Obi-Wan Kenobi: Episodes 1-4 - re:View
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- Mike decides to see what Obi-Wan is all about. Expecting to see a show about a night club set in the world of Indiana Jones, he's sorely disappointed to find out the show is about "Star Wars". However, after watching a few episodes... he's intrigued. It's not as bad as Star Trek: Picard. The show seems somewhat competent? it's thought out with some basis of logic on what an audience might want? Mike cannot believe his eyes. A show that didn't get totally screwed up? What gives? How did this happen? Sure, it ain't the greatest thing ever, but they tried their best and it's not too bad. Mike then recruits his stupid friends Rich and Jay to watch the show as well.
Additionally, for those who have watched until the end and might be confused... Mike's analogy about "A Christmas Story" means that you religiously watch a show to the end and strung along only for it to end in disappointment. It does not mean it ends in an advertisement necessarily.... Just a huge disappointment. Hence forth this shall be known in internet slang as being "Ovaltine'd". Thank you and good night. - Zábava
Much like how the Empire tortured Jedi until they became inquisitors, Star Trek Picard tortured Rich and Mike until they became fans of Kenobi
Their hack fraud failure is now complete
I think it's clear now that Jay is a vampire and he gets younger every year because he's draining the life essence out of Rich and Mike
Its like poetry, it rhymes
@@Jim-yl6tf Jesus, I read your comment then looked back up while the video was playing at 2.50 and thought Jay had suddenly revealed his vampire powers to drag the soul out of Rich's body.
It’s stylistically designed to be that way.
The whole review felt like Jay trying to convince his friends they're joining a cult and the friends doing mental gymnastics to reason why they aren't joining a cult.
Cults work best when people are at their worst. Mike and Rich will be at their worst for awhile because of Star Trek: Picard.
@@johnaylward2015 Picard has ruined them lol
People are most likely to join cults when they are at their most emotionally vulnerable part of their lives. It appears Star Trek: Picard brought Mike and Rich to that point.
This is so accurate
He is right.
"Darth Maul comes back for revenge and they have a showdown in Tatooine"
Who's gonna tell him?...
Thing is they had like over a decade worth of actual good characterization for Maul and shown history between him and Obi Wan beyond phantom menace in the cartoons. That showdown was actually extremely tastefully done, the way they called back to the samurai stuff that inspired a lot of OT starwars and made it totally character driven. I genuinely love that showdown, some of the best Star Wars ever done. Shame Rebels didn't sustain that quality.
@@mousasha-yeah, the only good part of Rebels.
"It's so cheap I'm happy with it" and "I prefer slow and awkward action." Are we sure Mike is okay
Picard broke his brain
Are we sure you are okay? Did you ever hear about the original trilogy? It was cheap by comparison and the action was slow and awkward by comparison. But it still has far more charm. That is obviously the point they are making
@@bilbobaggins9451 the same way mandalorian was credited for returning to the style of the OT. It has to do with filming everything on set pretty much, and not relying so heavily on CGI which made the prequels into a childish shit show, and sequels and Rogue One into a clusterfuck of rushed crap being thrown on the screen in a desperate attempt to create anything of substance (Rise of Skywalker being so rushed in the pacing its a prime example of how not to do world building. You have to give the world and lore a chance to breathe)
@@bilbobaggins9451 dude after seeing the lava fight on mustafar I wanted to rip my eyes out. That childish cgi video game bullshit is so pathetic. Obi Wan get major props for SIMPLIFYING, thats the key right there. Just build real sets and make simple scenes, its astonishing how much better it automatically becomes by just following these simple rules. Does every stage look perfect? Of course not. But by God the relief of something simple in this world after the cgi fuckfest that was prequels and sequels, its like I could finally take a dump after a week of constipation, thats how I would describe it.
@@bilbobaggins9451 what exactly do you mean by stagecraft? The sets in Obi Wan were rather inspired by the original trilogy I would say. Sure Vader has his throne on Mustafar or whatever, but its not displayed in this over the top fashion with silly cgi creatures and structures everywhere like in the prequels
This was a terrifying look at late stage dementia. It’s all up to Jay now.
Jay IMO seems to have a better eye for art and a bigger concern for actual directing and style of something. Obi-wan might be one of the worst directed shows I've ever seen. Stuff like the sets and CGI all are solid, the acting is fine, and even the story isn't terrible, but goddamn I've never seen directing sink a show the way it has here. The action scenes are directed as Jay says clunky and awkward. There are some cool moments in this that should end up being a lot more fun but end up looking like a cheap ass fan film because it seems to be shot by an 80 year old with palsy.
*Star Trek: Picard
@@megatom5 The choreography and action editing to me is the worst part of it all, for disney a billion dollar corporation you’d think even for a Disney plus show they’d have those things up to standard but goddamn, with things like the fight at the last episode it’s so awkward, non impactful with the saber hits and maneuvers, and you could even see beats in the choreography where they both have an open shot to stab each other but just don’t.
@@megatom5 that Leia chase scene is one of the worst chase scenes I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Like laughably bad, I couldn’t believe that flew by a bunch of exec at a billion dollar company.
I would disagree on the writing to a certain degree. The writing is pretty bad, but that’s because the show is structured like a feature length movie. Ep 1 feels like Act 1, the last ep feels like Act 3. Everything else in between is filler, legit eps 2-5 are the exact same. Obi goes to planet, he gets chased by inquisitors, he escapes, reva gets bashed for failing. And also it’s just weird this is the story they decided to tell for a obi wan Kenobi show, him helping Leia get home instead of something I don’t, more focused on Obi and Vader and the past you know, not this rescue mission.
@@thesexyshark1646 I think the writing is abysmal without regards to structure. Just what occurs and how characters act and react is impossibly stupid, the trenchcoat scene is the epitome of the shite-tower. Every character is 'selectively dumb' when the writers want them to be, Leia is apparently a savant at cold-reading/ employing force powers willy-nilly. A 10 year old does not outrun 3 grown adults in a relatively open forest, let alone three adults prepared for the child and seeking to capture her. Reva's entire character is Kylo 2.0 "she's angry", multiple people survive impaling with a PLASMA SWORD that emits enough heat to melt blast doors.
Trash writing, with no understanding or appreciation of the lore, that actively makes the characters less capable simply because the writers are not interested in cohesive story, they just want to hit certain beats and move it down the production line.
