@@WhoCares3001 Queens at heart is late 60s and it wasn’t really good with the lingo (which is understandable because the lingo didn’t even exist then). They just referred to those gals as ‘homosexuals’, and when they treated them as women it was wicked sexist and sexual. lol
REST IN POWER!!!! DORIEN, PEPPER, KIM, WILLIE AND JOAN WE WILL ALL MEET AGAIN SOMEWHERE IN TIME. THANKYOU ALL FOR THE GIFT OF BEAUTY, WARMTH,STRENGHT, FAMILY, LOVE AND INSPIRATION THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO GIVE US LONG AFTER YOU LEFT US! WE LOVE YOU!🙏❤
Right , I was saying that and I've seen this a dozen times and never noticed that only because pro nouns is such a thing now. I loved Joan so much. When Kim Pendavis died she sent a beautiful huge wreath of flowers to his funeral which I found to be so commendable and respectful to ballroom , I knew everyone on stage and none of them are here today my they all Rest in Peace.
It’s crazy his Pepper Lebeija literally created the term 24/7. Joan was so amazed by it. So much of the slang we use today was created by black gay and trans people from the NYC area in the 70s and 80s. And that’s a fact! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This is the reason why the LGBTQ+ community always embraced Joan. When she would have queens on the show, she would showcase them as talent and not as a joke. And would ask meaningful questions to try and allow her audience to understand the culture like she did.
With the exception of Jeanie. Everyone on that stage passed REST WELL ! I hung in the village and piers as well. I’m the generation after this one !! Before social media we all had an amazing time. Good memories I love seeing the ones before me
I LOVE THIS POST. I too am from the generation BEFORE social media and a camera literally everywhere. In our homes, (not mine), in the streets, the average suburban street has a RING camera on virtually every door. Everyone on earth seems to be thinking that they somehow need to be their own CZcams, Instagram publicist instead of just being young. When we grew up teenage and youthful mistakes didn't live forever on the internet. I'm not anti tech in anyway, I just think that life was just a little more real WHEN it didn't happen in cyberspace. Your post took me back to wonderful, reckless, sexy days of the past and made me realize just how lucky we really were. Bless you Comic Man. You earned yourself a few extra heaven points for that.
However much a society can move forward (like you point out, just look how DRY the audience is, compared to the reaction they would get today) a society can also moved backwards - let’s never take anything for granted and push back against religious conservatism.
Love Dorian!! Had a whole body in her closet! !!!!Yessss!! I’m glad I grew up in NYC and had the pleasure to experience this! I’m a Straight black (Cis) woman. Back then I was called a (F- Hag!) And had so many gay friends! And lost so many also to the epidemic 😢
And this is why I loved and will always love Joan, she will forever be a legend. She showed loved to the community way before it was accepted publicly, her humor was like no other. My biggest regret was being to young to not see one of her comedy shows live!
I saw "Paris Is Burning" in the theatre. I was mesmerized by this entire world and I never knew existed. Now you can go on YT and see videos of Vogue Balls from all around the world; Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, London, etc. It's an entire world unto itself. I, luckily, own "Paris Is Burning" on dvd.
I think if you were alive at the time you watch this differently. Even if you were far from NY and not LGBTQ+ you remember how the world was and how this was seen at the time. And how very, very special Joan was for this. So far ahead.
I remember watching this while I was still (fairly) young. I was obsessed! I stayed up late that night to watch the re-run bc I was afraid to record it.
I rented the bluray from Netflix, but disc 2 (which has this show) was not included. Thanks for making my viewing complete. Great doc, and I also like revisiting 90s TV through footage like this
Joan was great looking in the early 1990s. On her second facelift and nose job, with the chic, more relaxed hairstyle and (usually) in a Chanel suit. Daytime realness. She was almost 60 and just looked great! As funny and irreverent as she was, people forget what an intelligent, attentive and young thinking interviewer she was. It's one of the reasons that her popularity was a bit C List. She was just too ballsy and outrageous - yet so proper and classy in her way too. She did not appeal to everyone. There was nobody like her. (Certainly NOT Kathy Griffin)
It's sad that none of the people in the film went far in life after this.....you would have thought it would have catapulted their lives but it was still not the thing.
