This BMW M5 has 85% of a Veyron's Power for 10% the Price - One Take
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2019
- The 2019 F90 BMW M5 is a very fast car, so what is it with another 230HP? It's like skydiving, aiming at the ground, and firing the jet pack. Thanks to some software, we get to find out.
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2018 BMW M5
Weight: ~ 4370lbs.
Price: $102,600+
Engine: 4.4L twin turbo V8 (S63M)
STOCK: 617HP/553LB-FT
0-60: 2.8s (stock)
TUNED (and on 93 Octane): 850HP/740LB-FT
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I’d be in jail in about 3 seconds
zig zak I'll be wrapped around a tree
Yea, if they can catch me first 😂
Ali Daher lol I was gonna say that they’d have to catch you first
T. Wallace 😂😂
2.8
F90 Comp owner here. There’s nothing magical about this tune, there are numerous incredibly talented tuners on this platform, but the fact that they match the warranty allows them to charge what they do. There’s value there but it’s also a vote of confidence in the engine longevity. Essentially they are selling you a $600 tune and a $3000 warranty. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just a different business model.
Stating stock crank HP as 616 (which is Comp pack # btw) is inaccurate as a baseline, they’re wildly understated from the factory, closer to 700 crank HP stock.
All that said, he seems like a nice dude, obviously his company has credentials, and the product works. And all that said, the F90 is a home run from BMW, and truly we are in the golden age of gasoline engines.
Thanks for the video!
Ian same man, I have an f80 and was taken back on the pricing.
Ian I wouldn’t be surprised if pretty soon MHD comes out with an OTS tune that gives you the same amount of power for $300 + the hardware that you can find cheaper and just as high quality as from this company
@@kyleroberts4841 If you look at the cost of an aftermarket powertrain warranty and add it to the cost of a JB4.. this is pretty much where you end up. It's a good product in that way, but if the F90/S63TU4 had reliability concerns, they wouldn't be selling it.
@@AsifLicious I am waiting for BM3 to drop the F90 OTS map as I have a transferable license, but even something like JB4 is just fine. The S63TU4 will run a stage 1 tune all day long with zero issues.
All good info! We quote the crank HP that BMW puts out there, because it's the number we have access to. I love when Edmunds dynos cars like this to find out they're underrated from factory, but I would rather quote an OEM number than take a guess at the actual unreported HP. ZK
I bet you can read what is covered in that amazing warranty in 2.2 seconds.
I'm glad you have the expert that doesnt know how anything in the car actually works...
Qualified Automotive Solutions this is my current issue, the BMW’s are so goddamn fast but nowhere near as good looking as the AMG cars
@Qualified Automotive Solutions He sounds more like a marketing guy than someone who has touched any of the code in that car.
An engine management system written by people who don't know cars/engines/drivetrains wouldn't go very far.
Qualified Automotive Solutions almost $200k for an M5? I think your numbers are a little off, might want to go check what these cars sell for, it’s about 50% less than you stated
@Qualified Automotive Solutions There is nothing SUPER about the chips that goes into the BMW.
I think BMW's look way better than AMG's
Wow, went from professional sounding to saying "pornhub on valentine's" at 2:44
He keeps it interesting.
Keeping you on your toes. ZK
Pornhub is a testament to the entrepreneurial spirit. Mentioning a success story like that highlights my professionalism. ZK
TheSmokingTire An absolute fucking genius.
he's a filthy little minx!
@@TheSmokingTire bhahaha
10:00 The speed just pours, it waterfalls💦.
for a 100K car, the $3700 for an extra 250+ HP would be a no brainer.
so true, is it were n/a could easily cost $3,700 for long tube headers worth 10-30hp.
Lol true
IKR are these prices still real😂. When I click the link for the place it said it's not found maybe it's the government blocking me. 02-23-24
For those interested, Noelle just released a dyno video about their M5. www.noelleperformance.com/f90-m5-chassis-dyno/
693 WHP - and they claim 841 crank.... a loss of over 21%?? LMFAO. What a joke. Not a single independent dyno posted because apparently their warranty statement now reads that dynoing the car will void it.
7:10 Somebody almost had an extremely bad day
Zack! You're killing it! This is your best review yet... keep up the awesome work dude
Some might think the price for this tune is crazy. Knowing it’s backed up with a 4yr/50k mile warranty, it is definitely worth the price.
