Is the FAA Killing the Hobby? - Remote ID Myths
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Remote ID is almost upon us. In September of this year, all UAS that are needed to be registered will be required to broadcast Remote ID. Much of the information and advice online is skewed and will most likely send you to jail if followed.
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PSA if you’re watching a video from someone who claims to have found a way to beat the system but isn’t a lawyer. They won’t be posing your bail or helping you with your fine.
Yes, we’re talking about remote ID
Not a big fan of RID, but less of a fan of the misinformation
In all reality, it’s going to be a mess (Plug), back then we talked about the FAA… Now some in the community are creating the mess
As we go into this, lets remember;
RID is about locating where the drone is flying NOW. Not tomorrow, next week, or month. Now.
Look at existing enforcement actions
$182,000 proposed fine, still flies like an idiot
Temporary/event FRIAs
CBOs for education & events…
Range is limited & FAA doesn’t actually check range of modules
Range is limited
Will people actually know about it?
Can you do it?
Even less who aren’t into drones
Yes, it is…
Part 91 doesn’t apply to commercial or recreational drone ops
You can’t declare an emergency and then take off… That’d be careless and reckless…
ADS-B & Requirements
$10,000
55 Airplanes
That’s interfering with the message of the module… which goes against 14 CFR Part 89.310f (we’ll leave a link in the description)
Heck, if you’re going to wrap yours in foil, we’ll save you a hundred bucks. Just fly without it and save the foil for your hat.
Yes, if someone wanted to be that guy, they could…
Just know if you think this is a good idea, that this would interfere with operations in the National Airspace System, which is considered infrastructure.
A deliberate act to disrupt that infrastructure is an act of terrorism…
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Doesn’t live in this country
Alright, this about wraps up what we’ve seen published recently about remote ID.
We’ll be complying, and we have a bunch of modules to test.
Let us know if you have questions or comments, and we’ll see you in the next video! - Věda a technologie
It makes no difference whatsoever, what percentage of the general public understand remote ID.
The Drone haters and criminals will understand it. That's what matters.
Agree. They may not know now because it doesn't exist but as soon as it does there will be shit all over the place and apps dedicated to track drones and youtube videos teaching how to do that. Why don't they put a tracking ID on guns? No one was killed with a drone. Yet, the regulations are crazy and stupid most of the time and haters range from the homeless people on the streets to big companies and corporates to city and state officials. How long it takes any one to operate a new device or navigate a new app? Not knowing now doesn't mean we are safe in the future
Bingo!
So far While legally flying my drones I have had 2 encounters with law enforcment officers or Rangers. In both cases I had to educate and inform them that my flight operations was legal. I had the relevant documents on my phone to show them. Most LEOs dont know the laws regarding flight regulations. I expect the same lack of local LEO training and mis information will occur regarding RID.
My friends a cop and he said he doesn’t know FAA stuff he wouldn’t know anything about drone laws it’s all federal
Bottom line here is that a LEO taking an action related to a drone is likely operating outside of there scope of training. Until state Police Officer training programs include federal law regarding drones, they will be limited to enforcement of local or state law.
Operating outside one’s own training and certifications can be legally actionable, and may be unlawful in some jurisdictions.
For the most part my experience, and a have a significant number of LEO friends and associates, safety and playing nice with others (avoiding conflict) are where they are most interested. If you are safely operating and can demonstrate that you are behaving in a safe and lawful manner you should generally be golden.
Exactly. Local municipalities are going to use this to pass unrealistic and unreasonable no fly laws as well. Say goodbye to flying drones in your town or city. Good luck finding a spot. Good luck participating in town hall and convincing people to vote in your favor.
This was such a terrible mistake
Want to get some cool shots in hawaii or in national park? Too BAD. Guess what they’ve declared the entire region a bird sanctuary. How about your back yard or your park or baseball field? Better check local municipality rules. Crikies mate
@@jonathonmontgomery2535 Isn't it amazing that we have to comply with a law or regulation that the LEOs know nothing about it?
Remote ID is a horrible solution to a non existent problem. Whatever you choose to do, just fly safe! The faa doesn't have drone cops out looking for drones to "pull over". Unless you've done, or are doing something really stupid, local law enforcement couldn't care less!
The spoofer ideas look cool however, but definitely not near an airport!!
you're right, the FAA just doesn't have the man-power for policing this division of aviation. have a feeling RID will enable more automated enforcement tbh, since they will be recieving flight data in a much more legible format that integrates with their system. with that said, I'm sure the backend software is engineered to monitor the 1000s of flights every day at scale, and dispatch warnings/fines/etc accordingly with this more enforceable data via snail mail, email, drone zone portal etc.
What does spoofing mean
Greg did not accurately explain ADSB requirements. If you're interested just search for "when is adsb required".
He also failed to mention that pilots of manned aircraft or not vulnerable on the ground like remote pilots.
We have a video on the channel explaining ADSB in detail.
The difference between ADSB and RID is that the pilot is aboard the aircraft safe from perpetrators and the other is not, respectively.
Indeed
It would be nice to be able to block the pilot information the same way the FAA allows aircraft’s to block their information.
I was under the impression that law enforcement or the FAA would be the ONLY ones who could see the operator location and that civilians would only see the drone information. I may be wrong though. I guess someone already using RID would be able to clarify that.
@@2bigrailfans724 My understanding is that the pilot location will be broadcast along with the registered owner of the drone. I suppose time will tell after it’s actually implemented.
I have a drone locating app. Always says 0 drones around lol.
Perhaps RID won't totally kill the drone hobby, but it will certainly shrink it quite a bit.
oldguyFPV says: Good!! More room for me to fly!!