Jay's trying desperately not to let Mike and Rich unironically become part of The Nerd Crew.
They clapped, they clapped when it was practical affects.
@@sammerry7706 They clapped, they clapped when they didn't see Mustafar.
He's out here doing god's work
it's funny seeing this review after the millions of 'don't ask questions just consume' quote comments going around online about this show
I mean every compliment they gave it was completely back-handed but I mean if that was your take away from nerd crew then sure
the Leia chase scene was possibly the worst "action" scene filmed in recent times, like you see the chasers literally slowing down to let the child outrun them
fr some lifetime movie shit lmao
You forget about the bike Boba chase scene in the BoB.
@@brad5426 that almost seems like intentional comedy it's so bad lmfao
@@SilentSolvent yeah haha
I liked it
Disney finally succeeded in their ultimate goal. Break people until they will accept mediocrity. Even Mike and Rich.
I've said it for years disney just got really good at convincing people where the bar should be. Its just easier for them that way and they have been doing it for longer than you would think.
Capitalism brother, capitalism
That's the entire film industry, not just disney lol
@@geedee1264 ...what? lol Go cradle your copy of the Communist Manifesto because we know the commies produced immensely entertaining media. Jesus.
Disney succeeded at that in the early 90's. Ever since than every normie is foaming at the mouth for the latest Disney product. You don't have to try to achieve anything on your own talent, merit, or virtue, just splat that Disney logo and people start crying.
Jay was hoping that Mike and Rich would join him in tearing through the show.
But they subverted Jay's expectations, and he's now alone...in a dark void of dementia.
these comments are making me lose it 😹
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There were moments where it felt like Jay just didn't know what to say because he was caught in this conversation with his two friends that had clearly been off their space dementia meds and were almost unrecognizable in their own starved-for-sanity addled minds, sharing in their adjacent psychosis. It was sad, really. They're still fairly young, but they clearly need to be put into some sort of mentally deteriorated assisted living facility. It's just too much for Jay to care for them on his own.
It's confirmed. Jay is the only one we can trust on Star Wars now. He's the only one who hasn't succumbed to the brain damage from Star Trek Picard.
Mike and Rich already shared this attitude about Star Wars before _Picard_ though. The dynamic between their three opinions was exactly the same in their _Solo_ review. Mike and Rich thought it was “super okay” as just a small-scale adventure in the SW universe while Jay wasn’t as hot on it.
If you watch the Solo half in the bag, Rich and Mike were already slipping to the dark side
Jay has no sentimentality for anything other than body horror sex pervert movies and so the only thing he can be ruined by nostalgia on is, like, a David Lynch snuff film.
Jay's the key to all this.
I also don't blame Mike and Rich. They were brave to watch Picard...but this is what it cost us. I'm not sure if it was worth it.
Don't forget they made a point to talk about Obi-Wan's brother. Expect a spinoff series about the brother he never knew called Obi-Two.
Also played by Ewan Macgregor
@@zizoumonk10 Played by Conor McGregor. He's the evil brother.
Played by Idris Elba but he's actually a trans woman in a force sensitive wheelchair
Wild Chet Kenobi, in Space.
Obie-Twice, real name, no gimmicks
Jay has the only close to sane takes in this conversation. We knew Mike had dementia. Rich now officially has it, too. The Star Trek has truly rotted their brains beyond being salvageable.
Why, cuz he shat all over something people like just like he usually does? Sorry, but what exactly was sane about any take Jay has on any Star Wars movie/TV?
@@wonder_city_bot8226 It was 9 months ago and I don't feel like rewatching to get full context or quotes, so I can only guess that he had tempered or negative opinions on the show, while Mike and Rich enjoyed/excused it.
The Kenobi show is dog shit the whole way through.
@@alexhayden219 Just finished re-watching it, and your recollection here is pretty accurate. Mike and Rich were dazzled by Star Wars achieving mediocrity, which they aren't used to after watching so much Nu Trek.
@@radioJim It's not even mediocrity, the show is absolute garbage and somehow they compeltely ignore all the negatives like they would normaly point out while Jay treats it like any other piece of shit media we are treated to by disney star wars nowadays
Huh Jay also excuses it
Jay’s visible confusion of Rich and Mike saying they enjoy this goofy show is hilarious. 😆
Jay needs to find the conviction to actually challenge those two on their plebian opinions.
@@terrybunch7313 Jay doesn't care enough to make a big point of it. He rather lets his elderly friends enjoy their dementia and wishfull thinking induced delusion.
Star Trek has lowered their expectations so thoroughly that it sort of makes a weird sense.
Only watched two episodes of the show so far... My opinion of it falls in the middle. I probably like it less than Mike/Rich, but more than Jay. It's bad... but I certainly enjoy it more than that dreadful Boba Fett show. You can do worse... solid little time waster if you are laying in bed on a Sunday morning nursing a hangover. (Note: I largely stopped taking Star Wars serious when I was walking out the theater after seeing Phantom Menace, if you are a hardcore fan who bleeds midiclorians, then I could see you being annoyed by the TV Movie of the Week production values and corny kid actor stuff)
@@control_the_pet_population Wait until you get to episode 5. You would need 2 hours to get through all that is wrong with that 1 hour episode.
Picard really destroyed these men. It was so bad it broke them to a point where they don't care about anything anymore. You can feel jay wanting to scream inside every time they say Kenobi was okay LMAO. Eventhough he really doesn't care either, but I guess not watching Picard spared him.
I'm completely with Jay. He looks totally baffled at the two of them. It's like watching two guys with dementia.
I think they got so used to hating Picard they started hating it *because* it was Picard, and they were so happy to get a mainline shot of Star Wars straight no chaser they turned their brains off and decided not to hold it to the same standards with which they ripped the prequels.
Jay is the only one that has retained his sanity. Mike & Rich are totally broken. They're not even paying attention anymore.
I can’t believe I agree with Jay. We are in the darkest of timelines.
"It's a guilty pleasure without the guilt."
No. You are guilty.
I usually disagree with Jay's cynical takes on these kinds of stuff, but this time I am more leaning to his view. Mike and Rich have been permanently brain damaged by the Picard show; like, I get it that they can find amusing how "cheap" the show looks and resolves their stuff, but this is not an actually cheap show, this is a Diseny multimillion dollar production. It's a thing about care and talent rather than a budget constrain.
isn't this show something like 200 million dollars?
