to give enough faith?
Calvinsts misinterpret the doctrine of possibility of apostasy JUST LIKE JWs misinterpret the doctrine of the Trinity!
No one can snatch away a Christian from God, but there is no scripture that claims a Christian cannot walk away on their own will.
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@@snackpup you need the whole counsel of God and not some cherry picked verses taken out of context.
How did Peter preach the Gospel? How did Paul preach it? Did it involve water baptism? Yes or no?
Because both preached water baptism Because Jesus Christ preached it, so if you don't, then you don't have the same Gospel Jesus Christ died for. Therefore just as Paul said in Galatians 1;8-9, if anyone preaches a different Gospel, let him be accursed! So you are accursed for your false doctrine. You will not go to heaven. Repent and turn (Acts 3:19)
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 , " Know ye not that they which run in a race all , bUt one receiveth the prize ? So run , that ye may obtain . And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things . Now they do it to obtain a corrptible crown ; but we an incorruptible . I therefore so run , not as uncertainly ; so fight I , not as one that beateth the air : But I keep under my body , and bring it into subjection : LEST THAT BY ANY MEANS , WHEN i HAVE PREACHED TO OTHERS , i MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY " . This came from the apostle Paul , who we believe was a true christian , under the blood of Jesus Christ ; if Paul can say this , why would you say that a true christian cannot lose his salvation ? This is what te Messiah said himself about being saved : Matthew 24:13 , " But he that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved " . Shalom !
Amen. Eternal security is a lie. In John 15:6 Jesus says is you don’t abide in Him you’ll be cut off wither and be burned. I’m trying to expose the lies on my channel. God bless you.
@@abideintheWord So, would unsaved people abide in Christ?
@@coltonbrewer6632 no. To abide means to remain. You cannot “remain” in a place which you never were at.
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@@abideintheWord
It’s maybe better stated that we have eternal security in Christ but we can depart from Christ.
There are passages that speak of eternal security but it’s always in reference to being in Him. The warnings are about not continuing in Him.
I know it’s just how it’s worded but it adds clarification for those who disagree with you.
God bless.
WHERE IS REPENTANCE AND FAITH PROVEN BY DEEDS THAT WAS PREACHED BY JESUS AND THE APOSTLES?
Good point. The gospel of Jesus has been abandoned in favor of a more popular antinomian form of the gospel that bears only a superficial resemblance to the original. The engineers that built this new WAY widened it to facilitate traffic and they widened the door so everybody can get in
What is repentance?
@@louiseleite3866
Repentance the point when we turn from our sin to Christ. We do not arrive at that point until the Holy Spirit has first CONVICTED us that we are sinners. In conviction the Holy Spirit, in concert with the word, act on our hearts to persuade us that we are evil and need a Savior.
…7 But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He comes, He will CONVICT THE WORLD in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 in regard to SIN, because they DO NOT BELIEVE IN ME;
(John 16:7-9)
The Holy Spirit convicts the world (of fallen humanity) mainly about the fact that they DO NOT BELIEVE. He concentrates initially on the sin of UNBELIEF since faith is our only hope of escaping judgment. After all He wants more than reformed sinners. He wants new creations. Of course, the Spirit also convicts believers of sin.