Ride Catch anything German with a lot of power a warranty is essential especially if your taking that depreciation.
You should've put "for the 10% of the Veyron's price" since you started with percentages:)
BlitzkriegRap instead of reading it as 10% he wants us to read it as a tenth of the price
But 850 is on 93 octane and at the crank. How much at the wheels with regular gas? How much weight?
@@Platypus_Warrior Well it's tuned to run on 93 octane, not regular gas, which in a lot of states you can get at the pump.. and i'd imagine the drivetrain loss is the same if not less then the Veyron, which was also rated at 1000HP crank... so if you want to take 20% drivetrain loss for both.. its still around 85% performance, for 10% cost.. and this weighs substantially less then a Veyron Edit: i looked it up and they both weight around 4,000 pounds, depending on trim
Apples to orangutans it seems like every other tuner is giving us 110% veyron power for 1% cost on the k series.
@@jeffreyrose4240 yes thanks, 20% may be a lot. Usually it's more like 15% power loss, not sure about these kinds of power/transmission.... It's 4wd so maybe 20% us fair. The Veyron is 2Tons (4400pounds) I would have imagined the BMW around 3800. Anyway, numbers matter to me. 850hp crank on 93 when this is not who and not 93 without weight defined, you can imagine just about anything...
It's been over a year, and we've seen ZERO M5's with this tune on an actual dragstrip, or with verified numbers on dragy. What is going on???
7:09 skidmarks? Looks like someone explored the unknown for a bit.
Came here to say that lol, big whoopsie by the look of it, hoping they scrubbed off enough speed to not have launched off of that hill directly ahead.
I want THAT footage haha
Oh man, going back, they def went pretty far. When they are a bit further away from the skidmarks, you can see that they actually DO make it to the hill, I'm 90% sure. Unlucky bugger, never go faster than your skill level justifies haha
No. It looks like someone took off from that spot going in the opposite direction
@@illstplaya Dont think so bud, pretty sure if you pause at 7:10 you can see where the tracks continue in the dirt.
@@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 I thought about that but there's only two skid marks. Which means only two tires caused that. Either front wheel drive or rear wheel drive. The car started spinning its tires on the dirt and continued as it drove onto the street. If the car was about the crash like your scenario, we would see 4 skid marks when the driver panicked and hit the brakes because all four wheels locked up (if it didn't have abs) or we would not see skid marks at all (because the car had abs)
Picked up my new M5 and X7 over the weekend. Couldn't be happier. Can't wait to get pass the break-in period. 😁
Why does Zach look like Dennis from “it’s always sunny in Philadelphia” 💀🤣
I’m sorry I own a f90 m5 and this tune is worth it!!!!! I had jb4 absolutely horrible check engine light every other day car felt laggy throttle response delayed and guys you also have to add noelle performance tunes the trans!!! The trans is a night and day difference. I even said to the owner of noelle performance how can the trans become any better. Car is so much more reliable car makes 740awhp stock! What’s not impressive evolve is making 749awhp with intake and a full exhaust. How isn’t this tune better? Please tell me? I’ve hit 175+mph dogged on the car and guess what zero issues. dme tunning has blown a couple motors I’m confused on how you guys are saying 600 tune? The whole car is tuned from traction to mdm to dsc to computer tech to motor you guys need to read what he’s tuning.
I have the car too new m5 comp I have a jb4 some of the stuff you say is true do you have or did have the tune on?How was it
You did a good job Zack keep it up. Look into the magnaflow catback on your if you haven't yet.
Great product . Any notes on fuel consumption ?
9:29
nearly spit out my coffee laughing @ "these are engineers with phds"
bollocks
I have an engineering PhD, as does my boss. At Boeing, it started me at a level 3 instead of the normal level 1.
Great car. FINALLY figured out where this road is.
Will it run on E 85?
I own one of these cars and to say that this thing is fast is a ridiculous understatement. Unless you actually get to drive one you can’t imagine how much power and speed this M5 possesses. I’ve taken on just about every exotic car and Tesla.If you’re looking for the perfect sleeper then this would be it
Why is their website down and no other videos for it?
What’s wrong with a good ole Dinan Tune?
