I love the swerve from the dad, in the end he empathized with Mariko. He told Buntaro, nah you are going to feel the same thing you forced Mariko to endure all this time. Wanting to die but being bound by duty to live. This is why she dont love you bro.
THE THING is sometimes I fell Mariko was ass to him since the beginning of their marriage because of her family situation, and she kind of made him insecure that he is not up to her level, which I think made him treat her like trash, I am not saying it is an excuse, but back then he had a reason for it and can't say it out loud because it would be pettiness to say my wife doesn't love me right? He is a tragic character ngl@@tink6225
Toranaga had to lose a general to further cement the idea of his defeat. However 3 generals raised their voice in defiance, it is within this moment that Hiromatsu took the decisive step to sacrifice his life for Toranaga’s cause. Saving Toranaga from losing 3 generals and also fooling Osaka into believing Toranaga’s march to defeat is real.
@@t500010000 bro even if the order is to follow him to death in Osaka? Hiromatsu said in the first episode how much he hates Osaka. And thus chose his place of death outside of Osaka.
@@bentucky4324 I don't know the battle plan, but it seems if the generals followed orders and let Toranaga act defeated because of his son and marched to "surrender" they would have 4 generals instead of 3 cowards. Hiromatsu I think gave Toranaga a perfect performance to act defeated while keeping most of his army, I'm guessing those generals must have a good amount of men who would have also rebelled. So you do believe in pointless deaths...
@@t500010000 3 cowards? They were all about to do what Hiromatsu did as you can tell from them reaching for their own blades. Hiromatsu spoke out and made it about himself so that Toranaga would have 3 generals instead of 1 old one.
Notice that Hiromatsu said "Do not give up on our lord. Even when it appears he has given up on himself." The key word there is "appears." Hiromatsu was telling Buntaro that this was part of a deception, and also saying that he was willingly playing his part.
Buntaro never understood that Mariko was asking for death as something for herself. She was grieving her family behind her "fence" but she was duty bound so she never was free. Him offering they seppeku together defeats the purpose of her truly doing the act for herself for her own relief.
She was married by her father. In the context of feudal Japan, taking it out on the husband is not fair nor smart, just goes to show her true character that escapes most people.
@@enginaliosman4491 Her family was murdered and her name disgraced. She was grieving but still dutiful and honorable. Buntaro's own father felt for Mariko and told him he couldn't kill himself so he could feel what he had done to Mariko all those years. She served Toranaga loyally. She was respected and cherished by everyone but her husband.
@@JazzyBelle611 Are we watching the same show? I guess not, or there are too many nuances and details, in contrast to every character that we eventually end up picking what fits us and side with that side of reality. Picky loyalty is what she had, giving it up to a barbarian shortly after her husband has been left behind to die is not respectable nor cherishable. Her family was killed because her father committed a grave act of treason. If you are able to abstract your opinion of Mariko from the great performance of Anna Sawai, there is nothing honorable about her, as she is ultimately a prideful, selfish hypocrite at best. As the father, so the daughter.
@@JazzyBelle611 What his own father did to Buntaro is exactly what Buntaro did to Mariko, true, but it's what everyone does with their loved one, keeping them alive, not giving permission for their death because it's selfish. They have a child together? Hello?
@@JazzyBelle611 Everybody seems to think the husband knew that she was seeking death to escape him, despite the whole reveal of her wish being in the episode that she explains the eightfold fence. When she would ask him to kill herself she presented it as doing it so she could do it for her family that she lost. Of course she wouldn't tell him to his face "I want to kill myself because I hate being stuck to you." so every time he denied it he thought he was doing her a mercy by telling her to live and hopefully with time she would come to forgive herself for what happened with her family. It wasn't until the tea ceremony that she finally told him and he understood why she wanted to kill herself. It wasn't because she wanted death she wanted to be away from him. Despite not knowing this though it's clear Mariko was cold to him during the marriage. In small hints you can see it where he walks in on her laughing with their child and then instantly turns to ice. He's unforgiveable for being an abuser but he was pushed into it by her constant ice routine. She thought herself better than him and even lamented to her friend why did her father choose someone so bad for her to marry and that probably leaked through into their interactions which caused him to crash out and react by taking it out on her. Again, it's obvious and plain as day that the husband had no idea that by denying her death he wasn't saving her or offering her a mercy. He was unknowingly being a villain in everybody's eyes by forcing her to live her life chained to him.
The seppuku wasn't prearranged, but the generals were rebelling and putting the plan in jeopardy with their resistance. Hiromatsu didn't know what the plan was, but he did know there was one, and if Toranaga keeps insisting he's surrendering, then Hiromatsu knows its important to the plan. As Toranaga's #1 guy, he can't allow things to get derailed by this sudden resistance...so he pulls the seppuku card in order to stop everyone in their tracks. Once that happened, both of them know that Toranaga has to stick to his guns, and Hiromatsu has to go through with it. It was already decided (figuratively speaking) the moment Hiromatsu made the threat. The moment was so emotional between them because they were suddenly saying goodbye after all this time, with no other good options. So, what looks like Hiromatsu taking a stand against Toranaga is really him making the ultimate sacrifice to ensure Toranaga's plan will work.
There was a silent exchange between the two during the seppuku scene. Hiromatsu said ”Use my life to deceive the enemy. If you reject my admonition and order me to commit seppuku, my chief vassal, then Ishidou will surely believe in your surrender." Toranaga is faced with a difficult choice by Hiromatsu. Should he lose the life of his most trusted vassal here? But he knew that this method would surely deceive Ishidou.
