Question: Is It Better to have a High GPA or Experience to Get a Job in Tech?
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2014
- I'm glad to be one of your followers, and I may say one of your students too.
Anyway, I'm a second year student at the department of Computer Enginnering. I got a question in my head and I've been trying to find an answer for so long. Actually I'm a hardworking student that care so much about his GPA and so I really study a lot. Unfortuanatelly, this way I can't find much time to look for other stuff that help me in developing myself and increase my knowledge my experience in the technology field and which I believe it is so important. So the big question is "Should I care for my GPA more? or should I focus on increasind my knowledge and experience?
(Knowing that recentely I've been searching for internship programs and I found that a high GPA is also recommended in some programs.)
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This true for any field someone is in! I made the tough decision to stay in my field of work and go to school at the same time thus forcing my GPA to drop from a 3.8 to a 3.0. I almost quit my job to focus on raising my GPA, but I am glad I didn't, most employers, don't even care about my GPA once I present my work accomplishments to them in an interview.
I have graduated with first class bachelors degree at University. I had really tough time finding decently paid programming job, because I had 0 experience. All my efforts went into University. Took me about 4 months to get a decent job as Software Engineer, and only because I was recommended by a friend. Experience is essential to have.
You are a badass, i'm glad I found your channel...It's inspirational and reminds me to keep hustling in school.
Yeah, why not both. I did co-op in college. (Biochemistry) So one semester of work, one semester of school, 3 rotations and you have 1 year of experience, plus money! Each rotation my grades got better and I was able to retain more to apply to work.
Grades get you past HR, experience gets you through the interview.
Thank you so much for this video Eli. I'm a lot more calmer now!
Thank you for putting time out for this awesome video :)
Absolutely love your views on this! Great video, short and straight to the point.
8:07 did you just shart yourself?
Tofu no shit, :P
this is the 2nd video i've seen of him farting and acting like nothing happened. LMAO
Got a partial degree, couldn't be bothered with the math at the time. Experience and reputation alone are what gets me hired. LOVE to code and I can safely say.... "I can grind" :)
awesome awesome awesome.......literally thank you so much for this video, it helps me a lot!
can't believe i didn't subscribe until now :P
8:45 "in your educational program,....you're getting taught by unionized teachers that genuinely argue against the concept of accountability"...................
Brilliant! Well said.
Showing you know what to do and how to do it is far more important than a GPA. I studied Physics and dropped out of in the 6th semester to run my own startup. I have since then been recruited by big and small companies; like Amazon, IBM, Accenture to name a few. They didn't care about my degree they cared about the work I'd done.
My current approach: kill my grades at uni (1 sem down: success), and learn in the holidays languages and do projects.
That my strategy. I got a 3.61 GPA my first semester of freshman year and made a random vocabulary generator in Java. During the upcoming summer of my sophomore year if I don't get an internship or get into the summer research programs I applied to I'm working on making an android app or doing something with Python.
My Portfolio has gotten me far more recognition than my degree.
I have a BE degree in Computer Science. Mostly I get carried out watching Machine Drawings and try to work on those designs. Any advice for me ??
I'll try to do both I think it's possible
Very well said Eli!
QUESTION: I didn't see you talking about ITL framework, its deep, most companies follow it, it has grown very large, have you had a chance to dig into ITIL framework?
I only got A’s in stuff I cared about such as astronomy , computers, and French
My attention is lost really easily. The education systems ideas to teach me crap I don't need instead of the crap I want and need really annoy me. I'm going for computer science and engineering because I enjoy it. Most of the time. Literature on the other hand, I couldn't give too shits about. It's crazy difficult for me to read a book I'm not interested in. I'll forget what I read by the time I get to the bottom of a single page because I start thinking about something else. Math and engineering I'm doing really well. I was barely able to pass high school with a D average.
CLEP and other "testing out" strategies are your friends. For the stuff you hate (like government, history, humanities), test out, get the credits for about $30/credit, it won't affect your GPA and move right along.
This was me. I made Ds in stuff i have no interest in and made straight As in stuff i cared about. You might have ADHD. I do and struggled in high school because of it.
I think the bigger problem is when R in larger companies are ether the gate keeper, or even final decision makers. So really need to decide what size of company you want to work for also. A mid size non-technology company or lower would probably hire on experience. Where a large non technology company would more than likely nto even interview with out the paper.
It's been my experience that having a decent GPA opens the doors to some higher level internships. For example, if you wanted an internship at At&t, you had to have a minimum 3.2 GPA. And if you got an internship at At&t, you can imagine the doors that it opens up for you in your career field. Don't do the whole one or the other thing. Find the right balance between your studies and your work experience.
7:56 I agree totally. I am 37 just finishing my Physics degree, which I deliberately tortured myself through to become a programmer/statitcian. Its just that, those people are looked at first. The A, people, they really have to mess it up in order to let me in. Personally coming from the service, I had to break so many bad habits that prohibited me from doing well. Book worms and service guys are polar opposites and usually don't like each other, but we both suck in my opinion.
F. excellent!
why not try for both!
That GPA thing might be starting to change then because I am starting to see employers put the "GPA" field on some of their applications. Mind you, this is for easily replaced type jobs; which I find kind of sad.
Hey, I love your videos, they are very interesting. I want to know, would you rather hire a PhD with no experience or Bachelor's with 5 years experience? Thanks.
Ameen Al-Kaisi Bachelor with 5 years of experience.
They have experience, learnt skills on the job and would have towards a goal under certain pressure.
