I know gurl, and to think that until today, trans women are the number one subject of horrible atrocities! Let me correct that not only trans women, but trans women of colour. Heart breaking. 💔
Her boyfriend, Rico, was murdered 8 months before she was, by a drug dealer who shot him in the chest. He sensed something wrong and told her to wait in the car waiting for him. He confronted the dealer (a woman), that he thought the coke was baking soda.... but didn’t expect her to pull out a gun. She ran off, while Venus cried on his chest. The dealer was never found. May Rico Rest In Peace. Lil Papi from Pose looks uncannily like Rico.
It's a shame Venus's dedication to her grandmother didn't make it into the movie. It's relatable and admirable, and sadly missing from the story until now.
Venus's parts are sad for so many reasons. She mentions her transition and how it affects her everyday life and her hopes to pursue a modelling carreer. Moreover she implies her family is far more accepting than the audience may think. The latter is especially heartbreaking, considering her nephew said the same thing years later; her family called her Venus and her trans identity was the open secret nobody would talk about. Them letting her move away from their small homophobic community was most likely their way of indirect support in those hard times.
Watching Venus talk about her goals and her dreams is so heart wrenching because we know how it ended for her. These people deserved so much more than what society allowed them to have.
I would love for someone to compile the stories and living witnesses to the era of of Crystal Labeija and Dorian Corey. Perhaps in a style similar to Tales from the Tour Bus
Mighty Minority I want to know more about Crystal. She is the founder of this world and yet is mentioned only in passing here. We only know more of her because of the queen and even that is not very much.
@@anthonyL1995 Crystal was still very much alive during the filming of Paris is Burning while living in the Bronx, contrary to the wrong year of death (1982). By the mid-1980's - she'd grown tired of the scene that she along with the help of Lottie Labeija created.
@@lydiadellculookin9307 Thank you. Crystal DESERVES HER OWN DOCUMENTARY. DORIAN ALSO. I am done with these tired afterthoughts getting all the attention. Sabrina was cool, but Harlow was not ALL THAT. Throw in Donna Harris too. Nelson chronicling Rupaul, Lady Bunny, and all those girls are great. But Crystal needs to be really featured, frfr.
Venus talked about her future with such conviction and hope. It’s devastating to know she never reached her goal. Hopefully, her spirit knows how she is still RELEVANT and her words are still carried to this day.
Venus was never given the opportunity to fully succeed at any goal really. There was so much stacked up against her. Her identity, her gender as a trans woman were all obstacles not in her favor at the time. Still we are all here for her and hopefully she is smiling down at us as much as we are smiling up at her.
Many people don't know that Jenny Livingston had been recording footage for Paris is Burning for many years. I believe she started recording footage from the Balls in 1984 or maybe 85. The very first Ball I went to was spring of 85 which was a House of Omni Ball and Jenny was not recording at that ball. Maybe she past on that one but the Second Ball I went to in the fall of 85 Jenny was there recording with her crew. That was a Paris House of Dupree Ball and a lot of that Ball footage was in Paris is Burning Documentary. Jenny Livingston probably had close to 7 years of footage and remember a ball was thrown a few times each year back in those days. Not familiar how often balls are thrown today. Possibly more often because balls have become so popular worldwide. It must have been a difficult job deciding what footage was going to make it and what footage wasn't but I believe Jenny had enough footage to make a serious. I say that because most movies are filmed in a few months and Jenny had been recording footage from the ball scene for 7 years approximately. That is a lot of footage. Dvd's can be sold with just extra footage on them now or put on an app. Nobody really buys Dvd's anymore, probably gave away my age there. LMFAO 🤣. I say all this because I see many people have enjoyed these extra footage videos here on CZcams. I know I have. It was fun seeing myself at 15 years old playing Lawyer with my Extravaganza family. I know the house spells it with an X now but that just goes to show you how long I've been a member. From the days when it was spelled with an E. LMFAO 🤣. I miss my old friends who have passed on and it was beautiful to be able to see them again on this footage. When we were all young and beautiful and just having a great time. New York City in the 1980's was incredible. The city might not have looked so good back then like it does today because of all this gentrification that has happened but it sure was an exciting time. Those years were some of the best years for night life and clubbing. There were many to pick from. Today there is barely a club scene in NYC. That I know of.
Tell it!! NYC back then was such a vibe. It came alive at night in a way that can’t be imagined even if we described it. The west side highway was far from what it looks like now. I hung out in the piers a few times, and lord how much fun we had! We didn’t need much and somehow the night was never long enough.
@@MaryamofShomal curious what makes you say Livingston is trash. it's hard for me to think that such a wonderful documentary would come from someone who is that bad.
@@divinefeminineoracle5825 well said !!! I dont think she wanted to be malicious but try to Milk it as much as possible ( and she did and she got the karma too this was her first and last Docu ) .
The poise miss Dorian showed after the gun shoots is DELIGHTFUL TO WATCH, she very aware of the danger outside minding her own business fixing her wig and giving herself its final touches, she could not be bothered and I liveeeeee!!! SHE IS A LEGEND!!
LOL LOL that's exactly what I was thinking did you see the part when they started shooting and she got nervous and grabbed the telephone and started smoking cigarettes back to back
I wonder if this gave Harvey inspiration for the first scene of torch song trilogy... the setting is sort of the same of drag queen talking direct to camera/audience. I think Dorian’s story could a great play
I've seen Paris is burning 100's of times and now this and I still can't get over how Dorian Corey spends the whole show tapping on makeup...and so dramiticly 🤣
I love Pepper Labeija’s entire personality. She was so wise and intelligent. Dorian was a true diva *in my Beyoncé voice* I live for her realness and witty humor. Hearing Venus’ story is gut-wrenching. She was so sweet and innocent it’s so tragic how she left this world. 💔
@@JoseRivera-je5ot To say Venus caused her own death is really stupid. When you were in your 20s I'm sure you did many things that you didn't think through carefully. Venus was only 23 years old. A time in someone's life where we think nothing can happen to us. Unfortunately Venus wasn't as lucky as many of us were in our 20s. She was very much loved by her friends and I take offense when someone who didn't know her at all comes along because they saw her in a documentary and assume they know her so well. Venus for as small as she was she had a heart the size of Manhattan Island. She is dearly missed. I'm sure you wouldn't want someone talking about your family member so carelessly. Don't do it to mine.