Tea ceremony context from my rusty knowledge about the subject: entering that room makes them become equals and Buntaro has to humble himself by literally lowering himself in the process (that’s why the room is so small), no matter how high above her he is, part of the ceremony revolves around that notion, when Mariko spins the bowl, it’s because she is offering the prettiest side of it towards him, showing both respect and, if not love, appreciation both for his skills and for his gesture, as for her rejection, part of it is the mistreatment, yes, but it’s also the fact that she is from a lineage that’s far above him, so, when she said the life thing, it’s because she aspired to bigger things that she simply couldn’t reach due to her tie with him, as for the ikebana arrangement behind them, the red camellia (tsubaki) historically symbolized a noble death among Japanese warriors and samurai but it also represents love. 17:36 Those stares and that blink has lead many to believe that he understood that his death wouldn’t be in vain, it’d help Toranaga continue playing this facade of accepting becoming a loser and, alongside that, he figured that he’d die sooner or later anyways, so, why not show loyalty to him until his dying breath as well as helping his lord achieve his goals whilst simultaneously teaching his son a lesson in humility? The acting from every single member of this cast has been stellar and they deserve countless awards for their work.
Also the language mariko used with buntaro is much harsher than her usual polite words like 'Omae-sama' which is supposed to be disrespectful. (I think)
Ohh, I thought Mariko roasted Buntaro with "you kept my freedom from me" which, in hindsight, was a Western thing to say Your explanation makes more sense now
@@RagPen01 she might have said that, i'm not that fluent in Japanese so im mostly following the subtitles, i just happened to catch few words that implied the harshness in her tone. She's still keeping the polite format while being very blunt.
Highlight episode of the season imo. The underlying theme of “what is loyalty?” being asked and answered by every member of the cast was such an amazing way to characterize them all.
@@TKDave13 I literally couldn't think I literally went into an autopilot mode my mouth was jarred open for like 2 minutes straight cause I couldn't believe it 💯
When Hiromatsu suggested doing Crimson Sky a couple of episodes ago, Toranaga said that it was "a pointless death." When Hiromatsu's eyes opened wide and said "So you do believe in pointless death." the 'in' was underlined emphasizing what Toranaga called Crimson Sky as "a pointless death.' The old man got clued in by Toranaga that Crimson Sky was on. So he had to stop the generals and sell Toranaga's keyfabe in order for Crimson Sky to get started.
I have to say the camera work this episode was outstanding, especially during the confrontation between Toranaga and Hiromatsu. It really amplified the intensity and emotions of that whole scene, alongside the amazing acting of course
I think Hiromatsu read the room and saw that there was a bunch of dissent in the room and he knew taht everyone needed to step behind Toranaga and follow his plan. It wasn't part of the original plan for Hiromatsu to kill himself but in his last moments he saw that he needed to make everyone scared of defying Toranaga and that by killing himself they wont dissent. And Toranga and his eyes wee looks and secret code like he knows what he's donig and he is going to lose his best friend. In the previous episode he said winning this war is costing him a lot. And in that moment he realized that its costing him is only and best friend to keep the plan ging straight.
If this is what Red Sky is, no wonder Toranaga was so hesitant to do it. He has to make himself look so incredibly low, that he's believably lost the battle. He has to even be willing to let his comrades die to properly ambush all his enemies.
Oficially the Crimson Sky plan is the all out attack upon Osaka. The preparation for it, however, are this because if he attack the capital without proper reasons, even if Ishido is defeated, the entirety of Japan would turn their blade toward his head as a usurper.
I am impressed with how they show the intensity and gravity of Seppuku. Every now and then we hear about it in anime, movies, and shows as some honorable suicide and death. But seeing others around the person also feeling how horrifying the act is shows the weight of such a decision.
Google Translate: An important relative of the person committing seppuku, or a person who is excellent in swordsmanship, is chosen to assist in seppuku. The act of cutting one's head in seppuku is not a cruel act, but an act of compassion that relieves suffering. When Japan was defeated in World War II, Takijirou Onishi, the commander who invented the kamikaze attack force, committed seppuku instead of surrendering to the Allied forces. To atone for the sin of leading his subordinates to death. He refused kaishaku (assisted decapitation), committed seppuku, and died after suffering for more than ten hours. Many other generals also committed seppuku.
For those wondering. There is a poetry battle jam thing Japan has. My gf used to do it with one of her friends. So yes they do be spitting bars and it seems Mariko is Tupac on this show.
Mariko also knows how Toranaga doesn't like others to let him win in anything. (like the swimming). So she wasn't gonna go easy on him despite the tragedies he's been going through.
This story is as true to the actual story as possible. The person who assists the seppuku is chosen to be a relative who is important to the person committing seppuku, or a person who is skilled in the art of swordsmanship. The act of cutting off the head in seppuku is not an act of cruelty, but an act of compassion to relieve suffering.
That switch up from Lady Ochiba as she watched the Old biddy die. She was like, welp, thats one section of the 8-fold fence we can finally stop hiding. 😈
@@Echidonadonut69 you see her face instantly switch from tearful and sad back to stoic and unfazed. As if she was finally done with having to pretend, and show her true feelings because that lady had really treated her like shit.
