Did Britishers unduly favour Christians in pre-partition India? | What’s Your Ism? Ep 9 feat. Shalin
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- Caste and untouchability owe their origins to brahmanical Hinduism, but aren’t restricted to the Hindu community. Caste oppression also exists in Christian and Muslim communities. But are the people at the intersection of caste and minority religion given their due rights?
In this two-part episode on What's Your Ism, Sudipto Mondal speaks to Ambedkarite author Shalin Maria Lawrence and sociologist-professor Khalid Aniz Ansari about the complexities of anti-caste politics.
In part one, Lawrence talks about Christians under British rule, reservation, Brahminism, and laws to protect the rights of Dalit Christian.
She says, “India is about whether you are Brahmin or not. And Tamil Nadu is about whether you are Dalit or non-Dalit. Religion is not a problem here. We did not convert to Christianity because we wanted to get away from caste, but because we wanted to get away from a system that called us untouchable.”
Watch the full episode on our website.
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Syriac Christians don’t have any sc/st status but yeah is considered minority
Caste system was there in India for a long time but British codified it and made it official. It was meant to lit a war between different castes and sub-castes whose stakes were not only social but economical as well. British has done it before between princely states and non-princely states, English speaking elite and non-English speaking populace, Hindus and Muslims to further a sense of social, emotional and economic discontent and ensure a fragmented polity which would have favored the imperialists.
Caste is Roman Catholic and Dalit is a Hebrew word . The 4th letter in the Hebrew alphabet
Caste system is first mentioned in 'Rigveda, 'Purusha Sukta'', which was written about 1500 BC.
There are too many evidences that could be brought forth for discussion, which only brings into light how untouchables (Athi Shudras or Panchams) and Shudras were tourtured under the caste system for more than two millenniums.
There is no scriptural sanction or mention of for Jhaathi or Caste - Yes there are for Varna & Guna . Pls share quote the evidence from Sukthas Smrithis or Shruthi s
Those who Abused the concept of Varna & Guna for “class” supremacy then and those who Misuse it now for divisive politics and political gains in the name of so called social justice & activism are birds of same feathers.
Nobody in this world is untouchable... The power in hands makes the man who he is.... If you can crush and defeat others then you are the superior...
But it seems like "it is not possible to win these people"...
But we can win them....
Just dont fall pray to the society...
( There is nothing wrong or right in this world. Actually this world we see is just a phase of reaction. )
Society makes fake rules and regulations to control you.
Example is " God is a fake thing created by people to control other people"..
In the information age, everybody, especially on social media, should acquire knowledge, truth, and debate on truth. I have been visiting temples in many states, for the last 35 years, and never any priests asked about my religion. In TN, when I book a pooja ( only if I book a pooja) , the priests enquire about my GOTRA. I reply that I am not from TN, I don't have a GOTRA.
Another inhumane practice prevailing in the conversion scenario is the missionaries tell the Dalits " TELL LIES TO THE GOVERNMENT THAT YOU ARE A HINDU' to enjoy SC/ST/OBC reservation. The same missionaries, during Sunday sermons, declare ' DON'T TELL LIES. YOU WILL GO TO HELL'. Please understand the humiliation, insult and human rights violation. The converted person is sure that he will go to hell But he prefers to have reservation benefits.
In Sanatana Dharma, there is no concept of untouchables. ADVAITA SIDHANTHA says " TATVAMASI" " AHAM BRAHMASMI". This means God and Devotee are ONE. The concept of ONENESS. In Christianity or Islam, Jesus or Allah is the God and human beings are his followers. the concept of DUALITY. Every living and non-living beings are a part of ONE GOD. All human beings, animals, birds, plants, stones, sand, planets, sun, stars, solar systems, air, water, and earth, all are part of ONE god. Everything is one. How can there be an untouchable when every living and non-living being is part of the ONE god?
There is a story that says, Bhagavan Krishna rescued 16,000 women who were exploited as prostitutes and Bhagvan accepted them as his wives. This means, Bhagavan accorded them the status of " QUEENS" " but when all these 16,000 women are part of his body- cells -, how can he marry his own body part?
The caste system in its present form (by birth) is not older than 250-300 years that will disappear in the near future. A factor that delays the elimination of caste ism is the advantage of reservation. Every human beings want to get benefit of SC/ST/OBC and sevarl agitations are going on in India for getting these benefits.
You say, quote "The caste system in its present form (by birth) is not older than 250-300 years that will disappear in the near future".
Caste system is first mentioned in 'Rigveda, 'Purusha Sukta'', which was written about 1500 BC.
In light of both the archeological and literary evidence. Untouchablity existed in India for more than a millennia.
One of such evidences is that the untouchable women were not allowed to wear the upper garment or blouse, just for the reason because only the upper castes have the right to wear the upper garments for over a millennia. When the british saw this as very inhumane, they challenged this system in madras high court in the early 1900s. They upper-castes, initially agreed, that the Dalits can wear only short upper garments with their arms fully exposed, and when they we're challenged in the court again a couple of times, they slowly got into terms and allowed all the women in the society to cover their bodies fully well.
There are too many evidences that could be brought forth for discussion, which only brings into light how untouchables (Athi Shudras or Panchams) and Shudras were tourtured under the caste system for more than millennium.
Read Manusmriti which was the law given for Satya yuga which is before Rama's times. Also Vyasa Smriti. The incident between Karna and Arjuna in archery competition in Sambava Parva of Mahabharata indicates the existence of the caste system in Dwapara yuga. It is said Kaliyuga started some 5000 years ago only. So, the caste system existed even before that i.e., from Satya yuga onwards.
@@ABS_AD77 There is no scriptural sanction or mention of for Jhaathi or Caste - Yes there are for Varna & Guna .
Those who Abused the concept of Varna & Guna for “class” supremacy then and those who Misuse it now for divisive politics and political gains in the name of so called social justice & activism are birds of same feathers.
@@giridhark9889 There is no scriptural sanction or mention of for Jhaathi or Caste - Yes there are for Varna & Guna .
Those who Abused the concept of Varna & Guna for “class” supremacy then and those who Misuse it now for divisive politics and political gains in the name of so called social justice & activism are birds of same feathers.
@@giridhark9889no Smrithis are eternal - and no manu is eternal or one being or a person - what was Vyasas Varna aka Krishna-( black ) Dwapa-Yanan ( born in an island ) by the way ??!!! ( black ) in colour born to a fisher woman not from a wedlock - what happened to your jhaathi aka caste ( courtesy Portuguese and Colonial academia ) tagging for this same “ lower caste “ bastard ( applying your moral standards ) who is worshipped as Compiler of vedas and worshipped on Vyasa Poornima aka Guru Poornima 🤭
GROUPS OF ANDHE_NAMAZI 😅😅😅😅.....READ HISTORY NOT MADRASACHAP, WHATSAPP UNIVERSITY......CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM BOTH ARE GET PRIVILEGED.....IF YOU SIMPLY READ NCERT
Always blame the Brahmins and play victim card, hatred is so woke 😂
Always blame the British govt and play victim card, hatred is so woke