"There's so much wealth for so few"--Dorian, speaking after the gunshots and running feet were heard. Some things haven't changed in over 30 years--they've gotten worse. Love listening to Dorian. She was the ballroom culture's philosopher, elder stateswoman, mother figure to the youngsters and drag legend.
I love the creators of Pose for reaching back to these Individuals to have been important roles! Like Sol Williams, the military guy, was the Ball judge on Pose that got into the fight with Candy
@@beloved8716 you haven’t watched POSE?! Omg! No it’s a series by Ryan Murphy about the ballroom scene in the 80s! It’s on Netflix now. 2 seasons! You should check it out!
Rico is alive. Don't always believe what you see on television. Most of it is pretend. Even in biopic they make up a lot of stuff. I have seen Rican in person. He is married and a father from the last time I saw him. If you ever want to find out something ask someone who was there. If you know anyone who was. I was there and trust Rican is very much alive.
Jenny couldn't show everything. She literally has about 8 years of footage. I remember the first ball I went to in 1985 she was there recording. Then the documentary came out in 1990. That is major footage.
Wow my history growing up with these amazing people pepper , Dorian, avis my little sister Venus ,Angie my mother, Paris, Octavia, Willie and a few other ballroom legendary people may they all be resting in peace great memories and great times shared
@@richardsanchez9190 There are quite a few who are still living from this documentary: 1. Carmen Xtrava - The woman who's with Octavia (RIP) in Times Sq. talking about her hair 2. Brooke Xtrava - From the original doc release where she's talking about her surgery on the beach with Carmen X. 3. Freddie Pend'Avis - The young cute butch queen in the short set speaking on the pier 4. Sol Williams Pend'Avis - The guy who served in the military who's now Dr. Sol WIlliams 5. The young boy who was with Octavia at the photo shoot playing with the photographer's parrot 6. Xavier Labeija - The butch queen from the original Paris is Burning documentary who teaches "Pig Latin" and kiki's on the train with Kim Pendavis(RIP) & Patrick Pendavis - Ebony (RIP) 7. Candy Labeija - Ms Cheesecake Candy Labieja from the original doc and here's she's Introducing the House of Labeija members who says "I'm Candy, the legendary bodyguard" . 8. Jose Xtrava - the young butch queen who was voguing at the end at The House of Pendavis Ball in DC in the white pants - who went on to become a famous dancer/choreographer and was one of Madonna's feature dancer on her tours and in the "Vogue" video she released back in 1990. There are soooo many others who were featured in the background and judges panel who are still with us today as well.
Hearing Venus say "I just hope nothing in the long run stops us, nothing gets in the way" when discussing the dreams she shares with her boyfriend Rico is just so heart breaking. Knowing that both lives ended so young and so violently makes this footage all the more cherished. She is every TRANS woman out there and that is why there is still so much work to be done!
@@Daintytwinkletoes its on fb Rico was shot by a drug dealer and died in venus's Arms someone has this info on fb that's where I heard it its a page called Venus Xtravaganza its a page dedicated to her. And yes he is its such a cute picture!! 😍
@Lucio Martínez they think it was one of Dorian’s lover, he was a drug dealer I think. You can read about it here www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-famous-drag-queen-a-mummy-in-the-closet-and-a-baffling-mystery
It’s crazy because they were all so beautiful and intelligent. To know that a lot of them didn’t go to school or anything like that but they have so much talent and most of them spoke so articulately. I hate that no one speaks about these times nowadays but I love the fact that I can come on CZcams and see these videos. It’s like going in a time machine to the 80s
I remember and met alot of these people came on the scene in 1985...can't even put into words how astounding those times were ..but I hate to say this alot of them were not as nice as they portrayed themselves in this movie and I'm not talking about Dorian
One thing I pick up from Dorian Corey is that if she'd been accepted into mainstream opportunities....she could have been a huge designer. Her natural creativity was nothing short of impressive!
I could listen to Dorian talk for days. Fascinating and insightful. I think it’s made even better knowing that she is chatting, powdering her face, casually not bothered that there is a dead body in her closet. Lol
I feel like a entire doc could have been made about Dorian alone. I find her quite fascinating and I love the way she talks, the expressions, the weird theatrical way about her. Even when she’s just sitting beating her face.
@@murtithinker7660 The older white lady who killed someone and put them in a trunk in her closet. She also is the one that is doing her make-up in the mirror.
i really loved how in-depth they talked about houses and gave a deeper personal view of each of them- they talk about AIDS and the reality of the 80’s and being LGBTQ
I remember those people to what you need good to see they faces let's not forget Apollonia Ninja Chiron Christian Jerome pain David Kevin Omni an extravaganza and so many more Josie extravaganza Coco extravaganza Jose xtravaganza all of those people were there it was amazing to see this footage it was good I give it a 10
Sol Pendavis is so brave for holding an interview in his military uniform. This was during the time where there was no don't ask don't tell so if the military had any inkling of you being gay you'd get kicked out. Thank you for your service!
There's more deleted scenes of Venus speaking about her relationship with God that's not included here. There's more footage out there. I want to see it all
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Does anyone think that the even more bonus footage will ever be shown? After researching it I found this has over 70 hours of footage and Jenny basically has full footage of paris Dupree’s ball from 85/86? They also have commentaries before she started visually shooting them, I just want it all to be released in a true mark of respect this film became bigger than all the characters themselves I think there’s maybe around 5 characters from this film still around so sad
26:30 Dorian’s facial expression was so funny. The way she said “you didn’t hear the people running?” It’s like she was saying “Duh, asshole! Of course it was gun shots! You’re asking me stupid questions for what?” 😂
Towards the end, that scene with the elevator. Angie in the distance while a mom tries to shield her son from seeing anything “out of the ordinary” for them. Idk why that always moves me in a harsh way.
I love Pepper but Dorian is the true historian❤ Dorian didn't even flinch when those shots rang out, she was like, "alright" and carried on! She was glamorous, motherly, confident and comfortable in her skin. There is something sweet, soft and innocent about Venus; it's so tragic what happened to her.
