Is the 40 MPH Apollo Pro Actually Worth $4000?
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2023
- The new Apollo Pro is one of the coolest new electric scooters of the year, but its price tag has scooter nerds around the world debating: is it worth its $4000 price tag? Find out in this video and check out Rider Guide's in-depth review down below:
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My biggest issue with it is actually not even speed/accel as 44mph is more than enough, but for that price, it really should have bigger battery.
True😊😊
I will be getting mine next month. If this scooter really feels as solid as all these reviewers are indicating. I would say it's well worth it to have a high feature content, very capable, vehicle grade scooter!
The day has come and passed... speed is definitely an exhilaration issue that most of us really want. I thought he said 40 mph not 44. The real issue is where can you go 85 kph on a trail, can't go on the road It's not legal yet here. Sorry I still live with the stigma, it can only go that fast, which kind of sucks. Just good cuz it goes 100 kph, it's nice knowing you can, doesn't mean you will. Heck now we're talking about Walmart speed kiddie scooters.
The Apollo Pro is the Mac of the scooter world. It's a luxury performance scooter targeting those that want an extremely well built, low maintenance scooter with all the frills. They are planning on lower cost models with less frills later in the year. I don't think the Apollo Pro was never meant to compete with the hyper scooters, it has the performance of a performance scooter and the cost of a hyper scooter.
Depending on the build , cells ,and materials
The first thing you should look at with the scooter isn’t speed or distance, it’s the manufacturer. If you’ve done some googling, you’ll notice apollo has terrible quality control and customer service to match. I really hope they step it up because they have some great ideas but it is NOT worth the hassle until they fix some stuff, trust me.
nice work Mitchel! Like how you changed your perspective here after riding it for a couple of weeks. Apollo definitely aren't affraid to do things a little differently (ie. the drum brakes), and it sounds like they have really done their homework with this model - following your feedback.
A lot of people are calling this a 4k piece of junk, but here is what you may be missing.
-A great Indiegogo promo for $ off and bonus perks for first 300 backers (still available) for a tool bag, 4 amp charger, and 6 months of sim card theft protection,
-Larger circumference wheels have better high speed and coasting performance. Takes less energy to maintain top speed, will maintain kinetic energy longer than smaller wheels. Cons are more inefficient at constant stop starts, and harder to stop. Adds a pro, more energy gained from regen braking.
-Unique custom built parts that will determine the future of personally owned electric scooters. IP66 rating (wash it with a hose, darude sandstorm proof) will be Apollo's new standard. Which is rare in most high performance scooters. If there is any puddles or rain, you don't wanna risk taking a Segway or Kabo Wolf King out for a ride. Apollo Pro will still get you to work on time! Smooth city cruising will improve.
-Apollo app performance monitoring. The app will know if you need to schedule for maintenance or offer to ship you replacement parts,
-10000km/6200mile performance expectations. Best in class. This scooter will last you the next 5-15 years, with likely the only maintenance being tires treads, motor and battery replacements. Considering a used gas motor vehicle will cost the same, + gas +insurance +oil changes +tire rotations +tire changes seasonally +cleaning and maintenance +etc etc etc... and parts aren't likely to improve from this point either. You may be able to get a higher voltage battery, or higher amperage, or lighter weight, but for the 40-70kmh 30-45mph city demographic that will be taking this scooter home every day, it will be EXTREMELY difficult to improve upon without being EXCESSIVE.
-Designed for city performance. Not too many people are utilizing the full power of a 110kmh/70mph scooter. The battery range isn't good enough, and it isn't as forgiving as a motorcycle with double the size tires. 50 km/h/35 mph is average speed limit on most city roads. Plenty enough power to get you to where you need to go add pass people you need to. Scooters aren't highway material. Stop kidding yourselves with your performance expectations. They are unreasonable.
-Customization. Lock your scooter remotely with the app so it shouldn't be stolen. BRICK IT REMOTELY, aka make it useless, for anyone who does manage to take it despite that feature so they can't sell it. Acceleration and Regen braking power are adjustable. LED lighting is adjustable in brightness and colours. For turn signals, braking, and regular lighting. The PRO is all about being customized electronically, with minimum physical maintenance.
