If you're a mid team and you have to rest your best player, it often means you will lose the game. If you're a mid team and you have to rest your main supporting players, it often means you will lose the game. So the best option is resting everybody at the same time and losing only one game instead of 2.
@@6ftstick Sure this is a valid take. My only issue with this is that it has to be stated ahead of time. If you're a fan, who like me, doesn't make a lot of money. Then buying a ticket to an NBA game, only to have EVERYONE SIT, is disgusting. The issue then is that if you say it ahead of time, what's stopping the other team from resting most of there players? I bought a single ticket to an NBA game last year because I'm poor. Only to have all the stars I want to see sit, even though I had tried to buy a ticket to dodge this, it wasn't a back to back, it was just 'near' the end of the year. Being like a full month out from play offs. I probably won't buy tickets ever again. Well, unless I become rich.
If you are poor or money wise, stay at home and watch the game! Seriously, I can afford ticket but I won't spend crazy money when watching at home is enjoyable as well. I am not rich but I am not stupid either. Not saying you are, we all spend money as we like.
True, but normally do, but I did go once with my family to try to get them into it, and the only game I went to, which cost me over $300 for three nosebleeds tickets and parking had multiple benched or play less then 10 minutes when I was told they'd play a regular amount lol@@rc....
Either way doesn't really matter. Just a really frustrating situation for me. My family might've gotten into basketball, but the player I was hyping up only played about 8 minutes, and my sister was constantly like where is he on the court? And I was just sitting there like uh... he'll be back on soon.
I'm with the Nets. The season last 82 games, and the bottom players in the rotation need playing time to develop. The commissioner and the few fans who care about this need to get over it.
The season has been 82 games for decades. Lots of great players played every single game and won championships. These are athletes in their 20s and 30s. The idea that it's just too much for them is something somebody who's never been involved in high level athletics would think up.
@@JoeJoe-lq6bd The NBA has never been played at this level of intensity. And, at any rate, the teams and their medical staff have better knowledge than the fans or the commissioner.
Good for the Nets. You're playing a back-to-back and one of the best teams in the league, and there are a crap ton of games left to play. Might as well rest your players to keep them fit for some of the other games against teams you are more likely to beat
It was a winnable game until the fourth and people paid money to see that. I will not go to or watch a Nets game on TV if I think they're gonna pull something like that.
I think I’m a different type of fan. I loved this. This was a middle of the pack team trying out a bunch of younger guys in real minutes vs a tough team. I would loved to see them do this more. Really define their rotation.
i like it too but it feels like the nets gifted the game to rest and or tank. even if they just played briges a bit more or they didnt put out the worst team they possibly can. fans and bettors getting upset is one thing but dont piss off your stars
I watched European football and clubs rotate their teams all the time to keep the players fresh. It is seldom that teams would field the exact team two games back to back. There is always 2-3 changes everytime.
The main Problem is that back to backs exit, they are not good for anyone, not the players, not the fans and not the League. Just finally shorten the ridiculously long off-season, start the season in early September and stretch out the games to eliminate back to backs. That is good for everyone, less injuries for the players, more national tv slots for the League. Even if you start the season in september most teams still have 5 Months!!! off-season, which is absolutely ridiculous if you compare that to any other sport outside of the US.
Why is the off season considered long? NFL off season is over double that, and MLB off season is also a bit longer than the NBA. The actual issue is just having 82 games in the regular season, which we know is a bad product. Yes the NBA loses revenue with less games, but it’s a change that needs to happen eventually.
@@enigmafiresup4658 You only compare it to US sports, if you look at soccer or any other popular sport in the world, off-seasons are usually maximum 8-10 weeks and even within those few weeks all the international tournaments happen.
@@enigmafiresup4658 Why would you compare it to Football or Baseball then, also completely different:) There is no need for most teams to have a 6 month off-season, to then force 82 games into a short window if you can just start the season 6 weeks earlier and stretch out the schedule. It is actually even proofen that the long off-season is a not positive factor for an athletes health, i am struggling to find another reason than competing with NFL and College football for viewership and that should not be a reason.
Trendon Watford is undrafted. He got released by the Blazers because he was trying to win games. The Blazers were tanking and losing on purpose, and Watford didn't conform to team strategy.
Nothing wrong with playing the rookies against Vets like bucks, Nets are looking to trade pieces so this makes sense for them to see which rookies/gleague can fill the roles
As someone who really got into basketball during the pandemic, and came from watching football/soccer, the NBA has too many games. Based on quick google searches and calculations, NBA players cover around 2 miles per game, while a Premier League player covers around 5. But the NBA plays 82 games, often back-to-back while the Premier League plays 38 games and maximum two games a week, most often 1. According to my quick calculations they end up covering around the same amount of distance, but the NBA players are doing it with less rest, and much more intensely while jumping, turning quickly, etc much more often than in football. The stress on their bodies must be huge, NBA “iron men” are superhuman. And this isn’t even taking in to account the fact that having 82 games means that some will become unimportant, which is why they rest. My two cents are that they should shorten the season to around 60-70, maybe have everyone play each other twice while having the teams from the same division play each other 3 times? Also making divisions actually matter again with some kind of incentive to actually win them plus the IST would be a great step to not make the regular season feel like one long boring session of waiting for the playoffs to start
So. What. Coach’s Decision. The Team Manager. Who is paid to make these decisions. There are no laws that protect bettors or rules that state ticket buyers are guaranteed to see starters for 25minutes. This is actually great strategy because if Nets were to see Bucks in the Playoffs then they would have as many reps to learn them at full strength & also builds up your bench getting them reps, who as we see were holding their own. The Nets are in great shape and are sleepers in the East; highly doubt they are throwing games for any feasible reason. All of this could have been said in 2 sentences, like this video could have been wrapped up in 2 minutes. 🤷🏿♂️
@@deepvoicedude4749 probably that they got to rest their players without technically breaking any rules in the CBA, although based on what happened to the Mavs when they tried a similar thing last (except much more egregious seeing they knew a draft pick was on the line), the Nets will likely get fined for this too
I have been watching NBA for 20 over years and I still don’t understand why NBA schedule back to back games? This is the reason why teams rest/sit out/load management their starters and rotation players. Can’t blame them. Circumstance forced them. So instead of NBA penalising these teams, they should instead schedule games the entire season with at least one off day in between games.
