The Best Input Lag Settings You're Not Using

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  • čas přidán 23. 03. 2021
  • Nvidia Reflex? Ultra-low latency? Capping framerate? What about AMD's Anti-lag?
    Today we take a look at what kind of results you can expect, and when they might not make a difference at all.
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Komentáře • 997

  • @optimumtech
    @optimumtech  Před 3 lety +300

    New upload on the second channel also! czcams.com/video/Z4tbY2xhPF0/video.html

    • @haize9588
      @haize9588 Před 3 lety +7

      Finally, I was really seeking for your gameplay moment
      𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗮𝗶𝗺 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝗚𝗼𝗱 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹 𝘁𝗶𝗲𝗿

    • @nicelich
      @nicelich Před 3 lety +6

      Hello @Optimum Tech I would like to know is it Worth it to cap FPS to my 240hz and use g-sync? Or better get 250-300 FPS w/o cap and g-sync. I play Valorant and CS:GO

    • @optimumtech
      @optimumtech  Před 3 lety +25

      @@nicelich unless you’re GPU bound in those games, a frame cap won’t improve your input delay. In regards to G-sync, I personally don’t notice tearing beyond 240Hz, but it’s up to you!

    • @senseicheems3270
      @senseicheems3270 Před 3 lety +1

      @@optimumtech when is the next stream

    • @thomaszhu2277
      @thomaszhu2277 Před 3 lety

      Ali, do you think you could revisit the GTX 1080 Ti and compare it to more modern cards that released this year?

  • @IamKryptonite
    @IamKryptonite Před 3 lety +2120

    I love that you're into the competitive scene so you actually get what needs to be done to get the best possible settings and setup for competitive.

    • @levilima9925
      @levilima9925 Před 3 lety +191

      I dare to say that he's the ONLY ONE that could make a video like this in CZcams. Everyother major channel is either a casual player or not a player at all so we have no clue when they talk about gaming competitively.

    • @alenyx1589
      @alenyx1589 Před 3 lety +8

      @@levilima9925 so true

    • @StefanKamer
      @StefanKamer Před 3 lety +51

      @@levilima9925 I would say Battle(non)sense is the one to also note here, since he has been covering this type of content for quite some time now, and not only talks about System Latency, but also network latency as Network Engineering is one of his areas of expertise.

    • @eniff2925
      @eniff2925 Před 3 lety +1

      @@StefanKamer a5hun

    • @levilima9925
      @levilima9925 Před 3 lety +7

      ​@@StefanKamer Well said. He's a youtuber that's growing fast due to his unique usage in different scenarios.

  • @ZeroEight
    @ZeroEight Před 3 lety +842

    TL;DW: Play on low settings and enable reflex boost if available.

    • @motion2597
      @motion2597 Před 3 lety +12

      Thx

    • @aazxcasd
      @aazxcasd Před 3 lety +132

      Really? I thought this was some secret setting or cfg you have to set, jeez what a waste of time.

    • @sleekismboyz605
      @sleekismboyz605 Před 3 lety +4

      Low settings for old crappy gpus like mine

    • @tayxiloon
      @tayxiloon Před 3 lety +1

      how about the NULL

    • @alexeous
      @alexeous Před 3 lety +17

      or cap your framerate

  • @SaltyMaud
    @SaltyMaud Před 2 lety +163

    1. More frames = better
    2. Maxing out your GPU is bad.
    2.1. If you're maxing out your GPU, ultra low latency, or reflex will help reduce the penalty.
    3. Framelimiter can be set to a value your GPU can comfortably maintain, improving consistency and avoiding maxing out the GPU.
    (4. With G-sync you'll want to limit the FPS to your refresh rate, or ideally slightly below to avoid tearing from running _above_ your g-sync range.)

    • @whereiskrembo
      @whereiskrembo Před rokem +1

      real mvp

    • @MichaelHarto
      @MichaelHarto Před rokem +1

      You don't really have to cap fps to your refresh rate for G-sync. You can also cap it much lower. Example, 60 fps to 120hz, 72 fps to 144hz, 60 or 90 fps to 180hz.
      In case your pc can't perform as good as your monitor refresh rate. V-sync still working as intended on those fps. So you don't have to suffer stuttering when the fps dips.

    • @brianwong6562
      @brianwong6562 Před rokem

      Which one is recommended, the framelimiter in-game or GPU software? Thanks

    • @brianwong6562
      @brianwong6562 Před rokem +1

      @@SaltyMaud Thank you!

