Star Trek: The Motion Picture - re:View
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- It's the team up you've all been waiting for! Dry and sarcastic meets dry and sarcastic! Two dull, unfunny, elderly men talk about an old, dull, dry film. WHAT COULD BE BETTER THAN THAT KIDS?!?!?!? Seriously though, Mike and Jim love Star Trek The Motion Picture. It's mainly because they are dry, dull, and elderly.
- Zábava
*William Shatner has joined the chat*
*William Shatner has left the chat*
Lol "joined the chat" "left the chat" gives me flash backs xD
I like Star Track respect from Serbija
lmfao
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
I hope Mike talks about Star Trek in this episode.
I also hope for that
With age, ugly ducklings grow into beautiful swans. TMP is that duck.
I hope he talks about his spleen, that would be cool.
That would be cool. Very cool.
why, has he done that before?
The first 60 seconds are extremely offensive, guys. William Shatner said so, therefore it must be true
it's so funny to imagine Bill Shatner sitting on his iPad and shutting it off in rage after hearing some drunk Wisconsinite say the word "gash"
very ageist and shilling
@@AA-kt6rh shameless shills!
It's a good podcast
@@robthomas946 I have coined a term for them, HACK FRAUDS.
I like how, in the years since this re:View aired, Jim has actually won that Emmy.
Did he win the Emmy for being a Scottish man as well?
"For some reason the Enterprise is the only ship able to reach it" - the plot of every Star Trek movie
When other ships are able to reach it, they don't make Star Trek movies about it.
Other ships know the Enterprise crew have a death wish
Still the most hilarious event was the Enterprise and the Big Black Dick Ship in "Star Trek: Into Darkness" having a space battle in Earth's Atmosphere. Like really where the fuck is everyone else? How are they allowing this to take place? It would be like allowing two Airforce squadrons to have a dogfight over New York.
Its the Flagship of starfleet. Its only natural to send it to its possible demise.
Well, ignoring the others as someone else's vision (or lack thereof), in this movie, the Enterprise is in the process of being refit at home base, and V'Ger was making a direct beeline to Earth. The novel explains that she was the only Constitution-class ship to return from a five-year-mission relatively intact. And the Connies were Starfleet's workhorses at the time. She was the first to get all the state-of-the-art enhancements, and even though there was no time even for a shakedown cruise, she was the best bet at intercepting the intruder while it was still "out there."
Kirk and Spock joining this mission were both happy accidents, which probably made the difference between the Earth being completely sterilized or the disaster being averted.
You can build a huge fleet of all kinds of ships, but you don't build them to just hang around Earth; they all have jobs to do. And space is mind-bogglingly big.
_"whoever wrote this movie"_ You expect us to believe Mike doesn't know exactly who wrote a Star Trek movie? He probably knows where they live and the name of their cat too.
There's a thing to be said about this specific movie though: It's downright impossible to tell who wrote the movie as it was finally shot - mainly because the movie was still *being* written while it was shot. Yes, the initial story treatment was by Alan Dean Foster, based on an idea by Gene Roddenberry, but it was then re-written into a TV script by Harold Livingston, and when they made it into a movie it was passed back to Gene Roddenberry whose close associates probably also had a hand in it and so on and so on...
I noticed this too. There were loads of things almost mentioned, yet Mike doesn't do it. Like there's no way Mike doesn't know that the probe scene they talk about at length, was filmed in two parts. The left side is one take, then the special effect of the probe in the middle, then the right side is filmed separately. Sometimes when the image moves the two sides don't match up. I think he's purposely holding back his true Trek power level here to let Jim have his say.
When talking about the sexuality of the film, he'll know about the novelisation Roddenberry wrote. The one with the sex rooms and the Enterprise is like one big hippie free sex commune. Kirk's mother had a love instructor or how the Deltans mindwaves make people want to fuck them all the time. That's why ilia has a bald head, to make herself look less sexy.
McShave tell me more about this love instructor and this hippie free love sex commune.
@@ohmandamp Kirk's mother's love instructor's name was "James"! Make of that what you will. Also Kirk has tried sex with men but prefers "the creature known as woman". Gene was kind of obsessed with sex.
@@McShave This is fascinating. What's the source again?
"Gene Roddenberry looks a bit like a... bag of oatmeal with eyebrows" is one of the funniest lines in RLM history, bravo Jim
The way Mike's face explodes and deflates after that line is the most sublime reaction caught on camera.
I love the way you can hear Rich cracking up off screen during that part starting with Jim asking if Gene Roddenberry was attractive
Timestamp, please.