Coal miners: work every day Pampered divas: can only work thrice a week for not even the full 48mins of a game We're talking about the masses, of who most don't play 30mins per game... OMG, the workload.
Weirdly, last week I happened to be glancing at some stats, and I noticed that the Warriors have won like 80% of second games in back-to-backs this year, while overall being like a .500-ish team. IDK just a random thing I noticed.
58 games is a little low. Maybe play 2 games vs the 25 teams not in your division, and 4 games against teams in your division for a total of 66 games? Maybe 4 extra random games on top of that to get the total to 70, which feels like the right number. That would allow you to eliminate B2Bs and limit each team to 3 games per week
All they doing is giving the young guys an experience in the nba level, it’s not like they gonna play them for the rest of the season, and theres plenty of season left to play so why not let the young guy get some experience
As an European still find it weird how Americans go to arena to see a particular player first and not support the team. We go and are happy to support our team regardless of who plays as a starter or at all.
The NBA needs to restrict back-to-backs to two games between the same teams in the same city like Spurs-Blazers in Portland this past Thursday and Friday.
If the nba wants to prevent teams from resting Players they should decrease the number of games or at least not increase the number of games even further (in season tournament/Play in). If there are less games there is more interest in the remaining games. If your team isn’t playing multiple times a week you possibly find time to watch other games and expand your involvement around the league.
I don’t understand why do they really really need to win specifically this ONE game out of the 82??? Get over it. It was a strategic rest day. This one game ain’t making some HUGE difference.
I don't blame teams for resting guys on back to backs, I blame the league for scheduling back to backs. We don't need 82 games bro. People don't even start really trying till after All-Star.
The NBA is NOT about the championship. It's about entertaining the fans. I didn't come to see see 2 guys on 2-way contracts and 2 guys on 10 day contracts play 30 minutes.
Them guys on 2-way contracts were busting the bucks up for 3 quarters. The nets thread on reddit was nothing but good vibes. We're happy to see Jalen Wilson, Noah Clowney and keon Johnson doing work against elite competition
@@shaolin6150 so if the top 9 players weren't gonna play 75% of the game and it was the only game you got to see live that year, you wouldn't be pissed? I love Keon (Vol fan) but come on.
@@hunterking6033 dude it's just one game. Calm your tits. If it becomes every game then I understand your point. This nets team needs somerhing new because Mikal and cam aren't cutting it. I watched almost every game for the past 25 years, so I know we definitely need some change in our rotation. Only time I miss some games was when I went to boot camp.
Few years back, Nets used G-League players ON THE SAME DAY as G-League games... So it's possible to play twice on the same day... but also, back-to-backs are bad...
Well there are two entities at play here and both have different jobs to fulfill. One: the NBA management team that insures the fans get a well deserved spectacle form players and Two: the coaching staff which it's main job is to make sure that they have the best chances of fulfilling the team's goals, may it be get to the playoffs or go late in the playoffs or win it all. Clearly the coaching staff was in it for the long run by making sure there players are healthy. Sure that's a lot of players out but if that's what they thought was necessary for the team, well I guess go for it. Now as for the NBA management, this definitely didn't look good for the fans and viewers but we have to separate what the job description is. Coaching staff are all for the best interest of the players and the NBA management are for the fans. So in terms of fulfilling the roles, none did anything wrong.
I mean, the game wasnt really a blowout for the nets while relying on the 3rd string of players ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ the bucks just scored a ton of 3's at the end and the nets couldn't follow suit the whole game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they even took the lead a couple times in the 3rd quarter...
But yeah, considering the nets' current roster and stats, it basically wasnt like the normal nets team was out there. So, i guess if you wanted to watch the current nets' brand of basketball, you werent going to get that
Does NBA care about players health? Nope, just wants money. If they really want their players to be healthy and play more games, they should stop assigning b2b games.
I get it for fans and ticket sales and stuff, but you can’t force people to tell you who is going to play. There’s an element of surprise for a good coach in creating their rotation.
Im not gonna lie, I don't see the issue. It's not like anyone on the nets were gonna win a huge award anyway, and besides, aren't people a fan of the team, not just the starters. I get if people are mad at tanking, but that isnt what they were doing here clearly. If you want this to happen, maybe you should answer thr question of why teams would want to do this in the first place, but hey maybe that's just me. 😅
As you said in the video is this kind of what we have to deal with now? Is the priority health/saving guys for bigger games or is it pleasing fans who bought tickets? It should be about the fans but thats not who players/teams are trying to please anymore. Is it a problem for a top team to rest some players throughout the season and if theyre rested and win the title was it because of the rest during the season? So many variables
The NBA is broken now. Guys used to strive to play every game and even used to play 3 games back to back. The players now are not only soft and prima donnas but teams and players are more concerned with ways to game the system in order to win a championship than just going all out and playing. We see this with the Superteams and load management as well as other strategies of this era. Standards have been lowered, the product suffers and the fans suffer.