    • @ge2565
      @ge2565 Před 10 měsíci

      so if my monitor is 170hz and my GPU can get over 200fps but with 99% load then it will be better to just cap the fps to 170hz and enable nvidia reflex(bonus) for lower latency?

  • @julianstark9483
    @julianstark9483 Před 3 lety +177

    Mate, just props to you! This channel is awesome! So much info, so many practical tips here + the asthetics. Greetings from Germany! No time to play and build a gaming rig rn, but man, I have found so much inspiration here for when the time finally comes to build my own rig! Much appreciated!

  • @kcfish4862
    @kcfish4862 Před 3 lety +1465

    Jeez this man is getting more swole

    • @animegeek6118
      @animegeek6118 Před 3 lety +101

      Nah he just started buying tighter shirts🤣🤣🤣

    • @samisartawi
      @samisartawi Před 3 lety +28

      @xandis 37
      Hater be like 😂😂 jk btw

    • @DuBstep115
      @DuBstep115 Před 3 lety +9

      @@animegeek6118 he got fat

    • @Yulad_A
      @Yulad_A Před 3 lety +119

      @@DuBstep115 if he's the definition of fat damn I want to be fat

    • @DuBstep115
      @DuBstep115 Před 3 lety +25

      @@Yulad_A You can be muscular and still gain weight, its called bulking.

  • @Cuda_3D
    @Cuda_3D Před 3 lety +50

    oh heck yea. the entire reason i built a computer was for competitive shooters. Love that your channel is touching on this

  • @karnage_gamer
    @karnage_gamer Před rokem +8

    Your comparison with facts and practical application is definitely something I look forward to all my life when judging anything tech related. Great channel & all the best!

  • @julianpearce6869
    @julianpearce6869 Před 2 lety +189

    you are legitimately the only channel I've ever listened to. I undervolted my 5600x + 3070 setup and couldn't be happier with the performance. keep it up

    • @alecfortin6958
      @alecfortin6958 Před 2 lety +6

      Thats a great setup, thats what I had for a few months. Now I have a 3080 but tbh the 3070 seemed to be a much better combo for the 5600x. Given me a few issues probably related to power or sth bc I only have a 750 watt and the gpu and cpu both have aio’s.

    • @torodensson1331
      @torodensson1331 Před 2 lety +5

      Why did you undervolt it and what did it improve?

    • @istachi
      @istachi Před 2 lety +16

      @@torodensson1331 Temperatures. You can even increase clock speed depending on the hardware.

    • @djangojansen7648
      @djangojansen7648 Před 2 lety +1

      Which undervolt settings did u use for gpu. And do you use offset or static voltage ⚡️ on your cpu

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 Před rokem

      @@istachi i use a RTX 3090 at stock and a 5800X. I use a mesh case (air cooling, Noctua fans everywhere at low RPM) with stock frequencies and voltages with no temp issues (and i tested with prime95 and furmark separately for 1 hour each).

  • @Taterisstig
    @Taterisstig Před 3 lety +20

    Thank you for being a tech channel that gives Apex love! It's the reason why I subbed to you so long ago!!

  • @Adamtronik
    @Adamtronik Před 3 lety +5

    Great video! You should make a video about network and internet settings to address internet latency which is the other big killer for online gaming.

  • @redtesta
    @redtesta Před 2 lety +1

    great information. exactly the type of videos that need to be out there and how input lag is so critical

  • @Metaris
    @Metaris Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for the detailed testing. Good stuff.

  • @jPup_
    @jPup_ Před 3 lety +17

    Would love to see a behind the scenes of how you hooked the mouse up!

  • @magicbeanman772
    @magicbeanman772 Před 3 lety +8

    one thing good about reflex is the low input lag even with big fps drops helped alot when in certain fights i would go from say 240fps to 130fps

  • @originalsynestir
    @originalsynestir Před 3 lety +1

    Always love to wake up to your videos on the way to work !

  • @mj-7444
    @mj-7444 Před rokem

    I love your channel it’s very useful for things I find i need often.

  • @hiddencow
    @hiddencow Před 3 lety +249

    Interesting that the framerate cap looks to be the best method, as long as you have sufficient GPU power to cap it at a high enough FPS. The results at 6:09 is especially interesting with the capped lower frames having lower input lag even though the higher frame tests didn't come close to maxing GPU usage.

