Steve Vai on the Roadmap to Healthy Living | Glow Living by Chandra Lynn

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  • čas přidán 12. 04. 2017
  • Guitar great Steve Vai opens up to Glow Living's Chandra Lynn about overcoming depression and embracing a healthy lifestyle of spirituality, vegetarianism, physical fitness, monogamy, and more.
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Komentáře • 260

  • @gdomeier
    @gdomeier Před 7 lety +122

    "Your negative thoughts need food, and that food is your belief in them."

  • @StrongPROGress
    @StrongPROGress Před 7 lety +78

    Been a fan of Steve since 1990. I never knew he went through such a dark time. I stumbled upon this at a very important time in my life. Thank you!

    • @AstorSkywalker
      @AstorSkywalker Před 6 lety +1

      I always wondered how he got to be so emotional on his playing, I suppose it could only come from been on a sad side, or angry o depressed. But he can channel it in a positive way like few can. Great to know he is also human

    • @jasongood4172
      @jasongood4172 Před 6 lety +2

      Good brother from a different Mother..so cool how your inner being lined you up with inspiration. I never knew this either, I think we sometimes forget that these amazingly tapped in talented artists are just fellow human beings experiencing so much of the ebbs and flows like all of us in life. This is another example that we truly are all connected.

    • @lunarlight3131
      @lunarlight3131 Před rokem

      most musicians suffer from depression

  • @joanofarcxxi
    @joanofarcxxi Před 5 lety +13

    I love this man. He is so multilayered.

  • @TheStudioexpresso
    @TheStudioexpresso Před 7 lety +65

    Like all good musicians, Steve Vai is a truth seeker. He brings wisdom to his art and that's why he's magnificent. Thank you Ms Chandra for this fabulous interview!

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety

      TheStudioexpresso Thank you Claris!!! 💜

  • @scowlfarm3061
    @scowlfarm3061 Před 7 lety +13

    It was through Steve that I was turned on to the writings of U.S. Andersen. I can't begin to tell you how much that book has changed my life. I was at one point a severely depressed drug addict. Now I'm getting ready to take a state certification test to work with and help other drug addicts find their liberation from addiction. We truly can overcome any adversity that life places in our path in life.

  • @hesch-tag
    @hesch-tag Před 6 lety +40

    I like that he isn't preaching but just says it works for him.

    • @pauricboylan11
      @pauricboylan11 Před 3 lety

      Agree Brother!😎

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero Před 3 lety

      What do you mean by 'it?'

    • @hesch-tag
      @hesch-tag Před 3 lety

      @@Fearzero I don't remember but it refers to whatever he does to make himself feel good about himself. (being a vegetarian for one, excercising). The fact that he says it works for him, not that we all should live like him. He is telling, not preaching.

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero Před 3 lety

      @@hesch-tag Some things do need to be preached, particularly if the choices made by those preached are causing great harm to others and the planet.

    • @hesch-tag
      @hesch-tag Před 3 lety +1

      @@Fearzero You have a point there. A very good one at that.

  • @jeremybnz
    @jeremybnz Před 7 lety +15

    So great to have people I look up to talking about issues that many of us face, it really helps :)

  • @jonesfactor9
    @jonesfactor9 Před 4 lety +4

    Steve is so grounded, genuine and a truly nice guy

  • @kelleychilton2524
    @kelleychilton2524 Před 2 lety +2

    For nearly 40 years I've known Steve Vai as a great talent, now I also see that he's a great human being. Nice to see that he's doing well.

  • @Whiskey04
    @Whiskey04 Před 7 lety +11

    Heard Steve Vai was a deep thinker so it's nice to see it manifest in this video

  • @saralowe_arts
    @saralowe_arts Před 4 lety +2

    He’s such a beautiful person.

  • @adamswitlak1242
    @adamswitlak1242 Před 7 lety +16

    I feel guilty. Years ago I was thinking Steve is virtuoso of the guitar, but with no inner light. I was blind. Sorry Steve.
    Thanx for posting.

  • @Bodyknowledge77
    @Bodyknowledge77 Před 7 lety +55

    This is certainly an enlightening conversation that resonates with me as an artistic human who has suffered emotionally at times in my life.