@@AidanMclaren Didn't see this until now but it's near the end at 40:55
I like to imagine how much that would have infuriated Shatner, if he had stuck with the video long enough to see that part.
Hearing jay constantly laughing in the background might be the best thing about this episode
First Mike talks about ghosts for 10 minutes and now we get 40 minutes of trek talk, have I died and gone to Red Letter Media Heaven?! (which is incidentally next to regular hell)
which inccendtailly is in new jersey
Olexi Petrov Just wanna bring up there is a place called Hell, Michigan, which is probably named such because it’s where RLM is filmed. Probably.
Oooo likes are at 666
Now we just need 40 minutes of Rich and Jack talking about videogame waifus.
Do you think Rich Evans accidentally created Red Letter Media Heaven when he died from the Showbiz Pizza Bear biting his neck off and then had to defeat Satan in order to come back to life?
Because I like the idea of Rich Evans accidentally figuratively AND literally becoming a god to the RLM fanbase.
I hope Jim and Mike ReView every Star Trek movie.
This was legitimately great.
He's spent some quality time with the fat, drunk one who fixes his VCR. He's also an unlicensed proctologist! Who would've known?@nazarene
I found them to be dry, dull and elderly. and awesome. I'm 9 months into the future.
Jim and Mike's Shmaltz Maltz Beer.
I think THIS movie is just FABULOUS! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of m@r@ns who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
I just realized Jim Maxwell is now an actual Emmy award winner.
The humble beginnings of the boomer fight
Mike isn't a boomer is he? He's no more than 40 :O
@@mc00094 Firmly Gen X.
Millennials think it’s just them and Boomers on the planet.
@@mc00094 Millennials have no idea what age group baby boomers are.
*After watching this video in its entirety I found RedLetterMedia's video, discussing the social media kerfuffle that had occurred between internet fans of their show and Mr. William Shatner. And now I am back to witness the first 60 seconds, that which Mr. Shatner judged them by, and laugh.*
And then I am going to watch the rest of this review, because it is GOOD.
@@tolispoulos5398 They have all the information in the universe at their fingertips, and yet they don't really know much at all lol
Please encourage the Emmy nominated Canadian to talk more about matte paintings! I felt like he was cutting his comments short for fear that the audience would be bored, but I absolutely love when people talk at length about an obscure topic that they're passionate and knowledgeable about.
YES!!! Or, that he thought people would think he's a smart-ass. "I'm an Emmy-nominated artist... I *know* what I'm talking about"
He doesn't come across that way at all. I'd love to hear him just review matte paintings.
Agreed.
John T. Campbell Personally id love him to do a top 15 so I could feel ok with buying a matte painting as a poster
I'd prefer to hear about how it is being an Emmy Nominated Canadian Scotsman.
@@Beer_Dad1975 well he IS hanging out and talking with these drunk Wisconsinites. Maybe it’s similar
This is the happiest Mike will ever be.. it's all downhill from here.
Mike is peaking
This is what peak Mike looks like.
But he is, what, like 80. Peaking at 80 is pretty good I'd say
sounds like my life
Little did he know about Star Trek Picard and how truly awful things could get.
Props to MIke for holding in the laughter after Jim says "I don't know if William Shatner is a great actor or not. I didn't catch a lot of 'TJ Hooker'". The delivery is so dry it should have come with a pack of Saltines.
So dry it should have come with _dipping sauce_
that's why I like to see the lesser RLM-er's in the mix, they all have a different rapport.
Saw this on the big screen in 79 when I was 10. I was fascinated by it, my dad hated it and wanted to leave, and my sister slept almost all the way through it. I whined and cried and he let me stay to finish watching it. Being a brat helps sometimes.
With all due respect, I disagree with your father, sir/ma'am.
I think THIS movie is just FABULOUS! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of m@r@ns who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
Somewhere in the back Jay is crying wishing he was cool enough to also watch Star Trek.
@The Duke Even Josh is too cool to watch Star Trek...
@@vladpiranha I believe his said he´s "not touching that".
Mike’s masterplan to terraform Re:View into a Star Trek discussion pannel seems to have taken effect
**Superman flies through 5 buildings, killing a bunch of people to stop Mike from terraforming Re:View**
Mega Man X Powered Up **doesn’t smash through ihop to preserve product placement**
@@xcellnt yep
i love that rich's laughing in the background is picked up on the mics.
7:55
20:52
32:48
40:53
"it's so star trek, and you'll never have a movie like that again" :(
True, true
So true and so depressing.