Oh, but the Wolf King GT Kabo goes faster and farther. Its got double the battery voltage and 5 more amps, and 30 more pounds despite the minimal metal rod frame and IPX5 rating. X means undetermined by the way. Segway GT2 is IPX4, but 20 pounds heavier. Depending on where you live, THIS IS HUGE.
Apollo is really risking it all to create the new benchmark for scooter expectations. Sure, I could understand that you don't need the blue tooth speaker and anti theft, the quad lock options, the dual 1200 motors or the mach2 controller that overclocks them to 3k each, or the fancy LED 360 lighting. But the 330lb UNIBODY frame, IP66 rating, regen braking, cruise control and handle bar directionals, DOT display from any angle or brightness, auto intuitive regen braking on handle brakes, customization for gear speeds, customization for acceleration and regen braking strength could be the new industry standard. And they will be set up with one of the best frames, stems, latches, suspensions, and bonus customization parts around for the next couple years. And the company they used to purchase their cookie cutter scooter parts from will be forced to update all of their factory specs to accommodate.
If this Apollo Pro benchmark succeeds, Apollo will be able to make the cheaper versions of this scooter EXTREMELY easily. Where as everyone else will have to adapt.
For example, it's like when small time beer companies in the early 1900s patented a way to can beer. It wasn't successful until the 1930s but it's popularity exploded due to lack of a deposit charge (rip), easier and safer to store and transport, and increased shelf life. It cost big time companies like Pabst and Anheuser-Busch (Labatt) a lot of money to replace their bottling lines with canning machinery.
Performance improvements to be made. Cruise control should have a button press, instead of a set hold throttle time initiation. Directionals should be more similar to a motorcycle, with one finger to press left or right on one side. The brakes seem backwards, with rear wheel on the left handle and front wheel on the right handle. Especially for a Canadian company exporting to the US and Canada for the first batches. Would love to have a handle bar latch to the handle, or the front wheel to the frame, so that you can lift the back of the scooter and drag it around by the front wheel while in unlock mode. Especially useful for communal buildings with elevators, or to pull up a flight of stairs instead of lifting.
You have to lift the whole thing up, to take it up stairs?
DEAL BREAKER. If I could walk it upstairs, I’d buy 1 ASAP. Tired of waiting on buses
@@alexsherel3344lift weights or get a lighter scooter..
For 4k usd you can look at Dualtrons which is built better and with a brand name that is well established
Dualtrons suck tbh, square wave controllers...
Well established, for sure. Better performance, for sure. Built better? Hell no. Sven though they have improved their build quality recently, it’s definitely not a brand known for their build quality.
Nah.. dualtrons are having issues now.. Segway
. Nami, etc all of them have them
I think if you ask a thousand people that have tried the scooter, 900 will agree it's overpriced. I think it should cost the same as a Nami Klima Max.
Agreed its overpriced like this could of atleast been put on sale the same price as a wolf warrior x pro price since there the same speed even then I see it as alot of money I got my Wolf Warrior X Pro second hand for 900 but still it should of been the same price as a new wolf warrior x pro
I've been researching scooters for over a year now, and haven't been able to pull the trigger. Mainly because I don't want a massive doorstop that I can't get fixed because of horrible customer service, or because I can't source parts for to fix it myself. I scratched Apollo off of my short list, and would buy the Name Klima Max if I could find one in stock.
Great review🤙🤙
Hey Mitchel, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think you intuitively understood what we were going after here and managed to communicate it very well! A lot of customers are turned off by the price tag - the reality is that quality costs money. There is a simple relationship between the quality of raw materials, motors/batteries/suppliers from renowned manufactures, and the end consumer price point. The Pro, due to its motor size, is also subject to 25% import duties in the US which does not help. That said, the Pro was important for us in two ways - it's by far the most ambitious product we ever launched and it paved the way for the subsequent models we will be releasing (for example, by cracking how to integrate IoT into a scooter). Secondly we are working on building up volume to lower our costs and bring the price down over time. Our goal is to ultimately offer this scooter closer to the $3,299 price point in about a year from now. Keep up the great work and look forward to involving you in more product discussions in the future!
