This changes EVERYTHING... I am *NOT* kidding!
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- No more BNF or PNF RC planes or drones in the USA, thanks to the Remote ID rule which comes into effect on 16 September 2022. That's right, be prepared for manufacturers to stop making BNF/PNF models and watch for empty shelves at retail and online stores.
The handbrake has just been put on the hobby by very, very bad rule-making and complacency withing the groups who should be advocating for it.
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As usual, the real criminal element won't be bothered at all about this. It will just burden normal, responsible hobbyists.
Like gun control
@@whatanerd7628 LOL. Yes, because I'm Canadian.
@@rekitrichard7837 you will be made into a criminal... just wait and see.
BINGO!!
Well, they regulations criminalize us ...
Easy solution is for every hobby shop to put a big sticker on every retail box which states "for display purposes only, Not to be used for rc flight". Now we will be buying display models and what we do with the model after we take it from the hobby shop is our business.
Just like bath salts 😂
or sell it as parts, like wings, servos, etc and assembly it on your own
The government has no business in our hobby
Sounds great, until government decides to regulate ' display models ' lol.
That sounds great but unfortunately it won't be long until they clamp down on that "loophole" :(
I've been flying model airplanes for 40 years. I'll start installing RID in my models about 20 minutes after the heat death of the universe occurs.
😅🤣🤝
Both savage and poetic. Love that comment.
@@samuctrebla3221 Thanks! I'm going to get new batteries for my G series Futaba radios so I can go full angry old man. ;)
If you fly at a FRIA (club field), you do not need RID.
@@Mode1RC That would entail spending well over $250 a year (AMA + club dues) and an 80 mile round trip every time I wanted to fly. I'll stick to my back yard. ;)
My response to over-regulatory nonsense is “F*** em!” I’ll continue to do what I’ve been responsibly doing for the last forty years. There are some people who WILL be discouraged by this nonsense and that’s a shame. There are some laws that are so idiotic that we have a DUTY to ignore/refuse to comply with etc. THE GOVERNING BODIES WORK FOR US (the people) 😎
I'm with ya, if the laws are unreasonable, don't expect it to be effective. If history has anything to say, these rules will be near useless in regulating the current hobby.
I have had similar thoughts uo to now, but what happens if there are no products to play with because companies stop making our toys due the regulations, etc?
THE GOVERNING BODIES WORK FOR (THEMSELVES)
Fixed that for you ;)
@@cccagley5276 China will still make them als long as we buy them.
That is right! We put those people in power so they screw us all!
What we are going to do? Fly on and ignore stupid rules of course!
STOP LISTENING TO THIS !DIOT! All AMA sites will have the ability for EXEMPTION through FRIA. This man is literally LYING to you when he says "there's no other option". Read the latest AMA blog.
1000% right 👍
Exactly.
Form a rebel FPV squadron to shoot down any commercial drones who invade our air space with lasers.
Pretty soon the FAA is going to try to regulate Flight Simulator 2020. 😂
Exactly!! 😂
They already removed one WTC tower to make it harder to crash into them!
im still waiting for them to mess with DCS (because its russian origin..and im not kidding.. i can totally see them banning DCS cause "its russian spyng"
LOL!! I can imagine being unable to select certain aircraft from the flight simulator menu until I provide proof that I have a commercial pilots license and have the proper ratings and numbers of hours in that aircraft.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAH coming up with FLIGH SIMULATOR 2022
Even after Amazon and Google found out that the Airspace they bullied the hobbyists out of, was no use to them, this is still going ahead..............
BINGO !
So maybe it wasn't just them, smaller operators also looking to reduce competition..
Just more power for scumbag politicians
What a shame, I was really looking forward to flying loot boxes.
And the very air we breathe is now only for the corporate drones, those with financial backing.
Regarding the BNF/PNP allowances in Remote ID, see page 43 of the Remote ID Final Ruling "This rule removes the major portion requirement; the definition now includes any unmanned aircraft that an individual built solely for education or recreation. This definition would include any level of assembly of the unmanned aircraft so long as that assembly was done solely for education or recreation of the individual building the UAS." As it goes on to explain the built in requirement now only applies to a 'complete kit' which is explained on page 228 "Unmanned aircraft kits that are produced without key components of the unmanned aircraft, such as the engine or electric motor, flight control servos, or RF receiver, are not considered complete kits and the producers of these partial kits are not subject to the production requirements in subpart F."
Bit like when Lotus circumvented the UK car rules by shipping a 'kit' car, where you just had to fit the wheels and few other bits.
From page 44: "A hobbyist assembling an unmanned aircraft from a complete kit that contains all the parts and instructions to assemble an unmanned aircraft would not be responsible for meeting the production requirements of this rule. However, the company that produced that complete kit would be required to meet the production
requirements. As discussed in section VII of this preamble, persons operating these unmanned aircraft continue to be subject to the operating rules of part 89, so a home-built unmanned aircraft without remote identification can only be operated in an FAA-recognized identification area, unless it can identify remotely in accordance with this rule (e.g., by equipping the homebuilt unmanned aircraft with a remote identification broadcast module".