I agree but it is actual worse. It kills the whole RC flight hobby and just not drones. In fact, people who use it to take photos/video are less affected than all the other pilots.
@@ghettorecording2925unironically though, the fudds think just like this. The radio fudds are ultimate scum and RID fudds will be terrible for the hobby
@@ghettorecording2925 ....while in the meantime any RC related product will be getting discontinued or doubled in price. But you are happy because you'r already old, have stocked lots of spare parts and now it's other's problem.
@@miquelmarti6537 In the meantime, I'm fighting for my constitutionally protected rights, and you're not! I will not comply with an unconstitutional law or an unconstitutional overreaching government bureaucracy. I fly freely, baby!
I've heard MANY people with CZcams channels say, "the time to make your voice heard was back in 2019!" Well, drones and FPV are a fairly new hobby and MANY of us just now getting involved. I bought a DJI Phantom back in 2015, but soon sold it, and only got back into the hobby last summer. Those of us who have gotten into it AFTER 2019 don't get our voices heard and that's probably 50% of everyone involved in the hobby today! So, I get the point, but it doesn't apply to many of us.
Also, the spoofing devices will be used by bad actors, for sure. But those in the drone community who are considering using them seem to be talking about spoofing multiple drones in the general area where they are actually flying as a way of invalidating which one you are and where you are standing. If an aircraft (medivac or something) needs to fly in the area, I would hope those spoofing would land their own aircraft and stop the spoofing for safety purposes.
The pourpose of spoofing is to invalidate the system itself. Nobody will trust it if it's not 100% dependable.
Agreed that's such an ignorant thing to say, well where were you before? I didn't even know this existed before??
Certainly is keeping smart kids from getting started on their own, or with other smart kids. Cities like Los Angeles are doing their upmost to kill the hobby across the board, banning flying from every city and county park (with the exception of two parks in the 10000 square mile area), and every school playground.
Bro... Drugs addict are more profitable to the state. What do you think. California killed EVERY hobby anyone ever had in that state that's fun or mentally good just to get outside...
Including riding a dirt bike in the desert!! LOL SMH
That's why most of the flight videos you see are in office parks, parking lots, abandoned buildings, and construction yards. If you make it illegal to fly on public property, then folks will just fly on private property with/without owner permission. Being asked to leave because you're trespassing just means going to the next private property down the road. Brilliant consequences of shortsighted lawmaking.
@@AchronTimelessthe problem is that cities and states can indeed enact such laws. This comes down to the basic construct of law in the US, and of the Constitution. It is conceivable that an entire state could become a no takeoff zone, which would effectively stop legal drone use. This is where our voice as citizens and our vote will matter. If our lawmakers are blocking something that should not be blocked we need to follow the process and do something about it. Otherwise we may someday be faced with drone friendly and drone unfriendly states.
I'm taking the clueless route, "Officer/FAA/Karens what is this RID you speak of?"
Correction - less than 50% of GA aircraft in the US are fitted with ADSB, and that before you add in all the utltalights, powered parachutes, hang gliders etc
Yeah this is a lot of one sided speculation. On your point he's just flat lying. The rest of the time he's making baseless claims. "They're just gonna grant FRIAs". Are they? I'm aware of many denials for fully compliant spaces. "Nobody's even enforcing these rules". Yeah until one idiot makes a viral video and the government overreacts and indiscriminately clamps down on everyone for show, like they always do. Think about TSA. We heard all these same rationalizations about that and they are all laughable now. This video is not only not informative, it borders on being misinformative.
As a 30 year Commercial rated pilot and a CFI, I cannot believe the extent of overreach exhibited by the FAA with this whole RID implementation. I'm just getting back into RC and as I dig into this, my hair is blown back by he lunacy I am seeing. Forcing people to install broadcast ID systems in their RC aircraft (in particular airplanes, helicopters and gliders) is absurd.
I can fly a full size airplane anywhere in the US below 18,000' outside of B, C, or D airspace without an electrical system, radio, or any form of ADSB out equipment. ADSB out is not even required in class D airspace (typically regional airports). I can fly coast to coast without talking to anyone...taking off and landing at any non-towered airport I choose (and there are over 20,000 of them vs 500 towered airports). With reasonable limitations on how close the aircraft can get to people and things, I can operate out of any open field I choose. Ask any bush pilot about that.
But HEAVEN FORBID if I take my 1.5 lb Mini Sportster electric RC airplane out into the country...away from the whole world...and fly it for fun with one of the grandkids!
You know, the thing is that the FAA doesn't have the wherewithal or resources to enforce any of this. The whole thing is a political scam...designed to make some government bureaucrat look good on TV and in front of Congress.
This is just a precursor to the demise of all the other aviation rights we enjoy in the US....just like Europe where there is virtually NO general aviation and hardly one square foot of uncontrolled airspace. Pilot Institute....be aware. All is not rosy with this.
I think you did not consider in the near future when the RID signals are collected over a national network…then anyone with an app will be able to see pilot and aircraft… like the flightware app
Yes, it's so much worse than when we first heard about rid, has always made me suspicious of the people "oh it's not that bad just go along with it", and everytime it would get worse you'd hear the same thing... It's the whole boil the frog slowly tactic. Meanwhile I could go buy a gun legally with less fuss then flying a toy in my backyard
When it comes to actually flight locations where you don't have to use RID are far and in between. Almost none existent or very far away! I live in Carson City, NV and the nearest one I see is NE of Reno, NV. I know a couple locations you can fly planes that are much closer, but they are not approved RID free locations either. Making drones fly where people fly their planes. Oh, boy I couldn't imagine what could go wrong there?