Wow, now I see why the subjects of this documentary didn't appreciate the way it was cut. The story that was told in the documentary was produced. I'm so happy this video saw the light. So much more substance to these people than what was portrayed. Bless them all x0
Jenny Livingston has about 8 years of ball footage and footage of us hanging out and many others. Many times she wouldn't ask if she can record. She would just walk up on us with her camera crew and many times we (the Extravaganzas) would not want to be recorded. Example, we had to tell her no before we started playing lawyer and we walked away. When we came back we let her record us playing lawyer and joking around. I'm glad we did that because we would have had some personal business on film and that wouldn't have been cool.
This unseen footage is like the Rosetta Stone of American gay/drag culture. It adds so much context to better understand where the modern drag culture came from. This is incredible!
I know when I was first told about this footage and I saw it. It was emotional to see myself with friends who are no longer here. Funny thing is I remember that night so clearly of us playing lawyer. We had so much fun together mind you there was no cell phones. No social media. No computers or wifi. It was all about communication and being creative with our time and we made the best of it and it was the best. ❤ I miss my friends. ❤
@@AN-bo5ej and those late assed sissies were allowed to rob Shangela of her title when Rupaul or the production staff changed the rules. I enjoy Drag Race and Rupaul is kinda peerless in a way, in a way, but he was not down with the brown skinned girls.
Oh the fun that was had at those piers! NYC in the late 80s and 90s was the best. It was rough but it made so many of us the wiser, the better! It truly was survival of the fittest. But you always found a way to have fun! No matter how dangerous it was. I’m a straight female and i would sneak off to the piers at the age of 14 with my gay best friend. I was the only one who knew he was gay (back then) and the piers provided him with a sense of freedom to be Himself. Oh the things we saw, 🤭, the fun we had! Long live these legendary children that paved the way! I wish I would have met them back then, but i was just a kids. You will live on forever. NYC is not the same now, but it was because of these legends that the kids no longer have to hide and are able to be free and be themselves. It’s sad they didn’t get to live and see how much they changed the world!
I always thought the Balls were way more cutthroat but it's nice to Hear Pepper giving props to Dorian. The Documentary doesn't really show how collaborative folks were with each other
"Why would they hurt you?" "Beacuse people are evil in general from jealousy." Venus ATE that. The dolls never feel totally safe around anyone- even near our own people, family, or the ballscene. They're quick to try & catch you off your guard, so we stay to ourselves for protection. Rest In Power to all the Dolls who left us early. And love to the Dolls that are still here.
@ms facts jackson Obviously we know your story, & it ain't good; cause SOMEBODY wants attention, & can't use proper punctuation. If you felt so damn safe with your family & "STR8" childhood friends, you wouldn't be bothered to open your raggedy mouth. Chile, go sit down somewhere. 🕊
I SOOOO wanted to learn more about the underrated costars of this documentary like Kim Pendavis (at the sewing machine) who died not long after this, Tenille Toni Dupree, and Apollonia Ninja (the tall beautiful statuesque model looking woman).
To the people complaining that there were too many clips cut out of Paris Is Burning... you don’t really think they documented under two hours of footage and called it a day like they were following a script and storyboard? Of course they had to document a lot of footage and choose carefully what would help explain the ballroom scene to the general public and to the children who want to get in to the scene. You people acting like they took interviews in one week and Venus gets killed in the same exact week. It took them years of documenting these scenes.
I have always loved Pepper la beija,but seeing all this extra footage of her speaking just shows what a great person she was,.. I think in hopefully not too many years to come they will do a movie of her life,That would really be something. " oh ms Jersey wanted some sunshine" love it!!
Jenny Livingston caught lightning in a bottle with "Paris is burning" and all of this extra footage of these amazing luminaries and icons of their day. Im loving all th extra convo with Dorain... Great upload thank you!!
This was LIFE! Dorian and her church story took me out. I want to incorporate the game Lawyer in my everyday life. Pepper was a sage. He always had wise words. I can see him waiting for a response from the Priest. Venus was such an empath. Her soul was sweet. This was awesome. I wish Miss Crystal was in it though.
watching this footage has really made me understand the criticisms that were made towards the narrative in PIB, this footage seems to really show the people behind the film, not what they represented in the PIB narrative.
I was just thinking the same thing. Now I understand why many of the people she highlighted was offended and pissed off. This is the REAL representation of ballroom not the PIB version she put out.
The movie is about the ballroom scene though. It's wasn't about their lives outside the balls. And the criticism about the movie was mainly about the money they felt they didn't get. They had it in their mind that Jenni Livingston got wealthy off this movie. They should have been proud of PIB. The movie didn't paint ANY of them in a negative, exploitive light. Plus they got something even better then more money. They got immortality. Just about everybody in this movie has died. Imagine how gagged they would be over the fact that people around the world know their names well into the 21st century. Because of this movie none of them will EVER be forgotten.
Wow, I loved seeing all of this extra footage. Whoever owns this footage should donate or sell it to the Library of Congress so it can be preserved! I wish more more people from this era could’ve lived to see the ballroom scene and drag become more mainstream. I would love to hear Pepper Labeija’s thoughts on Pose, Legendary and Rupaul’s Drag Race.
The Venus scenes break my heart. What a truly genuine, beautiful, sweet woman she was. Such a doll gone waaaay too soon for no fucking good reason 😢 RIP, Queen. You will always be loved and never forgotten 💘
He moves like a man who has no weight, bones and joints, his grace and flexibility are unbelievable. He moved like silk flowing in the wind (if that makes sense).
There's nothing in this or PIB that suggests Venus used drugs. She's just really thin and was an escort to support herself, sadly. She doesn't seem at all like a user.
This is absolute sublime footage probably better than the original as it cements everyone’s stories after waiting so many years to find out more information on these idols so thank you for releasing this, there’s apparently 70 hours of footage over 7 years that we’re shot I would just love it to all be released. If anyone is curious on films around this era another one I found fascinating was a film on here called Mirror Mirror with a transvestite called Consuela Cosmetic where she talks ahout the struggles she faces hustling and surviving in New York during 1996, Octavia also appears briefly in this movie it’s a fascinating watch. If anyone has any other films they know from around this period please send a reply as I love learning more feed the children and keep the icons alive!
The wisdom of Pepper Labeija a wise sage foe the ages. See people not all Scorpio s are hateful eapecially when they were/are as evolved as a person as Pepper was.