@@24POWERS it's sad because you would think that a lot of them were so talented and someone comes along and makes a movie about your life you'd profit and make life for yourself after, all these people were only known still by the underground community they came from and Willie really was the only person people knew abroad and the guys that danced in Madonna's vouge video was only known as Madonna's dancers. And fuck Jenny Livingston that bitch never looked back or tried to help any of them at least publicly
As much as I love Paris is burning there’s one thing I noticed quite clearly from this which I want to know what other peoples thoughts are or if they picked up on this: On the early days of filming they said Jenny told the cast it for a student film, I wonder when it eventually came time that she told them this would be a feature length miramax film? How does a student film transform to ‘oh we’re shooting today for the front poster’ or ‘oh guys were doing a Joan rivers special’ I’m sure she told them eventually and because of these opportunities the cast I assume were happy. However notice in the interview when Jenny talks about balls or houses the cast don’t really look at her as this is information they already know. However when Joan asks Jenny ‘how long till you knew you had a hit?’ And Jenny says she had to beg multiple executives for funding and the process she endured I noticed all the cast looking at her very clearly as if maybe they didn’t know that part of the information as this was from like a day before the day was actually released? Anyone else pick up on this? None the less legendary and this movie is cemented forever🎉
This has my eyes in tears. What beautiful humans, sigh x Pity they are all gone :-( They are examples of what a community is unlike the LGBT and pass me every other letter of the youth today!
It's a pity that Ninja didn't mention the Deep in Vogue video they were in. He mentioned there hasn't been a video that showed Vogueing properly but they showed it in. Deep in Vogue.
Well of course. ‘Pose’ was based on the ball scene of the 80s/90s which is why. The characters on POSE are loosely based on these legends. Candy’s character death is loosely based on Venus Xtravaganza. A dead body was found in Dorian’s closet after death and when Elektra’s client died they hid his body in her closet..
Jenny Livingston describing the categories is so cringey. Why is it so hard to let other cultures and sub cultures tell their own damn stories. If they are brilliant enough to create it, they are more than capable to talk about and profit from their creations.
Joan asked her to explain the categories. Certainly the film tells their stories but if it wasn’t for Jenny there would be no documentary - at least one made in 1991 when their stories were happening.
This is such an endless argument. These stories would never have been told this way and in this time if Jenny hadn't used her privilege and connections to amplify their voices. It's not fair, but it is what it is. If we waited for these specific people to have the tools, connections, drive, and opportunity: we might not have gotten their stories. I'm sure the business part of it was very complicated. I'm sure there were some broken hearts and hurt feelings when this film started making money.
Joan Rivers not only knew, but attended drag shows. She was talking about gay people on television in the 60s. And began working on AIDS before all the major celebrities did it. The real reason why the gay community respected Joan so much was because she showcased drag talent as talent, and not as a joke like other talk show hosts did during this time. Literally watch any other talk show segment about drag in the early 90s and you'll see how amazing this was.
I’m sorry but I do NOT understand how Joan saw those two big ol mounds staring her in the face; then calls Dorian a “he”. AND had the nerve to say her breasts were “hairy”😩😩 god bless her wretched soul 😹😹😹
Joan asking for their pro nouns back in the day really showed how much of a open minded person she was when drag queens were disgraced on television
You should check documentary called Queens at Heart from the 50s. They were respecting pronouns back then. The 90s isn't that long ago.
@@WhoCares3001 Queens at heart is late 60s and it wasn’t really good with the lingo (which is understandable because the lingo didn’t even exist then). They just referred to those gals as ‘homosexuals’, and when they treated them as women it was wicked sexist and sexual. lol
REST IN POWER!!!! DORIEN, PEPPER, KIM, WILLIE AND JOAN WE WILL ALL MEET AGAIN SOMEWHERE IN TIME. THANKYOU ALL FOR THE GIFT OF BEAUTY, WARMTH,STRENGHT, FAMILY, LOVE AND INSPIRATION THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO GIVE US LONG AFTER YOU LEFT US! WE LOVE YOU!🙏❤
@@jonathancrippen1615 we won't sadly
Right , I was saying that and I've seen this a dozen times and never noticed that only because pro nouns is such a thing now. I loved Joan so much. When Kim Pendavis died she sent a beautiful huge wreath of flowers to his funeral which I found to be so commendable and respectful to ballroom , I knew everyone on stage and none of them are here today my they all Rest in Peace.
The way Joan approached this with empathy rather than treating them like a spectacle is a behavior before it's time.
An ally forever.
It’s crazy his Pepper Lebeija literally created the term 24/7. Joan was so amazed by it. So much of the slang we use today was created by black gay and trans people from the NYC area in the 70s and 80s. And that’s a fact! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
She did not create the term 24/7.
Smiley Citrus Okay.
That part !!!!!!!
Smiley Citrus 24/7 comes from drag culture.
It was first used by a black basketball player in 1983, and likely grew from the black drag culture,
"Life is tough and balls are worse" the tiny grin on Joan's face shows she had herculean self control in that moment 🤣
RIP, Dorian, Pepper, Willie and, of course, Joan!