Woah, I had no idea these things made such big numbers. 👀
Between this modified M5 and Matt's Taycan review, it makes me wonder if automotive offerings are hitting the limit of human capability to safely operate on public roads with their rates of acceleration and natural speeds. And should we be focusing more on handling (straight line and in the twisties), driver experience, ergonomics with a focus on safe operation at speed and fuel economy?
Edit: wow. that F90 looks roughly the size of a 2000 era 740i.
I've seen this car in more aggressive forms but this one is nice af
Can't wait to see what they can do with the G8X platform
how does it stack up against the top tesla
Off topic here but does anyone know where matt and these guys get their non gloss sunglasses
i remember my first ride ever in an e34 M5 back when it was brand new. thought that was the pinnacle of automotive performance. oh boy was I wrong.
That was the pinnacle of reliable performance
willbur 420 agreed its the last reliable M car
You were not wrong
its good to see Zach hitting his stride
I need to see 2.2s 0-60 for myself to believe that..
Troy McClenathan I mean stock competition M5 does it in 2.9 I think ... so modified it could be close to that
Troy McClenathan look at dragy numbers
@@bungholeracing naah there is no stock tires to do that
Quickest m5 on drugy is 2.7s
2.5 I can see but 2.2 idk
Well AC Snitchzer did 0-100kmh in 2.6 secs and it has 700hp so i think that 2.2 with 850 could be done...But not with stock tires
Love the review. You should set up a race on a closed location of course to see which tune is faster between Noelle performance and Carbahn since they make around the same horsepower
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I will be visiting this shop now ...Rad Gains without shock and awe
To me, it's the best and fastest large size super sedan
Looks ... bouncy. Stiff AF Suspensions?
8:30 literally the biggest selling feature. Not the warranty itself but the evidence that the homework was done.
Start in 2nd gear ? No. Even with 850 hp it needs the 1st gear to get that quick. Why ? Because it’s a heavy car and it has awd so traction is not an issue. Same formula that made the gtr so fast on introduction. Power + Short gearing + Awd + Fast shifts = excellent performance.
The difference here is that the M5 has a torque converter automatic, and not a double clutch. So probably is faster in second gear.
Ludwig no absolutely not. It’s a heavy car with awd. A new auto even if with a torque converter can shift faster than a manual. It has 8 speeds which allow for extremely steep first gear ratios giving maximum torque with steep gearing to move a heavy car extremely fast off the line and with 8 speeds the shifts are quick and closely spaced ratios between gears meaning the rpms won’t drop in between gears giving maximum acceleration keeping within its torque/hp curve.
Now if this was a manual z06 with 850hp sure it’s going to spin all day in first gear because 2 tires can’t put the power down. And then the shift to second eats valuable time making it even slower. Starting in second means the torque would be reduced in 2nd.. allowing grip at a slower speed than in first and then would pull to a higher speed given 2nd is longer and you also save the entire shift.
No car is faster in 2nd with awd and a fast shifting transmission.
@@5abivt A torque converter can multiply the torque figures. you can look it up yourself. It dosent mean the car will launch faster in second gear, but it really could. It's a pretty common thing to launch torque converter cars in second gear
No, you get better numbers even on my 535i by launching in 2nd
That livery is mint 🏆
850 seems hella fun for that platform. Cool owner
I'm impressed is it available in europe ????
Where I can buy???
Congratulations
Probably Germany.
Great looking vehicle 👍🏻
Love it. 850 HP in this M5!
That’s alot of fun power
It's not a super computer on tires. Well. if you compare the chips with what they had back in the day maybe.
The title 😂😂 you can make 1000+ horsepower cars for 1/10 of this bmw too
Maybo Vlogs not with a warranty tho
Mario Riccardi yes sir correct
Turbo upgrade! Stage 3, ECU and TCU tunes, high-flow Intake, and catless downpipes gets you 1000HP. Imagine what power you get with forged and titanium internals, built bottom end.
2:42 best analogy ever lol
He sounds so nervous to share his real opinion with the guy. Lol
Could we possibly get an update on the focus rs?
why have a salesman personality in a video like this? IMO, it would be better to see some people who actually know what goes into these CARS.
Devin Don’t have anything positive to say shove it up your ass and go along about your business
The owner didn't want to be in the video, so I asked JK to come along. He arranged the cars that day, and the videos of modded cars are usually better as a conversation. ZK
Great video. But disappointed that they dont do n54.😔😔😔
Does noelle ruin the warranty I want to get this tune done.