So captivated by all this footage , feels like I’m actually there. I could watch Venus all day 💔 that born again Christian knew what he was talking about, we all die but there’s something powerful of being on camera , they all live even after death through this footage & their legacies.
I must say I am the only ignorant on Earth who hasn´t seen this movie. I need to watch it. Thank you so much for uploading these deleted scenes/outtakes. Much much appreciated.
Venus talking about her future just breaks my heart.
Exactly what I was thinking. :(
Puts things into perspective in the most heartbreaking way 😔
I know gurl, and to think that until today, trans women are the number one subject of horrible atrocities! Let me correct that not only trans women, but trans women of colour. Heart breaking. 💔
Her boyfriend, Rico, was murdered 8 months before she was, by a drug dealer who shot him in the chest. He sensed something wrong and told her to wait in the car waiting for him. He confronted the dealer (a woman), that he thought the coke was baking soda.... but didn’t expect her to pull out a gun. She ran off, while Venus cried on his chest. The dealer was never found. May Rico Rest In Peace. Lil Papi from Pose looks uncannily like Rico.
I'm curious to know, how you know so much about Venus? You don't look like you were even born yet. Did someone pass down this information to you?
It's a shame Venus's dedication to her grandmother didn't make it into the movie. It's relatable and admirable, and sadly missing from the story until now.
That would have made it so much better, To show people as who they are instead of just what they appear 💔🐱✌
OH! So you knew Venus xtravaganza?
Is it her house grandmother or her biological one??
@@AN-bo5ej biological. She said she raised het from birth. Just watch the video if you want to know.
Venus's parts are sad for so many reasons. She mentions her transition and how it affects her everyday life and her hopes to pursue a modelling carreer. Moreover she implies her family is far more accepting than the audience may think.
The latter is especially heartbreaking, considering her nephew said the same thing years later; her family called her Venus and her trans identity was the open secret nobody would talk about. Them letting her move away from their small homophobic community was most likely their way of indirect support in those hard times.
Watching Venus talk about her goals and her dreams is so heart wrenching because we know how it ended for her. These people deserved so much more than what society allowed them to have.
it was almost as if SHE KNEW her fate and wanted the world to know HOW it FEELS.
@@cheritabarbuto8851tbf with how margined people experience violence, she prob did feel ahead of time 😢
We create our own fate
@@romiansobieszczanskipaszteskiDepends on it
Dorian could have been an entire documentary all on her own. What a fascinating person.
I would love for someone to compile the stories and living witnesses to the era of of Crystal Labeija and Dorian Corey. Perhaps in a style similar to Tales from the Tour Bus
Mighty Minority I want to know more about Crystal. She is the founder of this world and yet is mentioned only in passing here. We only know more of her because of the queen and even that is not very much.
@@anthonyL1995 Crystal was still very much alive during the filming of Paris is Burning while living in the Bronx, contrary to the wrong year of death (1982). By the mid-1980's - she'd grown tired of the scene that she along with the help of Lottie Labeija created.
Lydia dellculookin Really? When did she actually pass?
@@lydiadellculookin9307 Thank you. Crystal DESERVES HER OWN DOCUMENTARY. DORIAN ALSO. I am done with these tired afterthoughts getting all the attention. Sabrina was cool, but Harlow was not ALL THAT. Throw in Donna Harris too. Nelson chronicling Rupaul, Lady Bunny, and all those girls are great. But Crystal needs to be really featured, frfr.
Venus talked about her future with such conviction and hope. It’s devastating to know she never reached her goal. Hopefully, her spirit knows how she is still RELEVANT and her words are still carried to this day.
I know. I wish she was here. When she said "I hope nothing gets in our way" I was so sad.
Venus was never given the opportunity to fully succeed at any goal really. There was so much stacked up against her. Her identity, her gender as a trans woman were all obstacles not in her favor at the time. Still we are all here for her and hopefully she is smiling down at us as much as we are smiling up at her.
DORIAN: "I'd be a recluse if I didn't need money..I'd probably never go out...just stay in the house forever." A true introvert.
Venus’ voice is so soothing. She’d be amazing at ASMR.
May she Rest In Peace.
Many people don't know that Jenny Livingston had been recording footage for Paris is Burning for many years. I believe she started recording footage from the Balls in 1984 or maybe 85. The very first Ball I went to was spring of 85 which was a House of Omni Ball and Jenny was not recording at that ball. Maybe she past on that one but the Second Ball I went to in the fall of 85 Jenny was there recording with her crew. That was a Paris House of Dupree Ball and a lot of that Ball footage was in Paris is Burning Documentary.
Jenny Livingston probably had close to 7 years of footage and remember a ball was thrown a few times each year back in those days. Not familiar how often balls are thrown today. Possibly more often because balls have become so popular worldwide. It must have been a difficult job deciding what footage was going to make it and what footage wasn't but I believe Jenny had enough footage to make a serious. I say that because most movies are filmed in a few months and Jenny had been recording footage from the ball scene for 7 years approximately. That is a lot of footage. Dvd's can be sold with just extra footage on them now or put on an app. Nobody really buys Dvd's anymore, probably gave away my age there. LMFAO 🤣.
I say all this because I see many people have enjoyed these extra footage videos here on CZcams. I know I have. It was fun seeing myself at 15 years old playing Lawyer with my Extravaganza family. I know the house spells it with an X now but that just goes to show you how long I've been a member. From the days when it was spelled with an E. LMFAO 🤣. I miss my old friends who have passed on and it was beautiful to be able to see them again on this footage. When we were all young and beautiful and just having a great time. New York City in the 1980's was incredible. The city might not have looked so good back then like it does today because of all this gentrification that has happened but it sure was an exciting time. Those years were some of the best years for night life and clubbing. There were many to pick from. Today there is barely a club scene in NYC. That I know of.
Tell it!! NYC back then was such a vibe. It came alive at night in a way that can’t be imagined even if we described it. The west side highway was far from what it looks like now. I hung out in the piers a few times, and lord how much fun we had! We didn’t need much and somehow the night was never long enough.
Thanks for the story💙💙💙💙💙
Livingston is certifiable trash - but these queens are timeless.