Conviction is about PERSUASION, that is, the Holy Spirit using the word offers a "reasoned defense" of the faith to the MIND while appealing to the CONSCIENCE with EVIDENCE of our guilt. These things are shown in the definition of the world "convict."The word convict is a translation of the Greek word
elégxō (STRONGS NT 1651: ἐλέγχω)
which - properly, means: to convince with solid, compelling evidence, especially to expose (PROVE WRONG, connect).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon gives the following definitions:
1. to convict, refute, confute, generally with a SUGGESTION OF THE SHAME of the person convicted
2. by conviction to bring to light, to EXPOSE
Thus conviction is about proving to us we are WRONG
REPENTANCE is when the person finally stops resisting the Spirit and through godly sorrow turns away from his former life
THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON defines repentance (STRONGS NT 3341: μετάνοια) as:
a change of mind: as it appears in one who repents of a PURPOSE HE HAS FORMED, or of SOMETHING HE HAS DONE, Hebrews 12:17 on which see εὑρίσκω, 3 ((Thucydides 3, 36, 3); Polybius 4, 66, 7; Plutarch, Peric c. 10; mor., p. 26 a.; τῆς ἀδελφοκτονιας μετάνοια, Josephus, Antiquities 13, 11, 3); especially the CHANGE OF MIND of those who have begun to ABHOR THEIR ERRORS and MISDEEDS, and have DETERMINEDto enter upon a BETTER COURSE OF LIFE, so that it embraces both a RECOGNITION OF SIN and SORROW FOR IT and hearty AMENDMENTS, the tokens and effects of which are good deeds (Lactantius, 6, 24, 6 would have it rendered in Latin byresipiscentia) (A. V. repentance): Matthew 3:8, 11; Luke 3:8, (16 Lachmann); Luke 15:7; Luke 24:47; Acts 26:20
Merely using the bare etymology of the word metanoia ("change of mind") to define the word does not capture the full sense of what it means any more than an etymology of an English word captures the full meaning of it. What matters is not the origins of a word but what the word has come to mean.
@Northern Wolf
Yes, the scriptures are perfectly clear on these matters. However, since they does not comport with James White's belief system he rejects it immediately. Jesus COULD NOT have meant what He said! Did He not know that no conditions are attached to salvation? I imagine though that, had these things taught by John Calvin or Martin Luther White probably would have believed the text as written. What does that tell us about White source of truth?
As Jesus said:
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
This is not he only time such a thing is mentioned in the NT. The Apostle John says the same thing.
15 Everyone who hates his BROTHER is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer.
(1 John 3:14-15)
The word BROTHER shows that the Apostle was talking about those who were of the faith, not about worldly people who are already judged. John equates the sin of hate with that of murder. He then goes on to state a general proposition ALREADY KNOWN to believers - that
"ETERNAL LIFE does not reside in a murderer"
So it is not just that an unrepentant hater (or murderer) is divested of HEAVENLY REWARDS. Rather, any believer in whom hate has become endemic no longer possesses ETERNAL LIFE.
@Northern Wolf
John spoke of hating BROTHERS specifically because the letter was written to brother's in Christ. In the scripture I cited:
15 Everyone who HATES his brother is a murderer, and you know that eternal life does not reside in a murderer.
(1 John 3:15)
The word HATE is a present tense participle which denotes an action that is continual and unremitting. It is more than just anger. I have known believers who have carried abiding hate for years towards a brother. Still they are unrepentant. As long as they remains in that state of mind then they are a murderer in whom eternal life cannot abide. The remedy is to repent and confess the sins so we can be forgiven and cleansed (1 John 1:7-9)
We are not merely told to forgive brothers in Christ but to forgive people in the world Jesus said they are the enemies of God as well as His children:
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
(John 15:18-19)
Still Jesus wants to redeem them and we should want the same thing.
Also, Jesus does not want us objectifying anyone whether they are believers or not, married or not.
Do some protestants now have cross as necklace?
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I Didn’t know protestants had a problem with ppl wearing a cross for good reason.
I’m gonna keep it simple I honestly don’t think you lose salvation threw sins I believe if you lose faith in Jesus you lose your salvation I don’t see how you can be a Muslim or another belief that doesn’t have faith in Jesus and think you have salvation cause you accept him before even if you a Christian organization I still don’t see how Jehovah witness that have faith in Jehovah and separate Jesus from him would have salvation in the Bible it say have faith in Jesus and you have eternal life it that simple I don’t need a hour to explain it
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One has to define a true Christian
The elect wont lose their salvation
If they did god would lose those he
Paid for
Ransomed by the precious blood of jesus
THE MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS BELIEVE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION BY ABANDONING GOD COMPLETELY. GOD BLESS YOU.