When you think of episodes that had you tense the entire time, completely unaware of what's gonna happen, this has gotta be up there. This is an all timer in television. The acting was absolutely phenomenal. The directing was perfect
The only thing tipped me off that Hiromatsu's sacrifice was part of the plan was the when Toranaga suddenly blinked with a little force as they were staring each other down and Hiromatsu realized in that moment...I could be totally misreading the scene and it could just be regular blink though lol. Still. So sad, this show's phenomenal
No, the blink was the sign for Hiromatsu. Remember that they're old friends. They know each other better than anyone else. Hiromatsu was a G. Mad respect.
Great episode! Toranaga sacrificed his bishop (Hiromatsu) to advance his moves. This is a magnificent 3d chess game. Episode 9 is another shocking move by Toranaga
Hiromatsu sacrificing his life wasn't apart of the original plan. Toranaga needed his 3 generals to pledge their loyalty/allegiance on paper so that the plan could continue. But he also had already suspected that he was losing them so when they ultimately spoke out against him and were prepared to revolt against him, it confirmed his suspicion which also put his plan in jeopardy. Hiromatsu reading the room, acts quickly and makes the ultimate sacrifice to ensure the plan continues. Toranaga doesn't lose his 3 generals and the idea/image that Toranaga is completely "defeated" is cemented so that Crimson Sky can truly commence.
Dude the subtlety of the blink on 17:38 and him realizing the lords plan instantly. The determination in his eyes were still there. He knew he had to make the surrender look as real as possible, and he did by giving his life to the cause. Fucking amazing acting.
Great episode. Thematically it also mirrors the story arc of what happened between Blackthorne and his gardener. The servant has to die in order to make their master see reason. Only in Toranaga's case, he only put on a deception to fool everyone in Osaka and that meant fooling his retainers as well, otherwise the spies would uncover his true intentions eventually. Toda either guesses this or still didn't know, but he framed his seppuku in a way such that only he died right then, thus saving all the other retainers who Toranaga would definitely need later. Show's great, makes you think about the characters' motivations.
I imagine its happened several times, sometimes its not edited out on his patreon video. Pretty sure it happened during the end of EEAAO iirc dude giving us his pure reaction, respect
Now this episode clarifies what Lady Gin was saying, when Tsuji was telling him about what happened in Osaka he said his spies had reported all those. Meaning he would have fallen into his brother’s trap 😊.
The whole episode you see Torunaga being assisted by someone to stand or walk; that last part showed him getting up and walking with no assistance - so yeah, it was a ruse. And I think Hiromatsu's act at the end is a slap to Blackthorne's statement to Mariko - that sometimes, loyalty IS suicide.
Oh my days I can’t believe how long you guys went being quite and finally be in your feels without the annoying hysterical laughter from mostly lupa Didn’t think I’d live to see the day Love ❤️ you tho
Omi addresses Yabushigge informally, just calling him Uncle instead of Lord, like he did when they first met. Yabu even responds to it right away "What do you want?!" instead of being offended by it. He's acknowledging his opinion and letting him speak his mind, seeing his nephew's got game. I think Hiromatsu and Nagakado's deaths have shook Omi. He's realizing that he's in over his head, his young dumb ambitions meeting reality. He's genuinely worried about his uncle not only as his patron protector, but as his few remaining family members.
Hiromatsu's death was one of the craziest scenes I've seen in recent years. It does show how strong is japanese culture and how far their customs about loyalty go.
I think the subterfuge is easier to see, if you think about the world they live in. Toronaga has spies everywhere feeding him information, so he knows that his enemies do as well, watching everything that happens in Edo and then reporting back to Osaka. Toronaga is a feared because of his intellect and his bloodline, so when they hear word the he is going to give up without a fight, no one in their right mind would think of it as anything other than a ploy. Toronaga knowing this pretends to act sickly and not attend his own sons funeral because of it knowing that word would get back to them giving some weight to the claim he would surrender. Toronage then brings all his vassals to pledge their loyalty knowing that some of them wouldn't and was absolutely ready to sacrifice a few of them to prove unconditionally that he plans to surrender. At the meeting when these things start to develop Hiromatzu immediately understands the ploy and offered himself instead knowing that his sacrifice being his best friend and mentor for decades would cement toronagas plans and that this would be the best way he can serve his lord in his mind. As for the Subbuku and seconding in general, its not a disrespect to be asked to second, it would be considered a great honour and would generally be performed by a loved one or someone who you deeply respect. The idea is to open your belly to show that you yourself would be willing to die for your belief, honour, dishonour etc. and your second would end your suffering as a mark of respect. You are not required to have a second and many chose not to and would just bleed their guts out on the floor in agony, but that kinda ruins the mood so wasn't often done.
Sheera being a woman will give her own perspective to the marriage between buntaro and mariko while roshi’s own would be different and as a man I agree with roshi. Sheera is ignoring the fact that she started this whole issue by icing buntaro for years which then made him maltreat her, it was a bad response to the icing and so let’s not just put the blame on one person like sheera’s doing.
Yeah, I totally agree and I'm a woman. I feel like she could have acted more maturely and at least should have tried to give him a chance and are we forgetting the fact that she pretends to believe in god and considers herself to be a Christian but still cheats on her husband and wants to die everyday? This makes her such a big hypocrite honestly. Her character is actually annoying to me and I can't believe how this story has made me sympathize with an abusive man over her... I don't think just because you're a woman you should take another woman's side but that's what most people do unfortunately!