Hi. So far I haven’t be able to find a Remote ID module/transmitter/device for my DJI Mini2. What is the module that you mentioned on the video that costs $60 and where can I get it?
Thank you!
UAS Sentry has the capability to capture and store flight data, where stored flight data can be viewed similar to adsb exchange for manned aircraft. UAS Sentry is consumer driven and not restricted to governmental agencies.
overall i like the video. but my drone will be more dangerous once remote id goes into effect. it will force me to turn my night flight from a 3 strobe operation to just one strobe. (weight limit) The biggest F-up of this law is not making a grandfather clause. You compared remote ID to ADSB, fair for current production, but airplanes without a native electrical system are not required to have ADSB. The faa does not force them to have an ADSB with aftermarket battery. but I am being forced. Remote id is a bad law for many reasons.
Yep, agreed, a grandfather clause would have helped.
Its not about the spoofing. It about an 8 Dollar device which can be dropped anywhere and create fake drone on random, with stolen RIDs. If something is that easy to spoof than RID is not about safety and security , but its a dangerous system which should be stopped before it gets messy! It would just take ONE! person with a bunch of this devices and it could render a huge portion of the airspace useless. Just think about lawsuits that can come out of this. People who wanted to comply (or companies) got their IDs stolen and now have to prove that the were not flying ... This problem could have been avoided easy if they added a bit more security to RID, but they chose not to do that ...
For what its worth, your flight data is recorded on the aircraft itself and sometimes/optionally in the controller. DJI probably has a copy and it appears to be an option to automatically upload it to DJI; you should probably assume that this is the case. Anyway, if you can prove where you were flying, you have also proved where you were not flying.
@@thomasmaughan4798only if you’re flying a pre-made flying camera tank! 😂👍
I am a Commercial Pilot, a CFI, CFI-I, Advanced Ground Instructor and a part 107 Certificate holder. That said... I wil put my next paycheck on the line that if a terrorist is going to use a drone for dastardly deeds it WILL NOT have remote ID in operation at that time, and so, if the purpose is for that reason... it is doomed to abject failure. I've squawked ID codes and/or ADSB signals since 1983. I don't have any problem w/ the requirement but it would seem that the requirement should match the ADSB rules. Not be necessary for rural area flight away from Class B, C, D airspace, or flight below 401' AGL. Keep up the good posts Greg.
Remote ID as a national security tool is not going to work for sure! And yes, RID should be only necessary in complex airspace.
I wonder if the next manned flight terrorist will have a pilot license?
Its just like TFRs, if someone is actually being legal but has bad intentions that TFR is not going to provide enough time to stop an aircraft that makes a sudden 90’ turn and dives to the target. And then if the pilot actually has skills and does not make a straight line approach they will be successful.
Hence, this RID for a 1lb foam or 2lb balsa aircraft is even more useless. This is just FAA nonsense. Yes I can understand it around B & C, but the distance restrictions already provide a buffer. What tees me off is that I’m 67 and started building and flying models when I was 11. So we get gyro-stabilization and DJI quads and people that have essentially no true interest aviation can now go buy a quad and fly the thing down the street to harass someone or over someones fence to spy on them, or do asinine stuff like lets see how high this thing can go when they live under a final approach path to major airport. And now here we are, once again the few bad apples ruin it for the many.
Good information, in the past you mentioned that you were going to do a video on the actual RID modules that are available, any updates on this video?
Holding off my purchase as some of the ones being shown seen like a rush to the market.
Yes, we are waiting for a few more modules to arrive so we can test them.
Do sub 250g drones flown for recreational purposes need to be remote ID compliant? Could I turn off the transmitter gps on my DJI mini 3?
One of the reasons I'm in no hurry to take my exam if I even will. My location privacy should be protected. Also iphones are less than 30% of the market so about 71% of phones can detect RID.
According to multiple sources, iOS shares in the United states are around 52-55% vs 40-45% for Android. 72% is globally, but the percentages are different in the US.
@@PilotInstitute makes me sad for America
Not all Android phones will detect RID. Depends on the model.
@@PilotInstitute So why even have RID if it won't even work or it is so limited? I think there is likely an ulterior motive since I don't think the people at the FAA are that stupid.
@@PilotInstitute Found a corroborating article from last year that says 50%. iPhone usage.
I have a two-year-old Android phone that picks up RID intermittently. It definitely doesn't track the drone. The drone has to be within about 300 feet. I sat outside my garage and flew the drone at about 75' AGL back and forth between my barn and the property boundary. The closest it came to me was about 50 feet. The phone detected the drone at first, and then lost it, and didn't pick it up again until I stopped it and rotated the drone on its axis 360 degrees. Karens and RID doesn't bother me much.
Excellent video! I just purchased a Roku F11Gim2. This drone comes with Remote ID and GPS navigation. Does this mean I can fly Beyound Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS)? If not, can I fly on my own property BVLOS?
Spoofing is a tool to fight against RID and to invalidate the trackers who collect and act on this information. It will essentially render RID useless and agencies would need to dedicate more resources to creating more tools for validation or stop using it because it will cost too much. Think of it as the same middle finger the FAA gave us when we voiced our concern over RID, when they knew it was going to pass for DHS and other 3 letter organizations.
Spoofing can have real life consequences, from stopping firefighting aircraft because someone is spoofing drone in an area, or stopping an emergency helicopter from landing to take some to the hospital from the scene of a crash. It will only force 3 letter agencies to drop Broadcast remote ID and push for network RID, which would truly hurt the industry and the hobby.