You will still need a remote ID module to fly out side of an authorized FRIA site with your "kit-built" drone.
This only applies to RC aircraft that are assembled by the end user...ready to fly planes would still be required to be compliant. I guess the big question is does an ARF qualify as something assembled by the end user or by the manufacturer.
@@InspGadgt I'm pretty sure i read in that FAA document that even when manufacturers provide a "kit", they must include the remote ID module with the kit. This prevents the makers from selling "kits" that would circumvent the rule about mandatory remote ID required if manufactured after Sept. 2022. It's the FAA and I'm sure they've looked at every loophole to get around remote ID.
@@Kevin-ib4gv I can't recall if it applies to kits or not...either way AMA did not do enough to make a difference with the FAA. Fortunately I'm 3d printing all my aircraft now so I don't have to worry about it. Scratch building and 3d printing is going to be much more popular after this takes affect.
good thing the RC hobby is becoming increasingly dominated by DIY 3D printed, DIY foamies, and many are rediscovering balsa models. And you can make receivers from Arduinos. Just make your own and skip the gov regs.
I'm sure they'll come for that next... eg. can't fly at all without remote ID
@@JaydenLawson they'll try, but the gov can't enforce it. people already ignore the regs.
ExpressLRS, fpv bought in parts doesn't have to be for flying, 3d printing, cut carbon fiber, foamies, balsa, stm32 to make FC, and how to videos online for educational purposes.
STOP LISTENING TO THIS !DIOT! All AMA sites will have the ability for EXEMPTION through FRIA. This man is literally LYING to you when he says "there's no other option". Read the latest AMA blog.
I fly on my own private 80 acers. My friends can come too. Step on my property without my permission and you will be picking lead buckshot out of your ass!!
"No one can build and ship the remote id in 6 weeks"
The cynic in me thinks there is already a company driving this policy ready to sell their proprietary system.
Yup. And their name is DJI.
nope, this ruling is a long coming, and nice thing, it is compatible with the EU ruling. No company, including DJI, has a recorded valid system according FAA website
@@Vousie Redcat (aka Fatshark) have been working on Remote ID for two years, allegedly.
@@Vousie im thinking more red cat
If it's federally mandated to have it it should be free with every build you make and register or have registered
The AMA repositioned themselves as a commercial drone insurance provider
FRIA Franchisor
Sad to see the AMA is not doing their job and fight against the stupid remote ID. Glad to see in Germany the DMFV was successful in fighting this nonsense. We have to put a printed remote id in our planes.
So you need to register if your drone weighs 250g or more, but not if you created a swarm of drones that weighs less than 250g each...
Yup, makes perfect sense.
It says you can only operate one at a time. Only a swarm of 1 is allowed.
@@overbese but I identify as a swarm. Singular. Haha
Cant compare apples to bananas..!
I work at a hobby shop, Horizon Hobby isnt doing anything for this, as far as we have seen. The reason nobody is concerned is because it is completely unenforceable, any local FAA guys don't care, they have bigger fish to fry. We also know some ATC guys, they have told us that they are worried about overloading of their systems.
You mean like 1NR that busted a Bravo airspace
That's what I'm thinking, everything will go on as usual, just not really legally. People in the USA are still filming themselves flying out of LOS without spotters anyway, among other things. These rules just can't be properly enforced
"Local FAA guys" only have bigger fish to fry until they don't, then it's you on FoxNews as an outlaw/terrorist
@@reezlaw exactly, they would have to hire, and train, and pay for thousands of FAA cops essentially to patrol the neighborhoods:) Just wont happen!!!
The reason Horizon isn't doing anything about this is simple; because nothing needs to be done. xjet has this completely wrong.
This is breaking my heart , why , why can’t we just be happy for once …😭
Because it is the goal of every bureaucrat to cause as much upset and misery as possible.
You will own nothing and you will be happy!
Same here 🤷♂️😭 Off topic, but I also think of all the older hobbyists who still want to fly their fixed-wing glow or petrol models made from balsa or other materials. Where can they fly, apart from a club? What can I do with my precious glow and diesel engines? This whole situation is so depressing 😞😢
I hate big business, government and the media so much 😠🤬
Because there will always be those waiting in the wings for their chance to act. There's a reason why democracy *needs* eternal vigilance.
becouse you keep voting on the same idiots....time and time again!
I have been a stoner 53 years. Not a rule follower, but sensibly responsible
According to US regulators, recreational drones are more of a threat, than assault rifles.
More people die from choking on food than by recreational drones.
It never was about safety or, better worded, public safety.
Today, anything flying can see far and wide and gather information (intelligence in american).
That's the real scare.
And it ain't the information like the neighbour's topless sunbathing in the yard, it's everything else linked to government activities and how the public money are spent.
