Ferrari SF90 XX Stradale | HOT LAP | Hockenheim-GP | sport auto
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Car: Ferrari SF90 XX Stradale, Driver: sport auto's Test Driver Christian Gebhardt, Track: Hockenheim-GP, Laptime: 1.43,47 min, Tyre: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R K1, weight with a full tank: 1755 kg
Top10 Hockenheim-GP aptimes sport auto:
1. 1.40,8 McLaren Senna
2. 1.43,3 Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series
3. 1.43,5 Ferrari SF90 XX Stradale
3. 1.43,5 Manthey-Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR
5. 1.44,4 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992)
6. 1.44,6 Ferrari 296 GTB
7. 1.45,1 Tikt-Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro
8. 1.45,4 Porsche 911 GT3 Manthey-Kit (992)
9. 1.45,5 McLaren 720S
10. 1.45,8 Porsche 911 GT3 (992)
Den Test des Ferrari SF90 XX Stradale lest ihr in sport auto 7/2024.
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Couple things.
1. The car being an "xx" car, it should be extremely track focused, but this is 1755kg, and that is a problem.
2. 255/315 tire size for a supercar is fine, but not for a track car, and definitely not for a 1755kg trying to be track ready. It simply has too little tire for such amount of weight and power. A 510hp GT3RS has 275/335 tire size. A GT black series has 285/335 tires. A corvette Z06 is still under 1700kg, and has 275 fronts and 345 rears. The SF90xx is only a car that LOOKS like a track car, but isn't really a full on track car. It could have been so much more capable around the track. Yes the Mclaren senna has smaller tires, but it also weighs something like 500kg less. Now THATs a real track car.
Lap fake, could be much faster, it's clearly not at the car's limit! German being German!
@@MarcSob22nice excuse the reality is that the sf90 xx is almost 3900 pounds Italians overrate their weight when in reality they’re heavier 😂
@@ericship8383don’t waste your time this guy is the biggest Ferrari fanboy on earth. Look in literally any video that has the word Ferrari and you’ll find him. Whenever a Ferrari gets spanked he calls the videos fake or manipulated.
@@ericship8383 no they give weights the same way ,as for example, regulations for the GT3 , if you want the car spec for you to enter in gt3 the weight given is dry weight . Any kind of spec of any kind of motor sports quotes DRY WEIGHT! It's how much the car weights not how much the car weights with a full tank plus fluid, should the weight of the possible owner included too?? Dry weight is the only correct way of reporting cars' weights.
@@MarcSob22 Why would a German drive a British car so much quicker around this track then?
Hahah Marc Sob already called the lap fake. The guy has to be the most loyal Ferrari fanboy alive.
He is frustrated like all the other ferrari clowns😂
@@jojajo2707nobody is frustrated clown stop making your own happiness Ferrari has never said anything about it being the fastest on the track they just made it looked track car and gave it xx name Ferrari fan boys are just frustrated about that name it should have been an speciale only track focused cars deserve the xx name like Ferrari fxx evo, Ferrari fxx evolizione, Ferrari 599xx evo those kind of cars deserve the name xx no this one it's for public road while previously xx cars only for track you get my point? Nobody is frustrated about it being slower than your favourite car and I'm pretty sure it's 911 typical NPC clown favourite car🤡. Ferrari knows it's owners are never going flat out their favourite tracks except for few youtubers journalists so it's their mistake using the xx name for generating more revenue. But they really don't they have made Ferrari name so prestigious that it won't even effect their name whatsoever.
He had a stroke
Lmfao
Only 1.1s faster than the 296 GTB is a tad disappointing tbh. Interested to see how it compares around other tracks too
Yes, i expected something closer to 2s
Or... the 296gtb is a VERY good car. And it really is.
@@DonLee1980 the 296 is a bloody good car, but I was expecting more seeing as the SF90XX has almost 200hp more and more downforce and almost the same weight
@@Mostlycars888 guarantee you it does not have almost 200hp more. The 296gtb has a lot more power than advertised. it's just as fast as the 765lt and sf90 in a roll race.