Thanks for your transparency, Maciek. I’m curious as to how the market will react to this groundbreaking scooter. It’s aesthetically pleasing and the technology is second to none. While I will wait to see if you’re able to hit your goal next year, I do think there’s a market for the CHROME Edition as it simply takes the look of this scooter to a whole other level.
@@mcraven747i dont even think he works for apollo
Hi @@KingK1. ,
@maciekpiskorz7155 is our Co-Founder and CEO :)
I love where the idea of the pro is taking the market, however a lot of people are going to have a problem with the 4k price tag. If you were to take major parts from this to make a mid range price scooter, features that should be kept is the IP66 rating, the dot display, the stem design, the dot display, the regen braking. the 12 inch tires and not as strong motor('s), a similar strong frame without the flare of customizable lighting. Making it lighter or more portable, or having a removable battery. (Seen the prototype for your new prototype for a design with a removable battery, not sure how I'd feel about cornering on streets facing forward with a wider board and a battery between my feet)
Things I don't like is have the buttons for the directionals on the thumb throttles and brakes. Having to let go of the throttle to press the direction or shift gear buttons seems like a design flaw that could put riders in a dangerous situation that should be fixed. (Slowing down quickly without braking in traffic = bad time)
imma be one of them judge ! i own a gt2 and plan on buying an apollo pro for next april 'am in quebec winter are meant for cars ' but as soon as march i intend to put my order on ! i have a few concern about the shipping delay .. the ip66 rating and the reactions of the pro at highspeed , ive rode racer/dirt/mountain bike my whole life i have high expentancy for that price ! 🤟
We have Velity new 90 mph scooter.. excellent reviews on this Chanel relaxed and good insights..Well done..
Have you done a review on a wolf King gt?
Yes, just a few videos ago
Besides a great review, what an amazing route
It is super quiet. Looked to have some wobble riding but might be camera view. Too expensive, my Solar P1 was $1000, 1200w front and rear motors, 40mph, 28mph real world range. I do love the ghost and phantom for suspension, looking forward to new Explorer, I almost bought the original rear wheel drive one. Cheers for great honest review.
I just bought a Nami KLIMA Max. The Pro was the one I really wanted and after being one of the first Adopters of the Phantom V1 Apollo Scooters could not offer me a better deal on the Pro so I went with a new brand.
great video!
how do you feel about the suspension
Front suspension feels great, rear suspension is a little stiff
@@RK9Rides would you say its worse than the gt2? or more than good enough for road
@@BlackgoldTwinduck this appears to by a city scooter for sure!
I daily drive a 5000€ scooter, Nami Burn E, 7kw rear wheel drive only with a Nucular 24F controller, and the usual Magura brakes and PMT tires etc, the rear motor is also watersealed and has Ferrofluid and a new temperature sensor inside, its propably already faster than like +95% of dual motor scooters, next year it needs a larger motor and a new battery, i want at least 15kw from the rear wheel...
I worry Apollo will poorly support the Pro as they have (in my view) the Phantom, especially since the Pro seems to double-down on things like an app and a monthly subscription. Setting the well-known QC issues with the Phantom aside, I can't help but feel burned that they promised the V3 upgrade kit only to cancel it (for the 60V model). Apollo, in my view, embodies the tech industry maxim "Move fast and break things." Problem with that is when your stem bolt isn't made of strong enough steel, that bolt is what breaks when you move fast. History shows Apollo will abandon the Pro for whatever their next scooter is, as they have abandoned Phantom owners.
I also own the Phantom V2 60V version. Notice the reviews don't mention the downgrades on the Pro from hydraulic brakes and a quad suspension but it's over $1,500 more expensive cuz of the light show which adds 0 to the performance or ride quality. The Mantis King GT is faster with more range for only $2,200 and the Talaria XXX ebike is $2,999 and it's faster with more range and way more fun to ride. I don't get this pricing at all in the current market
@@lamar310 Part of the reason I like the new Pro is because of the regen throttle and drum brakes. My current 45+ mph scooter eats through dick brakes and ive had to replace the hydraulic fluid twice this year alone, with endless leaks and having to replace caliper recently. Drum brakes are a HUGE bonus.