Would you have that same energy if you were playing in the nba. It's easy to say when you on the outside looking in. You're not in these guys shoes to say they are soft etc.. when they got to tavel after playing late games on they home court. If the body doesn't get rest you feel drain & tired. These guys do deserve some rest, they're not robots!!
@@mezzb I appreciate your point of view. When I look at guys like Jokic and even AD, I don't think these guys run around that much relative to guys like Ralph Samson, Hakeem and others. Some would argue that the switching defense and zones of today allow for less strain on the body and there is less physicality all together.
So then if bridges then just comes of the bench on the "rest" day instead of being a starter is that okay or just another loophole; is the NBA going to tell the team he has to start? Or what if they get in foul trouble and they don't make the 25 minutes, is the team then punished, or do refs have to not call fouls against starters to keep them out of foul trouble?
I dont the problem. It's important to know what players you can trust againist a top team in crucial minutes. Teams need to evaluate the bottom of the bench which they cant do easily throughout the year.
The NBA takes it's fans for granted. I'm kind of glad NBA ratings are in the toilet, hopefully the owners realize something is wrong. Unfortunately a lot of people are blaming BLM for the ratings being down when, in actuality, it's the product on the court (plus many players aren't likable).
Honestly speaking the tv ratings for nba does not matter as they been doing great throughout streaming services. I mean for example from China they are getting 600 million unique viewers and their revenue is only going up. Even in Europe the NBA streaming is doing great due international superstars. Like for example Laker are getting a lot of view from Japan due to rui. Nba has reached the premier league level where the international rights to games are giving them more money than their national rights.
What about the effect this has on individual player stats? If guys are playing, but aren't getting minutes, then these would suffer wouldn't they? A few games with big minutes, often gives the role, back up, and younger players an opportunity to up their averages, iii the Nets tried this too often they'd potentially get a player revolt on their hands wouldn't they?
They need at least 1 starter ir one six man at all times. I think thats the answer. Load management is one thing but If players are injured there's literally nothing you can do to heal them but wait
Don't forget the Nets rested Kyrie for every home game for "not having the shot" Given the Durant kyrie Hardenfiasco and now Ben Simmons how can you blame this team for anything they do at this point.
The NBA plays far far too many games in too short a time period. 82 regular season games plus upto 28 playoff games in insane. Add in the fact that honestly most of the games end up being pretty inconsequential plus the reality that the only thing teams care for is the playoffs and you've got a recipe for uncompetitive uninteresting games that present a lot of risk to players and teams with little upside. The entire league needs reformatting if you want actual hard fought competition for every game.
Imagine being a Nets fan buying the tickets expecting to see Cam and others but then get to watch a bunch of nobodies. I don't care if the Nets seem smart or they found a loophole, I would be asking for a refund at that point.
If you're paying to see Cam you're not a Nets fan, you're a Cam fan. If you ask for a refund you shouldn't be able to buy another ticket ever again because you don't care about the team.
@@CharlesSweet "You ain't a fan of the team bruh" what the fuck is that bullshit. If your team's best players, not only players but entire LINEUP doesn't play for load management and there's only g-leaguers playing subpar basketball, especially if you bought a ticket to at least see players you recognize on court play, then you should be mad about that. Because you paid to see the Nets team play with their best available players. But right now you and the others defending this anti-fan experience are a bunch of bootlicking cock suckers for teams and players, encouraging them to give ticket holders a shitty experience.
Don't agree. It is what it is. And, they didn't do anything wrong. Your starters are just the players who start the game. Because it is normal to play big minutes as a starter does not mean it is required. That's my take.
Maybe teams you should try and learn to use their entire roster. Having the starters play only 5 minutes every quarter would make sense for back to backs. The fact is, they have peope on their rosters that they don't ever bring into the game. Learn to use your entire fucking roster.
The league is not going to care for the fact that the nets don't have a star player apart of this. And no star player will participate in just 12 minutes, which is going to affect their stats. The Nets rookies and G league players got to play a meaningful game to get meaningful experience. I can't fault J.V. for that.
One of the younger teams in the league with no real hope of competing for a championship this year and they’re gonna rest? The Nets do not matter enough to get away with this.
I remember paying to see a game and the player I most wanted to see play wasn't playing that night. That kinda sucked. It would have sucked slightly more if the rest of the best players didn't play. While you can call what the Nets did here anti-competitive, I don't think it's anti-competitive. It actually could be a good competitive strategy. Any of the following benefits accrue from this tactic: best players get needed rest, player development for bench players, confuse the opponent as they have probably not game planned for playing bench players. There are probably more strategic and/or tactical reasons for doing this. But if I paid to see (in person) NBA players play and instead saw this.....yeah I'd be more than disappointed.....
The only think that counts is the sport. Basically everything else is superfluous. However, if they're going to bring rules in, can they stop players walking all the time?
Omfg there is already a solution to load manage. Look at the NFL. They have less regular season games. No NFL stars were load managing because they play LESS GAMES. 82 games is too many games. If every team plays each other 2 times in the regular season, that’s 58 games. There you go, 58 games. That’s the right amount of games and I can guarantee less stars will load manage.
Agreed. Either play less games or stretch the season by at least 3 or 4 weeks (ideally 7 or 8). Off seasons in American sports are unreasonably long, it makes no sense from a sporting point of view (I'm assuming it's for financial reasons, probably to not have different sports competing with each other).
