In January of 2023 it was reported that John Fogerty finally owns the global publishing rights to all CCR songs. Thanks to a deal he made with Concord records. It took forever, but such good news that all tracks now belong to the brilliant man who wrote them!
My Daddy would've been glad to see John get his rights back. The indignation he expressed about this is part of what led me to study Radio/Television Broadcasting, culminating in me becoming the youngest in my family to earn a college degree (17).
"First see a lawyer. Then see another lawyer to watch the other lawyer. Then see another lawyer to watch out over the other two. Then don;t sign anything until your mother sees it." Great advice for any aspiring businessman/musician. If you have ever had to go through litigation, you cannot see John Fogerty as anything but a hero. He's an inspiration to me.
I was born in 70 and had no idea they were such a flash in the pan. They have always seemed like eternal legends to me. In the same basket as the Stones and Animals.
You're surprised? I never realized they were around that short a time, and I was there. I was in junior high when I first heard them and a Junior in high school when I saw them, which I guess was 1972. Think Tom Fogarty was gone by then, and John was finishing out touring obligations, and I'm not sure how many original members were left. They came on,played, and left without any encore, which I thought was strange. I had no idea of all the turmoil going on until much later.
This video is a great telling of this story. The editing in particular is really excellent, it holds you attention and has no "filler" and doesn't patronize your audience . Well done
I don’t think there was an American Beatles. Lynyrd Skynyrd maybe? Honesty I find it hard to differentiate British classic rock from American classic rock considering how the more popular British classic rock bands’ singers sang with American accents for the most part anyways. Really doesn’t matter where you’re from. Good music is good music, nationality has nothing to do with anything.
My two older brothers bequeathed their CCR lps to me when they left for Vietnam- priceless gifts that helped shape who I am as a man and music lover. To this day, I hold them and Mr. Fogerty in high esteem. Thank you Ron, Dan, and Tom!
@@blayneaugust I try not to judge anybody whose path I have not walked. I have never been in battle, so when veterans of that horror do things I do not understand, I consider what they've been through, even though I have not experienced it. I know very well it would have changed me, and not for the better. I have also never experienced wealth and fame in my 20s, so I can't judge the seemingly bizziare behavior of many people who did achieve that. I have imagined it and, knowing myself a little better by now, I think I would have been a good candidate for the 27 club.
As a former self-employed photographer and graphic artist who spent several years being badly ripped off by middlemen in the industry - I really identified with John's experience.
I’m a former graphic designer, 20 years., I got out of graphics in 2010. I never realized how bad it twisted me until I quit. Now I drive a truck. I hope you found peace.
I got to see John in concert last year, and compared to all the footage over the years, I’ve never seen him happier than when he’s on stage with his very talented kids. Although his life was filled with betrayal and hard times, you can take solace in knowing that he’s reached a place of peace and can finally share that with his kids and the world.
John Fogerty was and is Creedence Clearwater Revival. His songwriting made them great. Stu, Tom and Doug were a critical part of the mix, but their level of talent NEVER came up to John's. They killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
I think the other 3 got tired of being working musicians. because that's all they were. after the break-up, they probably weren't putting much food on the table. but they worked for John as much as they worked for Saul. John, let's face it, tho he was screwed overall (they all were), he at least could live on royalties. the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle .we're not seeing the middle here, I don't think. I can't tell you how much I admire this R&R giant Irish American. I badly want to read his book now. I may come back and have a different view of the CCR story. it apparently tells all about how he taught the other 3 how to play. that would mean they owe him everything. and as far as a re-union, after 1990, they no longer would have a hell of a rhythm guitarist, anyway. I saw them as a trio before I understood jack about music, I just knew Tom had left the band. then, after seeing a local cover band (they did some Creedence songs) and I saw and heard what Tom contributed to the band, when this kid on rhythm guitar was playing good, interesting chords that I thought John was playing (again, I didn't know shit then, as far as lead vs. rhythm, but was starting to understand) ,I realized how important he was to the band. the other 3 took that 30 grand probably so they could eat. again, the middle is missing for we, the fans. like what did they make despite the raw deal from Saul and Fantasy? we're getting John's side. but Tom, in the interview, gave John his due as the legend he really is. that was fitting. but isn't it clear that Saul was nobody's "best friend"?
CCR, The Doors, Cream, Jimi Hendrix... It's incredible how much great material/songs some of the bands back in the 60s came up with in such a short period of time. The Beatles from 1963-1970. Look at all of the great music they put out over a 6 year period basically. It's extremely impressive. When it comes to bands staying together for a long time, the key is everyone knowing their role. It's like a team.
@@philgiglio7922 But the Stones singer was never pushed aside by the others. CCR Stu and Tom F tried to sing and made the worst record of them all. Arseholes they were.
i was in the army from 68 to 71...ccr was my background music to my life and the kaliedescopic world swirling around me.... i have known about all this for a while....i remember the joy of living on the san marcos river in texas the summer of 84 when i first heard centerfield....re charged my batteries to say the least....last year 2021 my brother died....we had the same situation as john and tom.....never REALLY cleared up the weirdness between us.....when things get that personal it is very intense...
@@trinity0844 i have four ccr albums on cd plus greatest hits....for a long time i could not listen to them because of all discussed here but after hearing john's side here....i am going to start my day with greatest now....such a sad story....when i think of john and tom i think of my brother and me.....life is way too short to hold grudges...
It also breaks my heart hearing John speak of the emotional loss of his brother Tom. John clearly wears the loss on his sleeves for all to see. Remarkable is the love of a man for his brother.
Nice presentation. I remember when John was being sued for plagiarizing himself, and how incredibly insane it was. Imagine being on that jury? John boycotted his CCR songs for years, and I heard that Bob Dylan told John that if he kept refusing to play his old songs, people were going to start thinking of "Proud Mary" as an Ike and Tina Turner song.
After being sued himself, I thought Fogerty had a hell of a lot of nerve suing the Hollies for plagiarism for "Long Cool Woman." His "Old Man Down the Road" sounds a lot more like "Run Through the Jungle" than their song did to any of his stuff, yet he won his case. Unfortunately they caved.