    • @kleinbottled79
      @kleinbottled79 Před 2 lety

      good catch

    • @donovanbryant5165
      @donovanbryant5165 Před 2 lety +16

      It's probably something to do with frametimes instead

    • @a.d2019
      @a.d2019 Před rokem

      Kinda late to the party, but in valorant uncapping my frame rate and making my gpu run at 95-99% actually reduces the total gpu frame time of mine. Which uncapped site at around 2ms of frame
      Time. When I cap it at my monitor frame rate it jumps all the way to 4/5ms. While having to work less and being at like 50/60%. So I’m kinda confused about that.

    • @Frinx2
      @Frinx2 Před rokem +1

      @@a.d2019 frametime =/= input lag
      uncapped(and gpu at 99%) = more input lag

    • @ivannvfx4808
      @ivannvfx4808 Před rokem +1

      so, having null and reflex off and capping fps is the best?

  • @jolness1
    @jolness1 Před 3 lety +27

    As a programmer seeing NULL threw me off.
    "Card + Nothing? Isn't that the first one?", I asked myself.

    • @thedeadliest4380
      @thedeadliest4380 Před 3 lety +10

      This doesn't just happen to programmers, it actually happens to anyone with a basic understanding of English language, believe it or not

  • @gcxxi1670
    @gcxxi1670 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you, I learned something new today!

  • @groovegcs
    @groovegcs Před rokem

    Awesome video man, thank you for your work and for sharing :)

  • @zenithii1882
    @zenithii1882 Před 3 lety +62

    One of the few Tech Reviewers that's actually cracked LOL!

    • @aver9744
      @aver9744 Před 2 lety

      hes not cracked. hes just a normal player lmfao.

    • @zenithii1882
      @zenithii1882 Před 2 lety +4

      @@aver9744 compared to linus, bitwit he is a god lol

  • @griffinrogers6057
    @griffinrogers6057 Před 3 lety +94

    Great video, would've loved to seen the differences with vsync, gysnc, and freesync as well.

    • @bigluc2491
      @bigluc2491 Před 2 lety +6

      i just turn them off for competitive, adds too much input lag in my exp

    • @weavercs4014
      @weavercs4014 Před 2 lety +21

      Never use any of them. Job done

    • @traaage7782
      @traaage7782 Před 2 lety +14

      Gsync is actually good to use. It syncs your gpu frames within your monitors range. Vsync is the one not to use. But freesync and gsync both will lower input latency by syncing your gpu with your monitor.

    • @Sam-zw2kp
      @Sam-zw2kp Před rokem +3

      @@traaage7782 Free and G-Sync also add a bit of latency. Not as much as V-Sync but it still does

    • @sIytendencies
      @sIytendencies Před rokem +1

      v sync increases the input lag in alot of the games i play

  • @DigitalAdvanZ
    @DigitalAdvanZ Před 2 lety +1

    Great video, Would love to see the difference for input lag of mouse + keyboard between plugging to monitor and PC

  • @akariakaza7721
    @akariakaza7721 Před měsícem

    Thank you. Very useful

  • @lekmannen9990
    @lekmannen9990 Před 3 lety +208

    I’m somewhat amazed that ”battlenonsense” is always abcent from the comments in these types of videos ...he’s the frickin god almighty when it comes to latency etc.

    • @christopherbeltran5020
      @christopherbeltran5020 Před 3 lety +23

      yea this video is still good but battlenonsense just put out a new one on this topic and its wayyy more detailed

    • @RiccardoLulli
      @RiccardoLulli Před 3 lety +9

      Battle(Non)sense is GOD when it comes to settings and new graphics technologies.

    • @mauree1618
      @mauree1618 Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for commenting now I have a new Tuber to follow.

    • @TaimatCR
      @TaimatCR Před 3 lety +1

      Ikr I was actually expecting him to mention his latest video on this as well

    • @eniff2925
      @eniff2925 Před 3 lety

      The real deal is a5hun

  • @Freaki91
    @Freaki91 Před 2 lety +4

    I allways used these settings.
    It makes gaming so much smoother.

  • @casedistorted
    @casedistorted Před 2 lety +2

    Great analysis.
    I had no idea reflex takes precedent over NULL if you have both on, great information to know 👍

  • @suprjudy
    @suprjudy Před 2 lety

    your channel is super blessed and dope. ty my friend

  • @heyguyslolGAMING
    @heyguyslolGAMING Před 3 lety +14

    Nice lil bonus for setting a frame rate cap can sometimes yield lower temps. My gpu was pushing up to 79C w/ unlocked frame rate. I set a cap of 118 (my LG C9 can only do 120hz) and that dropped my temps to 70-72C.