@@TheAdventureAutothat's 1 he'll of a typo, unless "Dick" breaks are a new type of break. Mechanical or otherwise. 😅.. Also I know a few with a phantom v2, they have had 0 issues and 1 has had theirs for a while now. 🎉
@@TheAdventureAuto eates through WHAT brakes xD
@@lamar310 as a phantom owner, i would go with a E bike...
I would like to see an option for a sear on such scooters.
Inmotion rs is much better, and dont cost 4k the market is very very big for big prices.....
Yes the in motion rs does cost $4000.. look it up
new version Vsett10+ vs Klima ?
Can i use bike speedometer for apollo pro?
Is it better than Nami Klima or Max 2?
Do anyone know anyone who rides a Roadrunner V2 in Nevada. Legally?
Thanks in advance.
comparing to the competition? definitely not imo
I personally purchased it for $3k($4000 cad, by being an early supporter) which I think is what it should be priced at, very fair
but to be honest the main reason I went for it is because of the gps/alarm/remote lock(which isn't free unfortunately) peace of mind is priceless :)
I agree with your views, with this being a "premium" scooter. But I probably won't be dropping 4000 dollars for one.
Right is throttle, left is regen brake.
@@ericlanglitz2394oh lol
I'm confused with this scooter. Is the final version chrome or gray?
Matte grey
Makes sense that Apollo used drum brakes, since 99% (in my case, 100%) of braking is done with the Regen system (RBS). Drum brakes aren't aggressive, but they're low maintenance. When you have an IP66 rating, which is fantastic, the focus has to include "keep the moving parts covered". I'm 5'10" & ~200lbs and the RBS, once you learn how to use them correctly, can stop way faster than anything I've used, without locking up the wheels. Yes, a good set of hydraulics is more aggressive if you want to lock the back wheel & skid. There's a lot of competition @ the $4500 (CDN) range - with most of the offerings aimed at either offroad or top speed/aggressiveness & quite dishonest claims of range. The Pro isn't as fast as many in the price range, with the Apollo Phantom about 5 km/h slower & at less than half the price. You're buying a refined, well-tested product that isn't made to basically destroy itself or the rider. Who knows what a software update might bring - they're using 1200W per wheel, you can configure the controller to punch them a lot harder. I'd expect there'll be updates available.
I haven't ridden the Pro yet, I own a '22 Ghost & a '23 Phantom though, so I've had the pleasure of using the RBS.
I think what you're paying for with the Pro is the waterproofing, the 'vehicle-level' quality and what I like best - 12" puncture-resistant, self-healing tires. Changing the tires on an Apollo is a true pain in the arse. The handgrips seem to be the only thing people really dislike about it.
It's not gonna be aggressive enough for some people, it might be a bit overpriced, but its true value hasn't yet been established. Let people put a few thousand km's on these things & I think riders will see some return on their investment - something like this is built to last. Exhaustive testing costs a lot of money. Bet we see cops/mailmen/security guards using these to inspect properties soon, if not already.
Poor argument for drum brakes. Disc brakes don’t exactly stop working if they get water on them. They still stop cars when it’s raining, right? Performance is superior, and hydraulic ones especially have way better lever feel than any drum brake will have. I just wish Apollo would offer the option of buying some adapters so you could mount disc brakes yourself if they can’t be bothered to do it themselves
@@berengerchristy6256 I put Nutt hydraulics on my '23 Apollo Phantom. Since I'm using regen, I only need the hydraulics as a backup. The disc brakes that came with it were awful. I read somewhere that they chose drum brakes to ensure the braking components are kept isolated. You're right about water not affecting disc brakes, but I was thinking more about mud, dirt, grit. I haven't used drum brakes in a long time TBH, and never on a scooter, so I don't know what to expect there for feel.
The regen brakes are NOT effective in high-speed emergency stops. Planned stops are amazing, but above 50km/h or so, regen braking is ineffective. In fact, that's why I put hydraulics in - I'd love to be able to lock up the back wheel & power-skid if I need to. The old BMX'r in me.