NHL is way more grueling than NBA, and there's never a rest day, a rest game. That game was pitiful, they should have given the fans their money back. Absolutely no defense was played, it was like an all-star game with no all-stars for the Nets. Of course the game was close at first, at no point did the Bucks feel like they were going to lose. What a disgrace.
Mavs did this last season at the end of the season They rest every starters other than luka and they only let him play for 1 quarter in a must win game Infuriating to see because its a must win game for play in spot, and yes mavs got fined for obvious tanking
it don't think it is about resting, but rather roster depth brooklyn has no decent picks in the next years brooklyn has dinwiddie, simmons and an underdeveloped cam thomas brooklyn right now is like washington wizards brooklyn maybe be using all resources they have to be finding "another cam thomas"
Cut the season to 72 games, remove back to backs. Don’t reward loosing, giving every team outside the playoffs the same draft odds. That’s a way better product
Good video, but the NBA needs to but out. The solution to this is to create a bigger incentive to play well for every reg season game - e.g. make the reg season shorter, or penalize teams that are below a certain spot/wins. All these rules about player ineligibility/fines are just non-effective because they are missing the point - if you are an 11 seed or below today, you have no incentive to win, even if you are in the play in you will lose in the first round. In every sport but in USA, the worst teams are relegated. In america, trams are rewarded by getting better odds to a potential superstar
@darrengordon-hill Nets core is Cam Thomas, Cam Johnson & Bridges. Net will decide what to do with Simmons or Claxton-one has to go. Finney or Royce need to be traded-Finney at the trade deadline will provide a higher trade value(preferably a pick). After watching the young guns against Milwaukee; we can see the Nets have great young talent... With a bevy of draft picks, the Nets have the assets to land a stud or two, or draft talent. The Nets are in great shape going forward...
How are people pressed about this, the more veteran players didn’t get their minutes so atleast they got starter status, might even affect salary etc? Fuck the fans and fuck the betting. Team comes first for the coach
Exactly, they take too much money from fantasy games, specifically FanDuel, as advertised on-court - prominently, to do have coaches doing stuff like this
If you're a mid team and you have to rest your best player, it often means you will lose the game.
If you're a mid team and you have to rest your main supporting players, it often means you will lose the game.
So the best option is resting everybody at the same time and losing only one game instead of 2.
valid take ngl
@@6ftstick Sure this is a valid take. My only issue with this is that it has to be stated ahead of time. If you're a fan, who like me, doesn't make a lot of money. Then buying a ticket to an NBA game, only to have EVERYONE SIT, is disgusting.
The issue then is that if you say it ahead of time, what's stopping the other team from resting most of there players?
I bought a single ticket to an NBA game last year because I'm poor. Only to have all the stars I want to see sit, even though I had tried to buy a ticket to dodge this, it wasn't a back to back, it was just 'near' the end of the year. Being like a full month out from play offs. I probably won't buy tickets ever again. Well, unless I become rich.
If you are poor or money wise, stay at home and watch the game! Seriously, I can afford ticket but I won't spend crazy money when watching at home is enjoyable as well. I am not rich but I am not stupid either. Not saying you are, we all spend money as we like.
True, but normally do, but I did go once with my family to try to get them into it, and the only game I went to, which cost me over $300 for three nosebleeds tickets and parking had multiple benched or play less then 10 minutes when I was told they'd play a regular amount lol@@rc....
Either way doesn't really matter. Just a really frustrating situation for me. My family might've gotten into basketball, but the player I was hyping up only played about 8 minutes, and my sister was constantly like where is he on the court? And I was just sitting there like uh... he'll be back on soon.
I'm with the Nets. The season last 82 games, and the bottom players in the rotation need playing time to develop. The commissioner and the few fans who care about this need to get over it.
Then just rest everyone before the game! Why list them as starters and play 10 minutes
@@SLExtra-xc4mv I'm pretty sure the league would get on their case about that, basically you can't win
The season has been 82 games for decades. Lots of great players played every single game and won championships. These are athletes in their 20s and 30s. The idea that it's just too much for them is something somebody who's never been involved in high level athletics would think up.
@@JoeJoe-lq6bd The NBA has never been played at this level of intensity. And, at any rate, the teams and their medical staff have better knowledge than the fans or the commissioner.
The pace in the 70s and 80s was actually much higher and there were way more possessions per game and way less advanced sports medicine
Good for the Nets. You're playing a back-to-back and one of the best teams in the league, and there are a crap ton of games left to play. Might as well rest your players to keep them fit for some of the other games against teams you are more likely to beat
thought about that aswell, good move.
I think it’s awful for the fans that paid money to see them
Comments like these are why NBA ratings are so awful lol. You are basically telling the fans to go fuck themselves.
They haven’t had a healthy roster all year how will they know if they can beat better teams if their players are never playing? So lame.
It was a winnable game until the fourth and people paid money to see that. I will not go to or watch a Nets game on TV if I think they're gonna pull something like that.
I think I’m a different type of fan. I loved this. This was a middle of the pack team trying out a bunch of younger guys in real minutes vs a tough team.
I would loved to see them do this more. Really define their rotation.
I think all teams should do this especially if they wanna develop young talent with potential or at least see what they're made of
When you put it this way, I’d probably try that too
It was fascinating because the bucks team wasn’t prepared for that group and it showed. They had to adjust a lot
To compete
i like it too but it feels like the nets gifted the game to rest and or tank. even if they just played briges a bit more or they didnt put out the worst team they possibly can. fans and bettors getting upset is one thing but dont piss off your stars
I watched European football and clubs rotate their teams all the time to keep the players fresh. It is seldom that teams would field the exact team two games back to back. There is always 2-3 changes everytime.