Yeah everyone on that stage has passed on haven’t they?
@@Themeparkloversexcept the woman who created Paris is Burning. some say she is still living in new york
Kim isn't with us anymore as well he just had a bday the day b4 mine 6/25 ...I believe Freddie is still alive
This is the reason why the LGBTQ+ community always embraced Joan. When she would have queens on the show, she would showcase them as talent and not as a joke. And would ask meaningful questions to try and allow her audience to understand the culture like she did.
Joan Rivers was just the best. The acceptance and interest in the subject is real.
So glad this beautiful history was captured.
Me 2
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
Pepper Labeija is so mesmerizing I could listen to her talk about her life for hours
24:20 burning
She had that talk show voice🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Love Joan how she battled.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Kim was 1 of my closest and dearest friends , I miss him dearly and Pepper was my mother when I was a LaBeija RIP🙏🙏
Joan Rivers was always on our team. Forever Loved ❤️❤️❤️
She was so connected to everyone 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
With the exception of Jeanie. Everyone on that stage passed REST WELL ! I hung in the village and piers as well. I’m the generation after this one !! Before social media we all had an amazing time. Good memories I love seeing the ones before me
I LOVE THIS POST. I too am from the generation BEFORE social media and a camera literally everywhere. In our homes, (not mine), in the streets, the average suburban street has a RING camera on virtually every door. Everyone on earth seems to be thinking that they somehow need to be their own CZcams, Instagram publicist instead of just being young. When we grew up teenage and youthful mistakes didn't live forever on the internet. I'm not anti tech in anyway, I just think that life was just a little more real WHEN it didn't happen in cyberspace. Your post took me back to wonderful, reckless, sexy days of the past and made me realize just how lucky we really were. Bless you Comic Man. You earned yourself a few extra heaven points for that.
Freddie Pendavis is still alive
Kishi Chad yea when I made this comment. It was at the beginning of the show
I think Freddie is still alive
These absolute QUEENS did not deserve that dry ass crowd! I would have been doing the most hahaha! I love these legends yaaaaas ❤️
23:45
You know Pepper's children miss him daily🌹🌷🌹🌷
"Peppa "
Kudos to Joan Rivers! Little things like this helped in so many ways.
Joan was so fantastic.
cant believe all these legends have left us now.
rip, you all managed to make an impact 🙏🏻
Joan Rivers was a treasure to humanity! I wish she was still here with us today
The audience was so dry 🙄 I woulda been LIVING 🗣
However much a society can move forward (like you point out, just look how DRY the audience is, compared to the reaction they would get today) a society can also moved backwards - let’s never take anything for granted and push back against religious conservatism.
Love Dorian!! Had a whole body in her closet! !!!!Yessss!! I’m glad I grew up in NYC and had the pleasure to experience this! I’m a Straight black (Cis) woman. Back then I was called a (F- Hag!) And had so many gay friends! And lost so many also to the epidemic 😢
When Joan walks out you realise how small she is against everyone!! Xx
I am looooving La Beija. Very sad he died in the 00s. He is really beautiful and soooo very intelligent in this interview x Bless you Joan
❤️ Drag will NEVER Die!! Thank You 🦋
And this is why I loved and will always love Joan, she will forever be a legend. She showed loved to the community way before it was accepted publicly, her humor was like no other. My biggest regret was being to young to not see one of her comedy shows live!
Thank you for preserving this ♥️ wonderful to watch
I saw "Paris Is Burning" in the theatre. I was mesmerized by this entire world and I never knew existed. Now you can go on YT and see videos of Vogue Balls from all around the world; Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, London, etc. It's an entire world unto itself. I, luckily, own "Paris Is Burning" on dvd.
I think if you were alive at the time you watch this differently. Even if you were far from NY and not LGBTQ+ you remember how the world was and how this was seen at the time. And how very, very special Joan was for this. So far ahead.
Look at Dorian ...just sitting up there on tv like she ain’t got a dead body in her closet 💁🏻♀️
Screaming
Badass
Literally commented in every video she’s in. 🥱
Wait what 😳
@@Rogerthatx10 oh oh, looks like we've found the negative Nancy.
I love them all.... but there's something so special about Dorian (despite her dark past). I think it's her wisdom and legacy in the ball culture.
Joan Rivers threw shade at Regis and Kathy 😂😂😂 RIP Joan and of course to all the House Legends!
'Beat your face' was used even back then and beyond.