Think big houses with pools to fit a yacht owned by public officials, that are well fenced from the ground observer, public roadwork that spends millions on a mile and has two workers with a wheelbarrow and a shovel at any point in time, mountains deforestation just beyond the view of the main road and so on.
All things that are illegal but those that made up the laws are privileged enough to do it.
And an RC foamie can see it.
@@licensetodrive9930 or, for that matter, from "assault rifles".
according to US regulators, Kinder is more of a threat to a kid than assault rifles
Define assault rifle.
Thank You for posting another video. It has been a while, and I look forward to watching this a bit later... _John_
I’ll keep right on flying. I could care less about these ridiculous laws.
Same here....This will not happen.
you *couldn't* care less
Ok, sure, but then as soon as the media publishes a drone incident, even an innocuous one, the FAA will demand more funding and authority to create a "civil air disobedience corp.", just like is happening in the IRS. Every neighborhood block in the country will soon have a parttime FAA officer to watch their neighborhood. I am wondering if we should we create an "amnesty fly free zones"? Up to 400 feet, of course.
@@isaackvasager9957 I had a lengthy discussion about this with a linguist recently. Both "could" and "couldn't" are currently accepted in modern lexicon, however "could" is more common in North America than elsewhere.
In the term "I could care less" it's implied that while you could, you don't. In which case it's shorthand for "I could care less, but I don't."
It's nice to revisit the sites that said "there isn't even specifications out so how can the manufacturers make Remote ID even possible in 6 weeks." And there were a lot of them. I said that multi-million dollar companies KNOW what the specs are, even if not published. Low and behold, on September 16, 2022, DJI published their drones that were now Remote ID capable. Wow, how did they design, manufacture, test and produce in just 6 weeks with no FAA specs? Must have been a miracle from the drone gods.
So, we go back to the way we did it in the old days. Scratch build them. That way we put what we want on them. I never thought I would see my beloved Hobby forced to be used as a tool of rebellion. Life does play some strange tricks. Our rulers are letting their fear of the people show.
Everything is either being banned or regulated out of existence this is just the start and will lead to a completely dystopian world and in my view it’s well on its way.
Including our rights & general way of life, but that's a whole other topic.
@@Twigz11 your not wrong
The rule for flying with remote ID goes into effect September 2023. The rule for manufacturing with remote id included goes into effect September 2022, but models made prior to 9/22 can still be shipped and sold. If thousands of units have been made before 9/22, thousands can still be sold in the weeks or months to come. The shelves won't be empty just yet.
Precisely, and who is auditing the companies manufacturing the models? I suspect that their perceived manufacturing productivity will 100x over September, and no production for a year after that...
This is not correct. The FAA cannot stop a manufacture from selling to the public.
@@penultimatename6677 Really? Tell it to CESSNA, PIPER, DIAMOND, CIRRUS and any other aircraft manufacturer who wants to sell their aircraft in the US without FAA certification. Your "drone" is an aircraft, believe it or not, and subject to whatever the FAA decides is in the best interest of its airspace.
Here’s the simple truth as I see it. Model aircraft, especially those used to bring one enjoyment and camaraderie through participation in the hobby, are our inalienable right to operate without draconian restriction under the “pursuit of happiness” clause from the Declaration of Independence. Not to put too fine a point on it but if our government is large enough to involve itself to this degree in the People’s personal and private lives, that government needs put in its place. I, for one, shall not comply.
LOL!
I heard the Ardupilot devs talking about this in one of their conference presentations. Apparently the FAA went against all sensible advise they were receiving from industry experts and simply dug their heels in. My feeling is GA is seriously threatened by the extraordinary developments in aerial robotics particularly the massive Open Source community. Big aviation companies can’t compete with a global, free work force. So the FAA will just regulate us out of existence to protect their own. Also I believe we are heading for global conflict…
@Fidd88 yes I understand your point but the technology in RC now is so extraordinarily advanced the authorities are nervous. They’re not worried about collisions I can assure you of that. The big areas of concern is disruption to traditional GA business models and BVLOS attacks by adversaries. It’s a pity hobbyists get lumped into the same basket.
Drone technology in civilian hands, scares the crap out of them. The surveillance state does not want people to have the ability to surveil them
Pretty interesting my friend. Knew nothing about this. I really wonder how this will work. Thanks for posting this video and big salute from Slovenia, Pilot Robert
Hey Petrincic Bros - love your channel and the enthusiasm in YOUR videos. Glad to see you are a CZcams fan also!
Hey legends 😃🤜🏻🤛🏻🤘
You knew nothing about this because it is not a thing. xjet has his facts wrong.
@@Mode1RC enlighten please, what are the facts? Thanks.
@@ivangreenfield5353 the facts are in the FAA final rule. There are also summaries from various entities, including the FAA and the AMA. The documents are far too extensive to post in the comments here. If you have specific questions I am happy to try and address them.
Let's build balsa airplanes from kits like we used to do.
Unfortunately balsa is getting more expensive and much harder to find (at least around here).
@@RCModelReviews Local Ak Mitre10 sells balsa now , and hobby ply.