@@DonLee1980 The Sport Auto issue of the 296 GTB dyno’ed around 890Nm of torque, so I think that’s like 60-70nm more than advertised. Power was around the same ballpark as claimed tho
The comments said it all. So heavy for a track car! I wonder if someday we’ll see the Aston Martin’s Valkyrie hot lap! 😎
They did, it was at Bahrain though….
AMG One is nearly the same weight despite having a small V6 and the SVJ being heavier without EV motors and batteries. Both those cars have a carbon tub unlike any SF90 variant.
@@Bug4life yet amg one completely destroys it on the track, not surprising considering it costs 2+ mil
Gt3 rs seems so fast compared. And after 4 round gt3 becomes faster
Once that battery goes limp those extra 300kg become a huge disadvantage
@@DanielSilva-fy6bohence why EVs and hybrids are trash for tracks.
@@origaminefretami3480yes which is why I hate how so many companies have happily jumped on the hybrid and ev bandwagon before figuring out the weigh, the heating, and how long they can sustain full power. I mean the ANG One Nurburgring lap was more than the batteries could manage so there was a lot of times it couldn’t be full throttle. You would think the F1 inspired power train car would have that figured out. Porsche just recently ran and released the 992.2 GTS and it was about 8 seconds faster around the Nurburgring, with an 80 pound increase I believe? Now don’t get me wrong I don’t like heavier things but for an extra 90hp it is far more efficient in power to weight than anything else out there and it gives me hope where we’ll have lightweight track EVs
@@DanielSilva-fy6bothis has a very little battery so it recharges very quickly and the car can’t go into limp mode, some people tested this car starting with zero battery level and it recharged after a couple of breaking zones. The most serious problem of this car is weight and narrow front tires that will overheat in a coupe of laps and lose any grip.
@@DanielSilva-fy6bo yeah but those are 1 lap wonders some time on track days you have to do 20-30min stint can the hybrid system handle those stint at full pace without going limp or droping off power the gt3 could do the whole 30min stint without issues i doubt the new gts could do the same.
Quite heavy, such a difference to Senna! 😮
Btw the Senna is on Trofeo R which is a slower compound than the Cup 2 R on the SF90, the Senna would be in the 1.39s or even 1.38s with the latest Trofeo RS from Pirelli
The Ferrari is insane but it just shows how even more insane the gt black series is already 3 years older than the Ferrari and still being quickier while being front engine and having 300 less horsepower than the Ferrari
Or how the GT2 is 7 years older and just as fast around the track!
Except that's the gt2rs MR@@thephenom9467
Not to mention the Senna. 😅
ハイブリッドで重いのかもしれません
GT3 RS has half of the horsepower and is just 0.9 seconds slower 😅
Very strange result in this test. On Fiorano circuit there are almost 4 seconds between sf90xx and 296 gtb, here only 1 second. I think that something got wrong...
LOL. welcome to the club. Fiorano circuit lap times are complete BS. Made up out of thin air. It has the F12 faster than the Speciale, and the 812 faster than the 488 Pista. 812 competizione faster than the 296gtb. It's complete nonsense. They will always say their mid tier super car is slower than their V12s and their top tier cars. It's a hierarchy of price, not lap times.
What a bullshit
Awesome video
Why is the suspension so soft. It hurts to see that the car named xx has no track ready stiff suspension…
Stiff suspension doesn't always mean better handling.
@@teamracing07 yes but this is just too much of a compromise between road and track use. Look at the braking, the car is all over the place…
For info : The new Mustang GTD uses 325mm wide tires in front with 345mm rubbers in the rear :)
Tolles Auto und Fahrer.Bescheidene Kameraposition.Holt Euch doch professionell e Unterstützung zu dem Thema.
Insanely fast
The amg one has a similar weight and power to the ferrari and still did 1:38.6 in this track. I'm surprised the Sf90XX is slower than the senna.
It weighs 1755kg and has very narrow front tires which overheat very quickly
Can you share the link of amg one lap
When nurburgring?