Which lawyer were you? ❤
@@MaryamofShomal curious what makes you say Livingston is trash. it's hard for me to think that such a wonderful documentary would come from someone who is that bad.
it’s like the director cut the most insightful and important parts that humanized the protagonists
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Thank you 100%
She did that on purpose. She had malicious intent when she made this
@@soul_child77 No she didn’t, it’s a documentary. All documentaries are exploitive to some degree.
@@divinefeminineoracle5825 well said !!! I dont think she wanted to be malicious but try to Milk it as much as possible ( and she did and she got the karma too this was her first and last Docu ) .
The poise miss Dorian showed after the gun shoots is DELIGHTFUL TO WATCH, she very aware of the danger outside minding her own business fixing her wig and giving herself its final touches, she could not be bothered and I liveeeeee!!! SHE IS A LEGEND!!
I'm sure she wasn't even gonna call the police, the interviewer or the camera man may have asked her.
That scene was epic!! 😂
She knew where she lived at. Intense.
@@O2BAmachine Right!
Which scene?
I like how Dorian just casually getting glammed up knowing damn well she got a whole dead body in his closet 🤦🏽♀️🤣😬
LOL LOL that's exactly what I was thinking did you see the part when they started shooting and she got nervous and grabbed the telephone and started smoking cigarettes back to back
I wonder if this gave Harvey inspiration for the first scene of torch song trilogy... the setting is sort of the same of drag queen talking direct to camera/audience. I think Dorian’s story could a great play
Can you pin mark the time so I can catch that please 😭😭🤧
WAIT WHAT Am i late af? When did we find out about the body!.
OMG! I just bursted out laughing at this comment like RIIGHT!!!
I've seen Paris is burning 100's of times and now this and I still can't get over how Dorian Corey spends the whole show tapping on makeup...and so dramiticly 🤣
...with some skeletons in her closet behind her lol
No disrespect though. Queen
HAVE YOU SEEN THAT FACE,SHE NEEDS ALL THAT TIME
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I see you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Hello Dawlllllin was a person it’d be Dorian
Elan Pritchett omg i’ve never seen someone with the same name as me
I love Pepper Labeija’s entire personality. She was so wise and intelligent. Dorian was a true diva *in my Beyoncé voice* I live for her realness and witty humor. Hearing Venus’ story is gut-wrenching. She was so sweet and innocent it’s so tragic how she left this world. 💔
Venus talking about her future literally shatters my heart every time. She was taken too soon from this world.
Venus caused her own death, Angie was always warning Venus about the dangers in the streets and as we can see she got murdered by some sick SOB
@@JoseRivera-je5otshe didn’t cause her own death wtf. Some disgusting man did.
@@JoseRivera-je5ot To say Venus caused her own death is really stupid. When you were in your 20s I'm sure you did many things that you didn't think through carefully. Venus was only 23 years old. A time in someone's life where we think nothing can happen to us. Unfortunately Venus wasn't as lucky as many of us were in our 20s. She was very much loved by her friends and I take offense when someone who didn't know her at all comes along because they saw her in a documentary and assume they know her so well. Venus for as small as she was she had a heart the size of Manhattan Island. She is dearly missed. I'm sure you wouldn't want someone talking about your family member so carelessly. Don't do it to mine.
"There's so much wealth for so few"--Dorian, speaking after the gunshots and running feet were heard. Some things haven't changed in over 30 years--they've gotten worse. Love listening to Dorian. She was the ballroom culture's philosopher, elder stateswoman, mother figure to the youngsters and drag legend.
"Every lady has something beautiful and has some kind of finesse about them" she was so beautiful and articulate.
Even Boy George fell in love with Venus at the Paradise Garage club. She was sitting on his lap.
I love the creators of Pose for reaching back to these Individuals to have been important roles! Like Sol Williams, the military guy, was the Ball judge on Pose that got into the fight with Candy
Pose? Ive NVR seen it. Was it a documentary also?
@@beloved8716 you haven’t watched POSE?! Omg! No it’s a series by Ryan Murphy about the ballroom scene in the 80s! It’s on Netflix now. 2 seasons! You should check it out!
@@stagelife01 ugh!! I don't have Netflix. I'm going to try to subscribe to it online now.
@@beloved8716 oh it’s worth it. It’s soooooo good, you will end up binging it and then can cancel it afterwards lol
I absolutely love Pose, I can't wait for the third season
Now I know were the inspiration between Angel and Lil Papi's romance came from in the show Pose. R.I.P Venus and Rico
I was thinking the same thing!
I can’t get through PiB or Pose without crying.
Rico is alive. Don't always believe what you see on television. Most of it is pretend. Even in biopic they make up a lot of stuff. I have seen Rican in person. He is married and a father from the last time I saw him. If you ever want to find out something ask someone who was there. If you know anyone who was. I was there and trust Rican is very much alive.
DAMN THIS FOOTAGE IS GOLD!!! Why the hell they remove this ? This needs to be RELEASED and honored Like the first one was.
It is released, this footage is exclusively on the Criterion Collection dvd’s and blu rays of Paris is Burning released back in February of this year.
YES!!!
Jenny couldn't show everything. She literally has about 8 years of footage. I remember the first ball I went to in 1985 she was there recording. Then the documentary came out in 1990. That is major footage.
When the outtakes are longer than the film itself. Love those outtakes ❤
Venus died too young, Its heartbreaking listening to her wants and desires
Wow my history growing up with these amazing people pepper , Dorian, avis my little sister Venus ,Angie my mother, Paris, Octavia, Willie and a few other ballroom legendary people may they all be resting in peace great memories and great times shared
RIP, i have the full joan rivers show
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They're all dead?
Richard Sanchez Most, yes. I believe Freddie Dupree is still alive though.
@@maisade damn.
@@richardsanchez9190 There are quite a few who are still living from this documentary:
1. Carmen Xtrava - The woman who's with Octavia (RIP) in Times Sq. talking about her hair
2. Brooke Xtrava - From the original doc release where she's talking about her surgery on the beach with Carmen X.
3. Freddie Pend'Avis - The young cute butch queen in the short set speaking on the pier
4. Sol Williams Pend'Avis - The guy who served in the military who's now Dr. Sol WIlliams
5. The young boy who was with Octavia at the photo shoot playing with the photographer's parrot
6. Xavier Labeija - The butch queen from the original Paris is Burning documentary who teaches "Pig Latin" and kiki's on the train with Kim Pendavis(RIP) & Patrick Pendavis - Ebony (RIP)
7. Candy Labeija - Ms Cheesecake Candy Labieja from the original doc and here's she's Introducing the House of Labeija members who says "I'm Candy, the legendary bodyguard" .