  • @LarsBauer74
    @LarsBauer74 Před 7 lety +1

    wow! thank you so much for this video/interview. I'm a huge fan of Steve Vai, he is one of my favorite guitar players and I love his music and playing. Yet, I still enjoy him talking at least as much as listening to his music. He is such a well-spoken and inspiring man, someone to really look up to, not only for his musicianship but IMO even more so for his personality.

  • @Mongoosemcqueen
    @Mongoosemcqueen Před 6 lety +2

    I love Steve so much, he's written so much beautiful, powerful music that I've listened to over the years.

  • @michaelvaladez6570
    @michaelvaladez6570 Před 2 lety +1

    Bravo for Steve Vai for talking about his private life .I lost a godson due to bipolar, he took his own life.Stigmatism he did not want anyone to know.Of course I was deeply shocked to this day.So for this famous musician to openly talk about this is really good for everyone regardless if they are in state of depression or not.Who would think he as such who had everything at his finger tips be going through this.Thank you for posting this interview. Most beneficial to everyone.

  • @jeffsheridan9910
    @jeffsheridan9910 Před 3 lety +1

    What a neat guy. So grounded and introspective. Such great humility and openness and honesty.

  • @thebalance6869
    @thebalance6869 Před 6 lety +1

    I will watch this over and over again from now on! Thank You Mr. Vai for connecting with us all. It's very helpful :)

  • @Marcin79W
    @Marcin79W Před 3 lety +2

    It's amazing how many people think artists have perfect life, while they struggle like everybody else.

  • @golagaz
    @golagaz Před 4 lety

    Bless you, Steve. You are a unique artist. Be well with good health. We love you.

  • @HildaDuncan-bz3mg
    @HildaDuncan-bz3mg Před rokem +1

    I think it's Excellent! how Steve Val explains all to do with negative thoughts and not to give them power.

    • @HildaDuncan-bz3mg
      @HildaDuncan-bz3mg Před rokem +1

      Also the first time I've heard of him, I will keep watching, I'm a fan.

  • @JohnSmithiuyytw
    @JohnSmithiuyytw Před 3 lety +1

    Great to see someone with such a high profile being fearlessly honest and sharing.
    It really spoke to me and resonated with my own experiences, learning and development.
    The real sticky part for me is remembering that attitude, that openness, centre and aplocation of loving non attachment.
    I spend time there then slowly forget and suddenly I'm in a different universe of negative thoughts, negative attachment and I appear to be a long way from home.
    This video serves as a great reminder, seemingly out of the blue, which is why people sharing, often, is so important.
    It reminds us to be where we really are and who we really are.

  • @madastrota
    @madastrota Před 6 lety

    Steve Vai has been a constant source of inspiration for me ever since I was a teenage six-string acolyte. But it's especially meaningful for me to hear him open up about depression like this because there was a critical moment many years ago when I was in the throes of depression and on the precipice of suicide, and I was given a free ticket to a show that he was part of. He only played one 45 minute set but, in those 45 minutes, my life was completely transformed by the energy that he transmitted. It is absolutely the most amazing thing I've ever experienced. When I walked into the venue that night I was feeling the lowest I had ever been and hadn't smiled in weeks. By the time I left I was in the best mood of my life and smiling uncontrollably! And my entire perspective had shifted radically so it didn't just leave me feeling good for one night, I was in an amazing mood for quite a long time after that and my motivation to thrive had taken off!
    It is my hope that I'll someday get the opportunity to thank him personally for saving my life.

  • @safelyanonymous5717
    @safelyanonymous5717 Před 4 lety

    could listen to this man for hours; truly a man of profound insights

  • @stevem.1417
    @stevem.1417 Před 4 lety

    What I don't want-responding to society or outside forces trying to get you to conform to what you don't really believe in. Finding out What I want-standing on your own truth regardless of any outside influence, be it people or books. The inner realization is called Gnosis. Great insight into the 'dark night of the soul'.

  • @Incognitofrito1
    @Incognitofrito1 Před 7 lety +6

    Great video and I love his points starting at 9:41 about negative thinking. Very inspirational!