    • @natnaelabayneh7664
      @natnaelabayneh7664 Před rokem

      Hey. My laptop refresh rate is 60hz and I'm confused if i had to cap the fps at 60 or not cap it at all as 60fps ain't fair for competitive games.

    • @ge2565
      @ge2565 Před 10 měsíci

      @@natnaelabayneh7664 unlocking fps will reduce the input lag on competitive game but ur eyes will still only seeing 60fps because ur monitor can only show 60fps/hz so I think its better to cap ur fps at 120 so it still have the benefit with lower input lag and stable latency, but its if ur laptop can handle over 120fps if not then just cap it to 60hz

  • @aladdin9098
    @aladdin9098 Před 3 lety +5

    LOVED THE INTRO

  • @RizkyGusna
    @RizkyGusna Před 3 lety +2

    great explanation! great video! thanks

  • @ahvee2901
    @ahvee2901 Před 3 lety

    This video is absolutely fantastic thank you.

  • @hughlevantjames905
    @hughlevantjames905 Před 3 lety +14

    2 uploads in one day? Thanks Ali!

  • @jameszy12
    @jameszy12 Před 2 lety +6

    So from my understanding, the best way to use all your hertz (given you can reach it) cap the fps at your refresh rate along with turning on low latency, and if you can't reach say, 360fps with 360hz, then cap it at a reachable number like maybe 240fps to get less latency.

    • @dampintellect
      @dampintellect Před 2 lety +3

      Basically. Monitor Hz limit is best assuming you can consistently hit it without issues. If not cap somewhere around your average fps, I'd round it down as well. Say you are pulling 134 fps fairly consistently, I'd cap it at 120 instead of 144 so that your fps dips are less noticeable making fps more consistent and less visible stutter over all. Some games have occasional flickering issues that can be resolved by capping fps as well.

    • @blizardstorm9667
      @blizardstorm9667 Před rokem

      @@dampintellect curious if I should use nvidia boost, vs amd freesync premium (rtx 3070 gpu, and freesync monitor)
      As well as if I should keep my frames uncapped vs capped with frames going above 300, but falling down to 140-180 in firefights...

  • @userunknown2771
    @userunknown2771 Před 8 měsíci

    huge props to the testing

  • @stay_fr0sty
    @stay_fr0sty Před 2 lety

    Thanks! It worked actually!

  • @kingbaker
    @kingbaker Před 3 lety +82

    Wow I have a 3070 and this makes me feel good af I’m glad I went with this over a 20 series

    • @joeykeilholz925
      @joeykeilholz925 Před 3 lety

      Turing appears equally compatible (16 or 20 series)

    • @R4DIOACT1V3
      @R4DIOACT1V3 Před 3 lety +4

      Reflex feature it's available even on 600 series.

    • @timothyjn100
      @timothyjn100 Před 2 lety +2

      @@R4DIOACT1V3 That’s not what he’s meaning. He’s happy he has a 3070, not happy he can use reflex

    • @-keiskx1774
      @-keiskx1774 Před 2 lety +2

      @@R4DIOACT1V3 Jesus can y’all read?

    • @creativebusinessunit7506
      @creativebusinessunit7506 Před 2 lety

      @@R4DIOACT1V3 no ones talking about reflex!! Shut up!!!

  • @MouseLab
    @MouseLab Před 3 lety +35

    You could also use to show results with adaptive sync/frame cap, and add CSGO to the chart. ;)

    • @diegow7504
      @diegow7504 Před 3 lety +3

      Yes we need more data on csgo

    • @rajyavardhansingh4491
      @rajyavardhansingh4491 Před 3 lety

      Will I get 144hz on Apex with 1060?

    • @SteelRider
      @SteelRider Před 3 lety

      @@rajyavardhansingh4491 one of my friend play apex with 1060 6gb and he can't get 144 fps in 1080p
      you should probably check some benchmarks tho

  • @TrezyWopper
    @TrezyWopper Před 5 měsíci +1

    It’s all about the GPU basically an where the Input of the monitor stands from the Calibration of the CPU and how much every GB of Ram can produce an entire class of Frames overall Well done mate I’ve learned a lot when I watch your videos 😅😊

  • @vladislavkaras491
    @vladislavkaras491 Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for the video!