David China
Maybe my knowledge is not so profound, but can you find a reference for the true Christians you are saying? If they are true, that means only that there are false. Second, what you are saying that the elect will not lose their salvation is contrary to what Matthew 24:24; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Galatians 6:7. Believers in Christ can still fall from salvation (see Romans 8:1,13; 11:22 & Hebrews 10:26-27). The Lord said that being a believer, you walk worthy of your calling, and you must bear the fruits of your faith in him (Ephesians 4:1). Having said that, if you cannot bear the fruits of your faith then you will be cut off from the relationship of God (John 15:2,6).
@@paeng46
I see your point however
The five points of calvinism
Give security especially
Perseverance of the saints
Peter was restored after he
Denied jesus
Jn17.9-12
Also predestination gives security
David Chinna
You can only remain to have the hope of salvation as long you are abiding and remain in the faith with the Savior (see John 15:4). Peter was restored to the fellowship because he repented, and didn't live to that denial. Everyone who sins against God us is likewise given, by the grace of God the chance to get right with God through repentance (Luke 15:17). Had King David chose not to repent of his sins, he would have totally lost the joy of his salvation and was never restored to the fellowship (Psalms 51:10-12). Repentance is essential to keep our fellowship and relationship with God (1 John 1:9), and which Calvinism doesn't believe to be true. Calvinism, the source of OSAS teaching doesn't believe in repentance, because for them: repentance means work.
Predestination is not predetermination. It is that God has laid out a good path for mankind to walk in (Psalms 1:1-2), and so for them to be saved. With this path that God had chosen for men, he gives men the freedom to walk into it. That's predestination. God never forced anyone into heaven against his will. God has given men the freedom of will to choose him before they became believers; and that free will was never taken from them after they became his children. People can decide to follow and obey God or not based on their own freedom of will; hence Calvinism is only giving men the false assurance of security.
@@paeng46
Interesting but what about Judas
Who repented yet he was the son
Of perdition
However there is the general call
To repentance and the effectual
Call which works in the elect
You ought to read Ezekiel 33:13 which teaches that those declared RIGHTEOUS / JUST will have that verdict reversed again IF they return to a life of willful sin. And it will be as though they were NEVER JUSTIFIED.
When I shall say to
THE RIGHTEOUS, that:
'HE SHALL SURELY LIVE',
IF he trust to his own
righteousness, and COMMIT
INIQUITY, all his righteousnesses
SHALL NOT BE REMEMBERED;
But
FOR HIS INIQUITY that he hath
committed,
HE SHALL DIE
(Ezekiel 13:33)
And Paul reiterates this same WARNING in his allusuon to the warning of Ezekiel 33:13 in his Apostolic warning to Believers in Romans 8:13
For IF you live after the flesh,
YOU SHALL DIE:
But if you through the Spirit do
mortify the deeds of the body,
YOU SHALL LIVE.
In every Calvinistic discussion of their self styled "golden chain" in Romans 8, it is noteworthy that they always conveniently leave out the qualifying warning of Romans 8:13.
[And make no mistake, Scripture uses conditional particles such as "IF", "IF ... THEN" (Romans 8:13, John 8:31, Hevrews 3:14) and other qualifying statements such as John 5:24 whete the present tense substantives "The hearing ones" and "believing ones" are the ones which "are having" eternal life. The converse is also true, those that turn back from hearing and following Christ lose the Holy Spirit and eternal life (1 Samuel 15:11, 22, 1 Samuel 16:14) ]
And Both Romans 8:1 (in the vast majority of Greek texts as represented in the KJV) and Romans 8:13 are qualifying statements.
The promises to the elect are only relevant inasmuch as the believer walks not after the flesh but rather through the spirit mortified the flesh.
To those who return to their old sins after having been once enlightened and made partakers of Christ and the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 3:14; 6:4) pertains the following warnings:
I will hear what God the LORD will
speak: for he will speak peace
unto HIS PEOPLE, and to HIS
SAINTS.
But let THEM not turn again to
folly. (Psalm 85:8)
But God shall wound the head of
HIS ENEMIES, and the hairy scalp
of SUCH an one as GOES ON
STILL IN HIS TRESPASSES.