People using it today time-travelled to that era and bought it back to this time. 😆
The term came from that time. Many terms we use now were coined from them. We are just now giving them the acknowledgement
No shade
"THE GODFATHER OF VOGUE R.I.P WILLIE NINJA
August 8, 1991. Credited cast: Dorian Corey, Pepper LaBeija, Esther Leake, Jennie Livingston, Willi Ninja, Freddie Pendavis, Kim Pendavis, Adrian Xtravaganza
Wow, loving this 💜💜💜 Aw Joan was so respectful, miss her. RIP.
26:10 I tried to be straight for my mother's benefit
Amazing that this was 30 years ago
A lot of queens who are no longer with us. I adored every minute, except for when Livingston tried to talk over everyone. Thank you for sharing this!
All amazing performers and Dorian performed and made gowns. Willie did choreography and taught classes.
So sad that everyone on this stage except the director is deceased.
Gone but Neva forgotten.
Friddie is still alive Lol check this instagram.com/parisisburningz/
Freddie Pendavis is alive and well.
No i just saw jinnie at walmart in Manhattan
@@joshualovell2003 did you talk to her?😎
Willie and his team worked that stage🌷🌹🌷🌹
yes!! Crazy rude the way Joan laughed after first dancer said she was a model tho 32:15
daaaamn Willy was FIIIIIINE!!😍🥺🥺
"I didn't like something she said earlier' love it
The Voguers that came out were fab❤❤❤❤
Thank you for posting this. Was so wonderful to watch.
Willie Ninja is so cute... !
He was GORGEOUS 🥰 ♈
I remember watching this while I was still (fairly) young. I was obsessed!
I stayed up late that night to watch the re-run bc I was afraid to record it.
They are all so adorable ☺️
Was the expression 24/7 really not known then?? Joan is just hearing it for the first time.
And the balls are main stream now .. these ppl are now legendary x
27:09Joan is Jewish ?
@@londonbowcat1yes
I rented the bluray from Netflix, but disc 2 (which has this show) was not included. Thanks for making my viewing complete. Great doc, and I also like revisiting 90s TV through footage like this
26:00 who remembers Joan's joke on transvestite
Didn't know she was Jewish
You have to watch the movie then watch this. WOW!
OP. PU. LENCE.
You own everything!
“Everything is yours!”
Joan was great looking in the early 1990s. On her second facelift and nose job, with the chic, more relaxed hairstyle and (usually) in a Chanel suit. Daytime realness. She was almost 60 and just looked great!
As funny and irreverent as she was, people forget what an intelligent, attentive and young thinking interviewer she was. It's one of the reasons that her popularity was a bit C List. She was just too ballsy and outrageous - yet so proper and classy in her way too. She did not appeal to everyone. There was nobody like her. (Certainly NOT Kathy Griffin)
I love you Pepper
Joan was so a head of her time. She asked them what their pronouns were. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Not Joan not knowing what 24/7 meant
Sweet Kim was so thin. May he rest. ❤️
It's sad that none of the people in the film went far in life after this.....you would have thought it would have catapulted their lives but it was still not the thing.
Quite a few of them didn’t live long afterwards. Most passed in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Really sad.
How is that sad. They were old . Anyway the director was hot here and she’s an old ass Karen now. Oh well.
Elan Pritchett they weren’t old! The oldest one there by a long way was Dorian, she was 52 at the time. She died aged 56 in 1993. Hardly old.
Elan Pritchett how tf is anybody dying not sad it doesn’t matter what age they are ‼️
@@24POWERS it's sad because you would think that a lot of them were so talented and someone comes along and makes a movie about your life you'd profit and make life for yourself after, all these people were only known still by the underground community they came from and Willie really was the only person people knew abroad and the guys that danced in Madonna's vouge video was only known as Madonna's dancers. And fuck Jenny Livingston that bitch never looked back or tried to help any of them at least publicly
Wonder what Labieja’s children are like...
Peppers*
Why is this not on the list of shows on the JRS on smart tv
23:39 love how Willie got his nuisance from his mother. The eye roll 😂
🖤🖤🖤
As much as I love Paris is burning there’s one thing I noticed quite clearly from this which I want to know what other peoples thoughts are or if they picked up on this:
On the early days of filming they said Jenny told the cast it for a student film, I wonder when it eventually came time that she told them this would be a feature length miramax film? How does a student film transform to ‘oh we’re shooting today for the front poster’ or ‘oh guys were doing a Joan rivers special’
I’m sure she told them eventually and because of these opportunities the cast I assume were happy. However notice in the interview when Jenny talks about balls or houses the cast don’t really look at her as this is information they already know. However when Joan asks Jenny ‘how long till you knew you had a hit?’ And Jenny says she had to beg multiple executives for funding and the process she endured I noticed all the cast looking at her very clearly as if maybe they didn’t know that part of the information as this was from like a day before the day was actually released? Anyone else pick up on this? None the less legendary and this movie is cemented forever🎉
Asking pronouns in the g*ddamn year of 1990. That's THE Joan Rivers for y'all
Banji being a straight mugger is nasty work 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Willie ninja is one of the most beautiful men ive ever seen
Why was Kim Pendavis not included in the interivew? Thanks for uploading this!