So there'll never be another slow, cerebral sci-fi movie?
@@andrewbaumann2661 correct
Hello! Interstellar (2014)!
It doesn't get more dragged out and head clawing than that.
Bah go listen to vaughn heppners lost starship books they are here on you tube. Dude sort of channels star trek.
House of Suns and the Revelation space series by Alystar Reynolds comes to mind as well though they are kinda grim dark.
I love how every once in a while you can hear Rich laughing off camera
Because Rich's laugh is life
Richs laugh can heal cancer
i can hear him from my house
His ghostly, diabetes-ridden presence haunts us to this day
That's not Rich! It's Colin!
I'm glad Mike has the Star Trek insignia on his shirt because otherwise I wouldn't know that he's a fan of Star Trek
Mike likes Star Trek so much that I ended watching TOS too see what he likes so much, currently I am watching s01e15
It reminds me of that "Star Trek" episode where that guy wore the Star Trek insignia on his shirt.
i started watching TNG since it's on netflix. I think i'm on season 3. I was gonna give the original series a once through some time soon.
I never new picard was such an asshole. He fucking HATES wesley
Buddy... I'd tell you.
@@rippspeck You can save yourself 150 hours of awful by skipping Voyager. DS9 is the best trek but of 150 episodes, only 80 are good or so. Curate your list. Next Gen has maybe 20 good episodes, but the rest are watchable just because the series has the rep it does. Skip S3 of TOS, it's all got this 'fan fic' vibe, but S1 and S2 are all legit.
Twitter: Here’s one of their more serious and analytical videos about Star Trek Mr. Shatner Mike: 20:41
Haha YES
A couple minutes in they start talking about kirks gorilla arms
Thank God Shatner didn't watch that bit.
I rewatch this episode so often. The dynamic Jim and Mike have is very unique in RLM and i want more of the two of em.
"STOP............competing-with-me-Decker."
Got to love Shatner's style.
Which means, stop pointing out when I’m obviously wrong. 🧐
THIS REMINDED ME OF THAT STAR TREK EPISODE WITH RICH EVANS
And AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
very cool.
Do you mean TNG episode 2x17 "Samaritan Snare"? That was Pakled, not Rich Evans.
I thought it was kind of a copout when Rich Evans (as himself) appeared on Voyager and instantly teleported the ship into a tums festival, also resurrecting the true Kim.
I'm laughing my ass off picturing Bones telling Decker "how moist this robot is."
Is it more or less funny to realise that it wasn't McCoy, but _Lwuxana Troi,_ who said that line?
"It's so Star Trek and you'll never have a movie like that ever again", those last words sadly say everything about the culture industry.
I just want Mike to re:view every Star Trek episode, it would be glorious.
TOS, TNG, and Voyager just for shits and giggles
I want them to force Jay to watch a couple of TNG episodes and then discuss them for real.
Honestly if he reviewed every season of Star Trek I'd love to watch it.
I was really hoping they'd do a DS9 re:view for the 25th anniversary, but it probably won't happen.
Mike needs to talk about that episode where Janeway and Tom Paris turn into lizards and have kids. Yes, that happened.
Is Mike dying? Is that why you're doing all of this for him?
RIP Mike Ulysses Stoklasa(1958-2018) Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most pakled.
Rich gave him AIDS and Mike does not have diabetus to balance it like Rich does.
How could these guys completely skip over the "transporter malfunction" scene?! That was the most gruesome scene in the entire movie.
and the way they hoke and mock the crew mates and dismiss their death I was like omg????
That scene traumatized me as a kid, their screams.... oof. and then the following line "What we got through didn't live long.... fortunately."
Dude I totally forgot about that f'd up ass scene, terrified me as a kid
Nightmare fuel
@@madisonl6321did they joke about it? I didn’t notice
This is still my favorite Re:View. It is the perfect blend of lore, trivia, and fun. I don’t suppose the other ToS movies could get a similar treatment?
I would like an Enterprise retrosepective.
"Mister Spock, you're a vampire?!?" had me chuckling
That part was great.
I always thought that outfit looked like a cast-off from the set of Logan's Run.
*Precisely*
"wampire"
Chuckle? I nearly peed my pants!
"Or as Picard calls her, Gash"... Not even a minute in and totally worth it...
Instant like.
"She's into artifacts that's why she liked him." :D
S
*She's got it moist in all the right spots!*
(Falling slide whistle)
Little did we know this would enact the war between Shatner and Mike
Guess what? Jim is no longer an Emmy-nominee. He is an Emmy *winner* .
Really? What for?
