Great War Basics: 08 Webbing and Blanco
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- In this video, we take a look at how to set, care for and blanco your 1908 pattern Webbing.
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Finally... yes I know the thread on my right breast pocket button failed half way through filming the video. Infuriating!
I'm an amateur historian in America, who having retired, decided to get back into my study of the Great War. Just discovered the channel, and enjoyed the video so much, I subscribed. Here in the West of the US, there's not a lot of Re-Enactors going on in this region.
My Great Uncle fell near the end of the War, and I do have his Compass that was sent by his mates to my Great-Grandparents. He was a gunner on an artillary crew, so I assume he used it as part of sighting the gun. It still works. Amazing, as it's over a hundred years old.
Enjoyed the presentation, and I'm looking forward to watching more.
Mike's enjoyment and knowledge of early 20th-century British military subjects make his videos a pleasure to watch. He's an excellent presenter; who just made musty old web gear so intriguing; I was captivated for 20 minutes and actually learned a couple interesting points too!
Thank you kindly!
I do not why I watched 21 minutes of blanco of WWI gear, but it was strangely fascinating and I enjoyed the enthusiasm and knowledge of the presenter.
I am a former squaddie but definitely not from that era.
Mate, cant thank you enough! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TwoMikesProductions Hi Mike, can Blanco be washed out of webbing ? I have pattern 37 webbing for reenacting and in summer I would prefer it without Blanco for "Africa and Mediteranian theatre". Or can I just use green fabric paint in autumn and khaki fabric paint in summer ?
@@MultiWatcher1000 I’ve never tried it but since it’s basically paint if you get some isopropyl alcohol and a tooth brush and work it into it I reckon that will work!
@@TwoMikesProductions Awesome, I will try it. Thank You for Your answer.
@@MultiWatcher1000 Let me know if it works!
Funny seeing you here!
I'm in the states and I use a wartime smle (ww2) for hunting and this same type of webbing as part of my hunting kit.
Oh deer...
Do you dress it with a SMLE bayonet?
Cheers for this Mike, i normally do Yeomanry but really fancy doing period wild camping( camping in kit using period equipment etc) but know very little about the webbing ... This helped a lot
We were still using Blanco for our belts and gaiters in junior leaders in the early 1970s. We used a Blanco brush ( nail brush) and water with the Blanco ( made it spread more evenly) always done in the Blanco room.
Awesome stuff thanks for sharing
Great clip and subject, kind regards from Australia.
Thank you!
Attempting to sculpt a 1/24 scale Canadian highland figure. This is HUGELY helpful in sorting out how to do his kit. Thanks from a non-reenactor!
No Way! I'd love to see that! I'm currently building a massive 1/24th scale dolls house for my daughter based on Brambley Hedge. Not sculpting though, that sounds incredible!
@@jimpayette3287 Thats amazing Jim! The Kilt Pleats look amazing! Are they individual or have you used a tipe of comb or roller on the green stuff?
@@TwoMikesProductions Thanks much. The kilt is FIMO with the pleats scribed with the tip of a small pen knife so, yeah, individual. There was some cursing involved ;-).
Excellent video
Thank you!
Very nice video. Just getting into ww2, but now I'm all excited about portraying ww1 too. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Greetings! Hope the video has helped!
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Very helpful video :)
Thank you! Share with your chums!
Hey Mike Everest, nice to see another video! I’ve been putting my Hertfordshire regiment uniform together for a while now ( trying to go mostly original), would all soldiers have blanco on their webbing or was it up to them?
Specifically if you were an OR (Other Rank) in the British Army, the absolute overwhelming majority would have been blancoed. Officers were different, and there are some pics of some Highland regiments that appear to not be blancoed. Australians didn't as well for reasons that I cannot begin to fathom! :D
But yes, by and large, Blanco for everyone. Herts Rgt by the way was my Great Grandfathers regiment. He was killed on the first day of Passchendale and is remembered as the third name down on Panel 36 of the Menin Gate.