  • @Gathlinka
    @Gathlinka Před rokem +16

    Hey @Optimum Tech I was curious if you have ever heard of a software called Timer Resolution? It is suppose to change windows timings from default 15.625 ms to the set 0.5 ms which decreases input latency (when set up correctly). With this on in game, the user is suppose to turn off raw input. It does feel like my inputs are more responsive and immediate but, I am not sure if it is just placebo or it actually works. I am also not really sure how to test this nor do I have the equipment to test it. This has really peaked my curiosity and I was hoping for some help.

    • @3jesus3christ3
      @3jesus3christ3 Před rokem +1

      bruh if you can feel an immediate difference in responsiveness its not placebo, of course timer resolution works :|

    • @master74200
      @master74200 Před rokem +2

      @@3jesus3christ3 nope, it could still be placebo. feelings are not facts.

  • @RequiemOfSolo
    @RequiemOfSolo Před 2 lety +19

    When you used a frame cap, were you leaving reflex on or off? I'm curious because for example the 3070 results in Valorant at 6:08 show an fps cap being superior despite 60fps less, and gpu usage being very low in all cases. Yet reflex/boost latency was higher still. This has me wondering if enabling reflex/boost in an fps capped CPU bound scenario could slightly increase latency? vs fps cap + no reflex.

  • @BetteBalterZen
    @BetteBalterZen Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome videos man!!!

  • @tjayplaygames6575
    @tjayplaygames6575 Před 3 lety +1

    Amazing video bro!

  • @SolSeal
    @SolSeal Před 3 lety +6

    What if you cap the framerate and use reflex boost or any anti-lag solution at the same time? Would it matter?

  • @TimLongson
    @TimLongson Před 3 lety +6

    I have a suggestion for a video: Full Tower vs Mid Tower - have full tower case manufacturers lost the plot? There are a huge number of"mid tower" cases which can fit three or more 360mm radiators at the same time. But if you look at "full tower" cases, which are supposed to be bigger, nearly all of those are designed for only 360mm radiators as well - at most they seem to offer one 420mm radiator slot, and even if they say they have multiple slots for 420mm radiators, when you check, they DON'T have the room to have more than one installed at a time! If mid towers are 120mm fan based, going up to 360mm radiators, then surely, by logic, the reason to pay the extra to go to full tower is to switch to quieter and more efficient 140mm fan based systems which can hold three 420mm radiators at the same time? If full tower doesn’t give full 140mm fan and multiple simultaneous 420mm radiator support (at least 3 at the same time), in the same way that mid towers already give full 120mm fan and multiple 360mm radiator support, then what’s the point in them even existing? Why would anyone buy them? Is it that much of an ask for get case manufacturers to add a couple more centimetres of room to fit these in so enthusiasts can have a zero thermal throttling solution to their overclocking top end thread ripper CPU and GPU custom water loops?

  • @manmeetpaul2336
    @manmeetpaul2336 Před 2 lety

    I learned something new, being extremely tech savvy , you never fail to amaze me with your knowledge as well as gaming skills.

  • @edge7087
    @edge7087 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video this is info that the masses need to know. Thank You 😊 On a side note love the monitor. What model is it?

  • @Almond843
    @Almond843 Před 3 lety +71

    the SFF gods have blessed up with a double upload in a day

    • @Zarar5
      @Zarar5 Před 3 lety

      Who is the other

    • @matthewnovak7351
      @matthewnovak7351 Před 3 lety

      Whats the other upload?

    • @Almond843
      @Almond843 Před 3 lety +1

      On his other channel

    • @Almond843
      @Almond843 Před 3 lety +7

      Sure thing partner. It’s called optimum plays. Just type that in the search bar. It’s got a picture of his adorable cat on there. 3 blocks down. You can’t miss it

  • @-Ambos-
    @-Ambos- Před 3 lety +5

    Would be great to see a 21:9 vs 16:9 Video again but with the newer tech. So is 21:9 with 160hz better than 16:9 with 240hz for FPS games? Two years ago you talked about a nearly unfair advantage of the wider field of view while you just called everything above 144hz a very small advantage. But tech changed and you are more experienced now.

  • @vulturex3265
    @vulturex3265 Před 7 měsíci +1

    thanks a bunch for the content

  • @loser3431
    @loser3431 Před 3 lety +2

    Love your vids, bro

  • @KaiSizzlink
    @KaiSizzlink Před 3 lety +19

    Thank u big man tech wizard. I will eat a raw egg in your honor.