@@RCModelReviews
Balsa is used as a core for wind turbines so lots should be available when they are recycled
@@awattI wonder if we could get some paperwork passed to subsidize the production of fast growing lumber like Balsa, too, on the principle that it helps suck carbon out of the air and put it into a physical building material
That would mean more wood for turbines, more wood for us, and less carbon sitting around as dead weight
@@spindash64
That ok and dandy but the carbon is released back into the environment as soon as the tree is cut down. Also how much more rain forest needs to be destroyed?
You have to remember, the AMA is just a group of the Good Ole Boyz and has been since the Dave Brown days. It hasn't really done a thing to promote the hobby in years as we only have Muncie as the site for the AMA Nationals. Before Dave Brown and clowns it was rotated around the country. I believe this is the biggest cause of our dwindling hobby. So much for my soap opera. Have a great day.
Still remember when the SFA made an attempt to compete with AMA. It's just sad to see the hobby I love fade into obscurity.
Guy, I was so upset with the AMA I did not renew my membership which I had for over two decades. As you said, they are good ol boys stuck in the 1950s. Sorry, but control line flying is not my idea of a hobby. AMA, you killed the very hobby you claim promote! So sad; shame, shame.
STOP LISTENING TO THIS !DIOT! All AMA sites will have the ability for EXEMPTION through FRIA. This man is literally LYING to you when he says "there's no other option". Read the latest AMA blog.
the home built regs for drones are under title 14 part 89.1 ... although it still says "built solely for education or recreation." And as far as sub 250 you still have to have RID on it for 107 ops.
What are the penalties for non-compliance? What would be the consequences if everybody ignored the remote id?
Loss of part107 registration, meaning loss of livelihood for some people.
Policing and enforcing is going to be very hard
@@_BangDroid_ It will be hard to enforce with hobbyists, however for part107 it won't be hard, because the employers (and insurance) will require compliance - that's how it works now.
@@_BangDroid_ Not really. The FAA just has to make some examples of a few people and fine them harshly.
In the US you can be fined up to $25,000 and confiscation of equipment. That can include any other equipment on your procession. So if you are flying near your car , your phone and laptop goes to if the LEO sees it. Most bust happened because the FCC, not FAA was in the area investigating another un-related complaint and while in the area was scanning all frequencies. One FCC guy said it was like fishing, you get a little nibble and you hang around to see if there is a bigger fish to catch.
In Canada to keep your pilot certificate over two years you have to complete knowledge maintenance activities that TC never provided.
Bruce, note the magic number used to 254. In grams it applied to unmanned flying (now 250) and in lbs it applies to EAA part 103 aircraft which must be manned. There is a lot in common with part 103 rules (aircraft under 254lbs) and the rules for more than 250 grams as stated by you but the difference is that the 254lbs plus weight of pilot does not even need a radio or transponder. Like the bankers suggesting we are all issued with carbon footprint credits that the poor can sell to the rich the question is WHY? Because it would give bankers business of course.
A thought: most RC aircraft components can also be used for RC cars or other applications outside FAA regulation. Even inertial navigation modules I've spotted in the form of microcontroller modules. Parts will be available for the DIY builder. But this will greatly damage the prebuilt and "law" respecting portion of the hobby.
Remote ID on guns! Let's see how fast a certain group of people will go bonkers within 0.2 seconds!
Brilliant. 😀
@@mikenowland2739 sorry I just had to troll the US
@@MartijnvanGene Ha yep !
I'm sure the FAA's ultimate goal is to drive the hobby out of existence. It's a nuisance they'd like to see go away. I started losing interest in RC flying when the government got involved requiring licenses and such. Been out of the hobby for several years now but I still have an occasional interest in what's going on.
i can make my stuff from scratch I think they are just trying to drive off the age of idiots at Walmart buying mavics and then flying them over the super bowl.
maybe i'll go back to 72mhz
@@fido3561 Only if it is still allocated for RC craft use in your country.
I just completely ignore the new legislation (EU) and fly as before. I refuse to pay a yearly fee for registration and I refuse to pay for insurance for my tiny drone. Even if its only around 100$ a year in total its still money thrown down a hole that gives me NOTHING in return.. I mostly only fly away from people anyway. And judging by the numbers from CAA Norway I'm not alone. Only 3% of the assumed number of drone owners had registered 1 year after the legislation went into effect.
Hi bloosee ,I gave up flying any models 10 yrs ago because of all this pish.I cycles now to keep fit .Do you know that if I do 34 mile an hour in a 30 ,on my bike lol.I can receive a 3 fixed penalty points on my drivers license lol .The worlds going mad .This is all about keeping us normal people in place .
Read more about the Remote ID requirements here: www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/remote_id/drone_pilots. Also the Standard Specification for Remote ID and Tracking is here www.astm.org/f3411-22.html
You're right. This is a cluster f*ck! For now, I fly a 520g F11 drone from Ruko. I have a little more than a year to keep flying it, without any problems. I will check Amazon to see if they are telling buyers anything about the upcoming rules.