@@PilotInstitute YOU BET RID can have real life consequences! It's a poorly thought out idea, with shitty electronics. Admit it, Greg, you are out of your league on this issue. A lot of us out here work with electronics, and have for our entire lives. RID will DIE. It will cease to be... but we won't forget how you disparaged your fellow airmen, Greggy. LOL.
@@LuMaxQFPV Of course it will have real life consequences. We've said it before, and we've told the FAA that too in multiple meetings! Sharing the location of the pilot with the general public is a horrible idea. RID won't die though, it will evolve, and it may not be for the best of the hobby or the industry when it does. 3 letter security agencies aren't giving up on trying to track drones, that's certain.
@@PilotInstitute You are absolutely correct, I'm not advocating for spoofing in areas where this might interfere with things you mentioned. All other places though are fair game, like local parks, sporting events, beaches, amusement locations, etc.
@@PilotInstituteultimately only a very small percentage of pilots will comply with RID. I know I won't. RID will fade into the sunset like the useless government overreach that it is. And you've made yourself out to be a fool with this video.
Please tell me where they are selling self contained approved RID modules for $60? I fly advanced toys that only cost $50 - 75, that is until I learn to stop flying into the ground.
$66 for a Holy Stone on EBAY....Just bought one. 2/15/24
Are there really going to be millions of remote ID modules available to the public at less than $50? Or any price? Couldn't you say that mandating a technology that isn't available, a criminalization of the activity. It would be like mandating new license plates for your car, but they are only available from a small company in the Czech Republic.
The price of RID will drive compliance rates. $50 is too much, as you said.
I have yet to see a remoteID module for less than 90USD, and that was a promotional deal on a module that didn’t even come with the required antennas.
I can get a whole flight controller stack for the price of the government tracking device. Wonder which I’ll buy
Great video, Greg. Thanks for sharing.
Can you provide a link to the video on how to check a DJI Mini 3 Pro as having and in compliance with RID? Thanks again for an informative video
uasdoc.faa.gov/listDocs
What options do I have beside paying $200 for a remote id module (DroneTag) for my Phantom 4 Pro? Are there any other companies on the horizon building them before the September deadline so I can continue to fly legally. (I have my part 107 certification)
Standby, there are cheaper options including one that's not released to the public yet. We are still evaluating them.
@@PilotInstitute Thanx for all your help with all things “drone” thru the years. I very much appreciate it.
Bluemark is a complany making them - the range is $120-$150ish. I just ordered one to try on on of my park flyers.
The one issue about comparing RID with ADS-B is that it (ADS-B) is only required in A, B, C airspace. Not in Class G, where drones fly . We were taught in ground school to remember "G" by "Go-For-It", Uncontrolled.
For now!
Correction to Video , ADSB is available in ALL airspace. Period,, Once your transponder is on. It's broadcasting. No matter if your airborne or on the ground.
I am going to comply because of part 107. You know that one of the RID modules can accidentally go off at an airport? Especially if they are charged and ready to use. How will they determine that it was deliberate?
Precisely!
They can't and they will never rely on RID . That's why this is all BS. Airports have other means of detecting small flying objects in their airspace.
Greg, I have about 8 Fpv drones, currently taking your part 107 to become a better pilot but don't plan on trying to make money with my part 107. I understand if you have part 107 you have to have to have a dedicated remote ID for each of your drones, which will be expensive, I have 4 DJI drone, so I am haven't decided to complete 107 or not, maybe just stick with my DJI drone which have a system that could meet remote ID. Can you tell me if I will have to have dedicated remote ID for each drone if I compete part 107?
It all depends if you plan to fly under part 107 rules or not. You could be certificated but still fly under recreational rules, in which case you wouldn't need a module per drone. You can also have certain drones dedicated to flying under part 107 only.
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I did not know that, thank you I will continue with part 107, and hope dedicated remote IDs system become more affordable. Thank you
What he wrote. Part 107 is liberating; you can still fly under recreational rules if you wish. You probably ought to decide in advance of each flight what rules you will follow in case anyone asks. The FAA appears to be converging the rules so many of them are now the same anyway.
I obtained Part 107 certification to deal with my local situation, an untowered airport in Class G airspace. With Part 107, I fly freely, taking responsibility for separation of aircraft. In the old hobby exemption, anyone within 5 miles of an airport requires to *notify* (not get permission!) the airport; but if there's nobody to notify, then what? So Part 107 allows me to fly within 5 miles of that untowered airport.
Alas, DJI does not see it the same way. It's an airport. You Shall Not Fly! I'm arguing with them about it but we shall see. Class G all the way. So of course I listen on CTAF frequency and sometimes monitor ADSB but a lot of the light aircraft have no ADSB, seems to me it was mandatory, and military aircraft generally don't broadscast ADSB. Plus going mach 1 a few hundred feet above ground.
You overlooked that the RID system's existence opens up an attack vector for nefarious actors who do not give a hoot about legality.
If RID did not exist, then that risk is eliminated.
Where will racers practice? How will our new pilots afford the added expense of gps and a module? Will the bad or uninformed people be using remote id modules? Why does the public need to see our ground station location?
My problem would be i want to fly over there i have los and all the sudden rid stops working, then what does the drone come back does it land in place? Or hey dji has an update and now rid doesnt work right, you cant fly etc.
If RID stops functioning it won't stop you from flying, it might give you a warning that says: "land as soon as practicable", which is how it's written in the regulation.
For the people that have a part 107 and fly as a hobby it kills it for them. I have no fria, and all of my aircraft will require remote id even ones only used for hobby purposes so i cant possibly equip each one with their own and some are too light to even carry one, both small fixed wing and tiny whoops. That needs to be fixed.