I bought a dualtron thunder 3 instead. Range and performance. The lights on the dualtron are incredible to and looks so nice. This scooter is way to much money for what it offers. Example look at the punk rider pro, same design, but 1300 dollars
I know you'd probably won't see my comment buy I wanted ask what your opinion was on the iSinwheel s9 max e scooter model?
Damn auto correct I meant but*
Looks like a pretty generic entry-level scooter to me. I personally would choose a NIU or Segway in that price range
@@RK9Rides amazing response and valid opinions but I've looked about both those entry level scooters and the seem to lack suspension and on the roads in Ottawa you'll feel every bump and potholes
Since that scooter is also made in China like the competition. So why the high price tag ?
Eh, iPhones are also made on China. Why the high price tag?
@@odtube Yes I agree but they all are about in the same price range. Not like this one. Drum brakes ,wobble stem at high speed and not a big battery for the price. My opinion .
when you put Apollo and reliable in the same sentence 😆
Imagine if they bought back/reborn the Apollo Ultra (X11-DDM). But since its Apollo were talking here, it'll probably cost $6K.
Whenever you shop for a scooter the speed and range are the first things you consider. This scooter asks you to pay $4,000 but it wants you to put speed and range to the side and focus on a light show and app instead...that's a red flag to me. I don't care about fancy lights when I'm riding and trying to keep up with traffic or ride up a hill. I own the Phantom V2 60V version and it has a quad suspension, hydraulic brakes, and the same top speed so the Pro is a downgrade in 2 areas and costs more. Lastly the Talaria XXX ebike costs $2,999 and it's faster with more range and a way smoother ride
I like the Pro a lot more than the Phantom on the ride feel and comfort side of things
@@RK9Rides but do you like the ride to the extent that you would pay double for the Pro over the Phantom? Cause that's what we're talking about here for MSRP.
Why even mention disc breaks when there's a regen break on the phantom, i never used my disc breaks, they are pointless with the regen breaks, i could see myself use the disc breaks in a emergency situation and thats it.
Seeing the way you have to use the very tippy tip of your right thumb to activate the throttle makes me question the ergonomics. For 4000 dollars I would expect the best of the best in comfort (As I understand that is what this scooter markets itself to be). And that does not inspire confidence.
I agree that the Appolo is meant to be a comfort/luxury ride, but they could've at least made it 60v.
Drum Brakes on a 4000 $ scoot is Wild .
Overpriced junk.
Auto intuitive regen braking on handle brakes to improve drum brakes, or a pure regen brake thumb press. What else you got to complain about
@@shanew7361 Well Said !
@@rumdumpster390 When people never used a regen break on a apollo scooter, they dont know what they are missing out on, you dont use disc or drum breaks, they are useless, you use the regen break as its so good.
The Segway GT2 is cheaper than this Apollo Pro now and I prefer the Segway :)
The Segway GT2 is awesome and has amazing build quality. But paying more than 3k for a 52v scooter kind of bothers me.
@@AlliCanThinkAbout Aren't they on discount now?
The the flj k6 is worth 2500.
I think the Apollo phantom v2 is still king when it comes to looks, kinda like the batman pod bike.
Burn e2 ,Wolf king gt,Inmotion rs or the Teverun fighter supreme or Dualtron are all better scooters .the bells and whistles are just not important on a scooter. Drum brakes are just not enough. i would still rather have a higher capacity with a higher voltage and cruise at higher speed or faster when needed with better adjustable suspension and brakes. you would be mad to buy one of these given what there is out there to choose from.
Apollo could go with just brake thumb throttle…and NO disc or drum brakes! I have my regen brake throttle set to level 3 and I never need to pull brake handles.
For 4k it would be pretty hard not to get the Nami instead.
Nami is as fast or faster and sells for 2k. I completely agree with you
Which. Doesn't have self healing tires... No thanks .. ride in confidence with no flats on self healing.. NAMI does not have those on any of theirs
@@mikefox181 you can't put two other tires on the nami ? I did on mine...