Did you not watch the video
2:45 :D oh my
This is so sweet!
Wow this noel guy is awesome
Why You did not test 0-60mph?
Car on warranty.
Good looking Beamer
By far my favorite part of this video so far is that he said that the computer on the M5 has to be busier than the servers of Porn Hub on Valentines day.....that alone was worth my time to watch this video.
Jeez. That’s a quite interior.
As an owner of both an F90 M5 and a McLaren who runs these same roads on weekends, may I just suggest that the last thing the M5 needs is more power. I blame the EPAS and the less-than-ideal seats, which among other reasons do not give anywhere near the same confidence as a more dedicated driver's car.
Compared to a car that isn't built with luxury in mind whatsoever, is the steering system on the F90 less communicative to a point where it becomes easier to unintentionally exceed the absolute limit of grip? (I've never driven one so forgive me if it is a dumb question.)
@@npaul4171 That is actually a very good question. These EPAS systems are notorious for being lacking in feel, even the one in the 991.2 TS (supposedly one of the best electrical racks) does not hold a candle to the 12C's hydraulic rack. The M5 is so big and heavy and tricky to catch once sliding I'd never try 2WD mode on roads without huge runoff. I really wish BMW allowed 2WD mode with some DSC intervention remaining so less-than-pro level avid drivers like me can have some fun with it without constant fear of crashing the thing. It does do a fair job as a daily driver I suppose.
@@Alshen Amen, I never use 2WD on mine, suicide on real roads. Would be awesome if they kept DSC active, very easy software change IMO.
@@npaul4171 no bro I have one it’s numb the steering but it’s very good lmao I can throw it into corners the steering feels new not lack of communication it’s good bro I can’t explain it
Imagine an electric AWD "Tyrell style" 6-wheeler with two seats.. :P
Ct6 black wing needs a tune like this
That guy has no idea abt the car he is selling or abt cars at all...0-100kph in 2.2 sec...all in Germany ofcs....pure crazy talk.
robert blake 12’ of rollout ...
he was a porsche mechanic in florida for 14 yrs-- worked for Dinan for 9--- yes , he has no idea---- we have a 2019 M5 since 2/19---fastest car we have owned -had 2 modified turbo porsches' in the early 90's- this kills them-will be doing the tune-trust the head of Alpina more then some usa garage guys--everyone , please stay safe, masks, glasses, etc--- blessings
@J J 1.9 going downhill too 😂 so as fast as the Tesla Roadster 2.0 ?? 🤔
I wish if you showed speedometer while accelerating
Cops agree.
and the m5 looks wayyy better than the veyron
Weighs as much probably
I own an f90. I have been waiting to see actually 1/4 mile times via draggy or timesheet. Meanwhile, all I've seen or heard was crank HP #'s, a guy saying 2.2 seconds to 60, and oh it comes w/ a warranty. Wait a second here. 2.2 0-60 is Porsche 918 territory. Hell, that is formula 1 car territory. I haven't even seen a single 60-130 time?.These guys are out of Germany with the autobahn in their backyard. no speed limit---no excuses. This is just another tune until I'm proven otherwise.
When Bill needs his Starbucks coffee just that little bit quicker...
Wait, an 850 HP car... and the ignition was on the entire opening sequence? Wow...
a dragy run would help
What road is this?
Lake Hughes Rd, Castaic, CA
The cost of the BMW M5 is more like ~4+% (1/25th-) the cost of the Veyron ($105k vs $2.5mm)
Errr, dunno if you guys looked this up first, but Veyrons are rated at Crank hp, not Wheel hp, it only makes like 720whp. If this car is making 850 crank hp, then it's most likely putting down around 700-750whp, probably even more considering the F90 is heavily underrated from factory.
Also, I noticed that the company is quoting "hp" figures, but they don' state whether that's crank or wheel, I'll assume crank, which is always concerning when a tuning company tries to sell you products based on crank horsepower, because I do not have access to a crank dyno, I cannot ever confirm whether or not you were being truthful about your tune.
percentages or fractions...lets have both!
Cmon a Veyron came out when? 04' 05'? I know 850 is a lot but still comparing it to the best from 15 years ago
Pornhub and fast cars, a man after my own heart ...
