This Chod & Heli Setup WON'T Let You Down in WEED
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- This is a safe and cheap alternative to the heli safe setup.
Fishing traditional chod or helicopter rigs in weed or rocks can be a problem. The classic trick I’m showing in this video, based on a rotten bottom, means you can fish these setups safely without having to drop the lead every time.
⏰ In this video:
00:00 Here's a trick to fish helicopter rigs in week
00:14 Using the Nash heli kit
01:02 Using the Korda heli safe
01:30 Creating a rotten bottom connection for a chod rig
04:03 How far can you cast with a rotten bottom
04:54 The benefits of fishing a rotten bottom
05:39 How to adjust the rotten bottom to your fishing
06:22 How to create a rotten bottom for a helicopter setup
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Thanks very much for the feedback mate!
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I use a very similar method but with the varying strength c clips available. I mostly use semi fixed running rigs as I almost exclusively fish rivers, and again use the same c clips but in heavier poundage to handle up to 8oz grippers but still drop them if snagges
Hi Joe, thanks for sharing. Good to know the C clips are working for you on the rivers, several people have mentioned them. I’ll get round to trying them at some point! Cheers, Matt
Great video Matt, thanks. I wish I'd seen this before investing in a "drop the lead every time" heli kit. 🤦♂
Hi Phil, ah yeah sorry mate. Don’t get me wrong on some waters and in some situations a heli-kit might be the best option but I’d rather try this option first. Cheers, Matt.
Well sound this channel proper chills me out
Brilliant Matt. Thank you.
Thanks very much as always Mark.
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Looking wrapped up there mate were just entering my favourite time of year autumn and winter love a winter sesh all the best mate and thank you for a great video
Yes I was blooming freezing when we filmed that last winter lol. It’s my favourite time of year too. I regularly sleep out even when I don’t have the rods in lol. Glad that you liked the video. Cheers, Matt.
Thanks for the vid glad it's in the normal format
Great to hear mate, we alternate between the 2 formats 😊
Great video thanks Matt!
Great to hear, glad you enjoyed it!
Ideal safe method. Excellent skills and knowledge. Thanks for sharing. This has really educated me further to the safety and wellbeing of the carp and taking the environment into consideration not having to dump weights all the time. Much appreciated. ❤👌👌
Really nice to hear the feedback Michael 👍
@matthewcollinsangler Honestly I'm going to incorporate that into my choddy and helicopter rigs when fishing in really weedy spots ,hopefully if I can avoid then . I will but all the good food is in that weed which holds them up. So it needs to take a visual bait to entice that curious feeding fish? Lol Thanks again mate. 👌👌
@@michaelmarkey2865 I’ve caught loads of carp from weedy waters on nothing more than a standard bottom bait straight out of the bag, usually a dull coloured food bait like Scopex Squid. I don’t worry about bright colours or anything like that. I don't worry about balanced baits either. If they want it, they’ll have it. Worrying about that kind of thing just adds doubt and confusion which is the last thing I need 😊
@@matthewcollinsangler That's fantastic. Much appreciated for you sharing your wealth of knowledge. Much appreciated. Cheers. 😊👌👌
Very good video again Matt . I remember The Governor Kevin Nash coming up with something like this many years ago called a weak link it was on the rig evolution dvd .
Thanks again Matt👏🤛👍
Hi Alan, ah right, I watched loads of fishing DVDs back in the day but I don’t remember that one. It’s no surprise to me that he'd use a trick like this. Proper old school lol. Cheers, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler besides yours it's the best dvd I have ever seen 😂. Jerry Hammond presents it and it's about Kevin's journey in carp fishing . Makes the hairs on your back stand up getting into his story. A must watch Matt take care 👍
Used to used this idea when sea fishing many years ago
That’s where the idea came from 👍
Another Brilliant easy to understand vedio from Matt. I have never heard of or seen this little trick before, it looks great, easy to do & will save me a fortune in leads! Thanks Matt & keep these Brilliant vedios coming 👏 ( I don't suppose you could do a short vedio on how to connect the NASH Chod Ejector Kit? I don't want to sound thick but I can't get my head around how to attach it to my mainline & can't find a tutorial on how to do it!! ) All the best 👍
Sorry think I had a bit of a brain freeze!! I actually meant the Nash Chod Ejector Kit!! 😞
Hi Lawrence, as far as I know, that product is not available any more 🤔 I’ve never even seen one for real so sorry, can’t help this time! Great that you enjoyed the video!