This was amazing. He had to trick even his allies to trick his enemies. And furthermor even the viewers like: "Is he surrendering? Nah. Its a play. Is it though? He Has to be cooking. Oh shit, he really is!" Wait no he's not.
Love your guy's reactions, I deeply enjoy them. You guys really need to watch a show called "The Curse" with Nathan Fielder and Emma Stone. The ending to this show is insane, trust me
Imagine being servants on the cleanup crew for these big meetings never knowing if you’re just gonna bus some empty tea cups and half burned incense or if you’re gonna have to clean up a bloody suicide and beheading.
I truly do love this show, with that said, Toranaga has me stressing. Trying to figure out his plan, with me doubting myself everytime I think I know what he's doing
Man ppl hating on Buntaro but that had an ice queen who he loved, had a child with but she still preferred death instead of living for her family that little bit of happiness.
The only ppl that know what's going on is toranaga and Mariko. He had to let his best friend die in order to continue putting on a facade. It's fucked up but there was nothing he could do
There's actually people taking the side of the abuser or even saying that Buntaro and Mariko are equally to blame. Seriously? "Oh but she was icing him" "Her fault for not giving the relationship a chance". Some of y'all are a walking red flag.
I'm there with you. Like, sure she wasn't crazy about being with a preselected husband and wasn't happy her entire family is dead... so she deserved to be beaten??
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Buntaro had to second his dad after suffering that kind of rejection from his wife. It was NOT his day, man.
served him right
The Dad seppeku was tough. Mariko gave him exactly what he deserved though.
The thing with mariko, he definitely deserves that from her. Being forced to kill his father, I feel bad for him in that situation
I love the swerve from the dad, in the end he empathized with Mariko. He told Buntaro, nah you are going to feel the same thing you forced Mariko to endure all this time. Wanting to die but being bound by duty to live. This is why she dont love you bro.
THE THING is sometimes I fell Mariko was ass to him since the beginning of their marriage because of her family situation, and she kind of made him insecure that he is not up to her level, which I think made him treat her like trash, I am not saying it is an excuse, but back then he had a reason for it and can't say it out loud because it would be pettiness to say my wife doesn't love me right? He is a tragic character ngl@@tink6225
Toranaga had to lose a general to further cement the idea of his defeat.
However 3 generals raised their voice in defiance, it is within this moment that Hiromatsu took the decisive step to sacrifice his life for Toranaga’s cause. Saving Toranaga from losing 3 generals and also fooling Osaka into believing Toranaga’s march to defeat is real.
Id rather lose 3 generals that can't follow orders than my best general....
hiro's a real one
@@t500010000 bro even if the order is to follow him to death in Osaka?
Hiromatsu said in the first episode how much he hates Osaka. And thus chose his place of death outside of Osaka.
@@bentucky4324 I don't know the battle plan, but it seems if the generals followed orders and let Toranaga act defeated because of his son and marched to "surrender" they would have 4 generals instead of 3 cowards. Hiromatsu I think gave Toranaga a perfect performance to act defeated while keeping most of his army, I'm guessing those generals must have a good amount of men who would have also rebelled. So you do believe in pointless deaths...
@@t500010000 3 cowards? They were all about to do what Hiromatsu did as you can tell from them reaching for their own blades. Hiromatsu spoke out and made it about himself so that Toranaga would have 3 generals instead of 1 old one.
Nah Hiromatsu going out like that was pure pain for them both. Going that far for a plan takes insane resolve. RIP my dawg
The way Toranaga's actor's face looks just kills me every time. And when his voice quivers when talking to Mariko 😩 my heart
The ultimate friend. Killing himself so the plan would succeed
@@bombomos Big Boss x Ocelot moment
Notice that Hiromatsu said "Do not give up on our lord. Even when it appears he has given up on himself." The key word there is "appears." Hiromatsu was telling Buntaro that this was part of a deception, and also saying that he was willingly playing his part.
Buntaro never understood that Mariko was asking for death as something for herself. She was grieving her family behind her "fence" but she was duty bound so she never was free. Him offering they seppeku together defeats the purpose of her truly doing the act for herself for her own relief.
She was married by her father. In the context of feudal Japan, taking it out on the husband is not fair nor smart, just goes to show her true character that escapes most people.
@@enginaliosman4491 Her family was murdered and her name disgraced. She was grieving but still dutiful and honorable. Buntaro's own father felt for Mariko and told him he couldn't kill himself so he could feel what he had done to Mariko all those years. She served Toranaga loyally. She was respected and cherished by everyone but her husband.
@@JazzyBelle611 Are we watching the same show? I guess not, or there are too many nuances and details, in contrast to every character that we eventually end up picking what fits us and side with that side of reality. Picky loyalty is what she had, giving it up to a barbarian shortly after her husband has been left behind to die is not respectable nor cherishable. Her family was killed because her father committed a grave act of treason. If you are able to abstract your opinion of Mariko from the great performance of Anna Sawai, there is nothing honorable about her, as she is ultimately a prideful, selfish hypocrite at best. As the father, so the daughter.
@@JazzyBelle611 What his own father did to Buntaro is exactly what Buntaro did to Mariko, true, but it's what everyone does with their loved one, keeping them alive, not giving permission for their death because it's selfish. They have a child together? Hello?