Interesting and timely post, as I have recently been wondering what is going on with RID. The 9/22 date is upon us and I've seen virtually no products on the market that will meet the RID requirements as I understand them (at least for fixed wing). The 9/23 date is barely a year away and I've seen nothing available (in the form of an RID module) that will meet those requirements either. I'll contrast this to what went on in the USA in the mid/late 1980s when most of the RC channels were being re-assigned and narrow banded. Products were out years ahead of when the changes were going to take affect in 1991. I distinctly remember buying a radio in 1988 that met the 1991 frequency requirements (yes I'm old, but still use that TX to this day). Unfortunately, I see this as a hobby killer for the buy and fly crowd... either fixed wing or quad. For kit and scratch builders things will be somewhat better given that segment's DIY nature... but for how long. In the USA the response to all this from the AMA has been pathetic. I used to be a member for years and years... however, I currently am not, as I no longer see the point. ...and does anyone understand what the official definition of a FRIA is (FAA-Recognized Identification Area). I've looked for an official description, but have found none. I see a train wreck coming.
No one cares. Its all bs. Just fly what you want
This reminds me, I need to put a more powerful VTX in my quad and make sure it’s larger and heavier.
Yeah. I went to the expense of building a couple of sub 250g quads after those registration started coming in, but if the FAA/CAA decide to keep moving the goal posts to add even more restrictions, making even THESE subject to their rules, I might as well say "Fu*k 'um all !" And dust off my heavy lift hexs and Y6 camera platforms again, and fly them wherever I fancy.
If they're going to keep pushing through rules to constantly make what I'm doing illegal......... well, I guess that'll make me a criminal, and what criminals don't do is follow ANY of the countries inconvenient laws. It's the same philosophy as the uninsured driver who decides to try and outrun the police, then after crashing, also decides to add "Resisting arrest" and "Assault of a police officer" to their charge sheet...... "In for a penny...." and all that.
(Out of interest, and on an entirely unconnected subject, what's the current multirotor altitude record? And is the space around Parliament a no fly zone? I've also always been curious about what the inner courtyard at GCHQ really looks like up close. :D)
Thank you for pointing this out!
My question is how are they going to enforce it or prove you have it
On Horizons page under FAA new rules that was published in 2021, they say they are engineering a simple and cost effective way to add RID to their planes so hopefully they will continue to sell them and add remote ID rather than discontinuing.
Man, talk about "Big Bother watching all of us, 24/7!"
This is a big reason why I didn't renew my AMA membership this year...they didn't fight hard enough for us hobbyists. Fortunately all my new planes are going to be 3d printed by myself so I don't have to worry about this.
Not picking on you because other have said the same thing, but how is printing a model or building it out of balsa going to solve the problem? Its not how the model is made but the type of electronics used to fly it. I do both, build and print and will be considered a felon in 9/23 if I don't stop flying my models with their current equipment.
@@tomconte2847 Because there is no manufacturer involved. The mandate is for manufacturers to include remote ID on the planes. Scratch built doesn't have this mandate.
@@InspGadgt Again the new federal law is about flying weight, not who is flying or how the model the model was built. It's for the drone delivery companies being able to fly where they want with the added benefit for the police to see who owns the aircraft. Not picking on you, I'm in the same boat, the AMA didn't have the deep pockets of the delivery business to pass a law in our favor. I'll be posting a video in a few months about this with more information on what we can do as modelers.
@@tomconte2847 The difference though with scratch built is enforcement. Enforcement is relatively easy on the manufacturer but when the law starts to apply to hobbyists who build their own planes there is likely to be little to no enforcement.
Fun police are at it again. Putting a stop to anything that brings a smile to peoples faces
I'm a bit confused: how can DJI say they're all good (because they can implement it in software) while the RFC / format of remote ID is not even available yet??
(I don't know anything about RC so excuse me for any mistakes above)
Maybe they already released the frequency for the remote ID and DJI knows the radio equipment in the Mavic can transmit at that frequency. The exact packages and frequency can be changed in software.
Because dji already have all the back doors built in...its the ccp sop
FWIW - weight constraint (
I can see sub 250 eventually getting hit as well, bad news Bruce 😬🤔
How about the extra weight it adds to the model as well as the extra draw on the battery?
Simple, the people who make these laws don't care about such practical issues.
My question is, how can they enforce a law that is impossible to comply with?
At this point it's akin to passing a law that requires morticians to revive the dead to get their permission to prepare them for their funeral.....
There is one big loophole....
If someone, wearing a tea towel, wants to carry a bomb and drop it somewhere sensitive...no rules are going to stop it.
I’ll be okay as I’m old and Adams foam board is easy to get, I just hate it for the future.
My stomach just did a flip when you said "just 6 weeks from now". 😭 I dug around as deep as possible to see if we could do something in ExpressLRS, but I found exactly what you've said in the literally 2 documents the FAA has available so far. The UAV will transmit these specific things... somehow... to something...