Thanks a bunch! Can’t imagine what your great grandfather would have gone through
They put a lot of thought into the 1908 Pattern webbing and I agree that it's probably the best kit design of the past 150 years. Specifically, they wanted to make sure the weight distribution was evenly balanced and that it could be snugged up so that it didn't bounce all over the place when you were on the march. Also, they made the large pack attach to the webbing itself, rather than having a separate backpack, which allows you to adjust your webbing to a comfortable fit in one shot, rather than trying to adjust a ruck and webbing separately. You put it on like a coat, adjust it according to your clothing layers and away you go. It's a very well engineered system.
Superb system, particularly in comparison to other armies as well. My Italian army stuff is so complicated and needs a team of stout men to hang off me! :D
How do you clean uniforms if they get absolutely SOAKED in mud (just in case it happens to me) I'd really like to know what you think on cleaning your uniforms?
Hang it up on the line once the mud dries then beat the cloth with a wooden broom or cloth beater a lot. This should get rid of the worst of the dirt, then if you want it super clean , remove all insignia and wool wash it.
@@TwoMikesProductions Thank you so much for your help :D
Mike, hello from Canada. Stumbled onto your videos last night and have to ask who made your SD cap? I have two and neither is the correct shape, like yours is. Mine are too small on the top and too puffy. I want to put together a uniform for 1914 and if I can't get a decent cap there isn't much point. Keep up the good work. Enjoyed your stuff immensely.
Thank you! Mine is a Khaki on Campaign by Dickie Knight
What was referred to as the valise was known as the small pack in the 37 pattern.
Great and informative video! mike, I am trying to find a ww2 re-enactment in the Southampton/Hampshire area. Can you help?
For world war 2 infantry head over to the Suffolk regiment living history group. They have chaps active in Hampshire and not far from you. They are also the best British WW2 infantry group out there in the UK.
Many thanks. Will give them a look.
Very interesting video. I have a british ww1 uniform and i was wondering how do you get your collar flaps to stay down like that?
Just a little tacking stitch with some khaki thread and it's sorted. :)
Thanks. And another question: what is the correct color of blanco from soldier of fortune?
@@konaonpalannut9723 This one here matey. www.sofmilitary.co.uk/kay-canvas-liquid-blanco-ww1-colour.html
@@TwoMikesProductions thanks!
@@TwoMikesProductions you're a good dam hero, I have a hard time telling shade of colors. Been looking around for what was used. Thank you from the states :)
I had a question, can the braces that attach to the web belt be also attached to the ends of the small pack so you can shoulder carry it? I plan on turning a spare p08 small pack I have into a cartridge box for carrying ammo for my flintlock muskets and the small pack will serve perfectly i just need a cross belt to carry it
Yep, i've done that very thing mate! I use it when Shotgun Shooting, so its perfect.
@@TwoMikesProductions Thanks for the reply! I just ordered one and some P08 webbing straps from WPG. Thanks for the help!
Great! Where did u get the poster on the back? Thank u
It's an original I managed to pick up at a vintage fair somewhere in Sussex. Lovey isn't it!
It's an original I managed to pick up at a vintage fair somewhere in Sussex. Lovey isn't it!
Hi Mike, do you know where to find some good brodie helmets? I bought one from s.o.f but the liner is messed up and doesn't sit right on my head. It also just looks really weird with the dome being too low and one side of the helmet being bent. Got any recommendations?
Rip the liner out and get one from Military History Workshop. The SOF Shells are okay, but if you can find an original and stick an MHW liner in it, you absolutely will have a great helmet. Its what I wear. I'vve got a crinkly raw edged Broadie (one of those super early ones) wth an MHW liner and its pretty close to perfect for me. I used to use an SOF one and it was 'okay in a pinch' if that makes sense. They have a tendency to sit too high on the head.
Awesome, cheers mate!
"Don't eat the socks, "I've done that before" #mikeE
make sure you dont NEED the socks!
Hi Mike, I had a gander over on SOF for some blanco but I've run into a bit of a pickle. Apparently, there are two Blanco types named "Sunburn" and one confusingly named "WW1 colour". One sunburn is called "Malta" the other is called "No. 61 buff" and the WW1 colour seems to look more green than both? Can you help me out getting the correct colour?