8. Jose Xtrava - the young butch queen who was voguing at the end at The House of Pendavis Ball in DC in the white pants - who went on to become a famous dancer/choreographer and was one of Madonna's feature dancer on her tours and in the "Vogue" video she released back in 1990. There are soooo many others who were featured in the background and judges panel who are still with us today as well.
Hearing Venus say "I just hope nothing in the long run stops us, nothing gets in the way" when discussing the dreams she shares with her boyfriend Rico is just so heart breaking. Knowing that both lives ended so young and so violently makes this footage all the more cherished. She is every TRANS woman out there and that is why there is still so much work to be done!
Omg what happened to Rico
What happened to rico how did he look
@@learnmore3387 he was shot but he died before venus, venus was at his side when he passed 💔😔
@@antoniamcgregor3285 How did you find out what happened? Was he the guy she was sitting next to on the bus?
@@Daintytwinkletoes its on fb Rico was shot by a drug dealer and died in venus's Arms someone has this info on fb that's where I heard it its a page called Venus Xtravaganza its a page dedicated to her.
And yes he is its such a cute picture!! 😍
"You didn't hear the people running?!" LOL LOL
Dorian was REAL COOL when those shots rang out CAUSE she had killed before and hoped the film team did'nt FREAK OUT!
Guuuuurl 😂
🔥😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Dorian's face is PRICELESS when it happens....so calm and comes back with a line. She was the best.
Venus sitting on her bed eating, with that bunny rabbit lamp...she’s so adorable. It makes me so sad how she was killed during the filming.
Yes. It’s another facet to her amazing soul.
The irony they were scared of gunshots outside but there was a dead body inside of dorians apartment. Rip love
Lol
for over 20 years in a CLOSET/DEAD found only AFTER Dorian died and her people were gatherig her things & found her mummified lover.
When she said where do they get the guns... I said where did you get your gun! Maybe she was asking for a friend at the time...
Trivia: the sound woman quit after the shooting. Part of the crew were outside in a van.
From the DVD commentary.
@Lucio Martínez they think it was one of Dorian’s lover, he was a drug dealer I think. You can read about it here www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-famous-drag-queen-a-mummy-in-the-closet-and-a-baffling-mystery
It’s crazy because they were all so beautiful and intelligent. To know that a lot of them didn’t go to school or anything like that but they have so much talent and most of them spoke so articulately. I hate that no one speaks about these times nowadays but I love the fact that I can come on CZcams and see these videos. It’s like going in a time machine to the 80s
I remember and met alot of these people came on the scene in 1985...can't even put into words how astounding those times were ..but I hate to say this alot of them were not as nice as they portrayed themselves in this movie and I'm not talking about Dorian
@@oliverv291 who are you talking about?
One thing I pick up from Dorian Corey is that if she'd been accepted into mainstream opportunities....she could have been a huge designer. Her natural creativity was nothing short of impressive!
I could listen to Dorian talk for days. Fascinating and insightful. I think it’s made even better knowing that she is chatting, powdering her face, casually not bothered that there is a dead body in her closet. Lol
I feel like a entire doc could have been made about Dorian alone. I find her quite fascinating and I love the way she talks, the expressions, the weird theatrical way about her. Even when she’s just sitting beating her face.
who is that Dorian?
@@murtithinker7660 The older white lady who killed someone and put them in a trunk in her closet. She also is the one that is doing her make-up in the mirror.
@@Ariel692769 lol. The drag queen. A man.
@@murtithinker7660 well yea what did you think this was about?
Actually she might of been Hispanic or Italian. Not sure.
i really loved how in-depth they talked about houses and gave a deeper personal view of each of them- they talk about AIDS and the reality of the 80’s and being LGBTQ
I remember those people to what you need good to see they faces let's not forget Apollonia Ninja Chiron Christian Jerome pain David Kevin Omni an extravaganza and so many more Josie extravaganza Coco extravaganza Jose xtravaganza all of those people were there it was amazing to see this footage it was good I give it a 10
@@iragrier3063 yesssssss Apollonia went to jail and died after
Sol Pendavis is so brave for holding an interview in his military uniform. This was during the time where there was no don't ask don't tell so if the military had any inkling of you being gay you'd get kicked out. Thank you for your service!
Dorian: “There’s so much wealth, but for so few.” So true even to this day. A cause of many of life’s injustices and the struggles of Earth’s peoples.
There's more deleted scenes of Venus speaking about her relationship with God that's not included here. There's more footage out there. I want to see it all
UCLA has it
@@DanielRamirez-md9ry why does UCLA have it ????
@@liltrill8976 new scans will be preserved in the Outfest UCLA Legacy Project Collection at the UCLA Film & Television Archive. RESTORED BY THE UCLA FILM & TELEVISION ARCHIVE
Does anyone think that the even more bonus footage will ever be shown? After researching it I found this has over 70 hours of footage and Jenny basically has full footage of paris Dupree’s ball from 85/86? They also have commentaries before she started visually shooting them, I just want it all to be released in a true mark of respect this film became bigger than all the characters themselves I think there’s maybe around 5 characters from this film still around so sad
I love Venus in white, she looks so beautiful like a Barbie from the 60s.
You live for Maggie Robinson, don't you?
26:30 Dorian’s facial expression was so funny.
The way she said “you didn’t hear the people running?” It’s like she was saying “Duh, asshole! Of course it was gun shots! You’re asking me stupid questions for what?”
😂
Towards the end, that scene with the elevator. Angie in the distance while a mom tries to shield her son from seeing anything “out of the ordinary” for them. Idk why that always moves me in a harsh way.
I love Pepper but Dorian is the true historian❤ Dorian didn't even flinch when those shots rang out, she was like, "alright" and carried on! She was glamorous, motherly, confident and comfortable in her skin. There is something sweet, soft and innocent about Venus; it's so tragic what happened to her.
I almost like this better than the original PIB. They are all less guarded and we can learn so much about them.