@@Davidsworldtravels Vikings - Outstanding Special Visual Effects In A Supporting Role - 2020
I think one of the things people miss in Wrath of Khan, is that shouting "KHAN!" wasn't a Shatner bad acting moment. It was Shatner as Kirk pretending to ham it up to make Khan think he won. People just seem to miss the layers in acting that Shatner did for some reason. When Spock shouts "KHAN!" in Into Darkness, it's just a surface level bad acting moment of rage.
When Roberto Orci was interviewed on the Mission Log podcast they asked him about that moment and he literally didn't even realize that's what was happening in the original Wrath of Khan scene. He put that reference in Into Darkness without even understanding what it was about in the original movie, like it was just there as a meme reference. Just like the stuff with Kirk being a lady's man who's always banging green chicks, it's referencing pop culture's idea of Star Trek rather than Trek itself.
@@AndorianBlues I can't even pretend to be surprised anymore.
I'm not saying you blew my mind but uh... you've certainly made me re-evaluate the movie (that scene in particular.)
Please. Kirk was just pissed.
@@dragonknightleader1 Comics who do Shatner impressions are really just imitating Kevin Pollack's Shatner impression.
Why is everyone commenting? You haven't even finished the video. You don't even know Mike's opinion on Star Trek yet.
I didn’t even care for star trek but this discussion seriously makes me consider watching the older series and next generation
after years of listening to Mike talk about ST, I finally watched TOS, TAS, Motion Picture, and the Wrath of Khan, and ST is really worth it man. Of course most people say TNG is the best, I'll get there eventually but there's so much ST! Either way though it's really great
@@silverschannel8578 TNG had a writers strike happen at the start of season 2. Season 1 had a bunch of clunker episodes where we were being shown the new universe or new characters. It finds its footing mid season 2 and season 3 thru 5 are some of the best sci fi ever out on tv.
warren rudolph ah ive finished TNG and DS9 now, TNG is amazing. DS9 is very well done although not my cup of tea. I liked VOY until Tuvix and havent picked it back up since, but maybe in the future
@@silverschannel8578 Voyager had so much potential and was such a wasted opportunity for quality sci fi and character growth so seperated from the Federation. They had good episodes but never took them as far as they could. There was too.much restring of the show from episode to episode since DS9 did the multi episode arc and they wanted to be able to syndicate Voy without having to play em in order. But Voyager should have had massive power and repair and food issues as they got further removed from Starfleet specs to season 3 no starbases to fix or reaupply.
absolutely give them a chance. they're so good. I still prefer TOS, I feel like TNG got a little too up its own butt sometimes for me (I love pulpy/campy sci-fi) but they're both great, well past what the 21st-century trek attempts would lead anyone to believe
The best part of this movie is that spock's character development here carries on with spock forever. He even says in the TNG episodes he is in that he has embraced that there is more than logic.
Tbh he sorta does in TOS as well. When he fights Kirk for that woman Vulcan and he says "you may find that having is not as satisfying as wanting. It is not logical, but it is true"
43 minutes of Mike referencing star trek while simultaneously reviewing star trek
we have truly transcended
They've gone through orifice and were reborn into the next state of movie reviewing. They are the review. The reviewering. The rereviewering...
@@tadzeohorner-chbib4765 Man, time is just a flat circle, man...
Reminds me of this one star trek episode when...
Thank you for giving Shatner his props. The dude actually is a brilliant actor and that gets lost in the shuffle because of how easy it is to impersonate some of his mannerisms and also because he's somewhat of an acquired taste irl.
It's a rare thing when an actor is so beloved they give him a honor called "Talk Like William Shatner Day"
He's a legend. I follow him on Twitter. Lol
Shatter and Stallone, both fall into that category. They’re genuine acting chops are overlooked. How can you not get choked up when Kirk gives Spock’s eulogy??
I think Shatner is as good as the director he's working with. He has huge potential but lacks self control - which is why he's so inconsistent - give him a director who can't manage him properly and you get a hammy over the top performance, give him a director who understands how to direct him, he's capable of brilliance.
@@Beer_Dad1975 Could be. Are you contrasting Wise with another specific director?
Season 3 of TOS had pulpier scripts as well (wasn't just budget and directing that made it different but the whole IDIC tangle of a production heading for cancellation).
Jim's shirt is amazing. It's the controls for the sounds on the Fisher Price shuttle from the late 70s.
Holy shit! I KNEW I recognized that!
What the hell is that?
Alpha Probe it was called. Got one Xmas 1980 coz my folks couldn't afford a Millennium Falcon.
