Ep. 268 | AR vs. Bolt Action Rifles For Night Hunters!
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2023
- There are many debates among hunters and that holds true for those of us dedicated to the specific niche of night hunting. One of those debates is between the use of bolt action rifles and AR style rifles. Many people new to the world of night hunting aren't looking for a debate but are truly asking questions to weigh their options on which style of rifle setup is right for them. On this podcast we discuss the pros and cons of each style of rifle for night hunters.
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Good topic idea and it was well-discussed. Another item I'd mention is that it isn't only the length-of-pull that can be an issue with NV/thermal optics on bolt guns, but also the comb height. AR stocks are designed to position your eye well with an optic lens centerline that is about 2.5" above the bore (this was done because of the original AR sights/carry-handle). Your typical bolt action has a stock designed for an optic centerline of maybe 1.5" above the bore. This means that most box-style NV or thermals sit very high on a conventional bolt gun and the shooter's cheek is barely touching the stock. The 30mm tube designs can fix this, but the box-style units are really a double whammy for fitment on a conventional bolt action. A modern chassis-rifle like a Sig Cross bolt action, having a fully adjustable LOP and comb, can minimize these problems while having all the same attachment points that an AR offers. I like the fit/feel of the AR platform, so the Cross works well for me in many roles when I'm not using my AR rifles. Another item worth mentioning is that a bolt gun does not require any tuning for functioning with a suppressor. Some (not all) AR rifles do require adjustable gas blocks or different buffer springs and weights to function well with a given ammo/suppressor combo. My AR15 .223 runs fine with a can, but my AR10 .308 needed an adjustable gas block for suppressed use. Both are indeed rather dirty, as you guys mentioned. Of course, the best answer is always to have multiple examples of both ARs and bolt guns!😉
All great points and very accurate info! Thank you for watching and commenting...
One reason I use a bolt rifle is because it's easier to manipulate at night without making a lot of noise.
I've had buddies scare off coyote when charging their AR's after traveling to a new stand.
If I lived in Pig country, I would use a semi auto.
That makes sense.. Thanks for the comment!
Love the fact y'all are Grendel lovers like i am. These days my AR Grendel is secondary to my Howa mini Grendel due to weight. The AR I do use often is my NV short range hmr upper in a polymer lower. Super lightweight and easy to carry and therefore take an offhand shot quickly if needed. Up here in Ohio its coyote country, almost no pigs up here. Only wished I had my AR Grendel once on a short range runner but the weight differential trumps follow up shots 99% of the time. Grendel rules!
Yes sir we do love the Grendel! It’s a great all around caliber. Thanks for watching
Guys, what about a dependable AK-47 in 7.62 x 39 suppressed?
I shoot several AK’s suppressed in action competition with thousands of rounds and never one jamming issue.
As popular as the AK-47 frame is, you just don't see many folks mounting thermals to them for some reason... You are right about the dependability though
New Camera and or lighting? Looks good.
Thanks for noticing Mike! Hans has new lighting so his gray facial hair shows up brighter on camera... haha! Thanks for watching
I got a new light and we change the background picture up a bit. Thanks Mike!
AR are nice. I own three. However, I hate when my AR short stroke. I have to go through a checklist of checking a lot of parts to find what is causing a gas issue.
With my bolt guns, I have less issues.
My next bolt gun will be a Brownells Barreled action .223 or 22-250 and a oryx chassis. That is about as custom I can go with my budget.
Krg bravo is another affordable option. I have one on a 22. Its sweet.
great choice right there!
I just put my Ruger Ranch 300 Blackout in the Oryx chassis really like it.
The Oryx are great! Hans has one in for the same rifle but in a 6.5 grendel caliber
What kind of projectiles and velocity are you getting out of the 12.5" 6.5?
Hans uses Hornady BTHP 123 grain and Jason uses Hornady SST's.... Not sure about velocity out of the short barrel. Thank you watching!
Very informative videos as always 🤟🤟🇺🇸🇺🇸would like to see a C-50 4k lrf v2 lol
haha! Thanks for watching!
This is a little bit of a controversial one l o l. Have not even watched it yet but cannot wait. I come from the marine corps side. Let's see this goes. You always have great stuff
Thanks for watching!
What dont you have mosquito covering? That is the first thing i got ready to night hunt. Cut up some old summer time bow hunting stuff to build a full cover net to flip up so i can sight through the net with eye holes.
How do you like that Oryx Chassis
I like it a lot! Wasn't too expensive either...