Wow, now I see why the subjects of this documentary didn't appreciate the way it was cut. The story that was told in the documentary was produced. I'm so happy this video saw the light. So much more substance to these people than what was portrayed. Bless them all x0
Jenny Livingston has about 8 years of ball footage and footage of us hanging out and many others. Many times she wouldn't ask if she can record. She would just walk up on us with her camera crew and many times we (the Extravaganzas) would not want to be recorded. Example, we had to tell her no before we started playing lawyer and we walked away. When we came back we let her record us playing lawyer and joking around. I'm glad we did that because we would have had some personal business on film and that wouldn't have been cool.
Dorian Corey could have had her own separate documentary.
And then maybe tell us what happened with the body in the suitcase! Wha ha happened????
He ID’d as male.
This unseen footage is like the Rosetta Stone of American gay/drag culture. It adds so much context to better understand where the modern drag culture came from. This is incredible!
I know when I was first told about this footage and I saw it. It was emotional to see myself with friends who are no longer here. Funny thing is I remember that night so clearly of us playing lawyer. We had so much fun together mind you there was no cell phones. No social media. No computers or wifi. It was all about communication and being creative with our time and we made the best of it and it was the best. ❤ I miss my friends. ❤
WOW! So it was Pepper Labeija who first coined the term “drag race,” not Ru Paul. The SHADE! ❤️
Everything from RPDR is directly taken from 1980s NYC ballroom culture. Ev👏er👏y👏thing👏
@@AN-bo5ej and those late assed sissies were allowed to rob Shangela of her title when Rupaul or the production staff changed the rules. I enjoy Drag Race and Rupaul is kinda peerless in a way, in a way, but he was not down with the brown skinned girls.
@@geraldtyus8645 RP is literally black but ok
THIS! We the children have heard it better REMEMBER.
and the word Nootch
Oh the fun that was had at those piers! NYC in the late 80s and 90s was the best. It was rough but it made so many of us the wiser, the better! It truly was survival of the fittest. But you always found a way to have fun! No matter how dangerous it was. I’m a straight female and i would sneak off to the piers at the age of 14 with my gay best friend. I was the only one who knew he was gay (back then) and the piers provided him with a sense of freedom to be Himself. Oh the things we saw, 🤭, the fun we had! Long live these legendary children that paved the way! I wish I would have met them back then, but i was just a kids. You will live on forever. NYC is not the same now, but it was because of these legends that the kids no longer have to hide and are able to be free and be themselves. It’s sad they didn’t get to live and see how much they changed the world!
I always thought the Balls were way more cutthroat but it's nice to Hear Pepper giving props to Dorian. The Documentary doesn't really show how collaborative folks were with each other
Dorian's life and philosophy is so interesting. I agree with her on books vs TV and the impact it has on imagination
I could listen all day.
Hehehe
This is insightful. Even more revealing than the original film.
I’m really impressed by the time and dedication Marcel Christian took to write those Idle Sheets!
He had his own magazine/encyclopedia! Super impressed.👏👏👏
is it published? i wanna buy it.
Dorian is the epitome of class. I screamed when she says she hope she doesn’t turn out looking like Baby Jane Hudson lmao
I got my entire life while streaming this to my 65 " TV im still up at 130 am watching..
"Why would they hurt you?"
"Beacuse people are evil in general from jealousy."
Venus ATE that. The dolls never feel totally safe around anyone- even near our own people, family, or the ballscene.
They're quick to try & catch you off your guard, so we stay to ourselves for protection.
Rest In Power to all the Dolls who left us early. And love to the Dolls that are still here.
@ms facts jackson Obviously we know your story, & it ain't good; cause SOMEBODY wants attention, & can't use proper punctuation. If you felt so damn safe with your family & "STR8" childhood friends, you wouldn't be bothered to open your raggedy mouth. Chile, go sit down somewhere. 🕊
Pepper’s voice is pure ASMR
I SOOOO wanted to learn more about the underrated costars of this documentary like Kim Pendavis (at the sewing machine) who died not long after this, Tenille Toni Dupree, and Apollonia Ninja (the tall beautiful statuesque model looking woman).
I see you live for Michael Jackson. Right? The wizard of pop.
Wow, the ending with them going home on the bus is really powerful, cause so many of them are gone now.
I totally wanted to live in NYC in the 80s. I was a kid though but even then i knew it was a vibe.
It was definitely a vibe but it wasn't for everyone especially if you weren't from nyc but it was a hell a fun! ❤
To the people complaining that there were too many clips cut out of Paris Is Burning... you don’t really think they documented under two hours of footage and called it a day like they were following a script and storyboard? Of course they had to document a lot of footage and choose carefully what would help explain the ballroom scene to the general public and to the children who want to get in to the scene. You people acting like they took interviews in one week and Venus gets killed in the same exact week. It took them years of documenting these scenes.
This just proves to me that the actual film needed to be 2 hours long, minimum. Too many good scenes removed. Glad you posted this.
These amazing people probably had limited access to a formal education but they were/are the most enlightened humans I've ever heard speak.
Dorian killed that man before he could kill her.
I have always loved Pepper la beija,but seeing all this extra footage of her speaking just shows what a great person she was,..
I think in hopefully not too many years to come they will do a movie of her life,That would really be something.
" oh ms Jersey wanted some sunshine" love it!!
Hearing Venus talk about what her grandmother said to her about guys it's so heartbreaking and sad after knowing her end. 💔
I'm floored stumbling on this...😮
Jenny Livingston caught lightning in a bottle with "Paris is burning" and all of this extra footage of these amazing luminaries and icons of their day. Im loving all th extra convo with Dorain... Great upload thank you!!
This was LIFE! Dorian and her church story took me out. I want to incorporate the game Lawyer in my everyday life. Pepper was a sage. He always had wise words. I can see him waiting for a response from the Priest. Venus was such an empath. Her soul was sweet. This was awesome. I wish Miss Crystal was in it though.
Crystal was so legendary!
Dorian: What should we talk about?
Me: How about that dead body in a chest at the back of the room? LOL
Shade lmaoo
watching this footage has really made me understand the criticisms that were made towards the narrative in PIB, this footage seems to really show the people behind the film, not what they represented in the PIB narrative.
I was just thinking the same thing. Now I understand why many of the people she highlighted was offended and pissed off. This is the REAL representation of ballroom not the PIB version she put out.