At first I thought you meant Jim _Kirk,_ and I still agreed about his shirt being great.
I'd probably say this is my favorite re:View. Mike's impressions, Jims witty jabs. Combined with some genuine film analysis. It's brilliant.
This film freaked me out as a kid. It felt so grown up, like the problems they were facing were tremendous, horrifying and yet really intriguing. I used to hide behind the couch when Spock attempted to mind meld with Vger.
Compared to films of today where it's always one large villain out to take over/destroy the world, which is a concept that isn't so much frightening as it is routine, there's no mystery anymore. I'm not worried about the world being destroyed I'm just kind of enjoying the trip to defeat the baddie.
I wish they made more films like this, where we don't understand the problem we're facing, where the "villains" motive doesn't make sense... that's what makes it horrifying and alien. How can we defeat a problem we don't understand? The mystery makes it something you want to watch.
Did you watch the 2016 film Arrival?
These are exactly the the tree movies I thought of reading the OP comment. But that it. Are there others?
Contact
It's a fair comment; the examples people bring up are rare exceptions...
Shin Godzilla does unknowable horror really well.
41:00 Jim is an Emmy™ nominated bag of oatmeal. He knows what he's talking about.
Yesss!!!
You forgot one of my favorite scenes... "What we got back didn't live long... fortunately."
That scene disturbed me so much as a child
"Robert Wise is dead...He died of marshmallow poisoning."
The funniest line in all of RLM was uttered by Jim of all people!
"A marshmelon" -Spock 2289
Funniest two lines; the Gene Roddenberry looking like a sack of oatmeal with eyebrows line had me in stitches.
I wonder what episode of Star Trek this reminds Mike of
N Fink Rich said fuck that
I actually spat out my drink. Thanks.
Only genuinely funny joke in this whole comment section. 10/10
Nomad
You win the internet.
This review oozes sexuality
Is "it oozes sexuality" replacing "it broke new ground"? Very cool.
Come again?
@@capitancoolo1 this review is borderline experimental
capitancoolo1 Very cool...
@@kylehyde215CA Its so dense... with SEX! You could make it a drinking game to cope with slow parts!!
This is one of my fav RLM: reviews, would love more with Jim as guest, and more of the TOS films
And I'm so happy that Motion Picture is Mike's favorite Star Trek Movie along with Voyage Home. If only him and Rich were TOS fans.
I enjoy The Motion Picture a little more with every subsequent viewing, coming back to this video after rewatch #3
38:35 Had the Honor of meeting James Doohan once when he was already in his 80's. Asshole that I am I was ready to snicker and mumble something about beaming up… however… there was such an aura of wisdom, insight and pure human Depth emanating from him that silenced me instantly and left nothing but respect for him. I have never experienced anything like this again up to this day, he was an amazing human being and I will cherish this moment until I die.
First an entire video of Mike talking about ghosts, now an entire video of Mike talking about Star Trek. This is RLM fan service
This is the fairest discussion of this movie. Please bring Jim on more often - the oatmeal joke had me in tears.
It’s not a boring movie. It’s a slow movie. It unfolds like a novel. Star Trek The Motion Picture moves as quickly as it needs to move. I watched it as a kid and really liked it. There were some scenes that I thought took a long time but even as a kid I understood why they were showing us slow moving scenes of this gigantic alien space ship. They wanted the viewer to be in awe of this space ship and terrified of it. It was effective. You feel like the Enterprise is as significant as an ant that could be squashed at any moment.
That movie was my very first Star Trek.
I watched it whenever possible as a kid, which was aided by it being shown on television and us having a VCR and enough fresh tapes so I could get a copy of it.
Mind you, I was watching this when I was in primary school, and we had the first two Star Wars movie on tape as well.
I loved ALL of them.
Star Wars was exciting because it combined several genres into a sci-fi movie about good and bad.
But Star Trek just resonated. Never thought it boring. That first scene with the Enterprise just blew me away. Still does, but for different reasons.
Yeah almost reminds of Blade Runner in a way, they don't make movies at these kind of paces much anymore :(
I had a friend who fell asleep during the glamour shot of the Enterprise and didn't wake up until the very end, when Sulu asked "Where to, sir?" My friend woke up and shouted "OUT THERE!" right along with Shatner.... True story.
This has been one of my comfort movies for decades. Every clip they show of Abrams Trek is like a frigging nightmare.
I think THIS movie is just FABULOUS! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of m@r@ns who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
Why can't RLM get past 1 million subscribers!?! It's the best channel of its kind on CZcams!