(Psalm 68:21)
So we see that when God's Saints, His People return again to their former sins and to their former folly, God becomes their ENEMY.
Now the Just shall live by Faith,
But IF ANYONE draw back
my soul shall have NO PLEASURE
in him. (Hebrews 10:38)
And:
All his righteousnesses shall
NOT BE REMEMBERED'
(Ezekiel 33:13)
In the verses prior, the author to the Hebrews (10:30) quotes from Deuteronomy 32:35, the famous passage from which Jonathan Edwards preached
To me belongs VENGEANCE,
and RECOMPENSE.
THEIR FOOT SHALL SLIDE IN DUE
TIME.
For THE DAY of THEIR CALAMITY
IS AT HAND, and the things that
SHALL COME upon them MAKE
HASTE.
The author to the Hebrews knows all this and issues a severe WARNING here by alluding to this passage warning of the IMMINENT WRATH of God upon all those who return to a life after the flesh.
For we know him that hath said:
'VENGEANCE belongeth unto me,
I will RECOMPENSE',
Saith the Lord.
And again:
'The Lord shall judge his people.'
It is A FEARFUL THING TO FALL
INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING
GOD.
Hebrews 10:30-31
So to draw back from FAITH is to draw back to PERDITION (Hebrews 10:38, 39). It is for a brother in Christ to DEPART from God in an evil heart of unbelief (Hebrews 3:1, 12)
So we see that the elect cabbot be lost. And that the promises made to the elect in Romans 8:14-39 ARE QUALIFIED by the warnings in Romans 8:1 (majority text) abd especially by the qualifying warning in Romans 8:13.
What does all this mean therefore?
It means that:
MANY are CALLED ....
BUT FEW are CHOSEN
(Matthew 22:14)
Scripture is abundantly clear that where the Word is preached and understood, men BELIEVE and are SAVED. And for this very reason the devil catches away the Word from their hearts in order to prevent the efficacious work of the Gospel in the hearts of men (Luke 8:12), for the Gosoel itself is the POWER of GOD unto SALVATION (Romans 1:16)
Similarly, This Gospel, which itsekf is the power of God unto Salvation, is believed for a time by many.
The Lord himself teaches us this, using the imperfective present tense:
They on the rock are they, which,
when they hear, RECEIVE THE
WORD WITH JOY.
And these have no root,
which for a WHILE
ARE BELIEVING,
and in time of temptation
FALL AWAY.
(Luke 8:13)
Thus their Faith is described as real by the Lord and that it starts at point A and continues to point B
Thus: A ---------------> B
And it is worthy of Note, that the HOLY BROTHERS which are addressed in Hebrews 3:1, 12 are warned using the very same root verb used in Luke 8:13
Take heed, brethren, lest there be
in any of you an evil heart of
unbelief, in DEPARTING from the
living God.
"DEPARTING" and "FALLING AWAY"
in both Luke 8:13 and Hebrews 3:12 are basec on the same verb. It is possible for a truly believing Christian to fall away.
All of this points to the historic Augustinian and Apostolic Doctrine of
THE PERSEVERANCE
OF THE ELECT
The Calvinistic doctrine of the "Perseverance of the Saints" is a red herring. A sleight of hand.
Scripture teaches that of those eho come to faith purely througg the power of the Gospel, only the elect Persevere unto the end. And only the elect are truly Christ's true sheep.
Consider Saul, was nit he born of the Spirit of God when God made him into a new man and gave him both The Holy Spirit and Another Heart? (1 Samuel 10: 6, 9, 10)
Yet when Saul turned back from following the Lord, and he grieved the Spirit, The Lord took away the Holy Spirit from him (1 Samuel 16:14; Psalm 51:11, Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 3:17)
So we see that some do indeed receive God's converting Word with joy and are truly believing for a time yet later do not persevere unto the end but fall away.
Now all these things happened
unto them for EXAMPLES.
And THEY ARE WRITTEN FOR
OUR ADMONITION,
upon whom the ends of the world
are come.