@@JazzyBelle611 Everybody seems to think the husband knew that she was seeking death to escape him, despite the whole reveal of her wish being in the episode that she explains the eightfold fence. When she would ask him to kill herself she presented it as doing it so she could do it for her family that she lost. Of course she wouldn't tell him to his face "I want to kill myself because I hate being stuck to you." so every time he denied it he thought he was doing her a mercy by telling her to live and hopefully with time she would come to forgive herself for what happened with her family. It wasn't until the tea ceremony that she finally told him and he understood why she wanted to kill herself. It wasn't because she wanted death she wanted to be away from him. Despite not knowing this though it's clear Mariko was cold to him during the marriage. In small hints you can see it where he walks in on her laughing with their child and then instantly turns to ice. He's unforgiveable for being an abuser but he was pushed into it by her constant ice routine. She thought herself better than him and even lamented to her friend why did her father choose someone so bad for her to marry and that probably leaked through into their interactions which caused him to crash out and react by taking it out on her. Again, it's obvious and plain as day that the husband had no idea that by denying her death he wasn't saving her or offering her a mercy. He was unknowingly being a villain in everybody's eyes by forcing her to live her life chained to him.
The seppuku wasn't prearranged, but the generals were rebelling and putting the plan in jeopardy with their resistance. Hiromatsu didn't know what the plan was, but he did know there was one, and if Toranaga keeps insisting he's surrendering, then Hiromatsu knows its important to the plan. As Toranaga's #1 guy, he can't allow things to get derailed by this sudden resistance...so he pulls the seppuku card in order to stop everyone in their tracks. Once that happened, both of them know that Toranaga has to stick to his guns, and Hiromatsu has to go through with it. It was already decided (figuratively speaking) the moment Hiromatsu made the threat. The moment was so emotional between them because they were suddenly saying goodbye after all this time, with no other good options. So, what looks like Hiromatsu taking a stand against Toranaga is really him making the ultimate sacrifice to ensure Toranaga's plan will work.
There was a silent exchange between the two during the seppuku scene.
Hiromatsu said
”Use my life to deceive the enemy.
If you reject my admonition and order me to commit seppuku, my chief vassal, then Ishidou will surely believe in your surrender."
Toranaga is faced with a difficult choice by Hiromatsu.
Should he lose the life of his most trusted vassal here?
But he knew that this method would surely deceive Ishidou.
Thank you
Tea ceremony context from my rusty knowledge about the subject: entering that room makes them become equals and Buntaro has to humble himself by literally lowering himself in the process (that’s why the room is so small), no matter how high above her he is, part of the ceremony revolves around that notion, when Mariko spins the bowl, it’s because she is offering the prettiest side of it towards him, showing both respect and, if not love, appreciation both for his skills and for his gesture, as for her rejection, part of it is the mistreatment, yes, but it’s also the fact that she is from a lineage that’s far above him, so, when she said the life thing, it’s because she aspired to bigger things that she simply couldn’t reach due to her tie with him, as for the ikebana arrangement behind them, the red camellia (tsubaki) historically symbolized a noble death among Japanese warriors and samurai but it also represents love.
17:36
Those stares and that blink has lead many to believe that he understood that his death wouldn’t be in vain, it’d help Toranaga continue playing this facade of accepting becoming a loser and, alongside that, he figured that he’d die sooner or later anyways, so, why not show loyalty to him until his dying breath as well as helping his lord achieve his goals whilst simultaneously teaching his son a lesson in humility?
The acting from every single member of this cast has been stellar and they deserve countless awards for their work.
wow thank you for your insight, that context makes understanding the scene so much more beautiful. cheers
This was an absolutely fantastic comment 🔥👌🏽🔥
Also the language mariko used with buntaro is much harsher than her usual polite words like 'Omae-sama' which is supposed to be disrespectful. (I think)
Ohh, I thought Mariko roasted Buntaro with "you kept my freedom from me" which, in hindsight, was a Western thing to say
Your explanation makes more sense now
@@RagPen01 she might have said that, i'm not that fluent in Japanese so im mostly following the subtitles, i just happened to catch few words that implied the harshness in her tone. She's still keeping the polite format while being very blunt.
Highlight episode of the season imo. The underlying theme of “what is loyalty?” being asked and answered by every member of the cast was such an amazing way to characterize them all.
Toranaga really sent his 3 most chaotic pawns for ishido to deal with 😂
The next episode gonna have you questioning your life decisions 🤣😭
I can't wait for them to post the reaction!
😂😂😂😂😂
Man, I think I stopped breathing during "that" scene
@@TKDave13 I literally couldn't think I literally went into an autopilot mode my mouth was jarred open for like 2 minutes straight cause I couldn't believe it 💯
@@TKDave13 frr my head hurts after that lmao
When Hiromatsu suggested doing Crimson Sky a couple of episodes ago, Toranaga said that it was "a pointless death."
When Hiromatsu's eyes opened wide and said "So you do believe in pointless death." the 'in' was underlined emphasizing what Toranaga called Crimson Sky as "a pointless death.'
The old man got clued in by Toranaga that Crimson Sky was on. So he had to stop the generals and sell Toranaga's keyfabe in order for Crimson Sky to get started.
oh my fucking god , bruhhhh that is crazy
very good.