The movie is about the ballroom scene though. It's wasn't about their lives outside the balls.
And the criticism about the movie was mainly about the money they felt they didn't get. They had it in their mind that Jenni Livingston got wealthy off this movie.
They should have been proud of PIB. The movie didn't paint ANY of them in a negative, exploitive light. Plus they got something even better then more money. They got immortality. Just about everybody in this movie has died. Imagine how gagged they would be over the fact that people around the world know their names well into the 21st century.
Because of this movie none of them will EVER be forgotten.
What’s PIB? Thank you so very much for your assistance with this question! I’ve read it a few times before.
Paris is burning@@ArielisisRuiz77
I feel like everyone that seems one way in the film, comes off I whole diffrent way on this backstage footage.
I believe that was one of the complaints they had after filming
Carmen the lady who was trying on the white sunglass, is still alive.
I love Carmen 🙏
Yes! I follow her on Facebook. She is married and lives in Florida. I think she even has a toddler. I am so happy that she is alive and healthy.
I think she is now 64 and struggling with stage 4 cancer, so sad she’s one of the only ones left
Wow, I loved seeing all of this extra footage. Whoever owns this footage should donate or sell it to the Library of Congress so it can be preserved! I wish more more people from this era could’ve lived to see the ballroom scene and drag become more mainstream. I would love to hear Pepper Labeija’s thoughts on Pose, Legendary and Rupaul’s Drag Race.
The stuff right here. I’ve watched the documentary so many times, but these scenes are magic.
Speechless at Venus's goals about having children and nothing stopping them. I'm even more heart broken.
Venus would have been a stunning mother.
It’s admirable how well-spoken & knowledgeable they are ❤️
Were 😞
The Venus scenes break my heart. What a truly genuine, beautiful, sweet woman she was. Such a doll gone waaaay too soon for no fucking good reason 😢
RIP, Queen. You will always be loved and never forgotten 💘
At 2:43 - our beloved Pepper coined the phrase "Drag Race". She said it first!!!!!!
The first person talking is Pepper?
Jaybee yes that’s Pepper
I caught that! Legendary!
@@jbak87 Yup. Legendary! 💜
I heard it for three first time just now and gasped!
Im glad someone else caught it!
Wow - those Willi Ninja outtakes in the park are EVERYTHING
He moves like a man who has no weight, bones and joints, his grace and flexibility are unbelievable. He moved like silk flowing in the wind (if that makes sense).
I really wish all of this deleted footage made it into the main film, so much to learn and admire about these legends. May they all rest in peace.
Pepper is absolutely incredibly real and intellectual.
I could watch Dorian for days, she is so captivating
Its heart breaking to listen to Venus say things like 'when she was a child' because she practically still is a child and an addict during this.
An addict! Addicted to what exactly?
I've never seen any mention or evidence of her having had substance abuse issues. Ever.
@@AN-bo5ej That's because you're not about that life.
@@nitsuohquintero4683 Pink rainbows and sunshine.
There's nothing in this or PIB that suggests Venus used drugs. She's just really thin and was an escort to support herself, sadly. She doesn't seem at all like a user.
Honestly, these deleted scenes add up to a more interesting version of the film than the final cut. What a shame.
So happy to see more of Octavia St Laurent and also Pepper, Venus and more about the culture, scene and their lives outside the ball lights
Venus was a beautiful person. May she rest in peace.
Venus was such an admirable and soft spoken woman.. it breaks my heart to know that she’s not with us anymore. God bless her
I’m greedy. Would’ve loved to see more of Willie Ninja voguing. This video serves as a time capsule for the ages. 🏳️🌈🦋🖤
Greed is a killer 🙂
This is absolute sublime footage probably better than the original as it cements everyone’s stories after waiting so many years to find out more information on these idols so thank you for releasing this, there’s apparently 70 hours of footage over 7 years that we’re shot I would just love it to all be released.
If anyone is curious on films around this era another one I found fascinating was a film on here called Mirror Mirror with a transvestite called Consuela Cosmetic where she talks ahout the struggles she faces hustling and surviving in New York during 1996, Octavia also appears briefly in this movie it’s a fascinating watch. If anyone has any other films they know from around this period please send a reply as I love learning more feed the children and keep the icons alive!
I’m still in disbelief Dorian is going on with his life fixing herself together while a body decaying in her Trunk 😫😫😫
It wasn't decaying...It was mummified. It had been there since the late 70's.
I was searching for that plaid garment bag in every scene featuring Dorian!
@@auntredbee It was upstairs in the closet tucked away in the back area of the closet.⚰
Probably was some kind of witchcraft?
@@YoBoyMarcus before the mummification took places it was decaying 🌚
15:45 she predicted her death. She wanted kids but she died before she could adopt. 😭😭😭
So sad. So very very 😥 sad. I feel it
Watching this now I understand the dynamics of pose even more. Seems like Blanca is based loosely on Pepper labeija
Janet Mock says the inspiration for Blanca’s role comes from Angie Xtravaganza.
Jonathan Stephens ahhh ok, yes that would definitely make more sense.
It breaks my heart the way Venus had her future ahead of her, and it was gone in an instant
All of these people are storytellers and culture vessels. I wish they knew just how loved they are still. I wish they were still around.
Can we please talk about how cute Dorian looks when she smiles with her big 70’s glasses and curly blond wig???
Anybody else notice how woke Lebeija was? That conversation about the government gave me chills.
Every word still applies to day….
She was wise beyond her years!!!
26:03 had me dying lmao. Dorian could’ve been a whole movie on her own.
This is amazing. I just watched the movie and I wanted moreee
The Godfather of vogue Willie Ninja
The wisdom of Pepper Labeija
a wise sage foe the ages.
See people not all Scorpio s are hateful eapecially when they were/are as evolved as a person as Pepper was.
So captivated by all this footage , feels like I’m actually there. I could watch Venus all day 💔 that born again Christian knew what he was talking about, we all die but there’s something powerful of being on camera , they all live even after death through this footage & their legacies.
Watching Venus talk about her and Rico's future knowing neither of them would make it out if 1988 is heartbreaking.
I must say I am the only ignorant on Earth who hasn´t seen this movie. I need to watch it. Thank you so much for uploading these deleted scenes/outtakes. Much much appreciated.
Those idle sheets are fantastic!