And it need to able to be picked up by smartphones, with limited rf capabilities and power rating on wifi and Bluetooth.
@@mingchenzhang3113 I didn't get that "smartphones" part.
@@tedmoss FAA stipulate that however it is going to be implemented, it need to be able to be received and decoded by smartphones, owned by daily joes. But most smartphone supported wireless protocols need negotiation. I don't think most smartphones have the rf power to send back packet to UAV a few hundred meters away.
There might be some passive protocols like Bluetooth beacon, but it's support might be spotty in various brand of phones.
Anyway, it's just gonna be a headache to implement in such a way that it is compatible with most smartphones, especially older ones.
There are also be device security implications, such as opening doors for implanting virus on the receiving devices.
@@mingchenzhang3113 I think it will be an App that does all the work...
So will we be able to buy parts and build them. then register for remote id if i was to fly a drone over 250 grams.
If the craft is fitted with a FC and GPS using Inav will that work.
I'm just going to ignore this TBH. I think manufacturers will too. The question is will this actually be enforced? Perhaps this is bad news for companies like Horizon Hobby, they might get a letter, but I'm not sure the smaller shops will.
I definitely don't forsee a time when local law enforcement will notice you aren't compliant with remote ID and issue you a ticket.
But if compliance is absolutely necessary I think that you will be able to install a phone app for groundstation compliance and expressLRS seems to be working on natively supporting the aircraft compliance, which would be able to transmit aircraft position from the plane and also from the groundstation. All without added weight or expense. Except for a 10 dollar 5 gram GPS module I suppose.
Anyways, I'm not too doom and gloom about all this.
Give it 12 months and I'm sure we will see it implemented in Australia as well.
That long?
Yeeeeah, nar. Won’t let it happen. How will they police it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s a half arsed idea! So CASA will simply copy and paste the FAA’s documents, without a clue how anyone will be able to comply with the regulations, or who will enforce the regulations.
The catch-cry of government departments is
GOOGLE the answer… PRINT the documents… PAT yourself on the back… BLAME someone else for the mess…
eh.. drones have plateaued anyway so I'll just keep the ones I have left and change out the HD system if a better one comes about.
Never been so happy to realize that all my RC collection is 20 years old. Not a single fracking zero or one out of the whole bunch. 😁
Shall not comply.
Keep up the good work Bruce ! Love your channel! Hopefully some how common sense from the regulators will prevail and save this hobby??!
Nope. He's been fighting the regulations for 4-5 years at least. I suspect this whole business is to stop idiots from flying store bought drones into an airfield and shutting down an airport like what happened in... UK? If the 747 is listening for Remote ID enabled craft it can log and record the GPS information so the "perpetrator" is held accountable.
thank you for this info friend
Was just on the faa website and it's literally headspinning.
They claim there's an exemption for "recreational flying" BUT, if you read the statutes, it still requires registration, which in the end, still requires remote id.
Even better, their own (FAA) website, has a convenient "link" to the exact specs of remote ID, which of course is conveniently BROKEN.
All I can read is the part that explicitly states that you are exempt for recreational flying. Period, end of story. Stop reading or you're in trouble 😂.
Posted Monday, July tenth, 2023.
The founding fathers unfortunately didn't know about RC planes, otherwise they would've protected that freedom too from government overreach.
Put a gun on it. Then it's 2nd amendment, Even the religious extremists, especially the religious extremists, will fight for you... 😉
If we strap guns to our drones they would probably be less regulated.
@@cornbreadcuban5456 yep i was gonna say that hahahaha
That’s why we have the 10th amendment.
Besides, police don’t enforce “rules”, they enforce “laws”.
@@cornbreadcuban5456 why, not, with the recent supreme court decision we could argue that drones are protected under the second amendment and therefore registration of said drones is unconstitutional.
So we lost some how tracking a 10 year old on private property is now constitutional USA. I wont be using these on my private land. IF the FAA wants to fight sure come at me bro! 😂 I totally respect this tech use in a commercial setting but forcing children on private property to broadcast their location is my issue and clearly unconstitutional.
My non-compliant fleet, backed up by a good supply of spare parts, will be flying rogue for many years after September 16th. The FAA can go pound sand.
I had to build every kit I bought back in the day and still prefer to build
I'm betting that DJI lobbied for this and already has it ready. It would give them a huge advantage and they know it will crush the competition.
"Rules are meant to be broken"
Next will be Frisbee's & Golf Balls!!
cheers Bruce 👍
I don't think anybody is gonna care about remote id. Maybe in city limits. I think it's something else they won't have the manpower to enforce. I'm still waiting on the knock at the door for not having a ham license.
Yeah but companies are the bigger target. As a regulator it's easier to enforce something at the source rather than track down every citizen.
Yeah, it’s bad.
The thing with the AMA is that the FAA has yet to recognize them as CBO’s, or anybody else as such.
That means that the FAA only has to treat them as a single citizen.