The main Problem is that back to backs exit, they are not good for anyone, not the players, not the fans and not the League. Just finally shorten the ridiculously long off-season, start the season in early September and stretch out the games to eliminate back to backs. That is good for everyone, less injuries for the players, more national tv slots for the League. Even if you start the season in september most teams still have 5 Months!!! off-season, which is absolutely ridiculous if you compare that to any other sport outside of the US.
The long off season allows players to recover from injury and it's the moment where they can improve the most.
Why is the off season considered long? NFL off season is over double that, and MLB off season is also a bit longer than the NBA.
The actual issue is just having 82 games in the regular season, which we know is a bad product. Yes the NBA loses revenue with less games, but it’s a change that needs to happen eventually.
@@enigmafiresup4658 You only compare it to US sports, if you look at soccer or any other popular sport in the world, off-seasons are usually maximum 8-10 weeks and even within those few weeks all the international tournaments happen.
@@cadrollhunting3564 Why would I compare NBA basketball to foreign sports? They're completely different,
@@enigmafiresup4658 Why would you compare it to Football or Baseball then, also completely different:) There is no need for most teams to have a 6 month off-season, to then force 82 games into a short window if you can just start the season 6 weeks earlier and stretch out the schedule. It is actually even proofen that the long off-season is a not positive factor for an athletes health, i am struggling to find another reason than competing with NFL and College football for viewership and that should not be a reason.
Trendon Watford is undrafted. He got released by the Blazers because he was trying to win games. The Blazers were tanking and losing on purpose, and Watford didn't conform to team strategy.
Cam Payne’s shooting form kills me every time 💀
Nothing wrong with playing the rookies against Vets like bucks, Nets are looking to trade pieces so this makes sense for them to see which rookies/gleague can fill the roles
I think it was a smart move, give young blood chances to shine and prove they are not accidentally in the league.
As someone who really got into basketball during the pandemic, and came from watching football/soccer, the NBA has too many games. Based on quick google searches and calculations, NBA players cover around 2 miles per game, while a Premier League player covers around 5. But the NBA plays 82 games, often back-to-back while the Premier League plays 38 games and maximum two games a week, most often 1. According to my quick calculations they end up covering around the same amount of distance, but the NBA players are doing it with less rest, and much more intensely while jumping, turning quickly, etc much more often than in football. The stress on their bodies must be huge, NBA “iron men” are superhuman. And this isn’t even taking in to account the fact that having 82 games means that some will become unimportant, which is why they rest. My two cents are that they should shorten the season to around 60-70, maybe have everyone play each other twice while having the teams from the same division play each other 3 times? Also making divisions actually matter again with some kind of incentive to actually win them plus the IST would be a great step to not make the regular season feel like one long boring session of waiting for the playoffs to start
They would never do that since that loses 💲💲💲
@@opiniononion100% true
yeah no
at the games pace they play double the games they did in the 2000s
They used to have 60 to 70 games before but they increased them to 82 which to me is insane.
Still better then a piston game 😅
True
nah ur so wrong for that😭
So. What.
Coach’s Decision. The Team Manager. Who is paid to make these decisions.
There are no laws that protect bettors or rules that state ticket buyers are guaranteed to see starters for 25minutes. This is actually great strategy because if Nets were to see Bucks in the Playoffs then they would have as many reps to learn them at full strength & also builds up your bench getting them reps, who as we see were holding their own. The Nets are in great shape and are sleepers in the East; highly doubt they are throwing games for any feasible reason. All of this could have been said in 2 sentences, like this video could have been wrapped up in 2 minutes. 🤷🏿♂️
Nets just found another loop hole
What were the previous loopholes they found?
Tbh the Mavs kinda started this at the end of last season when they played Luka 12 mins then rested him the rest of the game vs Chicago last year
They lost the game lol. What value does this loophole provide?
@@deepvoicedude4749 nothing it’s dumb that they did that am just saying they found a loop in the l load management rules
@@deepvoicedude4749 probably that they got to rest their players without technically breaking any rules in the CBA, although based on what happened to the Mavs when they tried a similar thing last (except much more egregious seeing they knew a draft pick was on the line), the Nets will likely get fined for this too
I have been watching NBA for 20 over years and I still don’t understand why NBA schedule back to back games? This is the reason why teams rest/sit out/load management their starters and rotation players. Can’t blame them. Circumstance forced them. So instead of NBA penalising these teams, they should instead schedule games the entire season with at least one off day in between games.
Logistics🤦🏿♂️
How long until players bitch "one day isn't enough rest"?
Coal miners: work every day
Pampered divas: can only work thrice a week for not even the full 48mins of a game
We're talking about the masses, of who most don't play 30mins per game... OMG, the workload.
Weirdly, last week I happened to be glancing at some stats, and I noticed that the Warriors have won like 80% of second games in back-to-backs this year, while overall being like a .500-ish team. IDK just a random thing I noticed.
Don't forget that some teams had the luck of playing 4 games in 5 days.
Teams should be allowed to do what they want - play players whenever they feel like it and in whatever arrangement they feel like.
Basically.