(1 Corinthians 10:11)
And herein is a very strange thing. In Luke 8:13,
The Lord Himself says thatjaving received the Word with Joy, they indeed BELIEVE. And not merely that they believe , but that they re believing for a time! (And the use of the present ONGOING tense confirms this).
But calvinists say of these wjo fall away that they never truly believed, as though they knew better than the Lord! And thet tell us to believe them and to disregard the ckear teaching of the Lord.
But to that we warn:
'Cursed be the man that trusteth
in man, and maketh flesh his arm'
(Jeremiah 17:5)
What effrontery the calvinist does to the Lord and his Word!
So be warned:
'When he speaketh fair,
BELIEVE HIM NOT.
For there are seven abominations
in his heart.'
(Proverbs 26:25)
Yes, you can forsake your faith in this world while we have the choice.
Just a question. When Jesus was talking with His disciples in John 15, He said remain in me, if you don’t then your no good but for firewood (paraphrasing) that verse seems to indicate that the Apostles could lose their salvation if they opted to not remain in Jesus. Any thoughts?
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 , " Know ye not that they which run in a race all , bUt one receiveth the prize ? So run , that ye may obtain . And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things . Now they do it to obtain a corrptible crown ; but we an incorruptible . I therefore so run , not as uncertainly ; so fight I , not as one that beateth the air : But I keep under my body , and bring it into subjection : LEST THAT BY ANY MEANS , WHEN i HAVE PREACHED TO OTHERS , i MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY " . This came from the apostle Paul , who we believe was a true christian , under the blood of Jesus Christ ; if Paul can say this , why would you say that a true christian cannot lose his salvation ? This is what te Messiah said himself about being saved : Matthew 24:13 , " But he that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved " . Shalom !
They went out from among us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But it is so that it might be made manifest that they are not all of us. -1jn.2:19
You are exactly right friend. Jesus said the branches were IN HIM (verse 2) and not only but they were already clean (verse 3)! They were Christians. Dr white is lying to you. Don’t be deceived. Jesus told a story in Matthew 18:23-35 about a guy who lost his salvation. He was forgiven but because he failed to forgive others all of his forgiveness was revoked.
@@abideintheWord You write the truth friend , Jesus used parables to show that you must endure until the end ( The ten virgins and The talents in Matthew 25 ; The salt of the earth and the The light of the world in Matthew 5 ; New cloth on an old garment and new wine into old bottles in Mark 2:21-22 ; The sower in Mark 4:1-20 ) . People forget or have not read that Jesus is that prophet that Moses spoke of in Deuteronomy 18:15-19 ; The LORD thy God would put his words in his mouth of all that they desired at Horeb or Mount Sinai ; which is the ten commandments ; which was spoken , and all the statutes and judgments and covenants that Moses would get from the LORD , because the children of Israel were afraid to hear it from him . Shalom !
messenger Israel except we are no longer under the law friend. We serve in the new way of the Spirit! Peace.
GOD TELLS THE SAINTS YES .. A SAINT CAN FORFIET THEIR INHERITANCE .. A SAINT CAN LET THEIR CROWN OF LIFE BE STOLEN .. A SAINT GRAFTED IN CAN AS WELL BE BROKEN OFF .. A SAINT CAN DEPART FROM THE FAITH AND WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THRU FAITH .. GOD WARNS US NOT TO BE HIGHMINDED IN THIS ISSUE
A Christian (Saint) is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9).
So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail:
A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17, NKJV). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.
A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18-19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.
A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench.
A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises that if you believe, you will have eternal life. For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?
A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13-14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.
A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.
A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).
Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).
Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5-6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home.
Jude 1:24-25 further emphasizes the goodness and faithfulness of our Savior: To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy-to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”
GOD HIMSELF SAYS MANY WILL DEPART FROM THE FAITH AND WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ==THRU FAITH== IF ONE CHOOSES TO DEPART FOM THE FAITH THEY ARE NO LONGER SAVED ==THEU FAITH==@@Maxgigo
GOD HIMSELF SAYS MANY WILL DEPART FROM THE FAITH BUT THANKS FOR ALL THE SCRIPTURE THAT I KNOW ALREADY
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so people are either damned or saved before we're born? Very confusing
“though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-”
Romans 9:11-23 ESV
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It's only confusing if you believe people aren't born sinners or can create a new, God loving nature within themselves devoid of the power of God.