Ferrari attempted the lap record and failed miserably, I was there watching it
Strange that can’t beat the Amg Black Series and 3 sec. gap to the Senna.. The weight is the “problem”, but sure with some extra laps can cut 0.8 sec with obiusly the same driver.. We wish to see what can do on Nordshleife
Tires are the reason, the SF90 and Black Series aren’t too dissimilar in weight, and even downforce levels but the black series has 285 front and 335 rear
SF90 has 255 front which is too small, you can see it pushing mid corner. I did a side by side comparison of the laps and there’s corners were the black series is 10kph faster.
well, it means that the AMG GT BS is absolutely outstanding car
It really is. The AMG GT platform was absolutely amazing. Great driver's car, great supercar, was able to match the 911 every step of the way. Sad that the next gen has become a fat GT car
The AMG GT Black Series doesn't get much appreciation because of the V8 and its sound but in reality it's a very capable car despite being front mid engined and is very practical for daily usage. This car has beatean the 911 GT2RS on more tracks.
@@Bug4lifeAt first I was underwhelmed by the GT Black Series but now it’s gone round track I’m very impressed by it. Set a Nurburgring lap record on damp track lol. This garage princess wouldn’t do that
@@jpracing893 The AMG GT black series was developed at that track and this wasn't, so stop with the name calling!
@@Bug4life Lol why you crying about name calling a car
Love
I expected it to at least match the senna
weighs like 450-500kg more. that's quite a difference.
@@DonLee1980 200 horsepower more 400kg more too but modern and slightly wider tires
@@lovelehstuff Senna is still a benchmark. Light and great downforce. It's all you need (if you have enought power that is the case).
@@lovelehstuffthe senna has 800hp on the wheels, at the crank - close to 900, and weighs half a ton less and has much more downforce
@@coolguy_2997
False information. The Senna put 725hp to the wheels. At the crank that would be 814bhp when you factor in an 11% drivetrain loss, which is the ballpark of what a RWD mid-engine car would lose through a DCT. Not close to 900. That’s the 765LT, hence why it walks the Senna.
Funnily enough, 814bhp is what they claimed for the Senna GTR.
Extrem schnelle Schaltvorgänge
Nic'e Car'e!!!😎👌
1755kg😢 That’s the problem
The 296 is such an underdog, being the only car with no wings, no active aero, yet it's faster than a GT3, faster than a 720s and faster than other "racetrack focused" models. The SF90xx on the other hand is full of wings and what-not yet it's only 1 second faster. Really? Reality is, as someone pointed out in the comment section, the SF90 isn't a car capable on the racetrack. I speaked with Ferrari's insiders and they define the SF90 as a "dragster"... nothing more. I can't say who i spoke to due to obvious reasons... but it's a car which simply no one wants to drive.
Hybrid cars and EVs aint it on tracks, Ferrari should know that too. ICE is unbeatable king there.
EV no, but mild hybrid (non plug in hybrid) yes. The hybrid le mans cars are the proof.
AMG One Nurburgring record holder for production cars?
@@steven_taylor_ True, forgot about that one. On the other hand, thats a very VERY track focused Hybrid. And the Gt2 Rs MR isnt far behind it. But true, thats one of the exceptions in production hybrids.
@@origaminefretami3480 The only reason a GT2 RS isn't far behind because the AMG was lapped during damp conditions and wasn't pushed to its limits. Also, there's the Valkyrie and iirc it set a record lap at Bahrain.
@@steven_taylor_ True, but the Gt2 Rs still has 300hp less and is still less track focused. The Amg one is a Formula 1 car with two seats.
The time is quite competitive and as expected considering the weight and front tire size. The chassis is good but they should’ve used 275 fronts from 812 at least
exactly should have at least macth the 992 gt3rs 275 front and 335 rear for a track those tires are way to undersize for this level of power and weight it will be prone to overheat in a long track stint.
Stay on track.
Something i noticed in the video description "5. 1.44,4 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992)"
But the lap is nowhere on the channel...