Too high brow
Shhh , id rather this channel stay in the down low.
I don't know, man, I'm wet every time I see Rich.
They have a lot more subscribers than any other channel about fat old men from Wisconsin talking movies
I don't know why either! I mean, THE SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE AMAZING!!
I love this film. No one can convince me it's bad. It lit up my 9 year old imagination. Pacing issues be damned
It's the right combination of intelligent, pretty, slow and boring.
tanookigt yes! I remember being surprised when I actually found out people hate this movie. It’s the first Star Trek movie I ever bought on dvd also.
I saw it in the theater and loved it ever since.
Its he best Star Trek film because it is a STARTREK film.
But they actually fixed the movie in the Director's Cut, so we don't have to worry about those pacing issues anymore with the endless reaction shots. There are even some new scenes from the longer TV cut where things actually happen. The DVD quality is a small price to pay.
I could watch a 43 minute episode of Canadian Jim discussing everything about matte effects.
“...Kirk’s wearing a space dentist outfit with his gorilla arms...” lolololol
Damn you Jim for making me laugh out loud at that cruel but hilarious “Marshmallow poisoning” remark.
We need more dry, dull, and elderly these days. I'm still hoping for _Star Trek: Galaxy,_ Mike!
AMEN!!!! Galaxy or bust!!
Well, if we ever get that new Patrick Stewart Trek series, at least we'll get dry and very elderly.
This is future. We did not get Star Trek Galaxy.
@@sarcasticdude2320 I'm happy enough with Picard S3.
@@icemachine79 season 3 was pretty good.
But 1 and 2 where
I don't think Jim gets enough credit for his impressions. The Solo impression here and his perfect Neil Breen in the more recent video. Nice!
Mike. "Star Trek TOS was a horror show."
Me. "Pfft no it wasn't!"
*Shows Clips*
Me. "Oh..."
Yup its hard to argue with the evidence lol
Meh mystery maybe. Horror is a bit of a stretch. Strung together clips ripped out of context doesn’t dictate the theme for the entire series.
100% my reaction
it's cosmic horror, y'all.
existential terror. served on a paper plate maybe, but consider the era... post twilight zone.
@@bradleyhayman2682 >>Strung together clips ripped out of context
40:56 "Would you say Gene Roddenberry is relatively good looking?.....No". Rich tries to quite laugh somewhere off in the distance and can't stop.
I've never seen a single episode of Star Trek and know comically little about it, but I honestly love listening to Mike talk about it just because he knows so much about it and genuinely enjoys it so much. It's just so nice to listen to him talk about this thing he cares about.
Shatner was born to play Kirk. His acting for Kirk in all the movies and shows is great, despite what people tend to believe.
the best re:View imo
I had spoken with Alan Dean Foster about this.
He takes no responsibility for the movie or the novelization, stating that Roddenberry had his own ideas for how the story would go.
Gene wasn't an easy guy to collaborate with.
And cunts.
I never understood why many people don't like The Motion Picture, I always thought it was a very atmospheric science fiction movie with a great soundtrack. I often listen to it when working on a project in my workshop.
THIS. Seriously, one of the best movie scores ever composed. The complete recording released on CD a few years back is well worth owning.
It's a very acquired taste, and even then it's not one of my favourites. It came out at a time when Star Wars was all the rage and was being aped off by other sci-fi films and TV shows. TMP was clearly produced with 2001 in mind, and while the visuals are beautiful with an identifiable theme, it was never going to hold up to the former. I'd also argue that where the new Trek films sharply contrast with the TV series in one extreme, this goes in the opposite direction. It's really a meandering journey in to the heart of a titanic cloud entity, and whilst I enjoy it personally I can see why that would bore a lot of people as it did (and still sometimes does) me.
@@ThreadBomb yes hard to believe that us 80s kids had the attention span of gerbils but it's pretty much true
I really like it. 👍👍
I really appreciated this re:. As someone who actually attended the original release, I can tell you that even though my father and I had to wait in the freezing cold for over 2 hours in line to see it, we both felt it was well worth it.
Maybe it was all the ST fans who were out that night, but there was a huge cheer when Kirk first appears stepping off the shuttle.
It had definite flaws, but I also think it was the right movie at the right time.
For Mike: The way the Probe sequence was done, they first simply dragged a VERY bright light bar around a darkened set by a gaffer. The practical lighting only barely illuminated the actors in the shot by design. Then, at Doug Trumbull's facility, the light bar and the tech were digitally removed(if you look carefully at the top of the frame you can see the set bowing around the probe where it was removed), and Robert Swarthe did the animation effects which add in the swirly lights and also hide the blend where the practical lighting was removed.