I agree this needs to be fixed. Ridiculous that a $60 XK RTF plane I bought for my nephew isn’t legal now. As for the modules, I believe that you only need to register one module if you’re a recreational flyer and you can move that between your aircraft. I don’t think it applies to 107 though :(
@@harrisoncanningcorrect any UAV flown under 107 needs its own registration and own RID. Under recreation you can use the same registration and RID
I looked at both FAA and DJI web sites for RID compliance for the new Air3 but couldn't find it listed. I even called DJI for clarification and they told me the Air 3 is RID compliant but don't have it documented. Is this common for new release drones?
Yes it’s common for newly released drones.
What is the best remote ID module at this time? today be July 20 2023, because I am a DJI Mavic Air 2 owner , since 2021 and a Profesional Canadian Truck Driver , that fly under 44809 in the US ,and I think about either buying a module or the very last model , Air 3 Pro , by example. Thanks in advance.
ok, I Have a Mavic Air 2. the DJI page says it is going to be R.I.D. compliant. with firm ware up date and that it will not need a after market Mod. is this true?
Seems to be the case with other DJI quads anyway. It's compliant with RID after a firmware update (on the aircraft). But then you have to have the DJI Fly App on and connect your phone to the goggles. Otherwise you cannot take off. DJI said you could detach the phone from the goggles after take off. NOTE: once you update the firmware, there's no going back.
Thank you for the video!!
Hey Greg, if you're a certified Part 107 pilot and have a sub-250g drone (which has been registered for Part 107 flight), can you fly it recreationally without Remote ID?
The answer I've heard is that once it is registered as a Part !07 aircraft, it must comply with Part 107 which would include RID. Your options will be to remove the aircraft from your Part 107 registry, or spend a few hundred and get a second sub 250 drone for recreational flying. If it were me, and I used the sub 250 drone in a Part 107 operation, I would buy a stand alone drone of the same type. The batteries and controller would work for both.
@@frankmoreau8847 thanks Frank, I think that’s what I may do (buy a separate drone for 107). Mini 3 Pro is looking like a good option with its price dropping a bit in the market
I was flying a Mavic 3 over new construction a few miles from a small untowered airfield when I heard an audible alert about nearby air traffic. That's the first I have encountered DJI AirSense, an ADSB-IN receiver built right into the drone. That's amazing! I've been using a Stratus ADSB-IN receiver to spot suitably equipped ADSB-OUT aircraft, but in Class G rural airspace there's a fair number of airplanes not equipped so it almost isn't worth the trouble to break out the ADSB receiver.
But now it is built in! Ideal for those flights that happen to be in areas likely to have low flying (and ADSB-OUT equipped) manned aircraft. I wonder if AirSense also alerts on other drones?
You suggest before selling a drone with all your information on it, including Remote ID to restore it to factory settings ? Also, is Remote ID required for drones under a certain weight like the Mavic Mini ?
Definitely factory reset the drone before selling it. Deregister it with the FAA if it was registered too. RID is required for all drones except those under 250 grams flown recreationally.
@@PilotInstitute ~ Might be good info for another show ! I bought my son a Mavic Air 2 in 2021, with its optional smart controller. Are the past flight logs stored within its controller which needs to be deleted ? Also, heard the Remote ID has been extended until 3/24, true ??
I'm wondering how much these modules will cost? and how it will affect the dji mini-series as it would force people to increase the weight of the drone over the 249 grams?
It wouldn't affect them at all because of that very reason you stated; they are under 250g. So you don't have to strap a module on it unless you are flying under part 107 and in that case the sub 250g class means very little for you because you have to register and comply with rid regardless of weight. Oh and your comment doesn't apply to mini 3/mini3 pro or any future mini uav as by law they have RID built in. Only mini 1 and mini 2 have no RID. So if you were flying mini 1/2 under 107 you would need to register and buy a module, if you are flying rec then it doesn't matter.
I'm a pilot and I don't have ADSB OUT, it's not required in order to fly at untowered airports, you don't even need a radio. There are several estimates that are more than fifty thousand aircraft out there without ADSB. FAA D
does not compile that information at all.
with all the rules and regulations i havent flown my drone in over a year. its so confusing and do net even know if i can legally fly now. what a waist of money in my opinion .
Very Good points Greg, but you lack the law degree as well, but I completely agree that the cheats and hacks can be a quick path to real problems. There will be an impact to the hobby with the AMA (their words) limiting the FRIA locations and reducing the clubs, this may turn out more unknowing folks getting hobby toys and going off on their own not knowing.(what started it all) The FAA failed to do a realistic risk assessment of what parts of the hobby are real risk, and they applied risk mitigation tactics of the FAA is a hammer and everything looks like a nail. I enjoyed your line of the tin foil hatters, however most of those were in comedy / sarcasm. However, not everyone takes it that way to your point.
I lack the law degree but I'm not telling people to go do stupid stuff that's going to put them in jail. ;)
As far as the AMA, they had a seat at the table during RID back in 2019, their representative decided to remain silent for most of the proceedings. I watched most of the live videos of the meetings that were made public.
I do agree with your assessment of the FAA's action and who should have been included in RID but I'm 99% the FAA had little say over what the final version of RID turned out to be.
@@PilotInstitute Is your "tin hat" thinking it was all political? --> I know mine thinks that as well. 3 letter agencies can have their quirks as well.
@@CentralPaRcFlyingDays Pretty much!
@@PilotInstitutelying to an officer is a federal crime 🙃
They can lie to us, but we can't lie to them, what bs is that?!
@@sylaswojciechowski6895 Yep, hence why you shouldn't do it. Ever heard of sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek?