Born in 1967 and raised on CCR, they are and he is the reason I love music and he play guitar. The first two songs I learned…. Bad Moon Rising and Proud Mary! Long live John Foggerty and CCR!
The resurgence of Fogerty in the 90s was incredible. His voice, his guitar, his writing could not be denied forever. He was screwed over by the system. Unfortunately his band mates could not realize they should ride the John Fogerty train.
Peace John and Tom...you brought joy, love and tears to my eyes as a 17 yr boy in Montana along with my friends..."Money doesn't change you, it unmasks you...no shit Saul"...words straight from the horses mouth.
I can honestly say that if I was in a band with a writer like John I would just thank God and hope I didn't mess up enough to get booted. I'd be happy to help in any way I could and happy to shut up and play also. I get that it's a sibling rivalry thing but I like to think I could get past it and recognize that John is a composer arranger of rare talent
yeah but we haven't heard the side of the other guys. it sounds crazy the way they behaved but there had to be something john was doing that got under everybody's skin. Was he demeaning and belittling everyone? when you behave bad enough you can drive people to just want revenge against you. is that what happened to this band?
@@Blackadder75 and you could say the same about pieces that focuses on the others' version of events - ie that John's viewpoint wasn't presented. One needs to employ some medial literacy and come to their own conclusions
Been a fan of John and CCR since the beginning. The amount of timeless music CCR put out in such a short time was just phenomenal. I've seen John and his band several times now, but I sure do miss the 'Creedence sound'...CCR was tight and everything just clicked. Just a shame the good times couldn't have lasted a little longer.
Never had a clue they had only lasted a few years, I was born in the 1980s, local radio played ccr all the time. My dad had cassettes of CCR, when I was a kid first learning guitar that’s all I wanted to play so it’s awesome to see the full story of the band. Still listen to CCR to this day and it stays in my iTunes list
I moved to the Philippines 7 years ago from South Florida. My Filipina wife heard CCR's greatest hits one day and now plays it on youtube every day. Same for Grand Funk Railroad........ 2 most frequently played artists at our house in manila.
Great rock band. Amazing that he feared being a one hit wonder, and despite the band being around for only four years they really did manage to reach classic rock status. Really enjoyed the video.
John Fogerty is like the Ralph Kiner of 60s rock. Ralph Kiner hit only 400 home runs, but he's in the Hall of Fame because his career was only ten years long.
I agree nobody sounded like CCR back in the 60's and still no band has to this day they had a unique organic sound and John had one of the greatest voices
i knew the basics of the long legal battles between John ad the rest of the band, but i did not know all these details about Saul or how bad the relationship was between John and Tom. this made me literally tear up at the end, John has written such amazing songs that have given so many of us happiness and he didnt even get to be there with his brother in his final days. as a failed ungifted musician myself i have never been able to grasp people that end up in a band with a genuinely talented songwriter and cannot just be happy to go along for the ride and be supportive. "Fortunate Son" may be the greatest Rock N Roll song of all time, and "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" is one of the most beautiful songs i have ever heard, then you have the scores of other great songs he has written. it is a shame that story doesnt have a happier ending. love you John.
It's because everybody in the band works their asses off, but only the writer really gets paid on the back end. Do you end up with one or two guys making a retirement income while the rest have menial labor helping them do it and nothing to show in between sessions.
@@stevecarter8810yeah but their work wouldn’t be worth a damn without the creative work of the writer. There’s a million great musicians out there, but truly great songwriters are far less common, and should be duly compensated for their worth. Whatever exact arrangement that requires depends on the specifics, but you cannot expect essentially a backing musician to make as much as the guy writing AND playing the music..
@@booognish while I broadly agree, different bands, different dynamics. What would Toto's Roseanna be without porcaro's choices on drums? Van halen's jump without the synth intro? 10cc's I'm not in love without the crazy production choices? Prince reportedly cherry picked elements from extended jam sessions to make his signature sound, but took the credit and the royalties. Touring takes its toll on every band member. What started out as a bunch of guys taking on the world slowly gets divided by wealth distribution and total exhaustion.
This was a great documentary of John Fogerty and CCR. I enjoyed it immensely. Johns voice and his delivery can’t be taught it’s a god given talent. His song writing is something to be experienced and I would say to every new artist investigate this man of many talents and cover your ass when it comes to family, so called managers and well meaning friends. Money changes everything!!❤😊
You had me hooked with the norm video, and now you’ve knocked it out of the park a second time with this slick, informative, emotive doc about a band I didn’t know much about going in. This stuff is genuinely brilliant, can’t remember the last time I felt so glad to be a subscriber. Keep it up!
@@StyrofoamBonfire I didn't realize that you're the one behind the Norm video too. Keep it up. This long form informational video format is exploding on CZcams, and you've got a knack for it.
Jesus! What an incredibly well-made and witty video. I wish I were this clever. The map, the green line merging into his mouth, the timing on quotes. Really well done. Makes me think someone should do a Creedence biopic. Makes me think YOU should.
I knew none of this. Listened to CCR a lot in high school and college. Great video, keep up the great work. You deserve many more subscribers, I have no doubt this channel will grow
Most excellent documentary & breakdown of CCR that I've ever seen & am glad you're uploaded it As a lad from London the Louisiana type 'swamp rock' (as the critics derided it), was just a million miles from the other groups I grew up with (Beatles, Led Zeppelin, etc) - I never really fathomed as to "how" I came to love John Fogarty & CCR But I did right from the opening riff of "Up Around The Bend" I was hooked - My first guitar riffs were emulating John Fogerty & George Harrison & rather surprisingly Steve Hackett - Became a lifelong CCR & John Fogerty fan as a result
For the record, the only two hit songs off of CCR’s last album, Mardi Gras, were both written and sung by John Fogerty. Sweet Hitch-Hiker reached #6 and Someday Never Comes reached #25. Never underestimate the power of human ego’s and greed to destroy something great. CCR could have been recognized up there with the greatest rock bands of all time, they were that great.
fogerty music after CCR is mostly crap.just a bunch of hired hands backing him up, no chemistry at all. no drummer can duplicate Cosmo's sound & feel.along with Levon Helm, one of the most identifiable drumming sounds ever. fogarty didn't teach Cosmo to play the drums. the CCR (revisited) lineup with Eliot Easton smokes any live shows fogarty ever played with CCR, or solo. Tom Fogarty started the band & never gets his due or respect. give john a big beach towel to cry on.🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
What's crazy is that it isn't "could have been recognized" but that they ARE recognized. Fogerty was just that good, that even with all of that he managed to propel his band to those heights in two years
He must have lacked the confidence to use session musicians for his entire career. He could have avoided all of the legal, professional, and emotional stress.