Avoid the buff one mate, I have a sneaking suspicion that will be better for desert clobber in ww2. Avoid pea green and do a taste test as it were on their ww1 colour... Which sounds ominously generic!
@@TwoMikesProductions Will do, thanks mate
THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO ME .WHAT COLOR WAS THE BRITISH ARMY BLANKETS
Grey. Numerous surplus companies still hold them for a decent price too!
Hey Mike! Great video chap! One question only...... where can i get mannequins to put my uniforms up?
Ebay sells them. If you specify tailors dummys you can get male and female ones. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Male-Tailors-Dummy-Tailor-Bust-Cream-Fashion-Students-Mannequin-Window-Display/180756319767?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20151005190705%26meid%3D18e7806f13fb44469736bf66df6dec59%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D180756319767&_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226
30 quid and they work perfectly.
I picked up mine for cheap as chips off eBay. The first aid nursing yeomanry uniform I have is on a female tailors dunmy but male ones are just as cheap around 30 quid
does the marksmen badge go on both sleeves
and stripes abd badges go on the great coat
Hi Gerry, in WW1, the Marksmans badge goes on the left hand sleeve. Above the cuff.
The only thing that goes on your Great Coat is your rank and shoulder titles. No Battalion patches or anything like that.
Which is better, Us or british webbing?
For great war? British. The US stuff is decent, but the British equipment is close to perfection.
Can you make a video about how to put your p08 webbing together
Yeah I reckon we can do something like that for you. :)
How many tins of blanco would I need to put on my webbing because you only said how many bottles I would need
For Quippy? It should be One tin to cover the entire set, though if you are going quite heavy with it, it can be 1 and a half. :)
Nice A F Barrie Spitfire
mike i have two marksman patches cross rifles but one has a crown above it what doese that mean?
Should be just a pair of crossed rifles. The Crossed rifles with a crown above it is the instructors badge for the Officer Training Corps, School of Musketry.
Mike, do you know of a good place to get 2nd Pattern Cartridge carriers? I have a What Price Glory set, which is obviously 1st pattern. I'm going for 1917 Battle of Passendale, so I need 2nd pattern, and I'm not sure the best place to get them. I know of a few makers, just not sure which to get.
Thank you so much for any info you have!
The SoF high qulaity ones are good. I've not yet found a set that will seat 15 rounds per pouch properly though!
@@TwoMikesProductions Okay, thank you! I was looking at those, they're out of stock though, and I wasn't sure about the cheaper ones. I'll just wait for the good ones then! Thank you!
@@worldwar2historyandgear970 Arg! thats no good from them! Hmmm.... WPG may have some? Try lawrence ordnance too
@@TwoMikesProductions It doesn't look like WPG makes them, but Lawrence ordnance does, and they're in stock. That'll probably be the best bet! Thank you! If you know of anyone that wants 1st pattern WPG pouches, I've got some I'll sell.
@@worldwar2historyandgear970 Keep em matey, no doubt you will end up doing a Mons Event in 2024!
Are you planning to do anymore videos soon?
Not while we are in tier three basically. Basically May/June I reckon
I got a grey back shirt from what price glory and can’t button the top button on the collar is that a common problem and is there anything I can do about it?
Cort Ott I’ve seen it only once before with someone who works out quite a bit. See if going for the larger size works better, or if that fails don’t worry too much about it. The shirt is hidden by the tunic collar as it is so shouldn’t be an issue. And when in shirt sleeve order you fold the collar in and it’s hidden basically.
Mike Everest ok and where did you get your tunic from
@@cortott6105 it's an old soldier of fortune one, good for slumming it at places like Newville
Im actually having a hard time finding that blanko stuff online. I was hopeing for some help. Im in the states if that matters.
Its getting really hard to find Quippy online at the moment. However, this excellent website is an absolute bible for making your own blanco. www.blancoandbull.com/repro-blanco/no-103-the-shoe-cream-method/
@@TwoMikesProductions Thank you man. you're a hero
@@gumihyrule1278 no problem and good luck! The games workshop paints mentioned in the article may have changed name so just check that.