  • @windfarm9
    @windfarm9 Před 7 lety +2

    Thanks a million steve that makes alot of sense. thanks for your effort

  • @MercuryTwins7879
    @MercuryTwins7879 Před 6 lety +1

    He is for sure, a really nice being with high consciousness. Good words M.Vai

  • @hearpalhere
    @hearpalhere Před 3 lety

    This was very enjoyable hearing about his struggles and sharing his insights. Thank you for posting this video!

  • @JohnHenrySheridan
    @JohnHenrySheridan Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome!! Thank you to everyone who contributed to this interview coming into being!

  • @wassamattaboy
    @wassamattaboy Před 6 lety

    Thank you both for this interview. It is wonderful.

  • @jc3teacher265
    @jc3teacher265 Před 6 lety

    I like your channel! Steve Vai is awesome! Thanks for posting!

  • @rationalmuscle
    @rationalmuscle Před 7 lety +1

    Nice interview with one of the all-time greats. Thanks for posting.

  • @LastOfTheMaguas
    @LastOfTheMaguas Před 6 lety

    Many years ago i went out with a girl who also went out with Vai, pretty much near the same time. Yet i think he was touring with Roth etc at the time so i luckily got to spend time with her while he was travelling. She was gorgeous of course, young and thin with one of those perfect faces. We made out several times, she was a friend back then and i was good looking and young. Now i wonder if she ever sees Vai, certainly she'd be more interested in him success wise and not me - i'm still 'poor' though i still live a good fun life near the beach and i'm free. God bless my youth, i'd totally forgotten about her till i watched this and heard Vai talking it suddenly came back to me.

  • @Somewhere-in
    @Somewhere-in Před 7 lety +3

    Vai always postures with his hands very artistically.

  • @higainamp
    @higainamp Před 7 lety +24

    This has to be the best interviews of Steve Vai ever. Great interview on a human level vs the fluff generic interviews that we usually get to see. Awesome Job!! Very inspiring interview and the interview truly represents your youtube title.. fantastic!!

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety +1

      higainamp thank you for the awesome feedback! I will share this with Steve!

  • @diegoambrosio9121
    @diegoambrosio9121 Před 2 lety

    A master not only of guitar!
    Thank you, Steve.
    Regards

  • @giuseppemare
    @giuseppemare Před 7 lety +1

    He took the virtuosity of the guitar and then used that to be a better human being. I noticed that at the pre show and now here. Thanks Steve.

  • @unabonger777
    @unabonger777 Před 6 lety

    he demonstrated some wisdom there at the last minute. I'm glad he was able to convey it.

  • @eddieneal9920
    @eddieneal9920 Před 5 lety

    Vai is a great person in my book. Hes definitely got the "Universe" on his side. Glad he made it through that rough period. People with destiny on thier side always do. Then you have the ones like me...

  • @loganwalker7546
    @loganwalker7546 Před 6 lety

    This is great. Great enlightening interview with 1 of the all time greats.

  • @timematters800
    @timematters800 Před 3 lety

    Such an inspirational talk with a true legend THANKYOU

  • @twiggyb67
    @twiggyb67 Před 2 lety

    I am glad to hear Steve open up like this. Depression was who i was in my youth. A horrid way to "live". I don`t know how .but i came upon the thought that to have peace....Which is what we all want.....Is to give peace. I became Vegan 32 years ago. Depression fear and anxiety has catalysts but also is rooted in our body chemistry. I found that removed me from my depression and my anxiety when i went vegan, I am sure much from body chemistry ,But also because of my newfound perspective in life...I was giving peace....and found it in return. My body transformed physically as well. One becomes more powerful and a mind of clarity when actually living peacefully and expressing that to other beings. They want peace like we do.

  • @davidsummerville351
    @davidsummerville351 Před 7 lety +1

    Great interview. Thanks so much.

  • @tonyparsons2724
    @tonyparsons2724 Před 6 lety

    Thanks Steve, I love the picture of a 'back door' into your mind, that is such an insight into so many things from pride to problems that affect so many innocent people, you could write a song about that, a pop song to hit a larger part of society especially kids. Thanks again Tony. Ps I absolutely drool at the Music Zoo stint just before your interview with Alan Aledort, whoa whee awesome playing.