Yeah exactly. I feel like the Mike/Rich Trek reviews are full of the "correct" response because they are heavily invested in Trek, and we're watching that crumble in real time. But their investment in Star Wars died a long time ago, and so they're just shrugging. I wish this breakdown was more along the lines of their recent Trek work. They don't even remember enough Star Wars lore to point out the large holes in the Kenobi plot. With Picard, they'd point out things that broke Trek lore in perfect deadpan, but with this, it's just all a big meh. And that's fair, I can't demand that they re-invest to break it down like they do Trek, but I was hoping for a little more of that in this review.
@@nhagan001 - There is like 25 million dollars per episode.
@@broco1163 - Yeah, they clearly don't care about Star Wars enough to make a serious critique, I feel like Jay tried to bring up technical aspects but Rich and Mike kept shuting him down while valuing the cheap nature of the show.
I always found kind of hypocritical how Mike and Rich get to be massive Star Trek nerds and memorize thousands of episodes yet dismiss any lore or continuity detail from Star Wars. Granted, they are clearly bigger fans of Star Trek and they are not obliged to have the same dedication for Star Wars, but it bugs me how sometimes they have these ideas for how Star Wars could be better not knowing those ideas have been executed a long time ago in better Star Wars media they are not willing to look into. Their need for Obi Wan to gain a consistent and interesting personality was done years ago in TCW, making him a responsible paternal figure with a charmingly sassy attitude, theyveven had him having his own romantic subplot; back in then they didn't need to recycle the Old-Man formula to make something interesting.
They also keep making fun of Darth Maul yet they do not know how he's practically an entire different character in the animated shows, they even had a Samurai style battle (similar to their requests as for how a lightsaber duel should be) as his final confrontation with Obi Wan, in a moment with a level of tension and dept the Obi Wan show can only dream of.
@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley Oh jesus christ! There is no excuse for that!
I'll always laugh at Jay during these. He just doesn't understand why Mike and Rich have so much emotion wrapped up in these franchises that he knows will only keep hurting them
Probably bc he's the only one with a wife.
@@DarkAngelEU isn't Rich married?
i like how Picard broke their minds so badly they thought Jurassic World Dominion was okay
Jay saying it's okay is concerning
@@rory90FiVe it was okay. It wasn't good, it was okay
@@rory90FiVe agreed
@@GavinAeilts no it was 3/10 = bad. "Ok" means above average which is 6/10. It in no way deserves that score
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 no dominion was more like Picard to me. It broke me.
BASIL OREGANO! HE’S PRINCESS LEIA’S NON-BIOLOGICAL FATHER!
is genuinely one of my favorite mike quotes and his callback to it made me smile
HE GOT BLOWED UP ON ALDERAN
MON MOTHMA'S BACK!
JIMMY SMITS!
I clapped! I clapped when he said that!!
It's the planet that got blowed up!
My favorite moment is when Jimmy Smith just calls Obi Wan on the phone from another planet and they talk like it's nothing, yet in A New Hope Leia had to record a message and have it physically delivered via droid. Guess Obi Wan's camel ate the phone or something.
Lmfaoooooo didn’t even notice this
Fair point. But dont forget that between Episodes 3 and 4 the Emperor and Imperials power is growing. In Ep 4 you hear that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. So we know the power of the Imperials is extremely high in Ep 4.
Plus Leia's ship was being pursued and sending any inter-galactic transmission would kinda be noticed by the Imperials. She had to manually get the information to Obi-Wan
@@analcommando1124 they absolutely hadn’t considered this in the writer’s room
Didn't spot that haha
@@analcommando1124 That's a lot of work to patch a plot hole that shouldn't have been there in the first place
If Mcgregor wasn't in it, I would be 200% impressed by how much effort these fans put into making this amateur series.
Are they REALLY fans?
@@chilboswaggins5500To be fair, not all fanmade projects are "good"
Mike and Rich's tolerance for clunky action is their Star Trek showing.
Yes. What they ignore is that stuff was clunky and cheap because it was cheap. This is Disney and they find a way to fuck it up. I agree the action shouldn't be over the top prequel style but it doesn't have to look so stupid and hilarious either. I'm with Jay I burst out laughing at the opening and remembered why I don't enjoy Star Wars.
@@nutyyyy go watch ep 5 vader vs reva fight around minute 30, actually dope. ep5 singlehandedly blew 1 to 4 out of the water in general
@@tomdijk5549 It was better but I thought that still looked pretty damn goofy
@@pollertry4003 In my opinion star wars has always had an inherent goofiness to it and for me it adds to the charm. It's all about striking the right balance.
It was cheap because probably had to pay Ewen McGregor a truck full of money since he is an actual actor.
Everytime I see an announcement of a new show/movie (Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, Halo etc) I think of when Rich said "How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames" 🤣
Mike’s response is great too:
“It feels great…”
Top Comment 💯
Stop complaining and enjoy product and get excited for next product.
Heck ya. I dont even watch them anymore. I just wait for red letter crew to do it for me and tell me how to feel.
Totally
It bothered me how in the rooftop gunfight he was pretty terrible with the blaster (like in Episode 2 when he killed Grievous but clearly doesn't like using blasters), but then in the next episode with the laser gate, he is an incredible sharpshooter and despatches about 5 troopers in 5 shots.
Then 3 more stormtroopers pull up and he surrenders as if they are somehow now a massive problem, purely to facilitate the bait and switch by the spy officer.
Yeah I thought the same. He was just gonna surrender to three stormtroopers when he has a lightsaber and can literally control minds with suggestion. They couldn’t afford an AT-ST at least ?
I will say there is an aspect to the show that Obi-wan's powers are coming back to him more and more with each episode, so I dunno if that is supposed to be part of that or not, but I noticed it too.
I had more of a problem with how Leia was faster than him (and like any adult) in that scene on the rooftops lol
Grievous was in Episode 3, not Episode 2
@@sleepyseahorsetv don't think he cares
The repeat clips of obi wan just continually running away at a normal completely unhurried speed have got me dead 💀 (remember the super-fast run down the hallway in episode 1 with him and quigon???)
In my head I added Curly's "whoop whoop whoop whoop!" from the 3 Stooges.