Amazing fact is that CCR never scored a number 1 single on the Billboard Hot 100! Instead they had 5 singles that reached number 2 (still a record I believe).
I was there when they started! My father bought me all my records back then and we'd have a ball letting the sounds rip from Dad's big ole stereo system he had then. GOOD TIMES!!!!!!!!
You are a great filmmaker. A producer and director. A great editor too. I know very few CCR songs. I didn't know about the story. I watched the whole video and searched for more songs. That Norm documentary has given me a great channel. Subscribed.
I remember growing open Dublin serving my apprenticeship at 16 and listening to CCR on the radio. Up Around The bend, Traveling band, Have You Ever Seen the Rain and Bad Moon Rising were the songs we would carry in our heads between trains and buses when possible as we walked everywhere. Going to Bolton Street and looking in the record shop window and always front and center was Cosmos Factory. We had little spendable currency but we had the real gold. Thank you John and thank you CCR.
Yes, John Fogerty was, and is Credence. His voice is unmistakeably unique. I grew up in CCR' songs. I was amazed at his bayou songs, especially them being from the mountains of CA, but almost every time one of their songs came out, in that unmistakeable John Fogerty voice, it usually related to something in my life. Born in the Bayou Country in South Louisiana, half White, half Native, we immigrated to Chicago, IL...the inner city where I was raised by my Mom. Periodically, I'd return to LA for brief stays with kinfolk. "Just Got Home From Illinois..." Wow! That smacked me one, I had just got "home" from Illinois not even a week when I heard that song ! "People on the bayou are happy to give..." Another one. They just kept coming and I thought "These boys HAVE to be from Louisiana, or at least , a nearby State. " How did Mr. Fogerty capture our experiences on the Bayou ? He/they HAD to be from those areas to capture in song what it was like but then, they really weren't, which made their songs even more amazing. Then Arlo Guthrie came out with "Riding On The Train They call the City of New Orleans, Pulling Out of Kankakee (IL)." I rode that same train from Kankakee to New 'Awlins a number of times. All of these songs were weird because they hit me where I was at. Thanks for all the great music. Good times
Can someone explain to be how so many cookie-cutter content creators with no soul or talent have millions of subs while this guy who clearly puts his heart and mind into his work delivering such amazing works of art in the form of history lessons only has 18k? Wtf CZcams, recommend this channel to more people ffs!
The age of the channel. When you wrote this, they were not even a year old. It's that simple. I'd you are.not a CZcams yet and jump in and put out the best content you can, expect less than 3 millions views a year without paying for advertising. You do know that the channels that hit so fast pay for it right? Anyone can pay to have any video recommended. Organically though, this is it. You have to put time in. They are doing just fine. Their numbers are impressive.
"the most interesting thing is that these events happened at all" - - That's quite a line my man, 2nd vid of yours I watched today.. Absolutely brilliant. I never knew this much into the story and strangely enough the articles I'd read had kind of painted John in a bad light.. At least it seemed that way. The way it's explained here.. I completely get what John was doing..
This is phenomenal. Been a fan since birth (possibly in the womb) My favorite part of The Big Lebowski was him playing CCR Thank you so much for creating this & sharing it. Very appreciated 🎁 Many many blessings 💓
WOW! I was a Creedence fan since 1969 when I went into the Marines. Green River was my favorite because it was popular before I left for Boot Camp at Parris Island. My girlfriend and I was wading through a stream and we sat on some rocks, dangling our feet in a pool and the song was rolling through my mind. When I left Camp LeJeune after Infantry Training Regiment, I had to change buses at Breezewood, Pa. and a Creedence song was playing in the Restaurant where I had lunch. Up until now, I never knew there was so much turbulence in that group! SAD! Thanks for the OUTSTANDING video on the group!
@@kennyhuskisson2684 Hey, I'm a transplant, only been here a couple years, looks like its going to be my Alamo. I'm in Bacon Creek, they changed the name to Bonnieville for some damn reason. Bacon Creek, a town named that is pretty high up in the cool factor, my opinion.
I’m just old enough to remember when Creedence Clearwater Revival was the biggest act in all of pop music. They OWNED the charts, the airwaves, and for a while, The Beatles. Their music stands proud today.
Beautifully done, once again. I was just re-watching your Norm video yesterday, which is my favourite. Nice to see Norm make an appearance in this one too. Thank you for all your hard work. Excited to see what you do next.
One of the greatest bands ever. I had always heard that it was John's ego that was the issue glad to finally hear his side of it. During his Fortunate Son tour a bit back, my wife and I got to see him live, still to this day one of the best performers hands down.
It is really very very nice to see people coming together and creating GOOD content on whatever interests them, what stories have we heard because of it. This was a great video, and I am sure there will be more. We are mere people who are just a form of energy- when we die the energy doesn't, so we just decay. What gets lost is the many stories, memories and incidents that moved us through our lifetimes, kept us going for more, and fascinated us through its course. I hope one day I tell stories like this too, it was a pleasure to watch this. Thank You
That book of his must be adventurous! Great vid btw, amazed by your ability to construct and tell a story with and without many clips or your own storytelling.
Nice work on this, looking forward to more videos from you. CCR was a big part of my childhood, not much into them now that I'm older (probably just burned out on em) but they were huge at their peak and it was well deserved
Thanks so much for this video!!! I loved when ”Green River” came out and played Creedence so much back then and then they just disappeared for me and back then I didnt have time to investigate the story,and I been wondering so many years what happened. Thanks for this great video! It took me 40 years before I focusen a bit on CCR! John is a fabulous musician!
The amount of work you put into your videos really shows. The editing, the pacing, the footage you use, the casual narration style (I’m a big fan of you not trying to sound like what you think a narrator sounds like), the soundtrack, etc. It’s all very good. I love your videos. I look forward to following the channel for years.