  • @samuelxander
    @samuelxander Před 7 lety +3

    She's so warm, love it

  • @rockrebelitalia6269
    @rockrebelitalia6269 Před 6 lety

    Oh my god! Thank you Steve!

  • @Mmsmickey
    @Mmsmickey Před 3 lety

    I love watching this interview, The audio is pretty good aswell

  • @3340steve
    @3340steve Před 3 lety

    Thank you for your message Mr. Vai.

  • @youcdtube
    @youcdtube Před 6 lety

    Thank you Steve. Truth is good.

  • @karimba45
    @karimba45 Před 6 lety

    Steve Vai is such an advanced soul. He speaks from a perspective of having and it all but that’s not the driving force. Talented though he is, his humanity is what impresses me. Also learned a new thing that he’s a vegetarian. Great interview.

  • @fridaymiles
    @fridaymiles Před 7 lety +1

    Fantastic. THANKS!!!!

  • @andyreasoner5289
    @andyreasoner5289 Před 7 lety +6

    Many of great musicians, especially rock stars lost their creativity, wasted their talent, even life due to bad habits, lack of morality etc. Steve seems to be more intellectually oriented and aware that music is 1st for him, not drugs and so on. It's and illusion that drugs, alcohol, "easy&cool life" increases creativity - when you hear your "creativity" of singing or playing something the very next day being "healthy" you see it was not technically precise, without timing etc. As usual, very interesting interview with Steve, btw he has many almost philosophical insights.

  • @Somewhere-in
    @Somewhere-in Před 7 lety +12

    DLR contributes to the great Vai's health. Well played, Dave.

  • @MusicwithPaolo
    @MusicwithPaolo Před 3 lety

    Thank you Steve!

  • @karlstromvall4319
    @karlstromvall4319 Před 6 lety

    Thanks Steve, what you said works on many levels, many creative pursuits. Not just guitar players, but artists across the board.
    But it still would be cool to be a rockstar for 15 minutes. Nope, forgettaboutit. take it back. Happy to enjoy porch playing with the neighbors.
    So, little voice in my head says, keep working wood. Bring joy to people for producing best quality I can. An instrument, a piece of furniture, volunteer to build a tiny house for homeless.
    We are here to do what we do. Unless we can make a change for an even higher calling. what might it be?

  • @gregboboski9904
    @gregboboski9904 Před 7 lety

    Yes , many people are trying to build a business or a living.... but ones with a positive message are ......Positive! thanks

  • @1Ma9iN8tive
    @1Ma9iN8tive Před 6 lety

    I was so depressed when Steve Vai came to my home town I couldn't go ... I hear this clear and loud ... I am - I want - I will...

  • @allenrobinson8928
    @allenrobinson8928 Před 6 lety

    I heard a similar interview done by a SEAL officer. Maybe more of a motivational presentation, but this reminded me of his lecture.

  • @einarabelc5
    @einarabelc5 Před 7 lety +2

    Would it be weird to acknowledge that I "felt" everything he's talking about the first time I heard For the Love of God? Here I am 15 years later, on the same path he talks about, and I had no idea it was going to be like this, but I'm glad. Please post the whole thing when you have a chance, even the parts that are not so focused. I would be very grateful.

  • @justincosgrove2864
    @justincosgrove2864 Před 7 lety +1

    Steve is a model human being as far as I'm concerned... He has such a wonderful energy about him and he's very entertaining to listen to. Very comforting Inflections in his voice with which he carries much wisdom and knowledge. He was an inspiration to me 25 some odd years ago and I'm finding new inspiration in him in these present times. A truly remarkable human being. I hope to be a real life friend of his one day. And maybe, just maybe... The universe can assist in that!
    Thank you Chandra and Steve! I'm very thankful to have stumbled on these videos right now for multiple reasons. Thank you for being in service to humanity!

  • @ivocaponio4797
    @ivocaponio4797 Před 6 lety

    Wow, thanks for putting this out in that beautiful way, really nicely explained end expressed. Love, Peace, Freedom

  • @MrPeteroud
    @MrPeteroud Před 6 lety +1

    the more that sorrow carves into your sole the more joy it can contain.

  • @hassammahmoodq
    @hassammahmoodq Před 7 lety

    this interviewer ... is GLOWING.beautiful person inside out .