I believe His word, than God that those of us who know Him were chosen before the foundation of the world. Try that truth at the next pizza meeting at church, see how good you feel.
@BK No. Man can choose Christ. We are saved by God, but we must choose Him.
It's ALL god.
God*
Impossible, it's not up to the true Christian, it' up to our God!
Andrew Hathaway: I think the Apostle Paul disagreed with your statement. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (AKJV) "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
@@dleoburns I'm not sure what your point is? I'm in complete agreement with the Apostle Paul, moreover, as Christians, we have NO righteousness in ourselves, but that righteousness which has been imputed to us in Christ. We can ONLY enter heaven if we're "Born Again" by the Holy Spirit of God who reveals Christ to us through His word.
@@dahcargo: The Apostle Paul is saying one must be washed (baptized), sanctified (cleansed), and justified (reconciled) in order to inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (AKJV) "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." The role of the Spirit here is to seal these ordinances as the Holy Spirit of Promise. Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." 1 Peter 1:18 "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." We are born again by the "precious blood of Christ!"
The Apostle James explained that justification requires faith and also works. James 2:20 "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
@@dleoburns The same apostle Paul wrote the following (God breathed) words to Rome: Romans 8:28 and following: And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
Point being that God Himself does this work, our righteous is as "Filthy Rags". BTW, I've sinned against God in many ways spelled out in 1 Cor. 6-9 and I've been obedient to follow (as best I can in the Holy Spirit) those things also spelled out, but I trust in NONE of my works because my heart can be desperately wicked and so can yours. I trust in Jesus' death, burial, and Resurrection.
If you want the Gospel, read 1Cor.15:1-4. Read the word which is able to make you wise unto salvation and lift you up!
Andrew Hathaway: Romans 8:28 (AKJV) “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” “Point being that God Himself does this work, our righteous is as "Filthy Rags." God is the Father of our spirits. Hebrews 12:9 “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” Does God baptize anyone? No, his servants do. Does he justify (reconcile) us? No, we do by faith plus works. James 2:20 “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”
Can a true Christian deny Jesus? Then yes, a true Christian can lose their salvation. Just read the Bible and you will see the multiple warnings.
Your lifestyle of sin is the very reason that you are denying the Lord’s commandments in the gospel. It’s not literally denying the deity of Christ as God, but unknowingly living in the lifestyle of sinfulness is the same as denying the Lord of his commandments and teachings (1 Cor. 14:37).
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Such blasepemy to say Christ isnt enough :/
it seems to be.....Calvinist......
Well in orthodox theology there is something called theoegatalipsi that means god leaving man ...jesus felt it while he was crossed
This doctrine is roughly 500 years old. Say no more.
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@@snackpup I definately will go to heaven. If I don't abandon Christ
@@emilesturt3377 you only go to heaven if you believe Jesus died for your sins.
@@emilesturt3377 here is a verse to help you 2 Timothy 2:13
“If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”
@@snackpup If you believe in Jesus Christ you will walk after the Spirit. But if you say you believe and walk after the flesh, then you are condemned (Romans 8:1)
Repent and forsake your sins. TRUST in JESUS Christ and his sacrifice on the cross. There is coming a day when the LORD will judge the world in righteousness. HELL awaits all sinners INCLUDING lukewarm christians. JESUS says go and sin no more so if you loved HIM you would OBEY HIM.
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Pastor James White: John 10: 24 (AKJV) “Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” The Shepard’s (Jesus Christ) sheep are those who follow him.
1 John5:16 “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.” The sin unto death or unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Matthew 12:31 “¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
Salvation Father and the does indeed come by grace in that a plan of salvation was made for humankind by our Heavenly Savior provided the perfect sacrifice by which salvation is available.