Heard the Pier music.
i just got in to 10th esx LHG, are you going to Stow maries?
WW1 UK I’m afraid I won’t be there due to shielding concerns with Covid. Given the recent announcement, keep your ear to the ground as to weather it’s still on matey. :)
Mike Everest Oke
You might not have an answer for me, but I'll ask anyway. I made myself a frog for my Nepalese made, top quality khukuri that I carry on hikes through dystopian, nature reclaimed industrial ruins. Used a bit of undyed cotton webbing that I had laying about to make a primitive, but hopefully sturdy frog. How should I maintain my creation? Is there a preservative compound that will keep it from rotting without leeching pigment onto my clothing? It would be nice to change its colour but it's not a priority, preservation is my goal.
Any sort of blanco should work to preserve the cotton nature of it! I would go for a regular shop bought one in an umber colour. I would advise though soaking and then drying under hot sun to pre shrink and stretch it.
@@TwoMikesProductions What about pigment transfer? I don't want anything coming off on to my clothing. Can you suggest a particular brand? I'll probably have to order in whatever I end up using.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 No it shouldnt transfer at all, its basically a stick fast paint if you buy blanco from Soldier of Fortune. If its not for a particular impression then you could use any of the colours they have available.
@@TwoMikesProductions I'd say that the particular impression would be of a competent, well adjusted adult. I'd be about as convincing as one of those chaps that wears his Ray-Ban spectacles with his Napoleonic shako and coatee.
What about the cap? From where can I get a quality made service dress cap?
Dickie Knight at Khaki on Campaign does the best SD caps for sure
@@TwoMikesProductions Thank you for letting me know! They surely are beautiful caps and I definatelly want to get my hands on one!
Has Quippy's been discontinued? Im having a very difficult time finding it and dont want to tap into my original 103
Discontinued a long time ago and it seems the finite reserves have either run out or become otherwise unobtainable.
I recommend, if you have the warewithall to use the 'shoe cream' method. Which will provide you with a much long lasting solution.
www.blancoandbull.com/
@@TwoMikesProductions thank you much!!
Question not on the blanco or webbing. But where is the cap from?
Dickie Knight (Khaki on Campaign) makes the this stiff cap, and for my advice, the best stiff caps on the market
Would soldier put blanco on their slings by any chance
It appears to be a regimental thing. There are some that do and some that dont. A wishy washy answer i'm afraid but the British Army is full of oddity!
Is it possible to buy the cheaper SOD webbing and buy better straps?
I'm a bit too young to get a job lol.
I really wouldn’t, they are absolute toilet. The pouches curl at the edges and the popper fly open. Wait till you get a job otherwise it’s a false economy as you are buying it twice
@@TwoMikesProductions Yes thank you I think I'll get Lawrance Ordnance
@@camrichyoung Absolutely worth it
What color is the British uniform
Khaki
How come your showing both ranks of lcpl and sergeant
Blue three stripes are overseas chevrons, issued in 1918 for soldiers who had spent in the conflict overseas. Three blue means 15,16 and 17. If you have a red one it means you were deployed in 1914. These would be rather rare for regular infantry as the vast majority of the british army were deployed later than 14. :)
Who produce the baton round
Can someone answer my question who produces baton rounds for use in the North of Ireland
Were did u get
Hello, Where can i buy the blanco in cans?
Hi there, at the time of release of this video, Quippy Blanco was easier to come by. Its now much rarer and much more expensive. Your options now are pretty much buying it in liquid form in bottles or making your own repro stuff www.blancoandbull.com/repro-blanco/
I won a bid on one for 120 usd and its worked fine
Noice, I almost got a good 07 SMLE bayonet for about that much. Someone nuked the auction last minute though.
So how is Soldier Fortune how is the ww1 kit that they sell
It's not bad. Not absolutely terrible, there are parts of their kit that are shocking though. Their puttees and stiff caps are terrible, and generally the fixing of the buttons on their tunics needs addressing.
However , there will be plenty of second hand stuff on the market with the end of the centenary so if you were looking to get into it in a more affordable manner, they would be a good bet.