Bin Ferrari Fan durch und durch, aber sicher: der SF90 XX Stradale ist recht schwer. Vermutlich vor allem wegen der Hybrid Bauweise und AWD. Der Vergleich mit dem Senna ist einerseits legitim, aber es ist klar, dass aufgrund der stark unterschiedlichen Konzepte der Gewichtsunterschied eine sehr große Rolle spielt. Dieser Ferrari ist ein Kompromiss, der Senna eher nicht. Aber welcher Hersteller kann sich auf Dauer noch den Anforderungen für ein strassenzugelassenes Fahrzeug entziehen ?
…und klingt für nen Ferrarifan (und nicht nur für diesen!) katastrophal!
Track limits?
10 second penalty for Ocon.
@@LucianPSimracing 30 second for totalling a bmw.
Who is faster Senna or SF90XX？
Hm, a second faster than a 911 GT3 RS, 3 seconds behind the Senna. No great.
Was it in qualifying mode?
Yes, it was!
*Duhh*
I guess the laptime is still fake right? I mean, let me quote you "sf90 stradale is not a track focused car"😂
It's funnyhow you look for excuses. You just can't except, that the 1000hp sf90 stradale gets beaten by many other cars with much less hp.
Get over it and stop twisting things
@@jojajo2707 It was just a simple question as many videos have shown the car was tested in performance mode. Why are you getting triggered over it? 😂
@Bug4life We all know, that accepting the truth is kind of hard for you😆
Get over it
@@jojajo2707 Did I debate anything about the lap? NO! So I don't know what you're talking about and instead you're just spreading misinformation!
Would AMG ONE and Valkyrie be faster than Senna? Or maybe some other road legal car?
AMG One did a 1.38.5 around here. There is a short video of it titles: AMG One Record drives
@@teamracing07valkyrie should inprove that by another 5 secs maybe.
@@betofernandez5524 i don't think so. If it would, it would've done it already. I said it from the beginning that the hype on how fast the Valkyrie could be, was mostly BS. If it was as fast as advertised, it would do a tour to break all lap records, but it isn't. Not even one...
@@teamracing07 That's a bs theory!
@@betofernandez5524 5 secs is hilarious maybe the street illegal AMR Pro can do that lmaoooo
Surprisingly bad sound. At least in comparison to the old models.
The usual artificial sound played in the speakers
@@seansiew5629i can assure you no Ferrari plays sound by the speakers yet.
Can't wait for the new Ferrari f250 debut...🥞
Trust me, it’s less insane. It’s very very low to the ground tho but the tyres are SO SMALL….
@@Tom_22 Source: Trust me bro 🤓☝
It seems very twitchy during low speed cornering and not very stable.
I think is the weight, also the V8 peak power like the 488 pista or v6 from 296 gtb come a bit aggressive so he have to “correct” with steering
@@mrchampagneracer yep, it seems like its an optimization issue between the AWD-EV motor and ICE engine. The car seems hard to predict/control during braking and corner exit. Steering is probably dead too. Its too fast in the straights and too heavy with not enough aero and tires that are too small.
It's heavy and has skinny tires 255/315
WHAT HAPPENED TO SHAME?!
You cant put a rocket ship in the back with that type of Weight a car with 200hp less gonna do better times... The level of downforce this car have its a shame for XX program
The AMG one is 5 seconds faster with similar weight and power something is up
@@lovelehstuff AMG have much more downforce... A LOT MORE
GT BS i faster and it weighs 1545 kg and Ferrari is 1560 kg.
@@amirsadi9540 Ferrari is almost 1800 kg with full tank
@@amirsadi9540 1560kg... is with no battery, no fuel, no coolant, no NOTHING. It's Italy's way of "cheating" dumb customers into thinking their cars are light. The car here is 1755kg.
In Cabin Sound is so poor for such a high-end Ferrari. Sad to hear this really. Every GT4 RS or GT3 sounds so much better.