Great video. It will KILL hobby. No one is going to feel comfortable getting into hobby and doing this amount of registrations or putting themselves at risk. The local municipalities will also enforce unreasonable no fly zones, which will be scary. I don’t know if I’m allowed to test in my backyard or in my park. I don’t want to risk it.
From a national security perspective the USA does NOT have a monopoly on drone technology and use, if anything they should encourage drone hobbyists or we will just be a second rate garbaj drone manufacturer that uses ones from Turkey and Israel. Our government, or the ones requiring this sort of protection has more than enough technological power to disrupt and destroy UAS. Cbp is a great example
Municipalities can enforce no takeoff and land zones, but they can't enforce no fly zones. Everything above the tree tops belongs to the FAA
I've been out of the DRONE loop for a minute. What "devices" are necessary for RID in September? I run a DJI Mavic 2.
The FAA has a list of compliant drones. Google "FAA Remote ID Find your aircraft Declaration of Compliance"
Anyway, Mavic 2 is not on the list. DJI might be doing some firmware updates to fix older models but as of right now, it isn't compliant.
Great information Greg from you and your team at Pilot Institute. Appreciate the support you provide the community. Unfortunately, the knuckleheads will continue to put out garbage content putting us at risk. Am I a fan of RID in its current iteration? Of course not. We need to maintain a collective, consistent and responsible voice going forward, instead of moaning and groaning. A great step is to support the Drone Advocacy Alliance. Thanks again.
"i'm not a fan of mis-information", then continues to spew mis-information for 10 mins
Surprised you made it through all 10.
They have made trying the hobby very scary it's been 2 weeks and the 250 gram drone I just bought is still sitting on the table.
Thanks for the video very informative
Does the DJI mini 4 Pro has RID already built in in his program
Beauty way to go! Another superb vid
It will be very informative to make a video on the remote ID modules available with there range of broadcast.
Each week NFL films shows drone shots flying over heavy moving traffic in cities all across the country and the FAA takes no action.
Where can I get a remote id module for 60 bucks?
Rid still not required on uas under 250g?
Correct but only if flown recreationally. It is required if flown under part 107 for any drones.
It did kill the hobby here. Flyers did not like the first step taken which was excessive fine threats for not registering model planes. Our field closed, all nearby hobby shops closed including two Hobby Town USA stores. If forced me to fly quadcopters in random places which is more dangerous than flying at a flying field like we were doing. Pilots of full size planes knew where we were back then. I am the only one I know of still flying around here. In this area it would be foolish to broadcast your location to all the hunters we have in the area which hate drones. The good side of this location is that nothing will change because we are in the country where you can fly and no one knows it.
Like someone is gonna put a remote id in a drone and fly where they aren't suppose to be
Not going to worry about it , when I fly in my back yard it never gets above roof line , when I fly out camping, I'm out where no one is
I need clarity. I have DJI mini 2. My primary use for, it is to measure tree height for a non profit organization that I volunteer for…this is my chosen method to do the measurements and I do not receive any compensation. So in my mind this is non commercial. Because I am flying in tree canopies I use prop guards and because I takeoff and land in rough terrain I use landing gear. This puts my drone over 250. I have completed TRUST certification and my drone is FAA registered. How do I handle remote I’d for mini 2?
Gregg, you should call out the “so-called“ CZcamsrs by name. That way we will know which channels are giving out “misinformation”. That way we can be confident we are getting approved information from you. Name names.
They don't deserve it. They would get more views, which would make their video rank higher. I'd rather provide the correct information so that when you come across theirs, you understand who I was talking about :)
@@PilotInstitute I would really like to know who you are referring to.
CZcams itself recommended This Guy and it is pretty easy to decide who has the better character. It is a lot like CB radio versus Ham Radio; Ham Radio has more privileges and a lot more rules, and generally conforms to the rules. CB has basically only one rule (5 watts power) and it is THAT rule that has become a sport to see who can violate it the most. But the CB'ers believe themselves morally superior. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness ("you know the thing") for ME and don't get in my way.
@@thomasmaughan4798 Gregg should still point out who he’s talking about. No phantom villains.
@@cnyphotovideo "Gregg should still point out who he’s talking about. "
He makes his choice. You make yours. I made a choice too since I know who is being discussed. The Other Guy seems very rude and disrespectful; it serves no purpose to send viewers his way and it isn't an area where mutual respect or understanding can exist. The current rules, in their most simple form airplanes and helicopters stay above 500 feet AGL and drones 400 and below. All was well and good for a few years but automated delivery drones cannot operate in that environment. Obviously, free-flying aircraft with nothing are very dangerous to automated delivery. However, it is observed that ultralights need neither Remote ID nor ADSB and thus are invisible (electronically) to other aircraft. But as they are also much larger, automated delivery drones will doubtless be programmed to avoid ultralights.
What are the top 5 remote id systems for older drones so we can be compliant?
We are working on that video.
@@PilotInstitute yes!!
Dont comply
Am I going to be. Able to start my mavic pro original
Or is dji going to make the USA all geofense.
I fly rc airplanes and helicopters on FM radios can i tweek out engines and hover helicopters to trim them out before taking them to a flying field without remote ID. I liv 7 miles from a small airport. John
Punishing THE MANY..for the few BAD actors..FOR THEIR REVENUE or piece of the pie, ALL IN THE NAME of ‘safety’. And I might add, it only STARTS here. Once Regulations are initiated..they NEVER decrease, only INCREASE.
In the history of governments, every time a right was taken away it was never given back
1:08 yeah, because a "bad drone" is going to totally register itself before kamikaze into a building.