I'm a casual CCR fan too, but never knew about any of this. I came here from the Norm video, who is my all-time favorite comedian, and I'm glad I stuck around because the videos continue to be professional, well-researched, original, and engaging.
I still love to listen to CCR at 70 years old! My home room teacher in high school let us hang some massive speakers on the classroom’s back wall. And we listened to CCR before heading out to our classes every morning! How cool was that!! 👌👍
What happens when you don't realise you are just a drummer or just a bass player, and that's fine, it should be enough. Sometimes you're lucky to be in the presence of genius, just enjoy it and don't be consumed by jealousy
Tom was my neighbor. His son Jeff and I are the same age and were friends. I never understood what the issue was as to why he quit till now. Nicely done. Thanks for posting
@@rolfanderson3925 I was in High School and Jeff and I with some other friends partied like rock stars. His Dad Tom was very nice and totally engaging. I'd say down to earth
CCR was my intro to rock. My aunt worked in a small town record store, and 'Down On the Corner' was the song I heard first. The record store closed before I was old enough to shop there tho. I bought my first album when I was 14 and it was CCR's 'Live In Europe'. I bought my second album at the same time and it was Grand Funk Railroad's 'We're an American Band'. I can't say which is my favorite. I love them both. For some reason, I thought I was 13 when I bought them, but their release dates say it can't be so.I had to be 14.
I went back and listened to all the ccr songs I could find. They were all great ! John your lack of ego back in the day may have prevented you from seeing the truth for a long time. My respect for you and your talent is immense. Thanks for all the great sounds!
One correction: John Fogerty played CCR songs live for the first time in 15 years in 1987 (not 1997 as indicated). It was for an audience of Vietnam War vets, during a benefit concert broadcast on HBO as “Welcome Home Vietnam.”
@@roberthill799 Not stated in the documentary is that Stu and Doug had formed CCRevisited and were playing the songs John had refused to play. So to undermine them, he began playing the CCR songs again. While John absolutely is the main talent in the group, he's no angel in this mess either.
In January of 2023 it was reported that John Fogerty finally owns the global publishing rights to all CCR songs. Thanks to a deal he made with Concord records. It took forever, but such good news that all tracks now belong to the brilliant man who wrote them!
My Daddy would've been glad to see John get his rights back. The indignation he expressed about this is part of what led me to study Radio/Television Broadcasting, culminating in me becoming the youngest in my family to earn a college degree (17).
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At 10:27, the graphic says, "...for all intensive purposes." The phrase is, "for all intents and purposes." Gotta proofread.
@@davydoodles1438I said intensive purposes until I it was pointed out on the king of queens I happened to have on one day bout 10 years ago. 😅
That's no big deal it's a very common mistake that many people make and believe me I was an English major! 😂😂😅
"First see a lawyer. Then see another lawyer to watch the other lawyer. Then see another lawyer to watch out over the other two. Then don;t sign anything until your mother sees it." Great advice for any aspiring businessman/musician. If you have ever had to go through litigation, you cannot see John Fogerty as anything but a hero. He's an inspiration to me.
I was born in 70 and had no idea they were such a flash in the pan. They have always seemed like eternal legends to me. In the same basket as the Stones and Animals.
i feel embarrassed that i thought they were around for longer. i put the Eagles in with the legends too.
You're surprised? I never realized they were around that short a time, and I was there. I was in junior high when I first heard them and a Junior in high school when I saw them, which I guess was 1972. Think Tom Fogarty was gone by then, and John was finishing out touring obligations, and I'm not sure how many original members were left. They came on,played, and left without any encore, which I thought was strange. I had no idea of all the turmoil going on until much later.
This video is a great telling of this story. The editing in particular is really excellent, it holds you attention and has no "filler" and doesn't patronize your audience . Well done
5 gold records in 17 months.
What incredible talent.
They were the American beatles
They WERE NOT the American Beatles...not one of the other guys were great musicians or writers.
Writers? No, not at all. But they played their instruments better than the Beatles did.
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Horseshit.
They were competent, but not great.
Name one of them who was in demand from other bands or as session musicians.
John was the American Beatles.
I don’t think there was an American Beatles. Lynyrd Skynyrd maybe? Honesty I find it hard to differentiate British classic rock from American classic rock considering how the more popular British classic rock bands’ singers sang with American accents for the most part anyways. Really doesn’t matter where you’re from. Good music is good music, nationality has nothing to do with anything.
My two older brothers bequeathed their CCR lps to me when they left for Vietnam- priceless gifts that helped shape who I am as a man and music lover. To this day, I hold them and Mr. Fogerty in high esteem. Thank you Ron, Dan, and Tom!
Did they make it back?
@@dawoool they did, thank you for asking. Ron still works as an auto mechanic, but we lost Dan about a month ago due to a stroke
@@blayneaugust Any PTSD?
@@dawoool without a doubt
@@blayneaugust I try not to judge anybody whose path I have not walked. I have never been in battle, so when veterans of that horror do things I do not understand, I consider what they've been through, even though I have not experienced it. I know very well it would have changed me, and not for the better. I have also never experienced wealth and fame in my 20s, so I can't judge the seemingly bizziare behavior of many people who did achieve that. I have imagined it and, knowing myself a little better by now, I think I would have been a good candidate for the 27 club.
As a former self-employed photographer and graphic artist who spent several years being badly ripped off by middlemen in the industry - I really identified with John's experience.
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I’m a former graphic designer, 20 years., I got out of graphics in 2010. I never realized how bad it twisted me until I quit. Now I drive a truck. I hope you found peace.
I got to see John in concert last year, and compared to all the footage over the years, I’ve never seen him happier than when he’s on stage with his very talented kids. Although his life was filled with betrayal and hard times, you can take solace in knowing that he’s reached a place of peace and can finally share that with his kids and the world.
What about his three older kids? What do they do for a living? He has two older sons and a daughter.
I agree, I saw him at Summerfest, 2022, Milwaukee, Wis, It was a great show. I wish he would write some net material.
I wonder if they feel bad that he never mentions them to the world. It seems like they don't matter.
@@jeanieruter7416 what the fuck are you on about?