Car seems so nervous on turn in low speed corners. Keep the batteries away from the track cars, hybrids and EVs are for commuter cars
no glove 😮
I AM ITALIAN I AM A FERRARI FAN
You brake early and then push the gas before the apex in every corner
heavy car, lowish downforce, so driving style has to be stop and go, rather than carrying speed through the corners
russisches Kennzeichen?
Sehr russisch❗️❗️❗️ Der Russe fährt Ferrari und der Deutsche Dacia. Genau mein Humor.
Mal abgesehen davon.
DER WAGEN KLINGT KATASTROPHAL!🫣
@@AndreasPatzwahl was redest du?
Direkt Ferrari und den Fahrer und den CZcams Channel dafür cancelm ! 😂😂
@@Wendigo1986 das war nicht meine Aussage. Wie bekommt man den in der heutigen Zeit hier her und wieder zurück. Muss doch Hölle mit dem Zoll sein
@@huddi85 Geld regelt alles :-)
What a bloater.
..ich nehm‘ ihn trotzdem, wenn ihn keiner haben will 😅
Turn 1… 🚩Track Limits…
It’s way too heavy that’s the problem
It's a joke this is an XX car. Doesn't even run a carbon monocoque. Just a street car but more expensive and you have to buy 10 cars you don't want first only to be 22 Sec a lap slower than a Spierling! Haha!
Dude; the images should be reversed. The road view should the primary. The car’s the star.
I understand why senna is seconds faster.....but the GT BS 2 tenths faster is confusuing.....this SF90 has something wrong with it
too heavy, not enough tire, and not enough downforce. The GT BS has less weight, more downforce, and wider tires.
Yeah, there is something wrong with it. It's 1755kg. More weight = less tire grip and less effect of the aero.
@@test987665 just realized how heavy, but still the difference in power isn't translating to a big enough speed delta on the straight and neither in the acceleration zones.
So I guess tires are the limiting factor
@@petersafwat8228 The power to weight for both cars is fairly similar (slightly higher on the Senna, actually) - so no reason for there to be a big delta on the straights. The SF90 has advantage out of corners because of AWD, but the Senna corners faster, so it has a higher speed at the corner exit to begin with, and the SF90 has to catch up.
3s slower than the 6-year-old Senna. Keep building luxury SUVs, Ferrari.
Do you have any idea what the Senna is?
@@Bug4life it is a faster car than the XX.
@@zaphod2 It's a road legal track car!
@@Bug4life Do you have any idea what the XX is?
@@zaphod2 it is a car for everyday use :D LOL
E bellissima ma penso che gomme e cerchi sono un po piccoli... qualcosa di più estremo ... se pista deve essere da pista.. magari anche monodado visto che dalla La Ferrari sono spariti i mozzi 😢😢😢
Not surprising, too heavy, small tire width and not enough aero. Understeers like a pig compared to the Senna, AMG BS and GT2RS. But Ferrari fanboys will cry hard in these comments about their fake XX product.
The new Mustang GTD uses 325mm wide tires in front with 345mm rubbers in the rear :)
@@coolguy_2997 yup, insane. It’s going to be really fast for sure. Hopefully it can match the other three.
Ist echt eine lächerliche Zeit für über 1000 ps und stradale usw..
Wartet wenn der 992 gt2rs kommt, der wird alles in Grund und Boden fahren..😉 selbst der 992 Gt3rs ist ja mit der Hälfte an Leistung fast genauso schnell.😊
Disappointing for Ferrari called track focused car. I really think SF90 Assetto Fiorano only less than 1 second slower. Or maybe get same time on this track.
Take a look at Mclaren Senna and AMG black series video. Sf90xx lose 10 km/h at high speed corner, not enough downforce. Mechanical grip just about the same, thanks to its smart AWD, but still not good enough.
less than a second faster than a 518hp (525 PS) GT3 RS :D
I’m more than sure that this car can do a much better lap time, with a different good driver. I’m not saying Christian Gebhardt is a good driver, is an excelent driver, but is a German driver, and I’m 100% convinced he didn’t want to do a better lap time with Ferrari sf90 xx. Why ??? Because like I said is German and it was a bit or more painful for him to see Ferrari sf90 xx doing a better lap time than Mercedes AMG GT black series. Why on other track circuits, cars with a lower performance than Ferrari sf90 xx, having almost the same lap like Mercedes AMG GT black series or even better 😮 This car car can do with any doubt on this track 1.40 or even under.