  • @iikk_a
    @iikk_a Před 2 lety +4

    With Apex Legends, there is currently a but that affects your mouse movements and the smoothness of the game when you go above 180 fps or so. 240 fps has noticably more stuttering than 180 fps and if your GPU goes to 99%, your mouse starts skipping and will not track correctly. This is a known issue and it’s why everyone caps their framerate in that game to around 144-190.
    Also Apex has an issue with poor FPS even on the most powerful of systems. My FPS drops to around 120-160 at times and I have an R9 5950x and a 3090

    • @MadazzaMusik
      @MadazzaMusik Před rokem

      I have this problem in cs go I'm always tinkering the settings

    • @frain2387
      @frain2387 Před rokem

      Bro i have 144hz and when i playing apex ita blurr screen shoud i cap my fps what 142 ?

  • @TSCupaJoe
    @TSCupaJoe Před rokem

    Appreciate the time spent testing and the info. Lets say you play PUBG at 300FPS with GPU usage at less than 50%, so not much latency reduction can be had. Does turning ON the Low Latency mode add input lag?

  • @TheTechBasement
    @TheTechBasement Před 3 lety +1

    Very nice video, this must have taken some time to do..👍

  • @amirza776
    @amirza776 Před 3 lety +4

    Can you test the input lag on AMD card too? I think AMD also has its own latency reduction implementation on driver level

  • @ericshun2552
    @ericshun2552 Před 3 lety +19

    I could have a thousand frames and 0 ping and I'd still be silver

  • @salmonn_gz7987
    @salmonn_gz7987 Před 3 lety +1

    EPIC INTRO!!
    are those 3d rendered??

  • @nicericgaming
    @nicericgaming Před rokem

    Interesting! So maxing out GPU utilization increases the latency. Frame rate cap for the win!? Keep 'em coming! :))

  • @TheKims82
    @TheKims82 Před 3 lety +6

    I tried capping my frames in BF4 after i saw Battlenonsense's video and the game just feels so much smoother. I use the powersaving tool in Radeon software and have set my min frames to 142 and max frames to 144. Night and day difference.

    • @LastAphelion
      @LastAphelion Před 3 lety +1

      It gives me anyreusims when I keep running across people who only have a certain amount of hz but they don't frame cap, like 144-240hz but they stream uncapped at like 300fps as if it were helping them. And there's no point trying to tell them.

    • @ALIENiAM
      @ALIENiAM Před 3 lety

      @@LastAphelion i feel you...triggers my OCD on Twitch all the time too :)

    • @SpideyDiG
      @SpideyDiG Před 3 lety +10

      @@LastAphelion it’s cause the 300 FPS is helping them with lower input delay. 300 FPS makes the game smoother than 144 FPS and easier to aim too. You can lock it 141 and use G-SYNC too for no screen tearing but your getting benefits at leaving it at unlocked at 300 FPS too.

    • @frain2387
      @frain2387 Před rokem

      @@SpideyDiG yow bro i have 144hz what i must cap my fps lunch settings for fps ? 141 or what

  • @bertrandalexander2302
    @bertrandalexander2302 Před 2 lety +7

    I have so much input lag on valorant I can't even hit a shift walking guy with awp

  • @nuramon9999
    @nuramon9999 Před 2 lety

    Thank you!

  • @TSUNAMI17
    @TSUNAMI17 Před 3 lety +1

    This was such a helpful video. Thank you.

  • @m4gnum203
    @m4gnum203 Před 2 lety +3

    i cap my fps at 280 in overwatch with reflex + boost. I have a 2060 and 144 hz monitor. Should i disable and reflex + boost and just leave it capped? It seems like capped is best according to this video. I cap at 280 cause its pretty stable, and i heard that unstable framerate can cause variable input lag which can affect aim.

  • @TheKillerZmile
    @TheKillerZmile Před 3 lety +107

    sad fact : Apex Legends is smoother with 190fps cap vs uncapped

    • @eagle7015
      @eagle7015 Před 3 lety +4

      @Falcon_ mine is 144 capped..doesn't matter I won't play

    • @xleeepy2614
      @xleeepy2614 Před 2 lety +15

      Apex feels like shit anyway

    • @zerox3410
      @zerox3410 Před 2 lety +1

      @@xleeepy2614 Oh Okay because u're shit to play it i guess.