Yes, I am a Star Trek geek.
Holy fuck. I was at that VERY part when they were discussing this.
I love Star Trek
I absolutely guarantee you nothing was removed digitally
@@Trumpen I wouldn't underestimate Doug Trumbull like that
@@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS :D
Uhura should have been the one to determine that V’ger is transmitting messages at a super-high frequency. Does Spock get to do everything? Uhura has one job on the ship-let her do it.
When Spock says that line they do a cutaway to Uhura and she reacts like, “WTF?”
HOW could you overlook the scene, early in the film, where the transporter malfunctions, and someone gets "mangled" while re-forming?? The simple thought of that happening, alone, was HORRIFYING to me as a 10 year old boy seeing that movie in the theater. But then ... there's a SHRIEK, and I don't know if it was made by the female transproter operator, or by the malformed person coming through the transporter. Absolutely, bone-chilling, nightmare-inducing, HORRIFYING. That initial shock from 1979 STILL terrifies me.
Andy W and then the line about what was transported, didn’t live very long... yes that scene really is a horror scene
-tAz- they talk about how a lot of the ship was untested
Yeah it's all Kirk's fault for rushing the ship out of drydock before it's shake down cruise. They thankfully learned from this in ST V and took the shuttle everywhere instead lol
And ST:TMP was rated *G* in theaters in 1979.
This was the glorious 70s, when you could put body horror in your movie and get a G rating and throw in a topless lady and get only a PG (Logan's Run, Airplane!).
Pretty sure the shriek came from the malformed person.
Oh, and it gets WORSE: There is actually a still from this film of the actors standing on the pad before the effects were added, with looks of agony and horror on their faces. Looks like they moved and writhed, as if they were in pain. Its one hell of a creepy image.
Also, those lines:
"Oh no, they're forming!" - Janice Rand
and
"Enterprise, what we got back, didnt live very long.. fortunately." - Starfleet Transporter Tech
yeesh.
Damn first Muculay Culkan, now James Hetfield. RLM is really getting big with the celebrity cameos
Hahahaaa...made my day :-D !
And Mike didn't ask why everything since Black Album sucks. ;(
I LOVE those space opera 2001-esque scenes. So warm and fuzzy. Those insane scale scenes with the ship being so tiny. Such a great feeling of enormity, we need more of those.
The more times I watch TMP the more I adore it. Either cut, sometimes it's nice for filmmakers to take their time showing beautiful revolutionary visual effects.
There are two cuts?
That kind of reminds of that Star Trek episode where Mike was reminded of a Star Trek episode
I remember the transporter scene traumatising me when I was younger.
Yeah, that one got me as well!
Yeah, that one was terrifying - especially when Kirk contacts the station and they just coldly reply: "What we got back didn't live long. Fortunately..."
Makes me feel that this *unseen* sort of body horror is way creepier than all the twisted and mutilated rubber corpses we get to see on _Discovery_ nowadays.
Weaponsandstuff93 still can not use the transporter to this day!
"But the animal is inside out. And it exploded." - Teb, Galaxy Quest
yes yes , real horror. Truely hardcore. They would never do this today and drop that line afterwards
When I was younger, I also regarded ST2 as the top dog of the series cinematically. As I've grown older (and with exposure to the JJ films - ugh) I've really grown to appreciate this movie in it's design and scope. And the music - Jesus! What majestic scoring! For me it really is closest to the spirit of the original show. I've come to regard this as my favorite of the films. It really is misunderstood and unappreciated. No, there are no battles....no action. But it's still great sci-fi.
sometimes I find myself just saying "KIRK UNIT! you will give v'ger the information!" when i want to know something
You didn't mention the part where Kirk melts his first officer on the transporter pad, then laughs when McCoy doesn't want to get in it a few minutes later.
ygg·dra·sil·media That is such a pointless subplot, too. It lasts like 15 minutes and then never comes up again.
They also didn't mention the fact that there's no conclusion to the Decker/Kirk rivalry arc. Decker just fucking dies, and Kirk doesn't have to deal with any of his problems.
KIRK: "Gee, McCoy. Why you always given me your drama about the transporter?"
MCCOY: "Oh, I don't know. Why don't you ask YOUR FORMER FIRST OFFICER??!!"
This is the first time I have seen a review of this movie where the reviewers aren’t completely shitting all over it. I love this movie and this was very respectful.
