Cat home care - sub Q fluids low stress way
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2019
- low stress sub Q fluid treatment for cats. Learn how to use a carrier base for "hands off handling" . Specific tips on using pain relief cream, towels, for calm and comfortable home care
We don't have a line, but have to give 2x 30ml syringes of fluid a day to a very wriggly and uncooperative cat. The numbing cream, container and feliway scent are good ideas, I will give them a try and cross my fingers! Thanks 👍
This is great. I think this is the only video I've found that shows the use of the numbing cream. Personally I've never had to use numbing cream with any of my own cats, but I do know of a couple cats who were very sensitive and who needed that extra bit of care to accept the process.
I did some more research and also I am part of a huge group over 7000 members of cat owners with kidney disease and they do not recommend using this lidocaine cream. And apparently the ASPCA has a warning out about it.
@@dcwatashi Why not?
I used this technique (minus the numbing cream and feliway which weren't necessary in my case) with my fussy cat today and it worked perfectly!!! Before we were giving him his subcutaneous fluids using the "cat burrito" towel method while my brother held him very tightly on his lap, per our vet instructions. But our cat would always get super agitated, it'd take us many tries to finally be able to securely restrain him and keep him still, and often he was able to jump away in the middle of the procedure, which wasted time, energy, and needles.
I was uncertain at first that this no-stress technique would work with my hyperactive cat, but this was actually the easiest and quickest approach!! :') I placed him on my bed with his favorite blankets, gave him a bowl of wet kibbles for kidney disease and he ate it while I cleaned his fur/skin. Then I tented his skin and went in with the needle while my mom helped by very lightly holding and petting him. We did his fluids application while he was standing up on my bed, without grabbing him, forcing him to lay down on someone's lap or restraining his movements too much. He basically stood still until the 200ml bag was empty :3 he didn't even meow! He wasn't as blissfully distracted as Mr. Oreo here lol, but it was a pretty chill experience both for him and us, his tutors ^^ Thank you so much for this video, it helped us a lot!!! 💖💖
Best fluid instruction I've seen. The box and lidocaine creme - real plus!
I am glad you found this helpful
These videos could be halpful to those with reasonably passive cats. I tried EVERYTHING! Including suspension in a grooming harness to try and administer her fluids. She just would have none of it...bribes, brushing, petting, holding, etc...etc.... Had to take her in for the vet to do it...out the back, under extreme duress. She hated needles and would literally almost go into cardiac arrest from blood tests. I decided that this was not a quality of life, as well as her Hyperthyriodism and related heart condition. Once treatment of her hyperthyroid commenced with transdermal methimazole, her kidney condition was fully unmasked and she shopped eating almost completely and lost so much weight she looked emaciated. The Hyperthyroid became controlled but her kidneys were too far gone and vet administered sub q had no effect whatsoever. It was at this stage I had to make the hardest decision I have ever had to make and have her put to sleep. There are many cats who simply will not tolerate sub q fluids. I wish videos like this would acknowledge that instead of making it all look so easy.
👍Thanks for tip doc!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I don’t need numbing cream to stick with the needle but my cat can only take about 100 cc before becoming uncomfortable and crying so I have to give fluids 4-5x daily instead of the 200 cc 3x a day is needed before follow up labs. I notice this vet doesn’t respond to any comments so far, but am hoping a cat mom or dad can give pointers. The bag of fluids is warmed prior to administration, treats are available (but interest is zilch), I acquired the shorter length 20 gauge needles (they don’t have any smaller) and I have done this many times with a different cat. This cat seems to be very sensitive though, and cries before the needle even touches the skin 😿
How much does your cat weigh? Because it seems like you are giving way too many fluids. She said in the video most cats get 100 mL well that’s not true it’s supposed to be 10 mL per pound of cat. And then you have to watch and see how long does it take for them to absorb those fluids. If it takes more than 4 to 6 hours then that’s too many that’s just too much fluids.
And the Terumo needles are the best they come in 20 gauge 21 gauge 22 gauge 23 gauge for example I’m using the 21 gauge
If your cat has kidney disease I strongly encourage you to first go to a website www.felinecrf.org from there you can join her group on groups.io
There’s over 7000 members of people who are cats with kidney disease and the information that Helen provides on her website is unbelievable.
Even if you don’t have a cat with kidney disease I encourage you to join the group anyway you can prevent a lot of this with the knowledge from the members and from the original website
@@dcwatashiThank you so much for posting this link!
@@ladweeb1798 you are welcome. It is a phenomenal group of very educated cat owners, as well as a few medical professionals, but they do keep a low profile, but you kind of know who they are just by the way they write their answers.