Only 1 person on this stage is still alive today :(
Everyone on that stage is no longer living
I think Jennie Livingston is
Freddie Pendavis and Jennie Livingston are.
Labeija's children!
This has my eyes in tears. What beautiful humans, sigh x Pity they are all gone :-( They are examples of what a community is unlike the LGBT and pass me every other letter of the youth today!
It's a pity that Ninja didn't mention the Deep in Vogue video they were in. He mentioned there hasn't been a video that showed Vogueing properly but they showed it in. Deep in Vogue.
Anyone know the name of the third dancer during the voguing segment??
Why is she constantly talking over Labieja?? Getting on my nerves!!
That's just how Joan was. She gets very excited and always has a ton of questions, and sometimes it comes out a bit aggressive
TV interviews/segments are always on a countdown. It will seem like Joan is rushing and interrupting but she has to keep the pace moving for timing.
All passed away
joan was always mother 🏳️🌈 god I miss her 😢
No way!!! They got exposure
Joan s greatest show-00bc-2099ad
whos the guy with the long curly hair? not Willie
Joan needs a SAINTHOOD! She did so much for the gay community when it was not cool to be gay.
whats the song they vogue to that goes body-ody
What happened to Kim Pendavis? She was introduced at the beginning but that was it and it wasn't mentioned after that
Get succes
Jennie was taught DOWN !!!
I believe that comment Pepper said was bout freddie pendavis cause he said some funky shit bout Pepper's house in the film.
When did he say something about Freddie?
Were Pepper and Coolio the same person? 🤔😜
Pose pretty much stole everything these legends said and used it for mostly every Pose episode....
Well of course. ‘Pose’ was based on the ball scene of the 80s/90s which is why. The characters on POSE are loosely based on these legends. Candy’s character death is loosely based on Venus Xtravaganza. A dead body was found in Dorian’s closet after death and when Elektra’s client died they hid his body in her closet..
I hate how Joan Rives interrupts them before they finish what they're trying to say! But glad she had them in the show
What's the name of the song played during the vogueing part?
Drink On Me by Teule.
r they all alive, still?
Only Jenny. The white cis woman who directed
Didn't Dorion have a dead body in his closet for like 20 years???
Jenny Livingston describing the categories is so cringey. Why is it so hard to let other cultures and sub cultures tell their own damn stories. If they are brilliant enough to create it, they are more than capable to talk about and profit from their creations.
100 percent, I knew all of these people.. brings me back to my youth...I remember seeing willie back in the summer of 1986 in central park...
Joan asked her to explain the categories. Certainly the film tells their stories but if it wasn’t for Jenny there would be no documentary - at least one made in 1991 when their stories were happening.
This is such an endless argument.
These stories would never have been told this way and in this time if Jenny hadn't used her privilege and connections to amplify their voices.
It's not fair, but it is what it is.
If we waited for these specific people to have the tools, connections, drive, and opportunity: we might not have gotten their stories.
I'm sure the business part of it was very complicated. I'm sure there were some broken hearts and hurt feelings when this film started making money.
It's weird watching this knowing that Dorian has a mummified corpse hidden in his closet.
I wonder if Jenny was 🌈..
God Joan stuttering drives me crazy! Sounds like she’s trying to hard!
Joan is clueless about this and imho she is talking too much
Girl, trust me she knew, she just wants the audience to understand and viewers.
Marlon she use to be a judge at many of these balls
@@amazingabby25 see, she knows it all
Joan Rivers not only knew, but attended drag shows. She was talking about gay people on television in the 60s. And began working on AIDS before all the major celebrities did it. The real reason why the gay community respected Joan so much was because she showcased drag talent as talent, and not as a joke like other talk show hosts did during this time. Literally watch any other talk show segment about drag in the early 90s and you'll see how amazing this was.
Show some respect on Joan’s name: she gave these people a platform.
Pendover lmao
I’m sorry but I do NOT understand how Joan saw those two big ol mounds staring her in the face; then calls Dorian a “he”. AND had the nerve to say her breasts were “hairy”😩😩 god bless her wretched soul 😹😹😹
Yes. She was wretched 😏 She did the best she knew then.
Things were different and this was some progress.