@@jeanieruter7416 Perhaps they do something unrelated to music.
John Fogerty was and is Creedence Clearwater Revival. His songwriting made them great. Stu, Tom and Doug were a critical part of the mix, but their level of talent NEVER came up to John's. They killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Or in the real world, he thought he was better than everyone else.
I think the other 3 got tired of being working musicians. because that's all they were. after the break-up, they probably weren't putting much food on the table. but they worked for John as much as they worked for Saul. John, let's face it, tho he was screwed overall (they all were), he at least could live on royalties. the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle .we're not seeing the middle here, I don't think. I can't tell you how much I admire this R&R giant Irish American. I badly want to read his book now. I may come back and have a different view of the CCR story. it apparently tells all about how he taught the other 3 how to play. that would mean they owe him everything. and as far as a re-union, after 1990, they no longer would have a hell of a rhythm guitarist, anyway. I saw them as a trio before I understood jack about music, I just knew Tom had left the band. then, after seeing a local cover band (they did some Creedence songs) and I saw and heard what Tom contributed to the band, when this kid on rhythm guitar was playing good, interesting chords that I thought John was playing (again, I didn't know shit then, as far as lead vs. rhythm, but was starting to understand) ,I realized how important he was to the band. the other 3 took that 30 grand probably so they could eat. again, the middle is missing for we, the fans. like what did they make despite the raw deal from Saul and Fantasy? we're getting John's side. but Tom, in the interview, gave John his due as the legend he really is. that was fitting. but isn't it clear that Saul was nobody's "best friend"?
You have got that right, I could not express this better
Hey the man is rich and will always be famous. He done good for him self wouldn't you say. 👈. 👀
@@tomakafrankconlon3207 He was and is.
Very sad story due to the greed of one horrible individual. Thanks for telling the story well in this video!
The part about the brothers never repairing their relationship made me legit cry
CCR, The Doors, Cream, Jimi Hendrix... It's incredible how much great material/songs some of the bands back in the 60s came up with in such a short period of time. The Beatles from 1963-1970. Look at all of the great music they put out over a 6 year period basically. It's extremely impressive. When it comes to bands staying together for a long time, the key is everyone knowing their role. It's like a team.
Amazing how many crooked and greedy managers there were at the same time as well
Look how long the Stones have been playing together
Those four mentioned are my big 4 of 65 - 70.
@@philgiglio7922 But the Stones singer was never pushed aside by the others. CCR Stu and Tom F tried to sing and made the worst record of them all. Arseholes they were.
@@philgiglio7922 The Stones were ripped off by Alan Klein (ABKO) as well.
i was in the army from 68 to 71...ccr was my background music to my life and the kaliedescopic world swirling around me.... i have known about all this for a while....i remember the joy of living on the san marcos river in texas the summer of 84 when i first heard centerfield....re charged my batteries to say the least....last year 2021 my brother died....we had the same situation as john and tom.....never REALLY cleared up the weirdness between us.....when things get that personal it is very intense...
Hear what you're saying, my brother and I...42 years now
USMC (68-73) here; me and my fireteam fought a war to CCR, greatest music on planet earth!
@@trinity0844 i have four ccr albums on cd plus greatest hits....for a long time i could not listen to them because of all discussed here but after hearing john's side here....i am going to start my day with greatest now....such a sad story....when i think of john and tom i think of my brother and me.....life is way too short to hold grudges...
I grew up with those boys. Will never forget the first time I heard "Bad Moon Rising". THEY were, and always will be, my favorite band.
I grew up in CCR's heyday and they just kept putting out great songs. They were always on the radio and the charts. I thought they'd last forever.
John was and is one of the greats of contemporary song writing and production. An icon to me
What do you expect from a guy who knew who Stephen Foster was since he was 4 yrs old LOL?🙃
Many sad and tragic events in his life.
as a Guitarist hes a BIG inspiration to me :)
And a fantastic guitarist
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It also breaks my heart hearing John speak of the emotional loss of his brother Tom. John clearly wears the loss on his sleeves for all to see. Remarkable is the love of a man for his brother.
Norm Macdonald's Bob Uecker story has John Fogerty in it. Nice use of a thematic bridge in your content!
NORM!!!!!
Incedible how much amazing music was made in such a short time
CCR, what a band. Their music will never fade away.
Nice presentation. I remember when John was being sued for plagiarizing himself, and how incredibly insane it was. Imagine being on that jury? John boycotted his CCR songs for years, and I heard that Bob Dylan told John that if he kept refusing to play his old songs, people were going to start thinking of "Proud Mary" as an Ike and Tina Turner song.
After being sued himself, I thought Fogerty had a hell of a lot of nerve suing the Hollies for plagiarism for "Long Cool Woman." His "Old Man Down the Road" sounds a lot more like "Run Through the Jungle" than their song did to any of his stuff, yet he won his case. Unfortunately they caved.
I always thought it was because that was the version I dig
@@paulgentile1024 "We like to do things Rough!"
@@darkwitness2718 ahhhh!
People do just that.
Born in 1967 and raised on CCR, they are and he is the reason I love music and he play guitar. The first two songs I learned…. Bad Moon Rising and Proud Mary! Long live John Foggerty and CCR!
The resurgence of Fogerty in the 90s was incredible. His voice, his guitar, his writing could not be denied forever. He was screwed over by the system. Unfortunately his band mates could not realize they should ride the John Fogerty train.
Peace John and Tom...you brought joy, love and tears to my eyes as a 17 yr boy in Montana along with my friends..."Money doesn't change you, it unmasks you...no shit Saul"...words straight from the horses mouth.
I can honestly say that if I was in a band with a writer like John I would just thank God and hope I didn't mess up enough to get booted. I'd be happy to help in any way I could and happy to shut up and play also. I get that it's a sibling rivalry thing but I like to think I could get past it and recognize that John is a composer arranger of rare talent
Right?!
yeah but we haven't heard the side of the other guys. it sounds crazy the way they behaved but there had to be something john was doing that got under everybody's skin. Was he demeaning and belittling everyone? when you behave bad enough you can drive people to just want revenge against you. is that what happened to this band?
@@jimbeam-ru1my The others have given their versions of the story many times.