Too heavy, too small tires and not enough aero. Not surprising this car isn’t fast, but sure it’s driver right🤣
Serve una pista vera,grande e veloce per far valere ol potenziale di questa macchina,cv ed aerodinamica, questa pista è stretta e lenta, una 296 base va quasi uguale.
Sorry, aber beim Zusehen kamen bei mir keinerlei Emotionen auf. So ein Track Car muss brüllen, vonUndersteer zu Oversteer wechseln, Arbeit am Lenkrad erfordern, den ganzen Mann eben. Da ist mir ein F40 tausend mal lieber.....
It’s fast but ugly imo and doesn’t sound great. Def prefer the 296
255 front seem way to small. Running wide a lot, Porsche and Mercedes run 275/285 fronts for a reason and they set lap records. Could’ve been so much more.
The new Mustang GTD uses 325mm wide tires in front with 345mm rubbers in the rear :)
@@coolguy_2997 Well hopefully it does well with all that rubber if not. Kinda a failure but we shall see it looks good
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Hier, kriegst 'n Keks 🍪
Ein Held ist unter uns 🤷♂️
Wow ich war selten beeindruckter......
Hard to believe it’s less then a second faster then the 296 GTB
Wish Ferrari’s weren’t so damn ugly these days.
Irgendwas stimmt da nicht, vielleicht sollte sich Sport Auto mal äußern. Ein 296 GTB mit deutlich weniger Leistung und fast dem selben Gewicht und viel weniger Abtrieb ist kaum langsamer. Das heißt ja das ein Standard SF90 langsamer ist als ein 296 und 488 Pista. 😮
der Standard SF90 wird schneller sein als der XX, dass ist eher meine Vermutung. Der SF90 hat auf fast jeder Strecke die er gefahren ist als schnellster abgeschnitten. Ich denke eher das der XX genau wie der STO von Lambo ein absoluter Reinfall ist. Angeblich gibt es ja vom XX eine Nordschleifen-Zeit. Ob wir diese je sehen werden? Wohl eher nein.....
@@michaels.44 Es gibt ein Video wo Marcus Soujon den 296 GTB mit dem SF 90 Stradale vergleicht. Er sagt ganz klar, dass der 296 eher für die Rennstrecke gemacht ist, während der SF 90 eher zum schnell geradeaus fahren geeignet ist. Deine Vermutung stimmt also nicht.
@@MegaTassadar dann schau dir bitte die Rundenzeiten bei Fasteslaps an. Da ist der SF90 überall schneller. Aber der 296 GTB ist auf jeden Fall ein Monster!!!
@@michaels.44 Bei Fastestlaps bin ich eher skeptisch. Wird schon seinen Grund haben wenn Ferrari den Autotestern nicht erlaubt den SF90 auf der Rennstrecke zu testen. Für mich gehört der SF90 Stradale eher in die Kategorie 812 Superfast oder LaFerrari, während der 296 GTB eher Richtung 488 Pista oder 458 Speciale geht.
@@MegaTassadar der Radstand ist deutlich länger beim SF90 das könnte ein Nachteil in Hockenheim sein. Dennoch wird sich zeigen ob das Auto wirklich was kann, wenn die Zeit von der Nordschleife kommt. Wenn es keine Zeit geben wird, dann wissen wir alle warum.
Slower than GT black series? Seriously?
Goes to show how good the GT Black Series is
Poser car, not a track car
Lap fake, could be much faster, it's clearly not at the car's limit! German being German!
ok
Fanboy being fanboy
Go learn some physics, kid!
Ferrari being Ferrari advertising track cars that don’t perform😴
Out lap!