@@philliptivis3082 nice
They never used it again.
@@GeorgeMonet imagine how OP that speed is in universe.
For me it's the edit of obi looking out the window watching Darth Vader dance with lol
In these videos Jay always looks like a home care assistant awkwardly speaking to his two elderly patients about their youth
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LMAO
Mike & Rich are like two guys who were stranded in the wilderness for week, just happy to have clean drinking water again. Meanwhile, Jay is a guy wondering if two dishevelled men smiling about tab water are mentally sound.
Tab water sounds like a euphemism for liquid LSD
Fun fact, the only reason American tap water is consistently low in quality is because we all got duped into the Bottled Water industry.
In other countries like Sweden, they mostly just drink tap and it's WAY higher in quality
@@Maxisamo1 also because europe and its northern ex wive in general has fucking STANDARDS, for piping and plumbing for example.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Well yeah just look at Flint Michigan, they STILL don't have proper drinking water
Tab is an underrated beverage.
I can't believe how many predictions these guys consistently get correct.
Or their predictions that were better than what we got, I'm looking at you Palpatine's evil Ewok death cult.
@@johnfriday5169 Palpatine's Ewok death cult really is a masterstroke
And then they just be laughing about it uncontrollably not knowing 😂
They think like hack frauds they make fun of. Shockingly, people who have no right to create stories are writing and creating stories.
It’s not very hard to predict what they are going to write nowadays
_"The worst thing they could do is have Darth Maul fight Obi Wan on Tatooine."_
HAHA, JOKES ON YOU! They already did that in the Rebels series! (I haven't watched it, but from what I've heard the scene is actually pretty well executed)
Ha I was looking for this comment. Yeah, it was actually a really good scene.
It's fine. It's basically just a congratulatory little thing for Star Wars fans who spent far too long watching the Qui-Gon vs Maul duel and committed its choreography to memory. As for what it actually adds to the characters? Well, it's a big fat nothing. Thankfully the "duel" is over in less than two seconds.
Darth Maul's entire arc throughout Clone Wars and his smaller part in Rebels is unironically actually some of the best Star Wars content that's ever been done. The Clone Wars series finale was extremely good - though I would skip Rebels and just watch the brief character moments from Obi-wan and Maul to Darth Vader and Ahsoka.
@@mphylo2296
It adds a lot for both characters actually.
For Kenobi his commitment to being a Jedi and comforting the man who killed everything he loved twice.
For Maul the ending of his arc and the death of his character.
@@mphylo2296 As it should. It's a send off to how bad it was to have the bombastic fights in the prequels. Jedi fights should be samurai duels. Bamboo stick hits, two sabers clash, one guy falls down.
I love how everyone in the comments agrees with jay. Picard has damaged rich and mikes brains.
I guess after you eat shit for so long you eventually come to enjoy the taste.
It has.
Kenobi seems better than Picard to me.
Edit: I've finally watched Kenobi, it's pretty good.
@@reek4062 it absolutely is, but it's a wide spectrum.
Picard & Shark Exorcist.
I'm loving the Mike and Rich character arc of becoming more and more cynical and jaded towards these franchises to the point where mediocrity is completely fine.
Really? I find their cynicism and bitterness really uninspired and exhausting. Like having a friend who doesn’t nothing but complain
The circle is now complete
@@cameronschmit6472 Uninspired and exhausting is how I would describe Disney shows.
@@georgeha380 - Just like Human Centipede
@@rainpuppies I mean Mandalorian season 1 and to a lesser extent season 2 are still some of the best Star Wars media out there. That being said Boba and Obi Wan have definitely made me fear the potential fate of season 3.
I feel the biggest reason it feels cheap is the soundtrack. The music is very generic action. It doesn't have the magic of John Williams Star Wars feeling. I'm a film editor myself and I'm very tempted to do a cut down of the whole series into a 2 hour film with the original score. Although I wouldnt be able get a music-less version of the episodes but I'm convinced there's a better edit of this in there.
better than the overly bombastic duels of the prequels
@@reek4062 They were far from good, but they had a charm. You could tell there was still an author behind them.
Ludwig Göransson probably could have done a better job with the score.
@@reek4062 no, no it isn't
Listening to Mike and Rich trying to convince themselves that parts of this show are decent just because they're opposite with elements from the prequels is some of the most acrobatic mental gymnastics I've ever seen.
SO TRUE
Huh? Parts of it ARE decent, it's an uneven mixed-quality show.
There actually are some decent bits though. For instance, the first episode showing Obiwan working on that meat line was pretty cool and him stealing bits of meat for his mount was endearing.
Its _amazing_ to me how rlm "fans" will bend over backwards to try and rationalize why they could like something they didn't.
@@commandernomad2817 it's amazing how you used "they" for two different groups in the same sentence.
I love the "WRONG" stamp gimmick. Please don't stop that.
I second this
It's good to know that accountability still exists
Here here! Motion carries?
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My prediction for the plot if they make a season 2:
“Master Windu, how did you survive your fall?”
“A good question, for another time.”
24 episode mace windu mini series arriving in 2024
"My Lightsaber is the one that says bad motherfucker!"
@@yourbrainonegg159 With CGI-face-Ai voice Samuel L. Jackson.
He always said he was desperate to play mace again so I'd say it's pretty likely.if palpatine can survive the fall in rotj then mace could too.
This godamn Disney machine churning out one endless multiverse after another.
The thing I like most about the discussion is that it’s really about family
i don’t watch star wars anymore. i just watch middle-aged men review star wars.
I feel like Rich's main argument in favor of the show could be condensed down to: "Compared to a rancid puddle of diarrhea, it's really not that bad."
He’s probably not wrong
And Mike says "I´ll literally enjoy having fecal matter rubbed into my eyeballs, so I enjoyed Obi-Wan Kenobi."
It's more like a puddle of fresh, high quality diarrhea
I saw this comment on EFAP, much KEK!
He provided his reasons for liking the show. I agreed with most of them.
I love that after they killed the kids at the temple, they not only put every single one of them in amber, but kept their dumb training hats on. I giggled a bit seeing that shot.
Hahahahahaha
LOL that got me too
They had to reattach some of their limbs, but I think overall it worked out great
"I always hear producers talking in my head"
the 1977 Vader wasn't as one-dimensional as you remember, considering lines like "Don't be overly proud of this technological terror you've created, the ability to destroy planets is insignificant next to the power of the force", which made his character more mysterious generally than just a typical villainous trope.