@@kerpin09 but not to us, the viewers of this youtube piece that focuses on John.
@@Blackadder75 and you could say the same about pieces that focuses on the others' version of events - ie that John's viewpoint wasn't presented. One needs to employ some medial literacy and come to their own conclusions
Been a fan of John and CCR since the beginning. The amount of timeless music CCR put out in such a short time was just phenomenal. I've seen John and his band several times now, but I sure do miss the 'Creedence sound'...CCR was tight and everything just clicked. Just a shame the good times couldn't have lasted a little longer.
100 years in the future. Ccr's music will be as much loved as it is today.
Never had a clue they had only lasted a few years, I was born in the 1980s, local radio played ccr all the time. My dad had cassettes of CCR, when I was a kid first learning guitar that’s all I wanted to play so it’s awesome to see the full story of the band. Still listen to CCR to this day and it stays in my iTunes list
I moved to the Philippines 7 years ago from South Florida. My Filipina wife heard CCR's greatest hits one day and now plays it on youtube every day. Same for Grand Funk Railroad........ 2 most frequently played artists at our house in manila.
Great rock band. Amazing that he feared being a one hit wonder, and despite the band being around for only four years they really did manage to reach classic rock status. Really enjoyed the video.
John Fogerty is like the Ralph Kiner of 60s rock. Ralph Kiner hit only 400 home runs, but he's in the Hall of Fame because his career was only ten years long.
I agree nobody sounded like CCR back in the 60's and still no band has to this day they had a unique organic sound and John had one of the greatest voices
i knew the basics of the long legal battles between John ad the rest of the band, but i did not know all these details about Saul or how bad the relationship was between John and Tom. this made me literally tear up at the end, John has written such amazing songs that have given so many of us happiness and he didnt even get to be there with his brother in his final days.
as a failed ungifted musician myself i have never been able to grasp people that end up in a band with a genuinely talented songwriter and cannot just be happy to go along for the ride and be supportive.
"Fortunate Son" may be the greatest Rock N Roll song of all time, and "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" is one of the most beautiful songs i have ever heard, then you have the scores of other great songs he has written. it is a shame that story doesnt have a happier ending. love you John.
Keep writing, keep playing, you don't fail until you quit :). Musical gifts are developed through practise and part chance.
It's because everybody in the band works their asses off, but only the writer really gets paid on the back end. Do you end up with one or two guys making a retirement income while the rest have menial labor helping them do it and nothing to show in between sessions.
@@stevecarter8810yeah but their work wouldn’t be worth a damn without the creative work of the writer. There’s a million great musicians out there, but truly great songwriters are far less common, and should be duly compensated for their worth. Whatever exact arrangement that requires depends on the specifics, but you cannot expect essentially a backing musician to make as much as the guy writing AND playing the music..
@@booognish while I broadly agree, different bands, different dynamics. What would Toto's Roseanna be without porcaro's choices on drums? Van halen's jump without the synth intro? 10cc's I'm not in love without the crazy production choices?
Prince reportedly cherry picked elements from extended jam sessions to make his signature sound, but took the credit and the royalties.
Touring takes its toll on every band member.
What started out as a bunch of guys taking on the world slowly gets divided by wealth distribution and total exhaustion.
Saw him live a few years ago. He still rocks as an old man after all this time and frustration.
This was a great documentary of John Fogerty and CCR. I enjoyed it immensely. Johns voice and his delivery can’t be taught it’s a god given talent. His song writing is something to be experienced and I would say to every new artist investigate this man of many talents and cover your ass when it comes to family, so called managers and well meaning friends. Money changes everything!!❤😊
You had me hooked with the norm video, and now you’ve knocked it out of the park a second time with this slick, informative, emotive doc about a band I didn’t know much about going in. This stuff is genuinely brilliant, can’t remember the last time I felt so glad to be a subscriber. Keep it up!
Wow-appreciate it! Glad you're here
Seconded!
@@StyrofoamBonfire I didn't realize that you're the one behind the Norm video too. Keep it up. This long form informational video format is exploding on CZcams, and you've got a knack for it.
Jesus! What an incredibly well-made and witty video. I wish I were this clever. The map, the green line merging into his mouth, the timing on quotes. Really well done. Makes me think someone should do a Creedence biopic. Makes me think YOU should.
I knew none of this. Listened to CCR a lot in high school and college. Great video, keep up the great work. You deserve many more subscribers, I have no doubt this channel will grow
Most excellent documentary & breakdown of CCR that I've ever seen & am glad you're uploaded it
As a lad from London the Louisiana type 'swamp rock' (as the critics derided it), was just a million miles from the other groups I grew up with (Beatles, Led Zeppelin, etc) - I never really fathomed as to "how" I came to love John Fogarty & CCR
But I did right from the opening riff of "Up Around The Bend" I was hooked - My first guitar riffs were emulating John Fogerty & George Harrison & rather surprisingly Steve Hackett - Became a lifelong CCR & John Fogerty fan as a result
How many great tubes we could have had if the band had stayed together! Fogerty is a genius. You can only dream.
You could see the pain in Tom’s at the end there and John still sounds great. Centerfield is one of my favourite albums
Certainly one of the greatest Rock Singers in History. Never mind top shelf songwriting and guitar playing.
For the record, the only two hit songs off of CCR’s last album, Mardi Gras, were both written and sung by John Fogerty. Sweet Hitch-Hiker reached #6 and Someday Never Comes reached #25. Never underestimate the power of human ego’s and greed to destroy something great. CCR could have been recognized up there with the greatest rock bands of all time, they were that great.
fogerty music after CCR is mostly crap.just a bunch of hired hands backing him up, no chemistry at all. no drummer can duplicate Cosmo's sound & feel.along with Levon Helm, one of the most identifiable drumming sounds ever. fogarty didn't teach Cosmo to play the drums. the CCR (revisited) lineup with Eliot Easton smokes any live shows fogarty ever played with CCR, or solo. Tom Fogarty started the band & never gets his due or respect. give john a big beach towel to cry on.🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
What's crazy is that it isn't "could have been recognized" but that they ARE recognized. Fogerty was just that good, that even with all of that he managed to propel his band to those heights in two years
@@lightdot459 I still have his solo career CD's and he's every bit as punchy as back then. Rock on Mr Fogarty!!!!!
