Love the video it was very informative, but I have a suggestion you said they were high-capacity magazines in the video but in reality they are standard capacity magazines. True high-capacity magazines get a hold 50 to 100 rounds, The 30 round magazine is considered standard. The only reason the 30 is called high-capacity is because the media calls it that is to scare people into supporting gun control. Not trying to be a dick or anything I just thought I’d point that out.
Original standard capacity for the M16 was 20 rounds, and 30 rounds for the newer M4s. There is no such thing as high capacity magazines. I refuse to call a Surefire 90 round magazine "high capacity". It's 90 rounds. The other ones are 60 rounds. It's a number and that is all it is.
@@Satchmoeddie It's all relative to the shooter and situation. If your magazine held so many rounds that it made the gun weigh say 80 lb and you couldn't carry it, then it would be too high capacity for CQB but not for a bench gun.. if your magazine was so long that when you stood up holding the rifle it stuck into the ground and you couldn't see the sights then the mag is too long for that person, but not necessarily too high capacity, as the the design of the magazine would just have to be changed so it is wider and shorter.
BEWARE...I bought Gen3 pmags a few weeks ago and the feed lips HAVE STRETCHED! A slight flick of the wrist or a slight bump when inserting it and the second round comes up slightly and keeps the mag from seating in the well. I keep 28 rounds in them (30 round mags). I discovered this while at the range and could not seat the mags. HOWEVER, I have one gen2 pmag and it has NOT stretched to date. It has either stretched or is made to wide at the lip, not sure which one.
I've ran into seating issues with the Gen3 Non-window. I've not had problems with the Gen3 Window Mags I have for some reason. I really like Pmags more than any other but the seating I can't deny has been somewhat of an issue with multiple guns.
+BAD45 Acp That is interesting, I keep a selection of different generation magazines around just for testing during builds. Only had problems with the gen 2 pmags and some steel magazines. I will make sure to add a non-windowed gen iii to my collection, I have mostly windowed gen iii.
Appreciate the info but our cut off date for high capacity magazines was July 1. I did pick up a bunch of Gen 2 non windowed mags before the cut off date though. Really didn't need anymore but you never know.
Apple and oranges had plenty of problems with the gen 3 pmags they dont fit all lowers!!!! The notch on the back side of the mag makes it a bitch to seat!!!!
3:54 What about PSA receivers,? Do you consider them lower quality or "affordable" quality? As from my understanding they are milspec receivers, and gen 2 pmags are included in lots of PSA deals, like with recievers, BCGs, firearm cases/bags, Magpul furniture, etc.. where they include 7 30rnd or 3-4 40rnd pmags for 50 more dollars, plus last I checked they mostly sell gen 2 pmags Curious as I like some of their custom recievers(the faux "govt. Property m4a1/2 recievers for my m4a2 clone I wanna build but use pmags and old g.i. aluminum mags with, or higher capacity pmag gen 2 mags with since over 30 legal where I live) Hopefully you can remember, as this video is a older now.. Also if someone has lots of gen 2 pmags, do you recommend the switch to gen 3 if the price point is higher(wherever you get your mags) by more than a few dollars? I appreciate your videos, and your reviews when it comes to AR products, as I'm not a long time AR owner, so reviews on random AR items like iron sights/optics and Magpul equipment esp the MIAD review have been *really* helpful in guiding me in purchases It's nice to have a channel with information that doesn't just assume AR owners know everything an experienced owner would, which has made your channel one of the first I recommend to new AR/firearm owners, especially as it covers expensive and "affordable" items as well as being honest about "cheap" things to avoid
Personally I have owned many types of lower receivers and have only run into one that wasn't quite within spec. Never had any problems with PSA products myself and have owned several lowers, uppers and BCG's. They do however have different quality levels, so the cheapest item they sell isn't necessarily the best out of their range. I wouldn't switch from gen 2 to gen 3 pmags, in reality, they all get the job done. PSA has some great combo deals and most of those seem to include gen 2 pmags (bulk packaged versions). Thanks for the positive comments.
@@2phast thanks for the quick reply, and the information on PSA recievers The positive comments are all very much deserved Can't wait for the next video! Have a great new year!
This is just a personal preference, but I don’t load more than 25 rounds into a 30 round magazine. I just don’t want to compress the spring all the way down. Again, this is just a personal preference.
30 rnds in a 30 round magazine won't compress the spring all the way down either, unless you have a defective magazine or design. There has to be enough room left so the spring can compress when inserted on a closed Bolt. You should be able to fit 31 rounds in your 30-round AR mag.
"If Magpul ever comes out with a Gen 4" lmao 7 years later, still nothing. I guess it's hard to complain, the Gen 3 works flawlessly. The lack of space for the dust cover is just annoying.