The elect are those who have had their calling and election made sure by sanctification. 2 Peter 1:10 “Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” Hebrews 12: 23 “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.” Hebrews 2:11 “For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.”
so is one to assume that this speaker does not believe in OSAS???
once again read OSAS....???? by David Pawson....who says that there are 85 verses that refute this teaching...of OSAS....
Apostates are those who were never saved to begin with and they walk away from the faith back into the world and they condemned the blood as a bad thing. A truly saved person cannot lose their salvation. Jesus will never leave you or forsake you.
The right and historical Christian position is, yes they can.
Paganism is also "historical". Old doesn't = right.
Everyone from the children of Israel believed that salvation was conditional. Everyone during Jesus time believed salvation was conditional. Then people like Augustine and the gnostics told the lie of once saved always saved. Then during the reformation period around the 16th century the lie of once saved always saved came into greater adoption with heretics like John Calvin, Martin Luther, and by the various councils of heretical men. So the lie of once saved always saved is more of a modern phenomenon. Although it is similar to the lie that Satan told Eve: you will not die for disobedience. So this man is a devil worker. A wolf and a false teacher. Once saved always saved is lie from the pit of hell.
Lots of assertions, zero facts, zero citations from Scripture.
@@douglasmcnay644 Are you serious!?! Common Sense should tell you a teaching invented 500 years ago is not from the Holy Spirit!!! You're being wilfully ignorant.
Scripture is clear, A person's name can be removed from the book of Life Revelation 22:19 and Exodus 32:32.
Btw John Calvin, who made this doctrine, burned people alive. Are you going to follow the teachings of a man who was carnal and evil? Please think for yourself, God is not the author of evil.
Our faith is not a switch that we turn on and keep it on by proxy, it's a constant battle that we must face every day. We must turn on the switch every day.
Salvation is like the DMV where we must have all of our things in order(Faith plus acts) and pick a number, then wait in line(Living life according to the Jesus's teachings). If we leave the line(Fall back into living in sin) or don't have our things in order(Faith minus acts or visa versa) by the time our number is up(Death) we cannot get service(Salvation).
I value everyone at Apologia and the work they do but when it comes to Calvanist doctrine on salvation, It just doesn't sit right.
Dr.White's mischaracterizations of contentions to Calvanist salvation is hardly a satisfactory answer as much as it's a blanket dismissal without much scripture to justify even considering it as one. Luke 9:23 touches on this issue, if "once saved, always saved" is true then why would Jesus say "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily"? Keyword being "desires", explain to me how Calvanism can reconcile the implications of this verse?
Not only that, as this is a very small part of the issue Calvanism has, in my estimation. By far the largest issue is this, why did Jesus offer himself on the cross to forgive us of our sins if the elect are the only ones eligible for salvation? Was Jesus sacrifice merely symbolic? Is Jesus not capable of saving the un-elect? Because God already predestined our fate before time, why would he send his only begotten son to save only the few, and why was His sacrifice necessary? How can you rationalize this when you also say that Jesus saves perfectly? So, Jesus saves perfectly, but only 2% of the time? That's absolutely absurd.
I'm not trying to argue, I just don't find the answer that's given to the objection persuasive.
I am not surprised to see you mentioning good works and perseverance as necessary requirements for salvation and then at the end of your comment ask why the sacrifice of Christ is necessary. I'm really not surprised.
“So Jesus saves perfectly but only 2% of the time? That’s absolutely absurd.” You are correct sir. And that’s why Calvinism says that Jesus saves perfectly 100% of the time everyone He intended to save. So the 2% thing is *your* problem, not ours. If your assertion is that man has to cooperate for salvation to occur and be completed, then Jesus can not save perfectly and that verse is a lie.
@@sukka4pain Faith without good works can't save you. It's dead. Says so in the Bible. James 2.
@@SDRBass Jesus saves perfectly. Don't try to blame the failings of men on my King Jesus.
@@duals-growthofculture2085 I know of no Protestant who denies that. Quite the opposite, we put strong emphasis on the reality that good works are the fruits of our redemption.
The debate with Trent Horn instead of pontificating MR Whites only is more convincing. You bet your sweet ass YOU can lose your Salvation as a Christian.