OT Vader will always be great
It was a good line but one wonders why, if that's the case, Vader didn't force-crush the planet after Luke destroyed the Death Star
@Danderson-pr4vj My takeaway from that line was that the power of the Force is the power to control the minds of people, which is ultimately far more important for a ruler than blunt instruments of violence. The Death Star can kill as a means to an end, terrorizing the populace into passivity, but that's just a roundabout means of reaching the same goal. The Empire as presented in the original film seemed to have to rely on things like that specifically because it didn't have enough people like Vader using the power of "ancient religions", and that was what he was telling the military off for.
The fact that Mike and Rich's character arcs ended with them liking this new star wars product really is like poetry.
It broke new ground!
it rhymes
I think they've been beaten into submission.
That's either Stockholm syndrome or battered housewife syndrome
Mike and rich are funnier characters than we’ve ever had
I love that the real duel that does happen between obi-wan and darth maul in rebels is exactly what Mike wants. It lasts 15 seconds. I love it it’s like a samurai movie.
If that's the ending of season 2 and then they stop making this show I would be so happy.
One of the best moments in Rebels
@@annikinstarkiller600 considering rebels is not a show that makes you think "good moments", them relaying on an old character was sadly a top moment
@@astronautadejakku9699 it’s a pretty good show actually. Glad they’re continuing the story in Ahsoka
@@ssznull3138 I did watch it. Mostly filler, that's the thing, it buries the good moments. Ahsoka is perfect and she belongs to animation. For as much as I've liked her since TCW I wasn't quite convinced with her appearance in Mando, sadly, especially since it clearly was fan service
RLM has gotten to the point when they need to regard SW as farce/satire to appreciate it.
They're not wrong. I just watched a 5'3" woman slap a Stormtrooper upside the head and fall unconscious.
No, not even! She literally just open-palm pushed their face away, and managed to hit some hidden "self destruct" nerve, like it was some sorta hack martial arts technique.
Lol 🤣 I think to appreciate ANY piece of media made for children, you're gonna need to form some sort of dissonance hehee. Maybe try watching something at LEAST made for teens 😹. I mean you sound like a 15 year old over-using words he just learned to sound mature ("farce/satire"??? Just pick one word bro 😂) so I think you might enjoy that content more
@@coulahawke1411 I don't enjoy the overuse of emojis.
I know crap writing and poor character development when I see it. And the oooold argument that SW is made for children to explain away elementary production value and stupid plot holes has just become tedious and predictable.
So yeah, throw me a sad/crying face. Or a laughy face. Or just a strategically placed lol.
@@mrkemrk "I don't enjoy the overuse of emojis 🤓."
@@coulahawke1411 damn so kids don’t deserve at least an ok show? Poor kids.
How can one find the prequels complete garbage but say that this show is super ok? I will never ever understand this.
"It's crap but it's not the flaming, nuclear white-hot septic tank that was Picard, therefore it's good!"
~Mike and Rich, victims of Stockholm Syndrome.
It's official: Kurtzman has completely broken Mike and Rich's brains
Agreed. I can't believe they didn't tear this show apart.
Kurtzman made them (somewhat) positive of a Star Wars show: I wouldn't have believed it 3 years ago.
@@Morrowind4732 it's really easy to do when you muddy the waters and ignore the awful shit
This iceparadox guy seems pretty cool.
Ironically Star Trek Strange New Worlds is amazing and the best Trek since the golden age all because Kurtzman had nothing to do with it
Are these the same guys who ripped the prequels to shreds??
Never thought I'd see the day when Jay had the best take
“Self inflicted television wound.”
This type of off the cuff brilliance is what has kept me around for 11 years. 🤣
Get help
@@Jim-yl6tf it's super okay
@@Jim-yl6tf I did, but it wasn’t much help though. 🤕
Rich Evans once again hitting the nail on the head: "They wisely don't explain it, so they can do whatever the fuck they want in the future."
Except that it was explained in Rebels.
Rich knows everything.
@@buh2001j what was the explanation
@@music79075 They're dead, they use their... spirits? presence? (It's been a while and I didn't like it then) ...combined with strategic rumor-planting to lure other Jedi in.
It's also strangely more dark, they used Luminara in Rebels and she looked completely mummified. I'm surprised they didn't do that here
I can’t believe they’re trying to convince themselves it’s a good show. Didn’t see that one coming.
They never did that
I feel almost exactly like them I think. I'm still more of a defender than them but I'm a realist. The show barely pulls it off but they did pull it off.
@@HextimusDuex the show surpassed a low bar handily
They subverted your expectations.
32:30 The toy that Obi-Wan tries giving Owen has an interesting backstory, in A New Hope it was a very early concept model, specifically one kitbashed by Colin Cantwell who did the first vehicle designs back in 1975. It's partly why it looks so clean and new in the original movie, it was a prop made before they made the models look more weathered. Cantwell left before major production began and languished in obscurity as a key figure in early star wars production until the last decade of his life. The model became the basis of the T-16 Skyhopper. A full size prop was never built (edit - it was but not used in full shots - thanks for the heads up @stootv!) but it was mentioned in the radio drama and in later media. So ironically the model Obi-Wan tries to give Owen is noticeably different because it resembles the T-16 that has been well established now in the franchise, not a vague spaceship the original model actually was.
Hi, Joshuatxuk. Actually, a full-sized Skyhopper was built (most of it anyway) and it's in the movie with quite a bit of screen time! I've been a huge fan since '77 but didn't notice until the mid-'90s and, when I pointed it out to my friends, they were completely stunned, too. It's hiding in plain sight!
@@StooTV correct! what I said was misleading, it was def built but they didn't have enough in the budget to finish it out and use it. Love all those details from the 1977 version, especially in the deleted scenes.
And it’s introduced in the show by a Jawa subtitled to say “They don’t make these like they used to, very rare.” or something like that. I’m relying on days old memory.
I wasnt able to sleep not knowing where that ship that appears for 5 seconds in the original movie came from
Sorry.. you said interesting?
My favorite scene in Kenobi was when Rich Evans showed up on Tatooine as an inquisitor and fought Obi-Wan with his big red lightsaber. I clapped when I saw that
I think him screaming "AT-STs" the whole scene was a little forced, even if he played it well.