Now, tell me that’s not deliberate.
The thing with remote id and new model purchases is that the FAA requires a serial number be assigned.
That mean manufacturers have to keep detailed records, like forever.
So, your remote id is only good for that aircraft, or drone if you like.
The FAA’s promise is that once they recognize CBO’s, that is a safe zone, so to speak, from id.
However, as somebody who has had to deal with the FAA I’ll predict this;
That the FAA will bury the hobby in FAR’s until it’s dead.
My plan, wait until somebody at the club wrecks, salvage his id unit, tape it into a frisbee and fly it in the park right next to the FAA office!
That last comment about the frisbee made me laugh. Let's all get frisbees with RID and swamp the local parks with them. 😆
LOVE it! I'll toss the first Frisbee!
Unfortunately you're 100% correct, Bruce. 😕
Let's see what happens...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Bruce is 100% incorrect. BNF models do not require to be fitted with RID by the manufacturer.
In the early years of motorcycles we birthed the outlaw biker...
Now I'm also an outlaw flyer ;)
Thanks for the information and keeping us up to date. Seems the hobby is dead. As I suspect other countries will follow same path.
The fact that the UK is not first to do this is shocking.
The sad thing is now that RDQ has failed the world will follow..........
Country after country.
And then how long until sub 250 is included
As an Australian, is now a good time to be getting into the hobby? Are prices about to drop or skyrocket? Will spare parts still be avalible?
hi I was involved into a drone defence system.
I then flew a Ranger 2000 with Dragon Link. To my surprise my Futaba TX who was transmitting on 2.4G got caught by the defence system and we could see the typ of RC I used (Futaba). We also saw position of the Pilot too without transmitting GPS data.
That is all technically possible but not cheap likely and won't be widely used imo
As I understand it even sub 250g drones require Remote ID if they are used under the context of a Part 107. So I have no idea how all of the US based FPV CZcamsrs are going to survive unless they just continue to do review and technical type videos without showing any actual flying footage.
I just asked the question regarding my DJI Mini, this is insane.
You will be able to add a remote ID module to any drone and be compliant for flights just like now. I don't see why the CZcamsrs can't do that.
@@ItsBlunty Yes, content creators of the larger quads will be fine doing what you said, but someone flying sub 250g quads or micro quads like Nick Burns and Mr Shutterbug are going to struggle to put a Remote ID device on a quad which is bigger than the quad itself and/or which doubles it's weight. Of course, anyone can just say they had a Remote ID module installed during the flight and the FAA will be none the wiser unless they fly in front of a mirror. A lot of content creators currently fly BVLOS (behind / around their house or other buildings) and/or without a spotter even when they are clearly visible in their own FPV feed without one and they seem to get away with that. So maybe it will be the same with RID modules and they will just take their chances.
@@snowleopardfpv doesn't make sense to have RID for under 250g. Maybe Part 107 is needed for commercial purpose, so that will be the only thing that micros youtubers need.
@@numberjuanfpv Remote ID doesn't make sense full stop IMO on any quad. If you check the RID regulations you will see that any drone flown under the context of a Part 107 requires a RID device fitted to it regardless of it's weight, so that includes whoops and sub-250g quads. Yes, it's completely nonsensical but that is what the regulations state.
Will this apply to my Mini DJI? This is insane.
Absolutely!
Thanks Bruce!
Interesting. I was under the impression many small aircraft didn't even need transponders under the FAA. Seems RCs are being held to a higher standard than full size full weight aircraft, no?
You missed one important thing about American politics…for a rule to go into effect it needs to be enforceable, and then the courts need to agree with how you enforce it. The FAA will be choosing their battles carefully with this one.
Insane what's going on these days 😔 And even when the manufacturers are making stuff sub 250, there will be regulations for that, too.
Unfortunately when a hobby is small enough regulatory capture can just run them over, because the larger population doesnt know, care and is easy to trick with propaganda.
Yeah, when the 250g rule was made, they probably thought their would be such a niche existence for those drones. Drone manufacturers really proved them wrong. There are quite some capable fpv drones that size and DJIs mini models are quite impressive for flight time and camera quality.
In Europe the sub 250 is meaningless since drones with cameras need registration and insurance anyway.
Look on the bright side, there’ll be a lot of bind and fly bargins coming soon lol
Sir Bruce's crystal ball is working well
You might want to look into how recreational vs commercial is handled in the U.S., Bruce.
As I understand it from the 1st Amendment auditing community the whole process of filming (i.e. in this case building) can be recreational even if you intend to put it on CZcams because that in itself is recreational.
If CZcams then afterwards monetizes the video only then will it become commercial, disconnected from the act itself.
The FAA has said that if you're monetizing a YT channel then you need part 107 and they have warned quite a few CZcamsrs about this.
@@RCModelReviews And FAA is right they earn money of off UAV operations so they fall under commercial operation requirements.
Over regulated it is - what a shame!
Does remote I'd apply to birds? Similar weight and have random flight paths.