The big big big difference here is that I don't own a tall enough ladder to harass a pilot flying by his privacy is respected but mine is not and my certificate says I am an airman just like you
Great video. I just want a few tweaks. Under 250g exemption for commercial, and self built options for commercial. Also having the ability to put up a temporary fria through a system like LAANC would solve a lot of problems. Or just the option for waivers. You can get waivers for most other rules why not RID?
Yep, lots of great ideas here.
You can apply for a waiver for RID if you wish, it's the same process
@@dogjennings1171 It isn’t listed as a portion of part 107 that can be waived.
@@Shauny_D no, but waivers and exemptions can be sought for pretty much everything if you have a strong enough justification
@@dogjennings1171 i might try to file one for sub 250 flight that is indoor and outside on the same flight. it’ll be in october so could be perfect timing
i don’t expect to get it approved…
I disagree about sharing the location of the pilot going to be an issue. And the reason why I say that is that all it takes is one one person who is motivated enough to do all the research to find out everything they need until require all the tools to locate remote pilot in command, and then all I need to do is find one remote pilot in command and do what ever it is they were looking to do.
Thank you !
4:35 I bet it’s just a matter of time before a Flipper Zero app is made for the WiFi module.
I mean if you use squidrid on an ESP32 you might be able to make a flipper app that interacts with it since the PC can interact with the squidrid esp32 once programmed.
SquidRID can run on the wifi module already.
What do you think are the chances of all DJI drones being banned in the U.S.?
They will keep trying, but Greg said that the most recent bill just died on the floor. I haven't been able to find much more info on it, so I was hoping he would elaborate.
Thanks for your response. When and if you find out more info, please let us know. I am trying to decide whether to take my Part 107 Recurrent test or just sell my Mavic 2 Pro.
One or two more Chinese "spy balloons" flying over US territory and Congress will look for ways to "respond."
@@mick_d Mavic 2 appears not compliant. The recurrent test is free and almost easy so I suggest doing it even if you have no immediate need for it.
My Part 107 expired… man im so frustrated knowing i have to take that test and study for it all over again. Its been so long lol
Armando, you don't! Go to faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=677 and take the course and the exam, you will get a certificate of completion, which makes you current again for 2 years. Your certificate never expires, only your currency does.
Part 107 never expires. You just need to take the online course to get current.
@@PilotInstitute I did that two days ago. Takes about 2 hours. It is a lot easier than the initial test. 45 questions at the end of the training cycle.
My question. Will my Dji Mini 2 (I know the Mini 3's will require RID) have built in (software / firmware enabled) RID? Have not been able to find out for sure. Will I be able to fly recreationally (I'm not 107 certified, I just like to aimlessly bore holes in the sky) within the legal airspace areas and outside of the geofenced areas OR will I ONLY be able to fly from a FRIA location? I can't find a DEFINITIVE answer to these questions. So many differing opinions to all these situations.
Mini 2 flown recreationally doesn’t need Remote ID.
@@PilotInstitute mini 2 flown recreationally but +250 grams with accessories. I'll be happy if you can tell me I heard wrong
I always call the local PD when I'm going to fly. They have 0 problem with it. I literally fly next to the prison, and I call before I do every time. I've had cops come out and watch initially, let them try on my FPV goggles and stuff, they love it.
appreciate the continued great content Greg! Question & Sub-question for you: Do think RID will bring more fines/infractions for those who completely ignore airspace regs/proper authorization? Guessing with FAA recieving flight data in a much more legible & enforceable way, we could potentially see them dispatching warnings/infractions/suspensions/etc in a more automated sense via email/snail mail/drone zone etc. Since you're so integrated with the industry, curious if you've seen how RID enforcement on the back-end works.
follow-up question: do you think this will be an overall good thing for the working 107 pilot? Possible this could help 'weed out' the 1000s of operators who constantly fly illegally. These are the operators have never been great for the industry with their constant disregard for proper compliance & wildly underpriced work. thanks again Greg
The FAA can't issue fines and infractions based solely on a remote ID track. They need to put the pilot at the scene of the infraction, with either a witness or with an FAA inspector. There won't be any automated email or suspensions or anything of sorts because of that. If you are flying at an event which has a TFR (Superbowl, wildfire, etc) or busting airspace near an airport, then they will probably find you an issue fines. And the FAA likely won't catch up, someone from DHS will. For day-to-day operations, the FAA doesn't have the resources or interest to go after UAS operators.
We love your optimism. But, show us how RC product vendors sales have increased since Part 107. Most of my local RC enthusiasts have dropped out.
lol i love the comment about " Not paying bail "
5:28 Signal distance from iphone - Is that why there are some reports of performance degradation with the new remote id update (DJI FPV specifcally)? What happens if you're flying remote ID based off an iphone connection and you go beyond the distance of transmission?
RID is on the drone, not the controller so it has no effect on signal link between the station and the drone.
@@PilotInstitute Right from the iphone to the drone. I didn't mention the controller. DJI said "the phone needs to obtain GPS data from the mobile phone or tablet and then send it to the aircraft through the goggles." Also per DJI you can disconnect the iPhone after lift off and fly normally. Not sure how that's still compliant with RID but works for me. Thanks for replying and keep up the good work!
Thanks for the video. But I really don't understand if you are saying that Remote ID is not going to kill the hobby because FPV and Model Aviation people are not going to comply? or because the FAA is not going to go after people sending fines? Another question rise up: Ok, let's say The government is not going to go after non compliant. Is that because they don't want to, or because they simply don't have the resources to go after non compliant?
For both reasons quite frankly to your first and second points. Those who love to fly but don’t want to comply won’t comply. The FAA a won’t go after the average person who’s not complying. The FAA doesn’t have the resources. They’ll do the same thing they do now, which is to go after people when something major happens.