@DONT WATCH MY VIDEO Don't stick around.
I thought the pilot the third sister killed in episode 3 was rich lol
That wasnt a lightsaber.
Also that wasnt what you would call fighting.
And no that gas station toilet wasnt Tatooine.
I cried butterfly tears
Jeez, Rich and Mike’s antidepressants must have gotten refilled. Thought they’d be in line with Jay.
The boys have gotten soft in their old age.
They've been through Star Trek's. They already pass the nostalgia feel now
anti-depressants make you worse.
Jay hates everything that isn't David Lynch. He can't be trusted as a taste barometer.
@@bassvibasics479 I absolutely trust him as a taste barometer for that very reason
Jay not watching Picard is my favorite thing right now. Thank you for not being clouded by a low set bar.
Jay had the same views as them.
Why would jay have watched Picard
Poor Jay, this should count as charity work for him.
This episode was just watching Jay feel like he's on crazy pills.
With a bit more enthusiasm and sarcasm, Rich and Mike's review of Kenobi could sound like an episode from the Nerd crew.
Mike: And the action was just really great. I like the stylistic decision to have it be really cheap, clunky, and awkward
Jay: Very cool
Rich: I was completely fine with how average this show is. It really works in it's favor
Jay: Very cool
SO TRUE! I wish superliking comments was a thing on CZcams
Well, Me personally, I loved this show.
Especially the parts that made me want to choke on my own vomit. VERY COOL.
God I miss nerd crew
Jay: Give it up
Everyone applauds
I clapped when I saw it !
A Re:View with three people in it? And no poster? And in the black void from all the very special episodes of HiTB? And the last void one was titled Half in the Worst. This has been a captivating evolution.
Sucks that Andor isn't a flagship release for SW. So these guys won't bother even though it's the best thing from Star Wars since the OT.
Why tho? What is so great about it? Its much like rogue one, bloated and boring.
Obi-Wan trying to sneak out of an imperial base in a giant trench coat was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time
And he almost made a complete getaway
@@e.452 .... If it wasn't for those damn kids!
With four legs!
Just needed a big fake mustache
Was like when Austin Powers stood on mini me's shoulders
Every time I think Obi Wan has the potential to be really special it manages to do something incredibly embarrassing instead. What a strange show.
So true. Its such a wasted chance
Every time? Lol this show was quickly unsalvageable
At least he's not as boring as uncle Owen, the glorified baby-sitter and morose lump. I'm now glad he gets cooked.
@@aarondavis8943 the fuck does Uncle Owen have to do with anything tho, even in Kenobi he doesn't play a big role lol
WE NEED THAT OWEN SHOW PLEASE DISNEY
22:29 The editing in this is powerful, i laughed out loud at this
Obi’s eyes are like “what have you become Anakin!?”
47:50 about an episode feeling like a con because very little happens: I feel like that is such a staple with long running TV shows. I remember really noticing that for The Walking Dead, especially in the Season 4 and 5 episodes, where it felt like 50 minutes of boring filler and then something big happened in the last 10 minutes to make a wild cliffhanger so that the audience feels like they have to tune in next week to see what happens. Even though it will be another 50 minutes of boring nothing before the interesting finale happens.
Also Rich was being so incredibly generous with the "streaming a long show is new, the quality will go up in the future." 'Prestige Television' as a concept has been around for decades and people very much know how to make an interesting show that has hour long episodes without ads. Just call a spade a spade and say that thw writers/directors/producers behind this show did a bad job and didn't know what story they wanted to tell or how to tell it well.
Yeah I don’t agree with their assessment there. Shows like lost went on forever with nothing happening. Disney is not going to make more money by increases the episodes from 6 to 8 on obi wan… not that many people finish a series and instantly cancel. I also enjoyed the pace of stranger things. When a show comes out ever 3 years it’s nice to just watch
The problem is @10:20 is that Obi-Wan runs out the right side of the frame, and then runs back into the quarry from the right side of the frame again. It makes it look like he's coming back to the same place instead of going further away
It's like they forgot how to direct basic action
Yeah, it was a combination of really poor blocking, bad direction, and dismal editing.
This assumes they knew how in the first place.
Yesss! This was soo weird hahaha. I happen to be a video editor for my day job so bothered probably even a little extra, but I was like that’s weird for anyone honestly it might have even been worth it to just flip the shot
There are a bunch of odd directional issues and edits like this in the other episodes too. It really makes me wonder how slapped together this was.
That entire encounter did literally everything wrong from a cinematography perspective. It was abysmal.
We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master
Except when we fought on Tatooine that one time.
Exactly what everyone was thinking. Slight bit of retcon there....
Why is Anakin being alive somehow a surprise to Obi-Wan? Ten years of Vader and the Inquisitors hunting down any surviving Jedi and ruling the galaxy. Obi-Wan sees the Emperor call Anakin "Vader" after he slaughters the Younglings.
Also, the reason Star Wars fans hate loser Luke is it doesn't seem to match his character. After everything that he overcomes in the OT, and saving his father, seeing the good in him and his faith in the Jedi never wavers - having him completely fall via a flashback feels cheap.
1000% correct
The scene of him seeing Vader killing the younglings happened before their duel. The last Obi-Wan saw of Anakin was him burning alive. It's fair to say he assumed Anakin burned to death.
@@ProdMisguided "It's fair to say he assumed Anakin burned to death." Simply put, I don't agree. Obi-Wan knows Anakin is Vader. In the 10 years that the Empire is ruling over the galaxy and Vader continuing to hunt down the remaining Jedi, with Obi-Wan being sporadically in touch with Bail Organa... It's unreasonable to not assume Obi-Wan would know Vader survived.
@@TheCannell
Bail made it very clear they hadn’t been in contact in years, and Obi-Wan doesn’t exactly get any major news channels on Tatooine. Go live alone in the Gobi desert for ten years after watching your politician friend burn alive, then tell me it’s reasonable for you to know he’s become U.S. president.
Feel the show is subverting our assumptions (rightly so) rather than expectations.
It's believable to me that someone out of practice for ten years and a complete recluse under a literal rock wouldn't know wtf is happening in the world at large
“Darth Maul comes back for revenge”
If only you knew how bad things are
Has anyone mentioned the fact that Obi Wan is turned into Fred Flintstone? Works in a quarry? Rides a dinosaur home? Lives in a cave? Yabba dabba doo.