  • @jsagala.guitar
    @jsagala.guitar Před 6 lety

    wonderful discussion. Thanks Steve.

  • @RickGtr271
    @RickGtr271 Před 7 lety +15

    I could listen to these types of conversations all day! Love the content here on Glow Living's channel. Hope to see more videos!

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety +2

      Have you watched the other 3 videos I posted with Steve?

    • @RickGtr271
      @RickGtr271 Před 7 lety +1

      I have and plan to watch again. What he is saying is something to be studied. I'll be looking forward for more videos on this type of information from anybody that has applied it to their lives. I am currently reading a lot of books on Buddhism, Stoicism and other philosophy.

  • @ArnoGoldfinger
    @ArnoGoldfinger Před 5 lety

    He's been a very interesting role model for hundreds of thousands of guitarists and musicians (lol!) for 30 years now. His guitar workouts and attitude to practice have given me a way to find a bit of peace in tough times. Vegetarianism is something I am considering - a way to live in harmony with the universe according to natural law.

  • @andym28
    @andym28 Před 6 lety

    My grandmother has a saying "Were aw jock tamsons bairns" which is Scottish slang for "were all gods children". I looked at the cover of passion and warfare and though this guy is like a God to me I'd never get close. Now after the internet in a way a lot mystery in the world has been removed which is good and also bad. It does make you feel very differently about all being equal which makes me content.

  • @deasnutz4ever
    @deasnutz4ever Před 5 lety

    Vai is a wise dude, always interesting to hear him speak.

  • @vedder10
    @vedder10 Před 6 lety

    Really fantastic interview and a ​great interviewer.

  • @MrCannedguds
    @MrCannedguds Před 7 lety +2

    It's really nice to know that Mr. Vai is now also into healthy living! Like me, I also had some demons inside years ago and almost drowned in a sea of vices. Steve is my ultimate guitar hero! Thanks for sharing this, Chandra Lynn! Will be watching more of your videos!

    • @MrCannedguds
      @MrCannedguds Před 7 lety +1

      Woah! Also nice to know he's into running now!

  • @MeJustinRichard
    @MeJustinRichard Před 7 lety

    Good job! I like that! Badass healthy rockstars!

  • @djas1840
    @djas1840 Před 6 lety

    Thank You! Right On!

  • @Vestu
    @Vestu Před 7 lety +9

    Liked especially the part about when you don't feed the negative thinking momentum, it dissolves and leaves an opening. I recognize this because it happened to me in my struggle with deep depression. Once you learn how to not give power to that momentum of negativity, you can always be on top of your condition even when things get momentarily gloomy every now and then.
    Can't wait to see your future content. Any hints on what's in store? :)

  • @dmurr4330
    @dmurr4330 Před 4 lety

    I just bought both books. Let the healing begin!

  • @Bildi7v
    @Bildi7v Před 7 lety +1

    This is coming at a moment in my life when I'm just starting the journey of turning a major corner.... very, very helpful, thank you both :)

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety

      So happy to hear it's supporting you. Please make sure to check out the other videos from Steve and others on my channel. 😊

  • @amsedelm
    @amsedelm Před 6 lety

    Nice. Really nice. Steve is the man. And she actually let him talk. Not like alot of other interviewers. 8)))

  • @ronniethomas6335
    @ronniethomas6335 Před 5 lety

    This is a great interview!

  • @drummerjeroensimons
    @drummerjeroensimons Před 6 lety

    Steve Vai inspires me as a person/drummer to become better every day at everything....Thanks Steve!!!! I,ve read deep books for 18 years, but knowledge is the tip of the Iceberg still....:)

  • @jasondownsnet
    @jasondownsnet Před 6 lety

    Great unique interview. Good job.

  • @Azjedi13
    @Azjedi13 Před 7 lety +1

    awesome!!!! thank's for that

  • @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
    @AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE Před 7 lety

    Great interview, Steve is definitely one of the most switched on people in music... along with guys like Sting, and Roland Orzabal from Tears for Fears... thanks!

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety +1

      I'd love to interview those guys too one day!

  • @chrisfaraday3924
    @chrisfaraday3924 Před 3 lety

    Steve via is my guru, I never new he played guitar

  • @solosisas1764
    @solosisas1764 Před 6 lety

    WOOOOOW THANKS!!!