There’s nothing that makes it worth this high price. The old, five year old chassis that you mention in this video are very well proven, this chassis, not so much. The fact that I can get a scooter that’s faster than this one with longer range and also lighter for like half as much as pretty telling.
I don’t know why this guy pulls brake handles the whole video…the regen brake thumb throttle is all he needs to slow down or stop. 2 thumbs is all that’s needed to accelerate and stop.
No it's not.. it'll be under $3,000 soon enough... It's nice, definitely would buy it.. but not for that price and not till they update the stem from wobbling, and they need to put a real display on there.
Not putting my phone on something that may or may not hold it. And it you wipe out there goes your phone too.
I would choose rather Teverun supreme
Ah 40 mph for 4k I believe shouldn't be worth that amount lol. Looks nice but nah more of a scam price to me I don't see it being worth that much. But everyone has there own opinions if yall Wana buy go for it but not me lol. Same way as that Segway GT2 the specs arnt there to be costing above that 4k mark. It used to cost more then 4k I remember lol.
A 4k scooter with no disc breaks!!! That’s sucks! The scooter is gorgeous though. My Segway GT1 is pretty nice. Just waaaay too big in my opinion. And doesn’t look really cool to me.
Ugh...
👎 on this review, it’s too pc for me and at $4000, I want to hear the nit picks.
At what point will you buy this over a Wolf King GTR, Pro or a Nami Burn E2 Max?
I bought Apollo Phantom for half the price.
Sounds a little faster if you put it into metric. I have a Teverun Fighter that goes 85 kms put that in Imperial now that sounds slow to.😢
I don't need the Rolls Royce of scooters. I would rather have a Toyota of scooters. Just something reliable that doesn't cost more than my car.
u can get segway gt2 for 2600 which is wayy better
In what way.. they have the same speed and mile range?.. the Apollo has better lighting, bigger tires, you think because Segway has that display , that's your selling point??
Probably 1k for the speaker. Rediculous price really
I don't think any e scooter is worth that kind of money 🤣
2500 would be enough for this Apollo..
$1999
No...the Apollo Pro scooter is not worth 4K. Thank you for asking.
Marketing overpriced this scooter. I will wait for 16 months when offered at 3000 dollars
It’s absolutely not worth 4k ! Drum brakes ? I mean cmon are we going back in time ? And all that money for something with no speed and not to mention how poor the suspension looks . No thanks
I cringe when i see you riding that fast w/o gloves. I know your a pro but stay safe.
Right now my end game scooter is the Kaabo Wolf Warrior X Pro but yeh its the end point I've had 6 scooters and I own 4 right now but I'm modifying scooter 6 to be fantastic and it would be the last scooter to be modded its basically fully modded abit but im planning to get a custom footboard which would be sick ngl the wolf warrior x pro is better then this in my opinion I prefer the wolf over this scooter just my opinion on mine you have dual stems so u know ur safe this thing has 1 trust issues u know lol the Wolf Warrior X Pro is my perfect scooter decent speed it can overtake cars if I need to over take them that is but regardless I don't find this scooter worth it for 4k you could buy a car I dislike cars because of how they act there wreckless drivers not long ago my dad crashed into one he fucked off he went to the police they did nothing disgusting
Sorry for the long message 😂😂😂
inokim oxo looks better tho
🌈 "Promo SM"
Overpriced piece of junk.
That scooter looks really stupid.
Id say this is one of the best looking 40mph scooters out there. I personaly dont like the chrome, but this chrome version is one of a kind, production models will be anodized gray. Dualtrons, Kaabos or most scooters looks like they have been made out if random parts from aliexpress put together by a toddler. Just look how atrocious Dualtron cockpits look like..
@@BlackgoldTwinduckinnovation in scooter builds is such a slow curve at the moment
@@BlackgoldTwinduck
Aesthetics are of course subjective. I think it looks gaudy and tacky, but variety is the spice of life.
@@BlackgoldTwinduck For 4000 its ugly.
@@ctnative203 im curious what would you like it to look like
@7:01 was that a rat or what?
Squirrel I think. Lots of critters on the bike path I ride