I’m not a Pmag hater by any means, but I have to wonder about something. Brass is a metal and Pmags are a polymer. I have to wonder what is happening every time a cartridge is stripped out of a Pmag and into the chamber of a gun. It seems to me that the brass would tear off just a tiny little bit of the Pmags feed lips from the inside of the feed lips. I don’t have anything against Pmags, but I like the aluminum G.I. Mags better. I think aluminum is stronger than steel. I have some Pmags, but for a SHTF situation I would rather rely on the G.I. mags.
Brian Underwood you cant measure it by weight you measure by volume and since steel is far denser than aluminum, one pound of steel would be a much smaller size than one pound of ALU. however if we made a reasonable comparison say, we made one mag out of steel and another out of ALU, both of equal proportions, the steel mag would be far far stronger. the benefit to aluminum is reduced weight and its strong resistance to corrosion
Mark Breitsameter-Yeah, you are correct. Steel is stronger than aluminum. I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I had a major brain fart. Or a blonde moment. My apologies.
My biggest bitch about Gen3 mags is the dust cover will not clip on the bottom of the Gen 3. It will in Gen 2. Used to, the Gen 2s came with the dust cover. No more😡.
Nate Stain-They help keep dust out of the magazine, but the most important thing is they push the top round down slightly to keep the top round from pushing up onto the feed lips.
Love the video it was very informative, but I have a suggestion you said they were high-capacity magazines in the video but in reality they are standard capacity magazines. True high-capacity magazines get a hold 50 to 100 rounds, The 30 round magazine is considered standard. The only reason the 30 is called high-capacity is because the media calls it that is to scare people into supporting gun control. Not trying to be a dick or anything I just thought I’d point that out.
Original standard capacity for the M16 was 20 rounds, and 30 rounds for the newer M4s. There is no such thing as high capacity magazines. I refuse to call a Surefire 90 round magazine "high capacity". It's 90 rounds. The other ones are 60 rounds. It's a number and that is all it is.
Seth B you know what you’re right, glad you pointed that out friend. 😄
@@Satchmoeddie It's all relative to the shooter and situation. If your magazine held so many rounds that it made the gun weigh say 80 lb and you couldn't carry it, then it would be too high capacity for CQB but not for a bench gun.. if your magazine was so long that when you stood up holding the rifle it stuck into the ground and you couldn't see the sights then the mag is too long for that person, but not necessarily too high capacity, as the the design of the magazine would just have to be changed so it is wider and shorter.
never had a problem with any of my pmags ethier m2-or m3
Good start man, here's a comment to help your algorithm!
This was helpful in determining a purchase. Thanks, man.
have ran both m2 and m3 they both run fine
The knotch on the spine of the gen 3 prevents over feeding the mag which I found was an issue for me on the gen 2. Glad they made this upgrade.
Both work just fine .
nice review... kinda long, but covers a lot of details. Thanks!
Appreciate the comment. I am trying to fine tune my video commentarys to address the issue.
BEWARE...I bought Gen3 pmags a few weeks ago and the feed lips HAVE STRETCHED! A slight flick of the wrist or a slight bump when inserting it and the second round comes up slightly and keeps the mag from seating in the well. I keep 28 rounds in them (30 round mags). I discovered this while at the range and could not seat the mags. HOWEVER, I have one gen2 pmag and it has NOT stretched to date. It has either stretched or is made to wide at the lip, not sure which one.
I've ran into seating issues with the Gen3 Non-window. I've not had problems with the Gen3 Window Mags I have for some reason. I really like Pmags more than any other but the seating I can't deny has been somewhat of an issue with multiple guns.
+BAD45 Acp That is interesting, I keep a selection of different generation magazines around just for testing during builds. Only had problems with the gen 2 pmags and some steel magazines. I will make sure to add a non-windowed gen iii to my collection, I have mostly windowed gen iii.
Have you used Lancer? Have used Pmags but never Lancer, though will sometime.
Great video. Thanks. I'm going to pick some gen 3s up soon.
Thanks, No one had the answer on this, glad that you did.
None of mine have come with dust covers for some reason
Same! I mean I keep my clean regardless , but it would be nice to have anyways
they also fit in the norinco t97
Thanks really helped me make an informed decision;-)
Glad it helped.
Hey 2 phast, if you are still looking for Pmag Gen 3 mags, Lanbo’s Armory has the Gen 3 windowed Pmags for $12.40 each. I just got 10 of them.
Appreciate the info but our cut off date for high capacity magazines was July 1. I did pick up a bunch of Gen 2 non windowed mags before the cut off date though. Really didn't need anymore but you never know.
Apple and oranges had plenty of problems with the gen 3 pmags they dont fit all lowers!!!! The notch on the back side of the mag makes it a bitch to seat!!!!