@@PilotInstitute Thanks for taking the time. Everything you say sounds reasonable to me. My only concern is if RID falls into the fangs of states or other institutions and they use it as an excuse to collect fines over local sketchy regulations. Another thing is I don't think anyone who will do a major airspace violation is going to be broadcasting RID. To me the only way to increase airspace safety is to enforce strict geofence to all drone manufacturers and also the system that warns you when an aircraft is approaching.
I blame the AMA for not being on top of this when these drones began to flood the market. And they were selling drones to the general public. That had no idea there were rules to insure the safety of those in the air as well as on the ground. Common sense told me not to fly near airports without having to be told.
Great vid...thanks! Playing Devil's Advocate here on RID: Karens vs Drone Pilot via drone tracking apps. As with anything that's new to the public, I forsee a many confrontations happening as public awareness increases about drone tracking apps, ranging from one side of the spectrum where the confrontation is mild (pilot is informing about drone, laws, etc) to the extreme end where confrontations may get down right physical. Yes, I will fully comply with RID on my end, but can I hold FAA accountable if RID ignites an incident where physical harm was the result?
Today I flew My DJI Mavic 3 Pro with a Drone Beacon Db120 Remote ID broad cast module Attached and was able to see all the drones position and flight info on my iphone 13 using the Drone Tag app. So someone with that app on an Iphone can see the drones position. My question is why the built-in RID on the drone was not tacking me?
Modules don’t share the pilot’s location, only the take off point.
@@PilotInstitute He's asking about the DJI RID broadcast, not the RID broadcast on the external device. iPhone hardware is presumably not able to pick up the DJI RID broadcast on Wifi, and the BT is also incompatible. Try an Android phone.
I'm a fixed wing flyer and it sounds like Remote ID is here to stay. I plan on playing by the rules. I don't exactly want to find out what happens if you don't play by the rules. I imagine this is paving the way for commercial automated flight (amazon delivery, etc). I think the likelihood is pretty slim you might ever need it or would get checked on it.. but I prefer not to find out. It's not going to ruin the hobby for me. I'll bet in a year or two every rc aircraft will have it built in or for folks like me that build planes - the radio systems will come with it. I can't see a bunch of people runnnig around with apps looking for "drones".. most people will probably never know that tech exists except for us.
You just answered my question I've asked for 2 years. How do u read remote i.d.? You cant
September is right around the corner. How do folks who use drones for mapping like the P4PV2 keep legal?
this was a pretty fair assessment - when it comes to acts of terrorism, you are correct. The concern is that bad actors, who wish to commit terrorism, may then do this to shut down an airport and cause damage to infrastructure. I haven't found anyone who suggested the average joe do this, but more of raising it as a concern that a bad actor could use this as a new attack vector against our infrastrcuture.
Great Vid again Greg!
I haven't seen anyone saying to use spoofers at an airport either. FACT: Spoofing Remote ID is 100% LEGAL! That doesn't mean you can't take a legal thing and do something stupid and illegal with it. But that isn't what Greg said. He should have said that Remote ID Spoofing is legal and great idea to fool Karens; just don't spoof at an airport.
Terrorism always is a good word to make unreasonable requests valid.. for the children, right?
Just upgrade the airports with anti drone equipment. It wouldn't be hard to do lol.
The FAA can't control manned aviation from breaking the rules. Last week at the beach there were two planes flying lower than my drone and one buzzed between me and my drone. The modules were supposed to be affordable. I'm not buying a module for a ten year old drone. $12 to $15 maybe, but no way for $350.
The price of the modules is definitely an issue. As far as the two airplanes issue, if you have footage and tail number, report it to the FAA, they take those violations VERY seriously.
Yeah no kidding, I was peacefully watching a sunset at the beach until warnings came up for an appraoching aircraft. Sure enough, show boating pilot blasts by at less than 400ft.
Greg, as you say, RID was not in the initial UTM proposal, but added for security reasons (IE terrorist or your famous “don’t be that guy”) reasons. I agree with most of your comments. But from my own point of view, I should not need to purchase two modules at $200 each (and unavailable) to Velcro to my older camera drones, certainly not if flying just over the tree tops or under FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. I certainly am not flying them in circle in a FRIA in the next county. My pet peeve with RID? I am supposed to use RID in a rural area, no airports for 10 miles while manned aircraft, private and commercial, are flying over my house at 1200-1500 AGL without being required to use ADSB. If I am not a bad actor, why should I be required to have RID in this situation?
100% agree with you!
How are you financially incentivized to defend remoteID? Does the Pilot Initiative gain from more people having 107 pilot training?
Remote ID and 107 have nothing to do with each other. RID applies to everyone, 107 or not.
If you turn off your GPS, how can they find out that you did that?
I don't think anyone is saying you should spoof drones around airports. It is just an easy form of terrorism that is likely to happen due to the RID rules. It is an ill considered aspect of RID and is a concern.
If you want to find a drone you can scan 5.8, 2.4ghz some even can scan for DJI signal so that is wide open tracking once you use FPV. It started with b/w baby video monitors back in the day and Wii controller mems gyros. LOL!
Those spoofing projects shows that a module can be built for less than $50.
Spoofing does not require an actual GPS *receiver* it is simply transmitting fake coordinates anyway.
@thomasmaughan4798 never said it was. But throw a GPS receiver to such an ESP32 project, along with an accelerometer (if the GPS receiver doesn't provide that) for detecting takeoff, and you've got yourself a module.
As a Operator I carry gear. NY drone weighs alot so I'm kinda limited. I wear lvl 3 soft body armor, glock 43x for sidearm. Knife. Misc other equipment. But I'm unable to carry a rifle