Hi Matt, another great informative video, thanks. I actually use similar with Gardner 'C' clips :-) On another slightly off-topic (sorry i couldnt find a video where you covered the question). I recently did a 48hour catfish trip and using live bait off a dumbell i had a few missed runs. Speaking with other anglers afterwards at the water ALL of them had different advice re striking to hook a fish on a run. Some insisted to wind down sideways, others wind down verticle, some saying strike quickly if an eagle wave and others saying not to strike but to treat the same as if it were a Circle hook. It seems none had the same advice on what is an important point. This does not restrict to live dumbell setups of course as they all differed on when and how the best hook-up should be. Maybe a very worthwhile topic to consider. your advice is always respected. thanks Algy.
Hi mate, yes I’m aware of the C-Clips. I’ve never tried them myself but they are on my list! I'm not really the best person to ask this question as I don’t fish for catfish using traditional catfish methods. I use boilies over a bed of pellets with stepped up carp rigs. For me, dedicated catfish hooks all suffer from the same problem. They aren't sharp! Not when you compare them to hooks from the Nash pinpoint range. If I did want to use live baits for cats, then my starting point would be a chod Twister is a size 2 (it’s the biggest they do) It’s only available in micro barbed so I’d crush the barb. Food for thought perhaps? Cheers, Matt.
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@@matthewcollinsangler many thanks Matt.
Joe totally agree, with C clips you get the same effect without the faf and they do them in different strengths. You can use this "old school" weak link way if you don't have C clips but they are less fiddly and better at doing the same job.
Good to hear the feedback mate, I'll have to give them a go.
Do you ever have problems with leads flying of unintentionally on casting or wherever using these c clips I've seen them for sales and mite try em ?
A good alternative is to cut a section out of a thin black paper clip, form c-clip shape and use this the attach the lead, it keeps the lead attached securely for casting, but in the event of a snag the paperclip material opens quite easily releasing the lead.
Hi Ashley, never thought or heard about this technique before, thanks for sharing, great idea!
@@matthewcollinsangler It was this best I could think up after losing a fish to a snagged lead 🙂
5:24 What is that lead system over here ? It's some sort of a shock effect running system ?
Standard helicopter rigs and chod rigs work great but if the weed is too thick they can also prevent us from landing what we hook. This is where the rotten bottom technique comes in. This method is not new. In fact it has been used in various types of fishing for many years, it’s just been forgotten about and lost in the melee of modern carp angling. I hope this video helps some anglers to (re)discover this little trick! (🔊Links to all the components I use are in the video description)
Watch next: How to create a running rig with a rotten bottom: czcams.com/video/pSjT2wPKtTw/video.html
better use the Korda Heli Safe Lead Release System, best system on the market. and the Heli Safe system is very good not always the lead/stone drops of in lake only when a fish is hooked
And dump lead into lake, when there is no need to in lots of situations. Also the rotten bottom is loads more sleek, and no clutter. Also you don't have to buy any more tackle to achieve the best drop of lead (if needed). Much better in my opinion, and all I would ever use!....
@@matthewcadle7200 i fishing with DIY stones no lead so no problem when its dump in lake, and a stone/lead not always drop off
If you dump the lead on a heli then snap off for whatever reason it's much more dangerous for the carp as that top bead has no resistance from the lead to pull up and off. Just try shaking a heli system to where the top bead flyes off without a lead. Kordas heli safe could mean fish towing leadcore for a while. Not a fan but I get the reasons for it.