Bro blew my mind with this one
14:20 Gotta say, Toranaga did them dirty. The courtesans deserve a better class of neighbor. 😂
What an emotionally rich and powerful scene! The music, dialogue, the palpable tension brought about by the actors... Beautiful. Hiromatsu is MVP
I have to say the camera work this episode was outstanding, especially during the confrontation between Toranaga and Hiromatsu. It really amplified the intensity and emotions of that whole scene, alongside the amazing acting of course
I think Hiromatsu read the room and saw that there was a bunch of dissent in the room and he knew taht everyone needed to step behind Toranaga and follow his plan. It wasn't part of the original plan for Hiromatsu to kill himself but in his last moments he saw that he needed to make everyone scared of defying Toranaga and that by killing himself they wont dissent. And Toranga and his eyes wee looks and secret code like he knows what he's donig and he is going to lose his best friend. In the previous episode he said winning this war is costing him a lot. And in that moment he realized that its costing him is only and best friend to keep the plan ging straight.
If this is what Red Sky is, no wonder Toranaga was so hesitant to do it.
He has to make himself look so incredibly low, that he's believably lost the battle. He has to even be willing to let his comrades die to properly ambush all his enemies.
Oficially the Crimson Sky plan is the all out attack upon Osaka. The preparation for it, however, are this because if he attack the capital without proper reasons, even if Ishido is defeated, the entirety of Japan would turn their blade toward his head as a usurper.
I am impressed with how they show the intensity and gravity of Seppuku. Every now and then we hear about it in anime, movies, and shows as some honorable suicide and death. But seeing others around the person also feeling how horrifying the act is shows the weight of such a decision.
mariko never gave the marriage a chance as she said his family is below her
She was cold to him and he was abusive, pretty sure she's flirting with priest too
@@t500010000there was never the slightest hint of flirtation with the priest wtf.
@@t500010000 Her relationship to the father was him guiding her under the teachings of God. It wasn’t anything romantic.
@@t500010000Father Alvito ain't no simp
@@t500010000 no, but the priest does have a feeling towards her but it's just one sided shi. Mariko only loves Anjin.
切腹の介錯(補助)には、切腹する人にとって大切な親族、刀術に優れた人が選ばれます。
切腹で首を切る行為は残酷な行為ではなく、苦しみから解放する慈愛の行為です
第二次世界大戦で日本が敗戦したとき、神風特攻隊を考案した指揮官の大西瀧治郎(oonishi takijirou)は連合軍に降伏せずに切腹をしました。
部下を死に導いた罪を償うためです。
彼は介錯(補助の首切り)を拒否して切腹して、十数時間苦しんで死にました。
他にも多くの将官が切腹しました。
ご説明いただきありがとうございます。切腹や介錯など、国外には馴染みがないので繊細なニュアンスを理解するのは難しいですよね。このように解説いただくことで「あぁ、そういうことか」と色々な方の理解が深まることでしょう🙆♀️
Google Translate:
An important relative of the person committing seppuku, or a person who is excellent in swordsmanship, is chosen to assist in seppuku.
The act of cutting one's head in seppuku is not a cruel act, but an act of compassion that relieves suffering.
When Japan was defeated in World War II, Takijirou Onishi, the commander who invented the kamikaze attack force, committed seppuku instead of surrendering to the Allied forces.
To atone for the sin of leading his subordinates to death.
He refused kaishaku (assisted decapitation), committed seppuku, and died after suffering for more than ten hours.
Many other generals also committed seppuku.
I wouldn't have trusted anyone else in the room except my son, obviously Toranaga can't do it 😆
Toranaga-sama is a grandmaster chess player. Hiromatsu was one of his most important pieces on the board: sacrificed for victory.
For those wondering. There is a poetry battle jam thing Japan has. My gf used to do it with one of her friends. So yes they do be spitting bars and it seems Mariko is Tupac on this show.
Mariko also knows how Toranaga doesn't like others to let him win in anything. (like the swimming). So she wasn't gonna go easy on him despite the tragedies he's been going through.
This story is as true to the actual story as possible.
The person who assists the seppuku is chosen to be a relative who is important to the person committing seppuku, or a person who is skilled in the art of swordsmanship.
The act of cutting off the head in seppuku is not an act of cruelty, but an act of compassion to relieve suffering.
That switch up from Lady Ochiba as she watched the Old biddy die. She was like, welp, thats one section of the 8-fold fence we can finally stop hiding. 😈
Wdym?
@@Echidonadonut69 you see her face instantly switch from tearful and sad back to stoic and unfazed. As if she was finally done with having to pretend, and show her true feelings because that lady had really treated her like shit.
When you think of episodes that had you tense the entire time, completely unaware of what's gonna happen, this has gotta be up there.
This is an all timer in television. The acting was absolutely phenomenal. The directing was perfect
Omi got my attention now. The performance was insane! Man got acting skill!
This episode genuinely gave me flashbacks of Game of Thrones season 4, it's so peak
Yep, he was not sick, just faked it.
Hiromatsu knew his duty very well💔 a real one🫡
Toranaga: Do you disagree with what happened today?
Viewers: Well, yeah! What kind of stupid question is that?!
One thing you can say about Hiromatsu…he had some guts, huh?
Wow 😂
no pun intended?
Man this episode was such a ride. I was hyped to see the Roshi crew's reaction to this one
As Japanese, I'm deeply moved by the fact that Japanese directors are earnestly creating historical dramas about Japan for international audiences.🙇
You think this is a Japanese show??