Cutting to Leia and Obi-Wan holding hands while Mike says “that’s why I think Obi-Wan is gonna be smooching on that lady” is the most out of pocket thing I’ve seen on this channel.
Out of pocket?
@@virus2003 I think he means "out of line"
59:44
@@quercus3290 Out of pocket loosely means money. It is an old pimp term meaning you were out of line. So yeah technically he is right. The money part came from the pimp's perspective meaning she was messing with his pockets. Literally anything a "hoe" does that he hasn't instructed her to do was a threat to his pockets. They even have terms like "reckless eyeballing" for a "hoe" if she even looks at him wrong, or for too long. These terms are very esoteric in the pimp game. These terms leaked to the general public and it loses it's meaning. Kinda like a game of telephone.
@@quercus3290 Well technically yeah, it's made up. Pimps made it up. At least this variation of "Out of pocket" has it's roots in urban speak passed down from pimps. There is a whole language that's being memed now. The word "Simp" for example. The opposite of pimp. It gets thrown around now by people with no clue of it's origins.
If you think the common usage of "Out of pocket" when it comes to someone saying or doing something out of line has it's origins in England ... Then I don't know what to tell ya. "Out of cash" "Pockets on E" "Empty pockets" "Nothing but hard dick and bubble gum". "Nothing but lent" "Moths in my pocket " "Broke as a joke" All expressions of having no cash.
That's not what this saying, in THIS context means
Only episodes 4, 5, and 6 are canon. Just accept it.
A human taxidermist working for Vader and the Inquisitorius is really funny and sounds like something from the old canon. I'd take it.
When Kenobi confronts Vader, why doesn't he run up on top of that little hill instead of behind it? Then he'd have the high ground
It's over Darth Vader...!
“I like putting fecal matter in my eyes” “I like that I feel bad for enjoying this” - Mike Stoklasa in his positive review of Obi-Wan: A Star Wars Story
That's the best part of the video. I'm not annoyed in the slightest that they enjoyed it, it was hilarious.
its funny that everyones acting like they sold out, but those quotes sum exactly what they thought
Did Mike and Rich take Gonk Zonk? Stick to your guns Jay.
Yeah, that's part of the problem, the prequels set us up for these lower expectations.
Being so cynical you loop back around to feeling relieved that you can enjoy something because you don't care anymore is one hell of a place to be in life
Thats the entire philosophy of Nietzsche
*cue John Mellencamp
🎶 Ain't that America, something to see baby 🎶
I like RLM, but IMO they sometimes get a bit too cynical about new stuff. Like, the original movies were great, but at the end of the day, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, and others are just popcorn flicks. There can be recurring themes and small character building moments, but none of them are gonna win tons of awards. So when new content isn't the second coming of Christ, you don't need to be mad or upset about it, and you can even enjoy it anyway. And I think after seeing how bad it can be, Mike and Rich have taken a more measured and optimistic approach to media that I think is much healther.
@@philbattiste9649 I like Mike and Rich’s arc. they’re definitely becoming more chill and less overly cynical. like sometimes people can be such cynics that it’s sad and almost toxic.
A review should point out the positives as well as the negatives to something, and i’ve found that often youtube reviews enjoy being just overly hateful for the sake of being overly hateful as it’s what their audience expects from them
@@philbattiste9649 But the original Star Wars were groundbreaking. I assume you weren’t around in the 70s but equating the original trilogy to marvel is a bit of a reach.
I think the trouble with this show is that I never even spared a thought to what Obi was doing for all those years in between the prequels and the OT. I just assumed he went into hiding near Luke and watched over him for an uneventful couple of decades. Do we also need a story about what Yoda was doing on Dagobar for all that time? Because I assume he just lived eating moss soup and meditating. I honestly don't give a shit about Star Wars but if there is anything interesting to it, it's in going forward and expanding upon the lore, or going way backwards into legends stuff and showing that on the big screen. They are beating the same continuous era of Star Wars into submission and somehow making it all far more mundane in the process.
AT STs
AT STs
AT STs
It's Skywalkers, Palpatines, and Kenobis all the way down.
@@boomanchu2 chosen one! chosen one! chosen one! (ad nauseum)
I understand your point. However I could see a little more in it. Ben keeping tabs on Luke, and is known by the local homesteads, and pops into the city at times. He may help from time to time. A stranded person with a broken down speeder, a tuskan assault on a lone traveler, or to close to the Lars' home. Maybe helping Luke as a "chance" meaning he is traveling. The distant but known hermit thing. As for some thing big. If you have to do it, Ben would find a way to make the area around the Lars' home relatively stable between sand peaple, settlers, and criminals. He could be subtle about it. But that is beyond Disney's ability.
@@dirus3142 I mean Luke does know him as Ben Kenobi, he's been around long enough for Luke to recognize him and know who he is so he's like his neighbor. Makes sense that theyd run into each other from time to time
I CLAPPED WHEN RICH HAD THE BURGER COMMERCIAL THOUGHT CLOUD
Nothing about this show is better than the prequels.
Love your videos
I feel like the whole time Jay is thinking “Doesn’t anyone else see this? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!”
I feel like he's said that verbatim before.
That is certainly a rephrasing of what we all saw in the video as a famous quote from the movie _Zoolander_
It's funny, I'm a humungous star Wars fan like Mike and Rich, but I'm 100% with Jay on this show. Simultaneously expensive but cheap, stakes often feel low, weirdly glosses over story beats immediately, didn't need Vader by episode 2, (mostly) cheap and terrible action, etc. I reckon it's decent but it could have been better. That giant LED screen of theirs is a blessing and a curse, it severely limits their ability to produce decent sized sets and hence decent set pieces
Absolutely this 💯.
Mike and Rich seem to be reaching and mainly focusing on the fact it looks ridiculous and cheap like parts of the OT did. But it's way past the point where the show needs to look cheap. There's a difference between over the top action and completely goofy execution and terrible effects. I completely agree with Jay. The opening scene made me laugh hysterically. But I also admit I don't like Star Wars so I just stopped watching it, it's not for me and that's fine and people are free to enjoy it.