The problem is not resting the players, the problem is the 82 games... should be 2 games between each teams
58 games is a little low. Maybe play 2 games vs the 25 teams not in your division, and 4 games against teams in your division for a total of 66 games? Maybe 4 extra random games on top of that to get the total to 70, which feels like the right number. That would allow you to eliminate B2Bs and limit each team to 3 games per week
Imagine paying to go to Barclays and you don't see your starters after the 1st quarter lol At least they saw Giannis play.
I thought people went to the stadium/arena/etc to support their team, not to play tourist.
All they doing is giving the young guys an experience in the nba level, it’s not like they gonna play them for the rest of the season, and theres plenty of season left to play so why not let the young guy get some experience
That's what I'm thinking too
What then stops them from doing the same thing repeatedly as a new form of load management?
@@ayoomisope6563 nothing stops them. And nothing should. A coach manages his team the way they and their staff sees fit.
Cutting the season down to like 50 games would solve most of the leagues problems
We found out that Keon Johnson and Noah Clowney can hoop! Maybe teams need to do this more
As an European still find it weird how Americans go to arena to see a particular player first and not support the team. We go and are happy to support our team regardless of who plays as a starter or at all.
The NBA needs to restrict back-to-backs to two games between the same teams in the same city like Spurs-Blazers in Portland this past Thursday and Friday.
Just to say I love your community, the comments are really well structured
Past couple/few decades players are divas
If the nba wants to prevent teams from resting Players they should decrease the number of games or at least not increase the number of games even further (in season tournament/Play in). If there are less games there is more interest in the remaining games. If your team isn’t playing multiple times a week you possibly find time to watch other games and expand your involvement around the league.
That should show league that they need to cut number of games played.
I don’t understand why do they really really need to win specifically this ONE game out of the 82??? Get over it. It was a strategic rest day. This one game ain’t making some HUGE difference.
FYI Day'Ron Sharpe hurt his hand. Not sure if he would have kept playing but that sent him to the bench
I don't blame teams for resting guys on back to backs, I blame the league for scheduling back to backs. We don't need 82 games bro. People don't even start really trying till after All-Star.
The NBA is NOT about the championship. It's about entertaining the fans. I didn't come to see see 2 guys on 2-way contracts and 2 guys on 10 day contracts play 30 minutes.
Them guys on 2-way contracts were busting the bucks up for 3 quarters. The nets thread on reddit was nothing but good vibes. We're happy to see Jalen Wilson, Noah Clowney and keon Johnson doing work against elite competition
@@shaolin6150 so if the top 9 players weren't gonna play 75% of the game and it was the only game you got to see live that year, you wouldn't be pissed? I love Keon (Vol fan) but come on.
@@hunterking6033 dude it's just one game. Calm your tits. If it becomes every game then I understand your point. This nets team needs somerhing new because Mikal and cam aren't cutting it. I watched almost every game for the past 25 years, so I know we definitely need some change in our rotation. Only time I miss some games was when I went to boot camp.
Few years back, Nets used G-League players ON THE SAME DAY as G-League games...
So it's possible to play twice on the same day... but also, back-to-backs are bad...
Exactly Nets have no chance to win a championship anyway they can atleast keep the fans entertained
got to cover that spread am I right?
I believe all players should be given a chance to play
Shorten the season to 66 games
2 games against every team, 1 home, 1 away. Then play an additional 2 games against your division rivals.
Well there are two entities at play here and both have different jobs to fulfill.
One: the NBA management team that insures the fans get a well deserved spectacle form players and
Two: the coaching staff which it's main job is to make sure that they have the best chances of fulfilling the team's goals, may it be get to the playoffs or go late in the playoffs or win it all.
Clearly the coaching staff was in it for the long run by making sure there players are healthy. Sure that's a lot of players out but if that's what they thought was necessary for the team, well I guess go for it.
Now as for the NBA management, this definitely didn't look good for the fans and viewers but we have to separate what the job description is.
Coaching staff are all for the best interest of the players and the NBA management are for the fans. So in terms of fulfilling the roles, none did anything wrong.
Loopholes always there smh
I mean, the game wasnt really a blowout for the nets while relying on the 3rd string of players ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ the bucks just scored a ton of 3's at the end and the nets couldn't follow suit the whole game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they even took the lead a couple times in the 3rd quarter...
But yeah, considering the nets' current roster and stats, it basically wasnt like the normal nets team was out there. So, i guess if you wanted to watch the current nets' brand of basketball, you werent going to get that
Does NBA care about players health? Nope, just wants money.
If they really want their players to be healthy and play more games, they should stop assigning b2b games.
I get it for fans and ticket sales and stuff, but you can’t force people to tell you who is going to play. There’s an element of surprise for a good coach in creating their rotation.
Nets did this last season. They got fined big time. The Heat did this strategy as well.
I forgot about Lonnie walker .. he been any good ? Who was he traded for ?
Fire Jacque Vaughn
No
he said think of the betters💀
Im not gonna lie, I don't see the issue. It's not like anyone on the nets were gonna win a huge award anyway, and besides, aren't people a fan of the team, not just the starters.
I get if people are mad at tanking, but that isnt what they were doing here clearly. If you want this to happen, maybe you should answer thr question of why teams would want to do this in the first place, but hey maybe that's just me. 😅
It's not just you.
I saw cam Thomas score The first 5 points for the nets I was like. He having fifty tonight (rest is history)
As you said in the video is this kind of what we have to deal with now? Is the priority health/saving guys for bigger games or is it pleasing fans who bought tickets? It should be about the fans but thats not who players/teams are trying to please anymore. Is it a problem for a top team to rest some players throughout the season and if theyre rested and win the title was it because of the rest during the season? So many variables
nets did a back to back no problem resting. everybody to rechagre the team for the next game. you do that in plenty of game simulators.