F10 M5 is the best buy on the used market. Same engine plus you get the sweet dual clutch trans that the F90 doesnt have.
hoofixrman martin so true
Yeah but you don’t get AWD like the F90 has. The F10 is cool but it has always struggled to put the power down if modified. It is a good bargain though. I’m sure most of them have been abused to hell.
Daniel Rosas...wrong, I just bought a pristene 1 owner all stock F10 M5. They are still out there. I cant imagine wanting more sedan than the F10...and frankly its better looking than the F90 and you cant beat the sweet dual clutch.
hoofixrman martin I love the F10 M5 but it’s just not that easy to keep power down even in stock form.
hoofixrman martin looks are subjective. I personally think the F90 looks better. Also, since it’s AWD when you want it to be, it becomes much more efficient. I almost bought an F10 but it felt so heavy to me. It is darn quick though.
I have a 2014 550i xdrive....but I'd rather have this! :)
why didnt m division do this? because they want the car to last comfortably past warranty
because hand grenades go boom.
2.2 no way
@RS2002 agree
I wanted one so bad but I put over 150K miles on a car and i know the electronics wont last so I just bought a Lexus GSF V8... I love this car
your wallet will thank you for many years to come
@@j4559 LOL I hope so because it hurt me to sign on the dotted line but I saved 44,000 so I wasn't too upset
$3700 to get that big of an HP boost is quite fair. It is just a software tunne update though so its a bit funny as well. They reprogram the ECU in probly 5 min and take your $3700. No parts, way less overhead, among other things. Great business model.
Warrenty
Zach needs an espresso before these one takes. Act a little excited about driving a BMW that has 85% of veyrons power.
Well it's almost like that with the new M cars - you're completely isolated from driving experience...electric steering, fake cabin sound, 4WD automatics.
The best thing about one takes is Zach’s or Matt’s authenticity. They never act.
Zach (or anyone interested) if you want to learn more about high end tuning (BMW, Porsche, AMG, McLaren, Ferrari, etc.) I really suggest reading BoostAddict.com it's probably the best forum for finding out the stock performance of cars like this (there are dyno of F90s, runs in the quarter and with a draggy) and then all the comprehensive data from tuned examples is usually on there as well. For example you would see that the F90 M5 makes closer to 600 WHP stock, so it's probably over 700 BHP from the factory. With tune + downpipe +150 BHP is quite achievable for most tuners.
Almost 3-4 years this vid has been out and this tune is still not available for my f90 23” like what is going on??? What kind of engineering is this?
This dude reminds me of Dominick Cruz
I am busy checking out cars but I am broke anyway my top 5 dream garage goes like ...hot hatch ford focus Rs... Sedan Bmw M5 2018... Suv G63 ... Hybrid : Aventador
Ale to idzie my dream😍
I don't see any videos or anyone on dragy leader boards or anyone on bmw forums with testimonials. Lol
I love the M5 but I'd never buy it new. It depreciates nearly by half in two years.
Agreed, I'm looking to purchase one right now and a used 2020 with 1,000 is almost 20k cheaper than a new one from dealer.
idk If I can get behind the new TST videos... I miss Matt....
Each of us put a video out each week.
2:46 "Busier than the Pornhub server on Valentine's Day." Bars!
Even on stage 2 with dps 850hp is pushing
That warranty plan is a huge deal. That’s what scares a lot of people off who don’t have tons of money to throw away on the risks of modding new cars.
No one with that money is ever scared off of something breaking warranty or not they just don't like the fact something broke period
Mr. TAMW right but if you’re somebody who’s saved up for a long time for something like this because they’re not loaded with $ then the warranty gives a huge peace of mind. People with real money wouldn’t really care either way.
this doesnt feel like 850hp no way lol, my m5 is 800 flat does 2.8 sec to 60
My friend sold his totally rebuild, looking like new Nissan 300zx with 910hp on the dyno for 20000€. That,s 1/100 of the price!!!
Riddle me this…
THE NOELLE LIMITED WARRANTY SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES:
any vehicle operated in any competitive event, or operated on a “chassis dynamometer,”
Imagine fixing that thing out of warranty
First of all its not 617HP stock, its 600. The COMP is 617HP. Also I dont see the hype why this is a 4k tune vs a JB4 piggyback tune which does about the same HP. The reviewer needs to get his facts straight. Farrah does a better review. That being said, 4k cost for this tune with a warranty back up is way worth it .