I know this is an old video but I hope someone can offer some advice. My cat has CKD and she will be on Fluids daily, she is very very thin, we are working on that, but she only weighs around 5lbs maybe a little less than and so sticking her with the needle is really hard . I tent her skin and sometime the needle goes in and then out the other side there is just no Fat there. Any advice to me would be so helpful. We have been doing it for two months and she is sick of it, she now puts up a bit of a fight. Not too bad she is a gentle girl but she tries to get away. My husband thinks I should just let her go but she is happy and purring all day, she just need supportive care. My heart goes out to all of you with sick babies and I wish you the best. Thanks so much.
have the vet tech watch you - the needle does not have to go in all the way - just enough to get the opening of the needle into th eskin.
Hello. I use Terumo 20 g needles for my CKD kitty. I find this brand to be easier to poke than others at same gauge size. Hope you and kitty are doing well.
You could use a 23 G butterfly needle. That's what I use. It's smaller/shorter.
Needle is to go in at 45 degrees, NOT 90. I'm going to ask my vet for the Lidocaine cream!
Yes I wondered about that too I thought wait a second 90°? Yes 45 and she forgot to mention that the opening the bevel part of the needle needs to be facing up and she also forgot to mention that you want to warm the fluids. I hate when veterinarians use 18 gauge needles it’s like a harpoon
However I walked away with at least one valuable piece of information and that was that lidocaine cream
@@dcwatashi - any way we look at it, it is hard. I got a lidocaine liquid, and that didn't help either. We finally had to stop. My vet said that was ok, that it was too much stress on Momo, and me. I saw no point in hurting her and making her yip, and me cry. I wish I could explain it to her. How are you doing? Cat or dog? I hope all is well with you. Momo seems to be doing fine right now, altho she has started vomiting, which is a progression of the kidney disease. She is 16 - best dog I've ever had! Thanks for your reply.
@@marianhutchison596 My cat is almost 20 years old and has been on fluids for at least two years. I am going to get the lidocaine cream and keep my fingers crossed. I made a makeshift harness similar to the EZ harness and that worked out OK but I hope it’s not beginners luck.
I hope you are giving your dog Cerenia? It really helps stop the vomiting. It all depends on weight but I get the 24 g pill and I divided into four but my cat only weighs about 7 pounds. And unfortunately there are no coupons for Cerenia. I’m not sure where you live but the best price I found was at my Fred Meyer‘s pharmacy.
You can also try putting the needles in the freezer that also helps numb the pain. And maybe you should get the cream instead of the liquid.
What breed of dog?
@@dcwatashi - Glad to hear back from you. Momo is a Chocolate Chihuahua, and weighs about 4.25 pounds. She is 16 years old. I've had her for about seven years. What is your cat's name? How long have you had him/her? The dang needle is a 22 G x 3/4". Do you need some? I have a brand new, unopened box, that you can have if you want it. There are 100 in the box. I didn't find the lidocaine creame, just a liquid. Never thought to put the needles in the fridge. Maybe I should do that with my diabetes needles! I will look for Cerenia. Thank you for that tip. Wow, you have been doing the fluids for two years?! You are way braver than I am! Momo brings up this nasty white foamy mucus - eww. Some people put food in front of the pet, to eat while being infused. Momo would never go for that. Any ideas on appetite? Momo was eating her Royal Canin Renal diet really well, both dry and wet, but just in the last few days has decided not to eat much. She was diagnosed last December. It's tough, having a sick little bitty! Thanks again for the info, and let me know if I can send you the needles. Oh, we are in Central Ohio.
@@marianhutchison596 Let me know what time you will be on it is 6:30 PM now and I’m going grocery shopping and I’m in the Pacific time zone. If you can somehow leave me your email address but make sure you notify me before you put your email address in this thread so I can quickly grab it and then you can delete it. I have a lot of things to share with you as far as knowledge
The white foam can usually be handled with Cerenia or 1/4 of a tablet of a 10 g Pepcid, regular Pepcid often called famotidine. This is what happens when their stomach is empty for so many hours. Anyway it’s gonna take me probably two hours before I am back because I have absolutely no groceries in the house I will check CZcams when I get home after I disinfect all my groceries lol and we can communicate by email and I can give you more information
Yes I wouldn’t mind having the 22 gauge needles but what are you using or what are you going to use? And the needles need to go in a Ziploc bag in the freezer and then what I do is just before I get him ready I’ll put some crushed ice cubes in a mug and put the bags in the mug so they stay cold while I’m getting everything else organized.
I have had him since he was about four months old