So...between players' health and fans, you're choosing...fans. Interesting take.
The NBA is broken now. Guys used to strive to play every game and even used to play 3 games back to back. The players now are not only soft and prima donnas but teams and players are more concerned with ways to game the system in order to win a championship than just going all out and playing. We see this with the Superteams and load management as well as other strategies of this era. Standards have been lowered, the product suffers and the fans suffer.
The league isn't broken - the players realize their worth better now and don't want a broken down body by the time they retire.
@@mezzb Guys like Malone and Kareem had long and successful careers without load management. Bird actually injured his back off the court.
Would you have that same energy if you were playing in the nba. It's easy to say when you on the outside looking in. You're not in these guys shoes to say they are soft etc.. when they got to tavel after playing late games on they home court. If the body doesn't get rest you feel drain & tired. These guys do deserve some rest, they're not robots!!
If I was getting paid what they are, yes. @@debranewton669
@@mezzb I appreciate your point of view. When I look at guys like Jokic and even AD, I don't think these guys run around that much relative to guys like Ralph Samson, Hakeem and others. Some would argue that the switching defense and zones of today allow for less strain on the body and there is less physicality all together.
Pistons fans jealous right now that the nets rested their entire team vs the bucks and not vs the pistons.
So then if bridges then just comes of the bench on the "rest" day instead of being a starter is that okay or just another loophole; is the NBA going to tell the team he has to start? Or what if they get in foul trouble and they don't make the 25 minutes, is the team then punished, or do refs have to not call fouls against starters to keep them out of foul trouble?
I dont the problem. It's important to know what players you can trust againist a top team in crucial minutes.
Teams need to evaluate the bottom of the bench which they cant do easily throughout the year.
Cannot have it both ways. The league's new rules for awards are what they are and if teams choose to do this then so be it.
I think if a team benches starters, then the fans should get discounts on ticket prices.
DSJ Comeback Season
Love DSJ! I went to NC State when he was there and he's been a nice piece this season. Good minutes last night too!
The NBA takes it's fans for granted. I'm kind of glad NBA ratings are in the toilet, hopefully the owners realize something is wrong. Unfortunately a lot of people are blaming BLM for the ratings being down when, in actuality, it's the product on the court (plus many players aren't likable).
Honestly speaking the tv ratings for nba does not matter as they been doing great throughout streaming services.
I mean for example from China they are getting 600 million unique viewers and their revenue is only going up.
Even in Europe the NBA streaming is doing great due international superstars.
Like for example Laker are getting a lot of view from Japan due to rui.
Nba has reached the premier league level where the international rights to games are giving them more money than their national rights.
I'll believe it when the NBA makes more money than the NFL.@@nischal711
It does seem most efficient to win by a little and lose by a lot
imagine you can finally afford a ticket to your favorite team and when you can finally go you get to watch G league players play
Last year nba fined dallas mavs doing the same for tanking games to improve chances for lottery draft.
What about the effect this has on individual player stats?
If guys are playing, but aren't getting minutes, then these would suffer wouldn't they?
A few games with big minutes, often gives the role, back up, and younger players an opportunity to up their averages, iii the Nets tried this too often they'd potentially get a player revolt on their hands wouldn't they?
They need at least 1 starter ir one six man at all times. I think thats the answer.
Load management is one thing but If players are injured there's literally nothing you can do to heal them but wait
Yeah exactly, what makes rest different than "oh we'll have starters coming off the bench for the game"? The fact that they got a DNP-CD?
Don't forget the Nets rested Kyrie for every home game for "not having the shot"
Given the Durant kyrie Hardenfiasco and now Ben Simmons how can you blame this team for anything they do at this point.
You mean the poison jab. He a smart man.
Is there data that suggests resting players correlates with lower injury rates?
60 Games are more than enough. The fact, that this didn’t happen decades earlier is baffling me.
Because gambling is much bigger now, this could be a way to shave points and throw games. That would be a disaster.
honestly good, it might deter people from gambling. do it on a machine not on a court.
Imagine if they won though, and you were at that game. That would be something to see.
The bucks almost got beat by the nets bench 😂😂
I blacked out for 12 hours and you said the same thing the whole time but I realized it was only 8 mins
Go nets! I wish more teams to do this, fck back to back games, its only about money, players got tired and cant show good level anyway
The NBA plays far far too many games in too short a time period.
82 regular season games plus upto 28 playoff games in insane.
Add in the fact that honestly most of the games end up being pretty inconsequential plus the reality that the only thing teams care for is the playoffs and you've got a recipe for uncompetitive uninteresting games that present a lot of risk to players and teams with little upside.
The entire league needs reformatting if you want actual hard fought competition for every game.
somehow the league managed and thrived before the concept of 'load management'...nba today is soft like charmin
I doubt the NBA will do anything about this specific game but there will be rules in place next year about minutes played, I'm sure.
Give the G-league guys the "resting players money" If you need to rest your lazy self your salary should be given to guys doing your job.
This is why the crowd and viewing numbers are so down.
Imagine being a Nets fan buying the tickets expecting to see Cam and others but then get to watch a bunch of nobodies. I don't care if the Nets seem smart or they found a loophole, I would be asking for a refund at that point.
If you're paying to see Cam you're not a Nets fan, you're a Cam fan. If you ask for a refund you shouldn't be able to buy another ticket ever again because you don't care about the team.