A phd is nice but theoretical experience doesn't mean it transfers practically. phd students arent in an environment of stress, deadlines and profit where they could have learnt interpersonal skills, industry experience or how a workplace works.
Having said that, having some work experience after a phd never hurts. Employees would more be worried if you're not ready for their environment if youre just freash out of doing a phd. however you tac on 6-24 months of work, an employer looks and could see you're ready for work, since you've been working.
Ameen Al-Kaisi bachelor all the way. It isn't matter about your study, what's matter that you can do the job well.
People with 5 years experience, are already encounter a lot more bugs, develop a lot more application, facing a lot of problems, than PhD one.
what should I do
8:23 LOL SO -FFFFING TRUE
Hi Eli!
You mention that you need to be "built" for this field (IT).. I am going into Information Systems this coming fall for university. Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by being built for the field? What type of individuals are better fit ? What kind of thinking process? etc.. Thank you!
James Ryan In my experience you have to like to solve problems and continue to learn. If you're lazy and you want to just learn a job once and run through the same process every single day then programming is not for you. If you like to learn new technologies and solve problems using those new technologies and do new things every day then programming is for you. I disagree with Eli in this video though, he makes it sound like if you suck at programming out of college when you don't have any experience then no one is going to care and your job is going to be miserable, this has not been the case in my experience. Every mid level programmer and senior programmer I've met have been very helpful and has been happy to help you figure out how to program in an enterprise environment, you just have to be willing to learn the concepts rather than have the seniors do it for you.
Sir can I get admission in good universities for masters in petroleum in USA or Canada with 7.5 / 10 CGPA in bachelors
The teachers and standardized test situation I went to a school where at least 75% of people there didn't want to be there or would try on their test. That is why the school was doing bad was because the students didn't care. Who should be held accountable in that situation?
Tyler Rousey The students, put up with the BS for awhile. If you have a good teacher you'll be alright. A good teacher makes it seem like it doesn't matter if it's standardized
I feel that I may have unique problem, but it also may not be as unique as I think it is. I have about 15 years of experience but no formal education, I can't get employers to take me seriously. This has forced me into part time IT/consulting work while I do masonry full time. How can I market myself to employers so that they take me seriously when I tell them I have the skills that I say I have?
portfolio bro
Research career or professional career?
If your in College aim for the A+ in all your classes, that will make sure you end up with high GPA upon graduating. It will also open opportunities for you own its own.
I think what you're saying is correct, there is a few caveats. Especially if you're younger, this does not apply to older people necessarily. Grades are still important . After graduation when looking for work- reason being getting through HR gatekeeper nothing else. so . If your GPA is less then 3.2 , then you're going to struggle to get an interview in some respects.
And of course with that kind of grade reasonably respected school. but , but in the main.... Experience will trump lol get it trump
it depends on the country if you live in socialist country High GPA is very important
Most countries in socialist they tend to be taller than average person capitalist countries. The average men in Colombia is around 6 feet tall & average women in Colombia around 5 feet 6 in height
I have a horrible gpa and I'm in electrical engineering but I could care less because I would rather learn the material and gain knowledge than be some teachers pet and write bullshit essays out my ass without proper structure to the paper. I like to put meaning into everything I do or I might as well not do it at all.
That's not how it works, though. For instance, you just proved yourself you don't care enough to do the work or put in time and effort into the work.
how to get experience
Hey Eli,
I would like to ask a question. I have a extensive knowledge in computers and their languages. As someone going into high school next year I don't 100% know what I want to do in life. I know I love every aspect of technology. What are some helpful places to not only get hands-on experience but also gain real life knowledge of the best paying and frequently needed jobs?
Learn Web App Development or Go for the A+ to find out Do You like Hardware Side of IT
I have built many computers and fixed many devices. I love programming and pen testing but can't get enough knowledge to be great. I want to get better but don't know where to learn. Have any ideas?
Iraklis pe Thanks for you reply, after posting this I ended up learning all the c languages and python but I don't know what path I want to take. Do you thing I should become a system administrator or a penetration tester. Thx
penetration tester , STAY Away, Become a Web Developer
Jimmy a Geek Thanks for your advice but out of curiosity why do you say that?
"What you have to understand is. . . " -Eli
What you have to understand is that sometimes the things you say are a bit BSy lol, and I know that may be tough to admit. I can concede that the GPA factor doesn't reflect much in the tech world but in other professions it certainly does. I've met various 4.0's who were top notch on what they did, from economics, to chemical engineering.
I heard you in another video giving advice to someone to go to the medical field because he's like 38 or 48 years old or something. "Medical in a heartbeat". And in that same video I believe, and in this one too, you said that "the thing about our field is that if you don't like what you're doing, it's a miserable field" (paraphrasing). Well take my word for it (dare I say, from a 20 something year old) when I say this, but if you're not absolutely committed to the medical field you will also be intensely miserable as well. Crazy right? It's these little things. Sometimes they're not well thought out.
Well, this video is regarding the tech field...
Erick Aparicio but this a tech channel mainly for computer science and computer engineering so.... yeah
Clearly a 4.0 grade doesnt give you better deduction skills.
i hate gba .....experiance ....skill ...profesion is what u need not hight score
Highly functional autistic males is the best description of the programmer stereotype! :)))
judgmental prick
From my experience, GET BOTH!
Work hard in your university to get high GPA, and in the summer get an internship to increase your experience, DON'T go for a summer semester!
Why does anybody thinks that he has an answer worth listening?
Because he is, in fact, right about most things