What setup would you say is the safest rig setup helicopter or inline running rig thanks
Hi Michael, all rigs can be set up safe and all rigs can be set up in a dangerous manner. The devil really is in the details on this one. What you have to ask yourself is what’s going to happen in the event of a mainline failure and a carp picks up the rig. Personally I don’t use helicopter rigs as they are not appropriate for my fishing. All of the rigs I use are running rigs, be it inline or swivel. Most of my customers use running inline leads. These have proved to be very safe over the long run as the lead is lost very quickly if the line breaks. I talk a bit about this in this video: czcams.com/video/skvyx6cKxCk/video.htmlsi=4m4vjOTbTX7UjaEI
hey sir in 2 days i will go for first time fishing after carp, which food do you recommend to fish on rig?
Wow, how exciting! So, you have several choices. My first choice would be boilies. My second choice would be tiger nuts but these must be properly prepared (I buy mine pre-prepared). If you are looking for a reliable bait that is cheap and readily available everywhere then it would have to be sweet corn. Good luck, Matt.
As the inventor of the first heli release system, the Atomic Chopper Dropper, it's actually quite difficult to break the mono or pull the knots with a carp rod. There's a big clue in the test curve of your rod, then add the stretch of mono. In weed you line can be in a big curve and this also restricts your pull on the weak link. Instead of the light mono, tie on a short length of leadcore, with a spliced loop. Slide the lead on the leadcore, then add a rubber bead - this holds the lead on the retrieve, then add a bit of PVA nugget in the spliced loop. Pull it all down so the PVA nugget is holding everything. You can bang it 200y no problem and it's idiot proof.
Hi James, I hadn’t heard of the Chopper Dropper, thanks. I totally see the logic of your system with leadcore and a bead, it still means you drop the lead every time 🤔 The rotten bottom works for me and my fishing but it’s good to hear about other options out there.
@@matthewcollinsangler no, it doesn't drop the lead every time because the rubber bead grips the leadcore.
@@jamesharrison5004 Ah OK, got it, good option then, thanks for sharing :)
@@matthewcollinsangler depending on how you mount the bead you can get a degree of control over how easy it releases. Through its bored hole less, pierced through the side, more.
The Korda heli safe them boys must be laughing all the way to the bank
Thinking anglers plastic C clips are my choice .
Other people have mentioned them, thanks, I'll have to give them a go 😊
Hi mate. Just got these but the 6lb version. Do the 3lb release on the take?
Them tungsten beads are amazing on the chod the range of tungsten beads from nash is amazing in my opinion no need for putty ever again
Totally agree mate, they have a great tungsten range and I don't use putty any more.
@@matthewcollinsangler they are brilliant many moons ago taska did them and thought it was just a gimmick but now I wouldn't fish without them the tungsten hook beads are the best by far I have used they add weight and never move on the hook would love to see what you do with triggerlink one day
Have you discovered the trick with the Nash hook eye threader for re-using sinkers? I like it because you can recycle and reuse them many times before they wear out.
I have had a bit of a play with Triggalink but I haven't really found a really effective way of using it that I feel makes a really big difference. It’s on my tinkering list though 😉
Never use a quick link,always use a c clip or a heli safe.
Sorry but a leader of any sort fished helicopter style needs the weight of the lead to loose the leader in a break . Loosing the lead leaves the fish trailing the leader
You’re right but this system works because the rotten bottom won’t break until the rig has safely been drawn off the leader (with the right materials and knots for the situation). If for some reason the rig gets snarled up while the mainline is still being drawn through the swivel, the rotten bottom will then break which is better than tethering the carp to the bottom. The carp still has to free itself of the mainline etc. but that’s the case with any helicopter or running rig. It’s why I only ever use barbless hooks. The rotten bottom also breaks if the lead gets stuck when you are trying to reel it in so it's a good option over rocky ground.