I don't think rich is a fan of anything besides the OT. I don't really care about rlms opinion on star wars AFTER the prequel content (episode 7 and on.. I shit you not I forgot it's name. Never thought that would happen with star wars)
"Humongous" Star Wars fans but they never heard of people being frozen in Carbonite? CMON!! It was in Empire Strikes back and even in the Mandalorian ffs!
@@glOckcOma but that amber stuff is not carbonite.
There is no stakes in Kenobi. We all know that nothing bad is going to happen to Obi-wan, Darth Vader, Luke, Leia, Owen, or Beru, since they are all in episode IV. There is more tension in an episode of Sesame Street.
I honestly couldn’t give two flying fucks
Did you think Luke was going to die in the first movie? I think you should stick to sesame street
@@Marqk- I think Luke would die if he went to Sesame Street
@@Marqk- ooh you got him!
@@Marqk-
When the first Star Wars movie came out, no one knew there would even be a sequel
Why were the kids wearing those stupid helmets for dance practice? Star Wars obsession with "remember this??"
The Plinkett Prequel videos feel like Anger, this video feels like they’ve finally made it to Acceptance
Someone will have to inform me when Bargaining took place. 😉
@@montecristo1845 When Plinkett recommended Disney hire JarJar Abrams for Star Wars lol
Wait so you're telling me that anger doesn't lead to hate, and hate doesn't lead to suffering? Or that suffering eventually leads to acceptance? Where does fecal urgency fit on this flowchart?
@@blank-vj1mc Be careful what you wish to the MAXIMUM EXTREME
@@homelessjesse9453 He's made his defense. He said Abrams might've been a good director. He never said he should co-write Star Wars with Chris Terrio. Which honestly, is fair.
Force Awakens: Denial
Ghostbusters 2016: Anger
Mandolorian: Bargaining
Picard: Depression
Obi Wan: Acceptance
Dude.....so accurate.
Whenever that big red "WRONG" sticker is used I clap.
Every now and then you guys release a video that I find so rewatchable. This, the recent Bruce Willis ones, Moneyplane...I guess it's really interesting to my brain to hear you guys theory craft about the people behind the ideas, and how certain actors get caught up in terrible stuff and why. Anyways, thanks guys for the entertainment over the years!
25 million dollars per episode for Mike and Rich to say they love the cheapness of the series lmao
Just goes to show they managed to make 25 million look as cheap as a Telenovela with a worse story and execution.
hollywood is a scam.
Must be going to the actors
At this point the writing in teresa was better lmao its an early 2000s mexican novela
"I really don't care anymore. It's all fine." - Mike Stoklasa, RedLetterMedia, on Star Wars 10 years after his Prequel Trilogy anal-sys video series
$$$$$$$$$$$
Remember, new ground has been broken in the meantime
Holy fuck, I was just about to randomly respond to this but it turns out it's Adam Rhodes. I guess I gotta go watch more streams now. Thanks for the vinesauce stuff!
Mike is a lot older now than he was then.
Why are the Jedi children always training at night? Isn't it past their bedtime?
You guys saw the part where he hid Leia in his coat like Bugs Bunny, right?
Most realistic episode of The Nerd Crew yet.
So true 😅
"Me personally, I really liked this episode!
Especially @7:22
VERY COOL!
Felt weird with the amount of double takes I had to do watching this. I knew Picard fried Rich and Mikes brain, but only now do I really realize how bad it effected them.
To be fair, Mike always seems to be the one who liked the things most people hate.
Don't worry Mike, they won't do the Darth Maul showdown on Tatooine because THEY DID IT ALREADY
Mike and Rich are either doing a brilliant job pretending to have been bought by Disney, or they've got love ones at gun point, or they have serious dementia.
I think the post traumatic stress of Picard season 2 is what caused this strange, aberrant behavior
Mike’s only way to stay sane is to lower expectations to a point where nothing matters, which means his review can’t be trusted, Picard broke him 🤣
Cringey.
They made a brand off of hating the prequels, so they have to try as hard as possible to pretend the new Star Wars stuff is passable. It’s hard to watch lol, they can’t allow themselves to admit that Disney Star Wars is worse
@@sdrebels13 I think they are trying to be contrarians, well Mike is anyway.
@@sdrebels13 from what I can see, they have seen the destruction of the franchises they grew up with.. "compared to star trek, this isn't that bad" is their whole vibe here.. with hating the prequels because prequels sucked and they always will even though I believe that sequels were worse than prequels.. they do have criticisms of the show.. but they are really cynical to the point where they don't care that much..
@@SK008 yeah I’m not saying the prequels are masterpieces by any stretch, but I think you have to at least respect Lucas’ willingness to experiment and try new things. Especially considering how bland and uncreative Hollywood is nowadays. At least the prequels have interesting visual motifs and thought-out design languages from a production POV
I like how the younglings have helmets on despite the point of them having helmets in RoTS was to blind them and maybe stop them hitting their head while blind and having a floating ball shoot at them. But here they're just doing very mild exercises. Why the giant helmets? Because they had them in that scene so now we have to have them here because that's what younglings wear. (It's probably to make them seem even more child-like and innocent too but they just didn't care that it didn't make sense) Exactly like how the Jedi robes in the prequels were the same as the clothing on Tattooine because that's what Ben wore and so that's what Jedi look like. Or, indeed the blinding helmet and floating blaster ball that was originally just something Obi Wan came up with ad hoc but was by pure coincidence exactly what Jedi training actually was like because that's what Luke did in the original film.
We've finally got to the point where they're doing it with prequel stuff.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Or more recently with the Mandalorian where he freezes people in carbonite despite it being a weird, experimental use of a piece of industrial equipment in RoTJ. Maybe word got around and others decided to copy it but it looked like it took a very bulky piece of equipment that took up a whole room in the film. Either way we know it's in there because the writers forgot the original context.
It's also about family, and that's what's so powerful about it.
It’s all so tiresome.
SO powerful.
I feel like the jedi robe thing has come full circle and they've cornered the costume department to make Obi-Wan look like Obi-Wan but not in Jedi robes but suitable for Tattooine. It's a trap.
Yeah, figured Obi-Wan originally dressed like that was because he was a hermit with no money, not that it was his uniform.
The Jedis were frozen because no one is ever really gone
Will you make a re:View on Andor or what? There's just something so fun about your discussions that makes me watch and rewatch them.