I picked up the gen 2s cause they were 10 bucks where as the gen 3s were 15 bucks. Don’t see the point in paying 5 dollars more per mag.
Same here. Have you seen good results with the Gen 2’s?
3:54
What about PSA receivers,? Do you consider them lower quality or "affordable" quality? As from my understanding they are milspec receivers, and gen 2 pmags are included in lots of PSA deals, like with recievers, BCGs, firearm cases/bags, Magpul furniture, etc.. where they include 7 30rnd or 3-4 40rnd pmags for 50 more dollars, plus last I checked they mostly sell gen 2 pmags
Curious as I like some of their custom recievers(the faux "govt. Property m4a1/2 recievers for my m4a2 clone I wanna build but use pmags and old g.i. aluminum mags with, or higher capacity pmag gen 2 mags with since over 30 legal where I live)
Hopefully you can remember, as this video is a older now..
Also if someone has lots of gen 2 pmags, do you recommend the switch to gen 3 if the price point is higher(wherever you get your mags) by more than a few dollars?
I appreciate your videos, and your reviews when it comes to AR products, as I'm not a long time AR owner, so reviews on random AR items like iron sights/optics and Magpul equipment esp the MIAD review have been *really* helpful in guiding me in purchases
It's nice to have a channel with information that doesn't just assume AR owners know everything an experienced owner would, which has made your channel one of the first I recommend to new AR/firearm owners, especially as it covers expensive and "affordable" items as well as being honest about "cheap" things to avoid
Personally I have owned many types of lower receivers and have only run into one that wasn't quite within spec. Never had any problems with PSA products myself and have owned several lowers, uppers and BCG's. They do however have different quality levels, so the cheapest item they sell isn't necessarily the best out of their range. I wouldn't switch from gen 2 to gen 3 pmags, in reality, they all get the job done. PSA has some great combo deals and most of those seem to include gen 2 pmags (bulk packaged versions). Thanks for the positive comments.
@@2phast thanks for the quick reply, and the information on PSA recievers
The positive comments are all very much deserved
Can't wait for the next video!
Have a great new year!
This is just a personal preference, but I don’t load more than 25 rounds into a 30 round magazine. I just don’t want to compress the spring all the way down. Again, this is just a personal preference.
30 rnds in a 30 round magazine won't compress the spring all the way down either, unless you have a defective magazine or design. There has to be enough room left so the spring can compress when inserted on a closed Bolt. You should be able to fit 31 rounds in your 30-round AR mag.
@@motohead077 The veterans I know always said to load only 28 rounds in a 30 round magazine.
@@mikeg2250 yup at my police dept. that’s how we run them. 28 rounds with a ready-mag attached to rifle. 56 rounds ready to go.
@@mikeg2250 As a combat myself, don't sweat it. I always used 30 rounds even in combat zones. Never had an issue.
"If Magpul ever comes out with a Gen 4"
lmao 7 years later, still nothing.
I guess it's hard to complain, the Gen 3 works flawlessly.
The lack of space for the dust cover is just annoying.
I’m not a Pmag hater by any means, but I have to wonder about something. Brass is a metal and Pmags are a polymer. I have to wonder what is happening every time a cartridge is stripped out of a Pmag and into the chamber of a gun. It seems to me that the brass would tear off just a tiny little bit of the Pmags feed lips from the inside of the feed lips. I don’t have anything against Pmags, but I like the aluminum G.I. Mags better. I think aluminum is stronger than steel. I have some Pmags, but for a SHTF situation I would rather rely on the G.I. mags.
Aluminum is in fact not stronger than steel
Mark Breitsameter-Pound for pound, I think it is.
Brian Underwood you cant measure it by weight you measure by volume and since steel is far denser than aluminum, one pound of steel would be a much smaller size than one pound of ALU. however if we made a reasonable comparison say, we made one mag out of steel and another out of ALU, both of equal proportions, the steel mag would be far far stronger. the benefit to aluminum is reduced weight and its strong resistance to corrosion
Mark Breitsameter-Actually, I think that I meant to say that aluminum is stronger than brass. Not steel.
Mark Breitsameter-Yeah, you are correct. Steel is stronger than aluminum. I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I had a major brain fart. Or a blonde moment. My apologies.
My biggest bitch about Gen3 mags is the dust cover will not clip on the bottom of the Gen 3. It will in Gen 2. Used to, the Gen 2s came with the dust cover. No more😡.
English?
Sorry for the dumb question, but I've never gotten those clips at the top with any of the PMAGS Ive bought. What is the point of them?
Nate Stain-They help keep dust out of the magazine, but the most important thing is they push the top round down slightly to keep the top round from pushing up onto the feed lips.
CAN SOMEONE SUMMARIZE??
the only pmag that won't hold blot open is a gen3 10 rounder I think it is becuse it's too short empty
My little 10 rounder worked fine.