@jgood3o47, it is disgusting to criticize Mr. White and again be driven by emotion or indwelling sin problem to write "You bet your sweet ASS you can loose your Salvation as a Christian.
Semantics🙄
Your eternal destiny and whether or not you can radically alter it is semantics?
@Douglas McNay Matthew 7:22-23
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22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
A Christian can lose THEIR salvation, but he can't lose HIS salvation.
The above ambiguous statement is timely for two reasons, it not only exposes the fault in the theological question, but the hypocrisy of us Christians on the gender pronoun issue!
Allow me to explain:
1) If salvation is in our hands as a possession, we not only are in danger of losing it, but are certain to lose it. That salvation is a free gift is more or less uncontroversial. We're talking here of the maintenance of this gift. If the gift is like a bouquet if flowers, it is lovely, but destined to wither. If the gift is like a house plant, it depends upon us to water it and ensure its survival. But if the gift is like a seed planted, the dynamics change completely. Everything depends on everything, what kind of seed, what kind of ground, circumstances of weather, etc and who is responsible for its growth. Now, of course, the Bible affirms this last model of salvation--in the parable of the seed/sower in Matthew 13, Mark 4, and Luke 8. Let's skip this topic, and move to the next, because there's not enough bits and bytes in the Cloud to contain all that needs to be said on this subject.
"A Christian" is a singular noun of indeterminate gender. In colloquial speech, but not standard English, we often use "their" as a singular possessive pronoun, as in the question, "Can a Christian lose their Salvation?" Not too long ago, a teacher would have corrected us, "You mean, can a Christian lose his or her salvation." The phrase "his or her" was considered correct even if cumbersome. "Their" is the possessive of "they" the third person plural pronoun. In the last few decades, "they" has become colloquially acceptable in cases of indeterminate gender for the third person singular. For example, the following dialogue could be heard and pass by with a hint of social justice arm twisting:
"There was a salesman at the door just now."
"Well what did they want?"
Back to the first point. The salvation is His, as in Christ's by virtue of his victory. He shares it with us.
Heb 3:12 ¶ Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
@@evanu6579 Brother Evan, you have put me in the uncomfortable position of having to do two things:
1. "Exhort" you to not simply quote cut and paste Bible verses which are going to be interpreted various ways and therefore diluting your witness opportunity. In other words, what's your point?
2. Feel guilty for being angry at a guy who quotes Bible verses, due to the suspicion that number 1 is possibly not valid, and I'm over-reacting.
So thanks, brother. Way to be helpful.
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It seemed self explanatory to me.
The author is speaking to brethren and warning them not to depart from God in turning to unbelief. They can be hardened through sin. They have to continue steadfast unto the end to be saved.
So these brothers in Christ can fall away.
Don’t get angry my brother ;)
@@evanu6579 It SEEMED "self explanatory." Don't be cursory with the scripture, especially hard passages. Dig a little deeper. If not for your own sake, than for the sake of God's people.
And don't give little winky emojis. You're not a fifth grade girl.
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I assumed you had reading comprehension higher than a fifth grade girl. ;)
The passage speaks for itself. You’re following a false doctrine my friend.
Time to wake up to the truth. 😘
God provides an open door to all, but most will not enter contrary to Calvinism. White preaches choice while denying it.
The truth is found in the Holy Catholic Church!!!!!!! Good luck 🤪 if you don’t realize that!!!
If by truth you mean that it's buried underneath a mountain of heresy, false teaching, and man-made traditions, then you may be correct. Lies always have a kernel of truth.
the speaker seems to be using a fallacy....of a false dillema.....
This is a false doctrine
Please explain
Juan Hernandez Juan it’s not hidden from you.
Be interested to hear why you think this. Do you read Gods word ? What he says is the gospel truth. Straight out of the bible. The truth that God breathed out. What part don’t you understand ?
Samantha Powell the Bible says let the ignorant stay ignorant too doesn’t it?
Would love to hear a discussion between you and James White on the subject. It's one of the best ways to prove the veracity of your declaration and James White's declaration.
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