Good ole days of building model gliders from plywood, cutting wing ribs one lightening hole at a time.
These times are really becoming a challenging time. We can’t fly toy airplanes, we can’t make changes to our cars to make anything custom or hot rod style. They’re going after our guns. The shelves in the stores are empty. Can’t afford to fill up my truck with $5/gal gas. Our freedoms are being taken everyday. The list goes on & on. Amazing how our gov has turned on us.
"They are Going after our Guns..." !! Ahem !! you can be a jingoist dickhead, unless someone dear of yours is killed in one of those countless Mass Shootouts! I just dont understand the Mental Disease of Americans to have Automatic Guns ! Like Covid, they should have made a "Shot" for it .
Spoken like a true trumpanzee. In my state there is no vehicle inspection you can do whatever you want as long as you have the basics like windshield etc. We have no gun restrictions. Women have the control over their own health. I seriously doubt anyone will care if you fly RC and gasoline is down to $3.50. Maybe you should move to another state but then you won’t have reason to complain.
@@sladelefty BS !
A gallon is about 4 liters. Here in Oz we are at about $1.50( or more )/l. so about $6 a gal.
@@sladelefty what state is that...state of denial?
"Comply with our rules".
"OK, so what are these rules?".
"Erm........... Shut up, and comply with our rules !".
All sounds a bit "CZcamsish" to me. :D
To me this new RID law feels like it's all part of a plan.
It will bankrupt a lot of the low volume model retailers or manufacturers who have big money tied up in soon to be unsellable inventory, and this will help clear the field for bigger "Government friendly" manufacturers. My guess is that somewhere down the line the government will start insisting some other piece of technology will need to be implemented, but this time the tech will have to be licenced. Big companies will be able to spread the cost of this licence over the tens of thousands of units they sell, but the remaining small companies will be faced with either drastically increasing the price of the few thousand units they sell a year, or closing down production entirely.
that's how you establish a monopoly (or oligopoly).
I suggest 'The Myth of Capitalism' by Tepper and Hearn (2019)
There are two rules, One, you don't write on the walls and two, you obey all the rules.
(Porridge).
Hey mate, did you ever make a video on how to set up 3d mode on transmitter aka dji style throttle where its centered
The loop hole for manufacturers to not have to put standard remote ID in is to simply sell ARF (Almost Ready-to-Fly) models, planes, drones, FPVs. But fully ready to go RC planes and drones will have to have standard ID built in or they are not allowed to be sold. Home made planes and drones and ones you built while they are not required to come with standard built in remote ID will require a remote ID broadcast module instead which you can buy and install. However the kicker is you can't move and share the same module across all your drones and RC planes. You would need a remote ID broadcast module for every drone and RC plane you have. No one knows the cost but I don't think they will be cheap. The only option if you fly recreational is to use drones under 250 grams as they don't have to have remote ID and are exempt from all these rules.
This is being brought in so DJI will own the market, this would require multiple companies to collaborate on protocols etc which will never happen
There's always a Good Samaritan programmer doing some open source shit. Just a matter of when.
The rule only applies to unmanned aircraft manufactured after September 16 2022, so I don't think they'll be disappearing from shelves for a good while. After all most of the aircraft produced in China take the slow boat to the US.
The rules are also written around the manufacturers and operators. It's not clear to me how the regulations are enforceable for the retailer.
I'm guessing plug & play with be replaced by assemble, plug & play with the definition of homebuilt being stretched & tested.
The rule does not apply to ARF/PNP/BNF models. No changes are needed, and Bruce's uninformed drama is incorrect.
@@Mode1RC I'm glad others see it
@@Mode1RC If it doesn't apply to them, what does it apply to? Quote the actual regulations that back up your statement please.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 the regs don't state what the rules don't apply to. The RID final document is long, but relatively easily digested. There are three methods of RID compliance, and there is no explicit distinction made for vehicle completion level. Only that what amounts to RTF product has to meet manufacturer certification standards, which has the requirement of integrated RID. All other formats are RID compliant with the use of a module. And if flown at a FRIA, even the module is not required.
I bought a bong from a smoke shop but I only use it for tobacco like sign in the shop says.
Thanks Bruce for this update. I didn't know this was coming so soon, and I am a AMA club president. This is all crazy. I guess I will have to become an outlaw.
Bruce has this really wrong.
An AMA club president isn't even in the loop of information. What does that say about the poor communication and organization of all this B. S.?
@@sagetx it says nothing, because what xjet is presenting here is fiction. So the club presidents are doing just fine without this 'information'.
This should be all over the news. This is overreach and unconstitutional. The media in America are bought and paid for!
@@airflowfpv7791 just days remaining until Bruce's end of times, yet hobby companies are still announcing BNF and PNP models. Several in the last 2-3 weeks. I wonder who has this wrong?
Spoiler: it's Bruce
I am so lucky to be flyting here in Thailand. I will not be bothered by the rules of an insane government.
And getting more insane here everyday friend