    • @xleeepy2614
      @xleeepy2614 Před 2 lety +1

      @@zerox3410 nope

    • @zerox3410
      @zerox3410 Před 2 lety +1

      @@xleeepy2614 ah sorry my mistake just saw ur movement and gotta say u have good movement actually better than mine but i have better aim :) gj man

  • @mathiasbecktangaaandersen2490

    This was quite surprising to me, really interesting. Could you perhaps test some more games, not all games rund as smooth as the E-sports titles. Maybe something like ARMA 3 or insurgency sandstorm would be nice to know how to improve.
    Thanks for the good informative content 😁

  • @JimmyStark77
    @JimmyStark77 Před rokem +1

    GREAT VIDEOS.
    Quick question about input lag: 1- mice to monitor like "odyssey g7 240hz" VS 2- Mice to Computer USB3 port.
    Which one have less input lag? 1 or 2 in 2022.
    Is it true Mice to Monitor have best result and less input lag?
    (i do not talk about reponse time and keyboard, only input lag.)

  • @MrWebon
    @MrWebon Před 3 lety +8

    You should make productivity videos. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that you make this amazing production videos, are pretty good at competitive games and also swole af. Do you even sleep

  • @dbroncos090
    @dbroncos090 Před rokem +6

    PLEASE with your input latency testing setup test borderless windowed vs full screen in todays games in 2022, like Apex, Valorant, Rocket League, etc.
    I’ve heard mixed reviews and would like it put to the test FOR SCIENCE!
    Keep up the awesome content.
    This channel has single handedly inspired me to dial in my rig settings and peripheral choices and get back into shooters and feel competitive in them again.
    Thanks from the USA!

  • @RandomGuyComments
    @RandomGuyComments Před 2 lety +1

    I enjoy searching and watching info for my next build. The building process itself then swapping parts occasionally and tweaking software but on PS5 I’m less worried about if the other player firing at me knows these tips or if their rig and peripherals are better.

    • @knightseriou3258
      @knightseriou3258 Před 2 lety

      Your cringe af 😂😂keep spending thousands while I shit on you with my ps5😂😂

  • @infinity_ow
    @infinity_ow Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for including Overwatch in your video!

  • @fi5ke
    @fi5ke Před 3 lety +8

    Really interested in hearing.. did you cap the FPS in the driver or in the game when testing? I’ve heard input lag should be lower when doing it at driver level.

    • @Wxstrn
      @Wxstrn Před 2 lety

      Driver level adds 1-3 ms.

  • @Prexy2
    @Prexy2 Před 2 lety +8

    For a long time I've wondered if g-sync affects the input lag from when you start moving the mouse to when things happen on screen.
    I'd like to have the Razer viper ultimate compared to the g pro ultralight in four ways.
    One way with both in the wireless mode and second a second time with the cable attached. With and without g-sync to see if there is any difference in latency using g-sync and wireless/cable.

  • @Klasus357
    @Klasus357 Před 2 lety

    Nice benchmarks that go into more effective details.

  • @fahadsikder882
    @fahadsikder882 Před 7 měsíci

    You did the tests on Apex and Overwatch, but showed clips of Valorant. Why? Whhhy?
    Thanks for the info video. Worth the watch.

  • @Dionyzos
    @Dionyzos Před 3 lety +6

    It would be very interesting to use that tool to measure latency in cloud gaming like shadow or geforce now

  • @riba2233
    @riba2233 Před 3 lety +8

    Becoming battlenonsense, bravo!

  • @delatroy
    @delatroy Před 2 lety

    I just enabled low latency mode and I can feel it on Windows cursor immediately 👌

  • @Nox-Eldar
    @Nox-Eldar Před 3 lety

    I've had that disabled, this will helps :D

  • @NOSfusion
    @NOSfusion Před 3 lety +8

    What about adding Gsync or Freesync to the mix? How much latency does Gsync add?

    • @VeritronX
      @VeritronX Před 3 lety

      Compared to vsync using an adaptive sync tech saves you a couple of frames worth of latency. Adaptive sync plus a driver framerate cap is the best solution for this imo.

    • @rdmz135
      @rdmz135 Před 3 lety +1

      Adaptive sync is only worth using if you're consistently below your refresh rate. Its basically useless in games like Valorant, CSGO and R6.

    • @Chuha97
      @Chuha97 Před 3 lety

      @@rdmz135 is latency still added when framerate is way higher than refresh rate?

    • @VeritronX
      @VeritronX Před 3 lety +1

      @@rdmz135 adaptive sync plus refresh cap is by far the best setup for playing with syncing enabled, and only those hyper competitive shooters like you mentioned are ever worth playing without it.. and even then you're compromising visual stability for lower latency.