The only thing tipped me off that Hiromatsu's sacrifice was part of the plan was the when Toranaga suddenly blinked with a little force as they were staring each other down and Hiromatsu realized in that moment...I could be totally misreading the scene and it could just be regular blink though lol. Still. So sad, this show's phenomenal
I think that blink told him that he has a plan in place
No, the blink was the sign for Hiromatsu. Remember that they're old friends. They know each other better than anyone else. Hiromatsu was a G. Mad respect.
Imagine Toranaga faking his sickness for a bigger picture and be like ´´oh fuck I forgot to cough for 8 minutes´´
Great episode!
Toranaga sacrificed his bishop (Hiromatsu) to advance his moves. This is a magnificent 3d chess game. Episode 9 is another shocking move by Toranaga
Buntaro is so Delulu like.. "We were happy.." 😩🥴😂
Torunaga makes Palpatine look like Jar Jar Binks when it comes to scheming
This episode should be renamed to "Stand on Business!"
Hiromatsu sacrificing his life wasn't apart of the original plan. Toranaga needed his 3 generals to pledge their loyalty/allegiance on paper so that the plan could continue. But he also had already suspected that he was losing them so when they ultimately spoke out against him and were prepared to revolt against him, it confirmed his suspicion which also put his plan in jeopardy. Hiromatsu reading the room, acts quickly and makes the ultimate sacrifice to ensure the plan continues. Toranaga doesn't lose his 3 generals and the idea/image that Toranaga is completely "defeated" is cemented so that Crimson Sky can truly commence.
Toranaga is already "Shogūn", this man is a savage 4D chess player.
Dude the subtlety of the blink on 17:38 and him realizing the lords plan instantly. The determination in his eyes were still there. He knew he had to make the surrender look as real as possible, and he did by giving his life to the cause.
Fucking amazing acting.
That was the single most powerful episode in television I’ve ever seen.
This show just continues to get so much better
Buntaro is the real hero of this show, to keep going after all this!
Buntaro got what he deserved.
what even makes u say that lmao
Great episode. Thematically it also mirrors the story arc of what happened between Blackthorne and his gardener. The servant has to die in order to make their master see reason. Only in Toranaga's case, he only put on a deception to fool everyone in Osaka and that meant fooling his retainers as well, otherwise the spies would uncover his true intentions eventually. Toda either guesses this or still didn't know, but he framed his seppuku in a way such that only he died right then, thus saving all the other retainers who Toranaga would definitely need later. Show's great, makes you think about the characters' motivations.
Did.. did i just saw Roshi tears?????? My mennnnnnn
He's cried quite a cew times lol
I imagine its happened several times, sometimes its not edited out on his patreon video. Pretty sure it happened during the end of EEAAO iirc
dude giving us his pure reaction, respect
He had to do one more loyalty flush before marching on Osaka, while setting up a charade of defeat
hiromatsu knew exactly what lord tora was on . THATS WHY HE SAID STAY ALIVE TO HIS SON
The reason he had his vassals commit suicide was to deceive his enemie that he had already surrendered.
Now this episode clarifies what Lady Gin was saying, when Tsuji was telling him about what happened in Osaka he said his spies had reported all those. Meaning he would have fallen into his brother’s trap 😊.
I can't be mad at Buntaro the guy is the strongest in there and could have anything he wants but have to live in misery.
Deepest character so far.
She literally asked Toranaga for death but then said I'd live a thousand years...
One of the best of the year so far 👏
The whole episode you see Torunaga being assisted by someone to stand or walk; that last part showed him getting up and walking with no assistance - so yeah, it was a ruse.
And I think Hiromatsu's act at the end is a slap to Blackthorne's statement to Mariko - that sometimes, loyalty IS suicide.
8:03 reminds me of that whole podcast meme "if I'm going to die, my man's going to die with me" 😂
If this was yall reaction can't wait to see what next episode would bring
For some reason I've been putting off watching episode 9 before after this reaction, I'ma have to watch it immediately
you good after episode 9? 👀
u guys ain't ready for episode 9
Hiromatsu is a real one
Damn man, how can it get worse than this
Episode 9: Watch this
“To deceive your enemy, you have to deceive your friend first.”
Oh my days
I can’t believe how long you guys went being quite and finally be in your feels without the annoying hysterical laughter from mostly lupa
Didn’t think I’d live to see the day
Love ❤️ you tho
Hiromatsu a real one, rip homie
Omi addresses Yabushigge informally, just calling him Uncle instead of Lord, like he did when they first met. Yabu even responds to it right away "What do you want?!" instead of being offended by it. He's acknowledging his opinion and letting him speak his mind, seeing his nephew's got game. I think Hiromatsu and Nagakado's deaths have shook Omi. He's realizing that he's in over his head, his young dumb ambitions meeting reality. He's genuinely worried about his uncle not only as his patron protector, but as his few remaining family members.
Hiromatsu's death was one of the craziest scenes I've seen in recent years. It does show how strong is japanese culture and how far their customs about loyalty go.
Hiromatsu's sacrifice is aka in chess a queen sacrifice. You don't do this unless you know you have victory at the tip of your fingers.