@@CharlesSweet "You ain't a fan of the team bruh" what the fuck is that bullshit. If your team's best players, not only players but entire LINEUP doesn't play for load management and there's only g-leaguers playing subpar basketball, especially if you bought a ticket to at least see players you recognize on court play, then you should be mad about that. Because you paid to see the Nets team play with their best available players.
But right now you and the others defending this anti-fan experience are a bunch of bootlicking cock suckers for teams and players, encouraging them to give ticket holders a shitty experience.
Don't agree. It is what it is. And, they didn't do anything wrong. Your starters are just the players who start the game. Because it is normal to play big minutes as a starter does not mean it is required. That's my take.
Maybe teams you should try and learn to use their entire roster. Having the starters play only 5 minutes every quarter would make sense for back to backs. The fact is, they have peope on their rosters that they don't ever bring into the game. Learn to use your entire fucking roster.
The league is not going to care for the fact that the nets don't have a star player apart of this. And no star player will participate in just 12 minutes, which is going to affect their stats.
The Nets rookies and G league players got to play a meaningful game to get meaningful experience. I can't fault J.V. for that.
One of the younger teams in the league with no real hope of competing for a championship this year and they’re gonna rest? The Nets do not matter enough to get away with this.
if you're gonna rest players just announce them before the game
I remember paying to see a game and the player I most wanted to see play wasn't playing that night. That kinda sucked. It would have sucked slightly more if the rest of the best players didn't play.
While you can call what the Nets did here anti-competitive, I don't think it's anti-competitive. It actually could be a good competitive strategy. Any of the following benefits accrue from this tactic: best players get needed rest, player development for bench players, confuse the opponent as they have probably not game planned for playing bench players.
There are probably more strategic and/or tactical reasons for doing this.
But if I paid to see (in person) NBA players play and instead saw this.....yeah I'd be more than disappointed.....
The only think that counts is the sport. Basically everything else is superfluous.
However, if they're going to bring rules in, can they stop players walking all the time?
Sounds like they started garbage time too early lmao...
Omfg there is already a solution to load manage. Look at the NFL. They have less regular season games. No NFL stars were load managing because they play LESS GAMES.
82 games is too many games. If every team plays each other 2 times in the regular season, that’s 58 games. There you go, 58 games. That’s the right amount of games and I can guarantee less stars will load manage.
Agreed. Either play less games or stretch the season by at least 3 or 4 weeks (ideally 7 or 8). Off seasons in American sports are unreasonably long, it makes no sense from a sporting point of view (I'm assuming it's for financial reasons, probably to not have different sports competing with each other).
NHL is way more grueling than NBA, and there's never a rest day, a rest game. That game was pitiful, they should have given the fans their money back. Absolutely no defense was played, it was like an all-star game with no all-stars for the Nets. Of course the game was close at first, at no point did the Bucks feel like they were going to lose. What a disgrace.
Bruh they acting like they aren't NBA players too. After Kyrie and KD left these ninjas trying to win the lottery 😂
Mavs did this last season at the end of the season
They rest every starters other than luka and they only let him play for 1 quarter in a must win game
Infuriating to see because its a must win game for play in spot, and yes mavs got fined for obvious tanking
To prevent players from resting.... until injury
The Nba wash they afford to rest any players on any given night. The Christmas games ratings was at all time low
Lol this the first year i didnt watch a single game 😂
Nets were fined 100K today for this decision…
Imagine betting on American sports. Bruh.
This is what the NBA talking about.
Sounds like someone had a bet on this game 😂
it don't think it is about resting, but rather roster depth
brooklyn has no decent picks in the next years
brooklyn has dinwiddie, simmons and an underdeveloped cam thomas
brooklyn right now is like washington wizards
brooklyn maybe be using all resources they have to be finding "another cam thomas"
Cut the season to 72 games, remove back to backs. Don’t reward loosing, giving every team outside the playoffs the same draft odds. That’s a way better product
Maybe get rid of the back to backs that might help
Good video, but the NBA needs to but out. The solution to this is to create a bigger incentive to play well for every reg season game - e.g. make the reg season shorter, or penalize teams that are below a certain spot/wins. All these rules about player ineligibility/fines are just non-effective because they are missing the point - if you are an 11 seed or below today, you have no incentive to win, even if you are in the play in you will lose in the first round. In every sport but in USA, the worst teams are relegated. In america, trams are rewarded by getting better odds to a potential superstar
I'd be pissed if I paid to go see that game.
The new resting is check in for 3 mins and sit for the rest of the game
The Nets are accessing their youth. The Trade deadline is coming. Their kids played well. Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and Bridges are long term keepers...
The what now?
@darrengordon-hill
Nets core is Cam Thomas, Cam Johnson & Bridges.
Net will decide what to do with Simmons or Claxton-one has to go.
Finney or Royce need to be traded-Finney at the trade deadline will provide a higher trade value(preferably a pick).
After watching the young guns against Milwaukee; we can see the Nets have great young talent...
With a bevy of draft picks, the Nets have the assets to land a stud or two, or draft talent.
The Nets are in great shape going forward...
The Season should be split into 2 seperate 40 game seasons, a spring and a fall season.
How are people pressed about this, the more veteran players didn’t get their minutes so atleast they got starter status, might even affect salary etc? Fuck the fans and fuck the betting. Team comes first for the coach
Wise words.
My fantasy team suffered because of this lol. I have Bridges and O’Neale, they had awful stat lines
Exactly, they take too much money from fantasy games, specifically FanDuel, as advertised on-court - prominently, to do have coaches doing stuff like this