@@theaustralianconundrum yeah one of my favorites from his is his Blue Moon Swamp album
He must have lacked the confidence to use session musicians for his entire career. He could have avoided all of the legal, professional, and emotional stress.
I was born in November of 1972 ,grew listening to CCR with my Dad and still to this day I love hearing them.
I was lucky enough to CCR at The Boston Garden in 1970, my first Concert. Richie Havens and Booker T and the MG's were the openers.
Amazing fact is that CCR never scored a number 1 single on the Billboard Hot 100! Instead they had 5 singles that reached number 2 (still a record I believe).
Beatles?
@@___---__ Beatles?! Read the book (Fortunate son) and learn!
I believe the Beatles had at least 5 songs at #2. Probably more. I could be wrong.
@@___---__ Read the book!
I was there when they started! My father bought me all my records back then and we'd have a ball letting the sounds rip from Dad's big ole stereo system he had then. GOOD TIMES!!!!!!!!
I grew up in the eighties, so CCR was and Is still played on the airwaves. I never knew this is what happened to the band. Very sad.
You are a great filmmaker. A producer and director. A great editor too. I know very few CCR songs. I didn't know about the story. I watched the whole video and searched for more songs. That Norm documentary has given me a great channel. Subscribed.
Appreciate it!
are you serious? the music is drowning over the info.
@@gordon9177 Non-optimal sound balancing doesn't negate the rest of the edit. This is still really tightly made
@@AndrewFullerton you are definitely lost.
The pinhead has opined today!
I remember growing open Dublin serving my apprenticeship at 16 and listening to CCR on the radio. Up Around The bend, Traveling band, Have You Ever Seen the Rain and Bad Moon Rising were the songs we would carry in our heads between trains and buses when possible as we walked everywhere.
Going to Bolton Street and looking in the record shop window and always front and center was Cosmos Factory.
We had little spendable currency but we had the real gold. Thank you John and thank you CCR.
CCR is one of those bands where you can just throw on a whole album and never have an urge to skip a song
Yes, John Fogerty was, and is Credence. His voice is unmistakeably
unique. I grew up in CCR' songs. I was amazed at his bayou songs, especially them being from the mountains of CA, but almost every time one of their songs came out, in that unmistakeable John Fogerty voice, it usually related to something in my life. Born in the Bayou Country in South Louisiana, half White, half Native, we immigrated to Chicago, IL...the inner city where I was raised by my Mom. Periodically, I'd return to LA for brief stays with kinfolk. "Just Got Home From Illinois..." Wow! That smacked me one, I had just got "home" from Illinois not even a week when I heard that song ! "People on the bayou are happy to give..." Another one. They just kept coming and I thought "These boys HAVE to be from Louisiana, or at least , a nearby State. " How did Mr. Fogerty capture our experiences on the Bayou ? He/they HAD to be from those areas to capture in song what it was like but then, they really weren't, which made their songs even more amazing. Then Arlo Guthrie came out with "Riding On The Train They call the City of New Orleans, Pulling Out of Kankakee (IL)." I rode that same train from Kankakee to New 'Awlins a number of times. All of these songs were weird because they hit me where I was at. Thanks for all the great music. Good times
Amo a Fogerty, toda su música es magia. Su voz especial. Talento para componer
Yo Quiero Taco Bell
Can someone explain to be how so many cookie-cutter content creators with no soul or talent have millions of subs while this guy who clearly puts his heart and mind into his work delivering such amazing works of art in the form of history lessons only has 18k?
Wtf CZcams, recommend this channel to more people ffs!
most people are stupid and watch stupid mindless content. it's not a very uplifting conclusion, but in my opinion it's sad but true
I know! This is well produced. I looked up expecting to see millions of subs it's THAT professionally done
The age of the channel. When you wrote this, they were not even a year old. It's that simple. I'd you are.not a CZcams yet and jump in and put out the best content you can, expect less than 3 millions views a year without paying for advertising. You do know that the channels that hit so fast pay for it right? Anyone can pay to have any video recommended. Organically though, this is it. You have to put time in. They are doing just fine. Their numbers are impressive.
Yeah!
Maybe because He thought CCR was only around for 2 years ....
Great mini doco. So well made. Thank you.
I still play his songs to this day on guitar with many different musicians and they all remember the tunes straight away.
Thank you J.C. Fogerty!!
"the most interesting thing is that these events happened at all" - - That's quite a line my man, 2nd vid of yours I watched today.. Absolutely brilliant. I never knew this much into the story and strangely enough the articles I'd read had kind of painted John in a bad light.. At least it seemed that way. The way it's explained here.. I completely get what John was doing..
This is phenomenal. Been a fan since birth (possibly in the womb)
My favorite part of The Big Lebowski was him playing CCR
Thank you so much for creating this & sharing it. Very appreciated 🎁
Many many blessings 💓
Outstanding interview and video. Thank you 🤘❤️🇺🇸
I'm just glad John was able to get back to doing what he does best. He's made so much amazing music since the early 70s.
WOW! I was a Creedence fan since 1969 when I went into the Marines. Green River was my favorite because it was popular before I left for Boot Camp at Parris Island. My girlfriend and I was wading through a stream and we sat on some rocks, dangling our feet in a pool and the song was rolling through my mind. When I left Camp LeJeune after Infantry Training Regiment, I had to change buses at Breezewood, Pa. and a Creedence song was playing in the Restaurant where I had lunch. Up until now, I never knew there was so much turbulence in that group! SAD! Thanks for the OUTSTANDING video on the group!
Damn, that's cool, l lived by a marine base in '69, Koneohe, now l live by the Green River in Kentucky. I've always been a fan of CCR
@@jakeroberts7435 Hi neighbor, Owensboro native here!👍✌️
@@kennyhuskisson2684 Hey, I'm a transplant, only been here a couple years, looks like its going to be my Alamo. I'm in Bacon Creek, they changed the name to Bonnieville for some damn reason. Bacon Creek, a town named that is pretty high up in the cool factor, my opinion.
Thanks for your service, from another fmr Marine
@@johndenugent4185 Thank you for your service brother! Semper Fi!