Yall better than me cause I woulda paused this shit quick as hell to take a break, I couldn’t deal with it
If I was Buntaro and Mariko dropped that legendary, god tier destruction on me in the tea room? Seppuku on the spot
😂😂😂😂😂
Lord Toranaga would be a killer if his character was in Game of Thrones. These damn plots n tricks got me, and I'm actively watching
Toranaga sipping that Aizen tea😈
素晴らしいリアクションでした。
この回は悲しかったですよね😢
7:18 7:39 Deja vu
The crash out kid is low key a fire title 😂😂😂
Let's go! Another banger reaction from the OG!🔥✨
I think the subterfuge is easier to see, if you think about the world they live in. Toronaga has spies everywhere feeding him information, so he knows that his enemies do as well, watching everything that happens in Edo and then reporting back to Osaka.
Toronaga is a feared because of his intellect and his bloodline, so when they hear word the he is going to give up without a fight, no one in their right mind would think of it as anything other than a ploy. Toronaga knowing this pretends to act sickly and not attend his own sons funeral because of it knowing that word would get back to them giving some weight to the claim he would surrender.
Toronage then brings all his vassals to pledge their loyalty knowing that some of them wouldn't and was absolutely ready to sacrifice a few of them to prove unconditionally that he plans to surrender. At the meeting when these things start to develop Hiromatzu immediately understands the ploy and offered himself instead knowing that his sacrifice being his best friend and mentor for decades would cement toronagas plans and that this would be the best way he can serve his lord in his mind.
As for the Subbuku and seconding in general, its not a disrespect to be asked to second, it would be considered a great honour and would generally be performed by a loved one or someone who you deeply respect. The idea is to open your belly to show that you yourself would be willing to die for your belief, honour, dishonour etc. and your second would end your suffering as a mark of respect. You are not required to have a second and many chose not to and would just bleed their guts out on the floor in agony, but that kinda ruins the mood so wasn't often done.
Sheera being a woman will give her own perspective to the marriage between buntaro and mariko while roshi’s own would be different and as a man I agree with roshi. Sheera is ignoring the fact that she started this whole issue by icing buntaro for years which then made him maltreat her, it was a bad response to the icing and so let’s not just put the blame on one person like sheera’s doing.
Yeah, I totally agree and I'm a woman. I feel like she could have acted more maturely and at least should have tried to give him a chance and are we forgetting the fact that she pretends to believe in god and considers herself to be a Christian but still cheats on her husband and wants to die everyday? This makes her such a big hypocrite honestly.
Her character is actually annoying to me and I can't believe how this story has made me sympathize with an abusive man over her...
I don't think just because you're a woman you should take another woman's side but that's what most people do unfortunately!
Homie be playing 3d chess back when checkers wasn't invented
This was amazing. He had to trick even his allies to trick his enemies. And furthermor even the viewers like:
"Is he surrendering?
Nah. Its a play.
Is it though?
He Has to be cooking.
Oh shit, he really is!"
Wait no he's not.
it didn't take me till the last episode that even this was part of the play.. all of it.. 😭
This series singlehandedly reignited my weeb phase
Love your guy's reactions, I deeply enjoy them. You guys really need to watch a show called "The Curse" with Nathan Fielder and Emma Stone. The ending to this show is insane, trust me
Nothing beats the Yabushige and Blackthorne Duo. Giving Todo and Yuji vibes fr
Imagine being servants on the cleanup crew for these big meetings never knowing if you’re just gonna bus some empty tea cups and half burned incense or if you’re gonna have to clean up a bloody suicide and beheading.
As a guy who went to church that's right next to a dozen strip clubs
The priests can spin that
YOURE WATCHING THE DANGERS IN MY HEART! LETSSS GOOOOOO
Yeah this show is mad peak!💪🏾🫶🏾🙌🏾✨🔥
I truly do love this show, with that said, Toranaga has me stressing. Trying to figure out his plan, with me doubting myself everytime I think I know what he's doing
I can’t wait for y’all to see the next episode! The finale is about to be craaaaaazy!
This show is essentially Tokugawa Ieyasu’s rise and its depicted extremely well!!
I also cried during that scene.😭😭😭
This episode was rough.
Man ppl hating on Buntaro but that had an ice queen who he loved, had a child with but she still preferred death instead of living for her family that little bit of happiness.
Toranaga is only pretending to be sick and surrendering. It's a ruse to throw off his enemies. "My lord is known for his trickery."
Toranaga has to hide his true plans from his own men because he knows Ishido has planted spies in his household, but he doesn't know who they are.
Hiromatsu committed suicide to make Ishido think Toranaga is truly broken and defeated.
Rejected by Mariko and seconded his father.
* Sad Buntaro noises *
That was brutal
The only ppl that know what's going on is toranaga and Mariko. He had to let his best friend die in order to continue putting on a facade. It's fucked up but there was nothing he could do
There's actually people taking the side of the abuser or even saying that Buntaro and Mariko are equally to blame. Seriously? "Oh but she was icing him" "Her fault for not giving the relationship a chance". Some of y'all are a walking red flag.
I'm there with you. Like, sure she wasn't crazy about being with a preselected husband and wasn't happy her entire family is dead... so she deserved to be beaten??
Buntaro: pooring out his heart
Sheera: fuck you, sir!
Me: Mmmm hmmm
Is the three body problem reaction video will be release on this channel?
Y'all need to react to 'The First Slam Dunk'. The greatest sports anime movie IMO. Directed by Takehiko Inoue, the GOAT himself. The madman made 3 of the greatest manga ever (Slam Dunk, Vagabond, Real) and directed this masterpiece. He can't miss
Easily the best episode of the show
Torunaga breaking ankles like its and And1 compilation.