Caveat emptor as always
@@TwoMikesProductions yea thanks a lot mate good to know
Nice video. You can also use water based paint of the appropriate colour mixed with water 50/50. That worked well for our group and was cheaper than blanco. www.townofelliston.ca/wwi/17.jpg
Cool!
Who made the SD uniform you’re wearing?
Just a regular SOF one as its the one I use at Newville so it needs to be absolutely okay with being shredded by barbed wire and such
@@TwoMikesProductions Good to hear, many thanks!
@@ww2buff111 No worries!
I just bought a P08 large pack from What Price Glory and I'm trying to figure out how to attach it to my webbing. I have run in to the issue that it appears that the large pack does not have anything for the belt straps to attach to. Any suggestions on how to attach it to the belt?
Panic not my friend! The Valise attaches to the same clips at that the Haversack does roughly where your shoudlers are. At the bottom of the Valise are two small clips, these connect to two straps which are mounted on your ammunition pouches.
The Ammo pouches will have thise little weird looking tabs which you will think 'what are they for!' and thats what attaches to the small buckles at the base of the Valise.
Hope that helps!
Great video. Why would you want to Blanco your equipment though ?
Treats it, protects it against foul weather and generally keeps it toughened against damage and the elements
The SoF stuff is based off of 103 as well as quippy. Either isn't exact to the actual shade, but quickly is the closest you can come too it. There are a good 10 shades I've got clear tangible evidence proving it's use. The colours range from 103, too 64 (khaki shade that matched the colour of the sets of webbing originally), right up to a shade resembling KG3. Also regarding you statement about webbing being well fitting on blokes I disagree with. Yes webbing wasn't completely flopping off chaps, but in most photos of the great war infantry during the mid too late part of the war the webbing appears too sag and sit in a very unsightly manner. Often when living groups attempt to portray Infantrymen on active service too much of an emphasis is put on uniformity or the flawed statement of "portraying the majority". All infantry units that where photographed on the first day of the somme for exampme all appear to wear everything crumpled up, creased or carry things in ways not usually prescribed. But yet if you where to do this as a portrayal within living history it'd be deemed as farby.
Dont want to sound like a total bellend aha, but it's just something I've always been perplexed by.
Here Cosmo where did you get quipu?
where can i by blanco
If you are UK based, Soldier of Fortune make it as a paint in a bottle.
that hanging button bothered me and i dont know why
Honestly... when we filmed the damned thing I looked at it and I said the other Mike 'Destroy this and all the evidence. We shoot it again'
@@TwoMikesProductions its one of thoese when you notice it you cant unsee it but I'm an American civil war reenactor and I play a major so maybe that my inner officer coming out
What about IMA?
I'll let ya know in a few days. It's on the way in the post.
Ok thank you
To update: pretty meh, but for its price (especially since it's on sale) it's pretty good.
What’s IMA stand for? (I’m looking for the website)
International military antiques
Where can i buy to other stuff, not the blanco but the other stuff
Quippy? Ebay on the UK, and thats only every now and then. The stuff is getting increasinly more rare i'm afraid!
Would it matter if u where a kid and u had children’s webbing that was £75 of sofmillitray
That webbing should be fine to take the Blanco
@@TwoMikesProductions ok thankyou 👍👍
@@TwoMikesProductions I got new webbing now
@@wesor8688 great! I’ve got an assembly video you can watch too
1:02 America is not part of the British empire! Let freedom ring!!!🇺🇸
hi me again who sells a white cotton hold all
Hi Gerry, for the one for your eating irons, tommys pack fillers www.tommyspackfillers.com/showitem.asp?itemRef=VS030
Not that great when its wet eh
If you blanco it, its brilliant. :)
ha ha Ive used it when wet triples its weight lol mind you I was a Kid in the ATC so a cups canteen was heavy lol
Ive just acquired a full set of 37 Pattern hence the reason to learn how to Blanco it so thanks a bunch Mike !
@@zaynevanbommel5983 lovely! Be sure to use Pea Green for your 37 pattern matey! Hope it works well!
@@TwoMikesProductions was going to do the sand Blanco as the AIF & 2ndNZEF and the LRDG were mainly in the Desert and Italy