  • @danniehenriksen1116
    @danniehenriksen1116 Před 6 lety

    Wow. What a great interwiev 👍

  • @DaveInLAS
    @DaveInLAS Před 4 lety +1

    The Bodhi Tree, what an amazing place!

  • @syedmehedihasan2057
    @syedmehedihasan2057 Před 7 lety +18

    Greetings from Bangladesh. Very good interview. Steve is inspirational and the interviewer is very intelligent.

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety +1

      Thank you so much! Please subscribe and share.

  • @j_freed
    @j_freed Před 7 lety +5

    2:38 Swami Vishnu-Devananada and Swami Sivananda are amazing. There are Sivanada Yoga Vedanta centers across parts of the world. Sometimes people need something and their soul asks for it and it finds them.

  • @simonedean2005
    @simonedean2005 Před 3 lety +1

    best interviewer well done

  • @rockymountainrocker5630

    Deep suffering led me back as well.. I surrendered the same way and prayed for truth. I totally agree with your choices.. wish I could go vegetarian but don't know that I actually will ;) I'm on board with everything else! The book that first changed me was Power vs Force.
    Cheers

  • @dgcmusi
    @dgcmusi Před 6 lety

    Fantastic interview...I learned a lot...

  • @BledsoeBluvd
    @BledsoeBluvd Před rokem

    This is good stuff, good interview.

  • @AmritaMandala
    @AmritaMandala Před 5 lety

    This interview is just a scratch when it comes to Steve's spiritual side. Find a book online called Zen of Steve Vai. It was blessed by Steve himself. The author has collected all these quotes from him throughout the years into the same document where he discusses spirituality and meditation in detail.
    Steve mentions this side of him and his art, all the time, literally, but the vast majority of his fans just focus on his playing technique and guitar technology. He has made it clear that spirituality always was more central to his music than technicalities, although they of course have a role. Any great composer or musician tells you that, though not all of them systematically meditate in their daily life, like Steve does.
    I remember once, in his master class, he started answering to someone's question about his way of creating music. He quickly went to receptivity, presence and spirituality again, and lead people to sit quitly in meditation for half a minute. The whole auditorium of 500 people sat there quietly for that amount of time. And the moment it stopped, people started asking about his pedals again...
    Thanks for Glow Living for this short interview and hope that other interviewers really start asking him question about his actual spritual practices, so that all those millions of people who want to become as good as Steve, realise that there is this whole different aspect to music and creativity that music schools never talk about.

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 5 lety

      Open Heart.fi Thanks for your message! There are five videos posted on my channel from this interview so far. The whole thing was around an hour and a half and needs to be edited. If people are interested, I will add it to my priority list and find some help. 😘

  • @mdsapro
    @mdsapro Před 6 lety

    Wow! That`s.... i mean, thanks Steve, great conversation about to find yourself in the Universe, not to be going crazy especially in this cruel world. And not even personally but globally.

  • @jwood5150
    @jwood5150 Před 7 lety +1

    Loved this, subscribed :)

  • @thegroovegroup51
    @thegroovegroup51 Před 7 lety +2

    Very inspiring interview. ;) And God sure took his time creating you. :)

  • @gaae2000
    @gaae2000 Před 2 lety +1

    I started with The Key Master book, then Eckart Tolle's book.

  • @chriswatson8894
    @chriswatson8894 Před 6 lety

    Never knew...can only wish you a happy life

  • @bobbywhiskey
    @bobbywhiskey Před 7 lety +5

    Long live to a real King ... damn !!!!!

  • @starblaster77
    @starblaster77 Před 7 lety +6

    Great video and info. I've always been inspired by steve would love to hear more about how he took that darkness and took to create beautiful music and kept himself out of the darkness.

    • @Glowliving
      @Glowliving  Před 7 lety

      Thank you! Did you watch this one? czcams.com/video/RTKxXlxDsPo/video.html

    • @StevenSiroVai1
      @StevenSiroVai1 Před 4 lety

      When you see that the darkness is just a thought in your head and is actually an illusion, tha'ts what keeps you out of it. It doesn't attract you once you discover peace.