CCR’s music really endured. I’ve never seen the whole story put together like this. Also love all the old Conan Clips.
This was quite enjoyable to watch. Can't wait to see what else you do.
Interesting to hear about CCR.
I had it wrong for 50 years, thanks for setting the record straight.
I’m just old enough to remember when Creedence Clearwater Revival was the biggest act in all of pop music. They OWNED the charts, the airwaves, and for a while, The Beatles. Their music stands proud today.
As a video guy, this is incredibly well made. Simply perfection you could even say.
Appreciate it!👍
Much appreciated the video sir!
wow, this video is incredibly well made. Enjoyed every minute!
Beautifully done, once again. I was just re-watching your Norm video yesterday, which is my favourite. Nice to see Norm make an appearance in this one too.
Thank you for all your hard work. Excited to see what you do next.
One of the greatest bands ever. I had always heard that it was John's ego that was the issue glad to finally hear his side of it. During his Fortunate Son tour a bit back, my wife and I got to see him live, still to this day one of the best performers hands down.
Yep. I always heard the same. That he had a huge ego and didn't treat his band members right. This video made me see it differently.
Great you got to see him in concert!
@@joycebrackbill3577that's what I heard but that was all just jealousy and sour grapes talking
Great video thanks for making it
Great video! Thanks!
It is really very very nice to see people coming together and creating GOOD content on whatever interests them, what stories have we heard because of it. This was a great video, and I am sure there will be more. We are mere people who are just a form of energy- when we die the energy doesn't, so we just decay. What gets lost is the many stories, memories and incidents that moved us through our lifetimes, kept us going for more, and fascinated us through its course. I hope one day I tell stories like this too, it was a pleasure to watch this. Thank You
That book of his must be adventurous!
Great vid btw, amazed by your ability to construct and tell a story with and without many clips or your own storytelling.
😢 that last song had me in tears , brilliant man . Thank you for this documentary it was amazing . Really enjoyed it , subscribed
Amazing content. 👏 Keep up the good work!
Damn this was a well made video in every aspect. Please make more!
Excellent content, editing and information. Love it!
Nice work on this, looking forward to more videos from you. CCR was a big part of my childhood, not much into them now that I'm older (probably just burned out on em) but they were huge at their peak and it was well deserved
Thanks! Yeah I’m a very surface level fan so it was shocking uncovering what happened to them/John
really good video. would love to see more music history videos
Thanks so much for this video!!!
I loved when ”Green River” came out and played Creedence so much back then and then they just disappeared for me and back then I didnt have time to investigate the story,and I been wondering so many years what happened.
Thanks for this great video! It took me 40 years before I focusen a bit on CCR!
John is a fabulous musician!
The amount of work you put into your videos really shows. The editing, the pacing, the footage you use, the casual narration style (I’m a big fan of you not trying to sound like what you think a narrator sounds like), the soundtrack, etc. It’s all very good. I love your videos. I look forward to following the channel for years.
I appreciate it!👍👍
I'm a casual CCR fan too, but never knew about any of this. I came here from the Norm video, who is my all-time favorite comedian, and I'm glad I stuck around because the videos continue to be professional, well-researched, original, and engaging.
I still love to listen to CCR at 70 years old! My home room teacher in high school let us hang some massive speakers on the classroom’s back wall. And we listened to CCR before heading out to our classes every morning! How cool was that!! 👌👍
Great video. Thanks.
I think John's guitar playing gets overlooked a bit too, some of his solo's are pretty crafty
What happens when you don't realise you are just a drummer or just a bass player, and that's fine, it should be enough. Sometimes you're lucky to be in the presence of genius, just enjoy it and don't be consumed by jealousy
Your editing is fantastic.
WOW WOW WOW ! what an AMAZING atory but really what an AMAZING video, so catching and well edited!!!
His music was and continues to be the soundtrack of my life. Many thanks.
Idem idem
Tom was my neighbor. His son Jeff and I are the same age and were friends. I never understood what the issue was as to why he quit till now. Nicely done. Thanks for posting
What were they like?
@@rolfanderson3925 I was in High School and Jeff and I with some other friends partied like rock stars. His Dad Tom was very nice and totally engaging. I'd say down to earth
This was the best CCR video essay I’ve seen on this site.
Top notch editing!
Incredible talent and band. Still a loyal fan after 50 years
CCR was my intro to rock. My aunt worked in a small town record store, and 'Down On the Corner' was the song I heard first. The record store closed before I was old enough to shop there tho. I bought my first album when I was 14 and it was CCR's 'Live In Europe'. I bought my second album at the same time and it was Grand Funk Railroad's 'We're an American Band'. I can't say which is my favorite. I love them both. For some reason, I thought I was 13 when I bought them, but their release dates say it can't be so.I had to be 14.
Outstandingly Good Video !! Ty !!
I’m 65, and a CZcams documentary junkie. This is another #1 hit ! Wow!
“Money doesn’t change you, it unmasks you.”
- Saul Zantz
I went back and listened to all the ccr songs I could find. They were all great ! John your lack of ego back in the day may have prevented you from seeing the truth for a long time. My respect for you and your talent is immense. Thanks for all the great sounds!
@@dukeford8893 Why?
One correction: John Fogerty played CCR songs live for the first time in 15 years in 1987 (not 1997 as indicated).
It was for an audience of Vietnam War vets, during a benefit concert broadcast on HBO as “Welcome Home Vietnam.”
That is true though the tour that began in 97 or 8 was the first time he extensively integrated a large number of CCR songs into his concerts.
Vets probably would have been piffed, that was the soundtrack of their war
Correct!!! And it was awesome.
@@roberthill799 Not stated in the documentary is that Stu and Doug had formed CCRevisited and were playing the songs John had refused to play. So to undermine them, he began playing the CCR songs again. While John absolutely is the main talent in the group, he's no angel in this mess either.
Great video. I knew the broad strokes of the story, but you did a great job on the details.
Sadness...great report Styro. Would have never known
What a beautiful rendition of that song in the end.
Another incredible video I've always loved when their music comes on the radio never knew the story though 😢. Keep it up, Happy 4th of July!
Appreciate it! 🎆 Yeah casual fan too and just heard this story last month
Amazing documentary, truly amazing.