So nice to hear people respect this film. I hated it and it scared me as a kid. But when I watched it after becoming a Trek fan, I loved it. It was strange, cerebral and still felt like space was a big, scary, dangerous place. The uniforms are my favourite SF uniforms so far.
I first saw this when I was 10 maybe a month after TNG first aired. I had watched TOS since I was like 5 and had already seen 3 and 4.. TMP was so weird.. like a fever dream. I did respect it as being closer in spirit to TOS than the following movies. Also my mind was blown when I heard the “TNG” Theme music.
"Kirk Unit, why will you not give V'ger the information?"... one of my favourite ST characters is Lt. Ilia. "My oath of celibacy is on record, captain."
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
I think this is the best Re:View you guys have made so far... it fills all the holes for me.
I could listen to you guys talk about Star Trek all day. Do more.
Also the most expensive film ever made at that time at $35M. You can now get half of Jack and Jill for that kind of money.
19:17 - Mike edited out him saying it was one of the sexiest movies ever made. He probably realized how bad he sounded when he said that.
2001: A Star Trek
Love it, but still laugh at “Star Trek: The Motionless Picture.”
The Slow Motion Picture
Bones-“I was at a disco...and they beamed me up”....ha ha ha...
27:11 There's a darkness to him...
*tinted glass doors close*
I still find it funny that Mike thinks the Motion Picture uniforms were more comfortable, when the actors discomfort was one of the primary reasons they switched uniforms in Wrath of Khan and never changed them again.
They were uncomfortable to wear and an offence to the eye.
I'm amazed that no one in production realised just how terrible they were.
@@alanpennie8013 I think it's because of Roddenberry. He had this idea that clothes in the future would be one-piece and form-fitting. He made the same stipulation for the costumes on TNG. The TNG cast had the same complaints with the costumes in the first two seasons. They were intentionally made two sizes too small so they were skin tight. Patrick Stewart was actually in pain as a result. Season 3 came up and the costume department made the wise decision to say Fuck Roddenberry and make uniforms that actually fit the actors.
@@Riley_Mundt
That makes sense.
Only Roddenberry had the clout to make the cast wear romper suits.
There was an extended TV version of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture". It lasted about three days.
source please
@@ThePandoraGuy It takes that long for Kirk to fly out of the airlock with the really bad thruster suit and the incomplete FX and the wire rig getting hung up in the rafters.
@@antduude Ahh, interesting. Thank you.
Troy Tempest WASP That’s not much of an exaggeration.
It's cool that you compare this to 2001: A Space Odyssey. I've always said that it's the closest Trek ever got to Golden Age literary science fiction, to the point that it almost feels like Arthur C. Clarke could have written the script. It's also one of the earliest examples in film of the now-standard BDO (Big Dumb Object) science fiction trope (which Clarke helped to invent). For all of the film's weaknesses, I feel like it fully succeeds in making you feel AWE at the scale and majesty of V-ger. That's an emotion that I feel is completely lost now days in sci-fi, and it's a goddamn shame.
Just watched the 2022 Directors Edition. 😮 It looks absolutely stunning!
"Booring"? .. . depends WHAT you consider EXCITING in the first place. Now personally I happen to find ohhhh guns, stunts, car chases, crashes, and explosions pretty dull myself, so I don't miss THAT shit one bit when watching THIS film.
The Transporter scene freaked me out when I was 11 years old... 😲
That and the guy in the space suit desperately trying to get away from the disintegrating space station.
in both cases it's the utter silence just after the moment of death - for both ships and people. No grand explosion, just vanishing and silence.
The transporter accident victims' screams really got to me, helping to remind me of the poor ape that Brundle experimented on with his similar device in The Fly, getting turned inside-out...
Oh, hey, it's Colin from Mexico!
I never really liked TMP all that much. But after watching this video, I felt compelled to rewatch it and after doing so, I now get it and really enjoy it. Thanks Mike and Jim.
Red Letter Media's editing is some of the best on CZcams
If you read the novelization of this movie, there’s literal foot notes explaining things. One of those notes, which I remember going across the margin of three pages, was all about how Kirk & Spock aren’t fucking, they’re just best friends. Kirk is quoted, in the footnote, as saying he’s tried all kinds of things but still prefers the creature called Woman.
So a strong case of the "Not Gays" then.
Brendan Hunt another footnote was all about the size of Sarek’s genitals, so really it’s unclear.
@@RobertMungo Did the footnote end with "Not that there's anything wrong with that"?
Robert Mungo I need to read the novelization now.
@@joseph7988 Hmmm... In this context, "tip" might be the wrong word to use.