  • @TheMasterOfSafari
    @TheMasterOfSafari Před 3 lety +6

    Would've been interesting to test a Windows 10 Exclusive Fullscreen fix as well (Windows broke this feature years ago.. you need a registry fix for it as well as enabling "Disable Fullscreen optimizations" enabled for it to work. This decreases the Input Lag M.A.S.S.I.V.E.L.Y for me..)

    • @schellenschote1981
      @schellenschote1981 Před 3 lety +2

      For me as well. :)

    • @RequiemOfSolo
      @RequiemOfSolo Před 2 lety +1

      what's the reg fix you need for it? I still check disable on every game, but I feel it doesn't do as much as it use to.

    • @TheMasterOfSafari
      @TheMasterOfSafari Před 2 lety

      @@RequiemOfSolo Hey, to be honest I've not been using it for quite a while now as Windows just keeps breaking it, just look up videos / reddit posts on it, there were many of them, I hope you can find a working method now.

    • @JeffVanRooy
      @JeffVanRooy Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheMasterOfSafari You can still (I'm currently on Windows 11 - 22H2 Build 22621.1) and always have been able to use FSE using literally a single registry key change from a 0 to a 1 without needing to restart and that's worked for years so many I'm not even sure but at least 4 years.
      But since FSO gives identical performance now and has lots of advantages over FSE it would be silly to use it but it still works.

    • @JeffVanRooy
      @JeffVanRooy Před 2 lety +1

      @@RequiemOfSolo Use Frameview or Presentmon to find out which presentation mode is being used while playing the game. You've almost for surely been using FSO even if you check the "disable" on each game executable but either of those programs will tell you for sure.

  • @f1neshka
    @f1neshka Před rokem

    I don’t know how in the table, but I have 2060s, and I have 250-300fps in valorant on ultra in 1920 \ 1080. Thank you very much for the informative video

  • @balluthebear1574
    @balluthebear1574 Před 5 měsíci

    Hey man i love ur vids and i wanted to just put a question out there regarding input latency for pcs. I know this isnt the right video for this type of question but here we are😭.
    My goal here is to understand the best configuration of settings that will make my competitve games run the smoothest with the least input delay.
    I run on a school laptop. (Intel UHD 620) (10th Gen Core i-5 10210U) with 8 gigs of ram on a 60hz display.
    So for a game like valorant were i get 80-120 fps, with the lowest i can see during gameplay being around 60 what settings should i be using for the lowest input delay.
    I've seen your vids on frame capping but im not sure if that actually helps my input delay because what ive been taught is the higher the fps the lower the input delay so with my understanding capping to lets say 75 fps (because thats managable for 99% of a game) would be worse because 80-120 fps would provide lower frametimes but i do need someone to explain that concept to me. Do note my integrated gpu usage is always around 80-98%.
    I know vsync is just down right bad so i dont touch it but it is tempting as at 80-120 fps, screen tearing is pretty noticable but for that i have the option of RTSS Scanline which works to completley remove the tearing line of the screen with the only requirment being you must be reaching your monitors refresh rate in fps nearly all the time so for me that is 60fps at all times which i do get. The one concern with RTSS Scanline Sync and just capping fps with RTSS in general is ive seen some vids were the supposed benefits of capping fps to your refresh rate only works when you use the in-game fps cap and when the person capped with RTSS they didnt see the added benefit of it. So for RTSS I just want to understand if their frame cap gives you the same benefits of the in-game cap. Also one question with RTSS whats the point of just using the fps cap when you can use Scanline Sync which gives you the added benefit of no screen tearing while also serving as a fps cap.
    So now Ive come to conclude these 'presets/configurations' for my system.
    1. Just bare uncapped
    2. Cap to refresh rate / what i can achieve 99% of the time using in-game capper
    3. Cap to refresh rate / what i can achieve 99% of the time with RTSS
    4. Use RTSS Scanline Sync to eliminate screen tearing (it caps to refresh rate automatically)
    Now it is up to you guys and @optimumtech to help me decide and answer some of the questions I had. Help will be much appreciated.
    P.S
    One suggestion I could give to your input delay vids is have a section dedicated to testing the different input delay methods on a low end system because from what I know is the benefits of lets say nvidia reflex would be much greater on a lower end system as to a higher end system.

  • @brandongunn7992
    @brandongunn7992 Před 3 lety +3

    Would have liked to see with G-sync enabled, would the results be the same as an fps cap?

    • @barrybondz4483
      @barrybondz4483 Před 3 lety +2

      Depends on the panel. Adaptive sync at 144hz 100% adds input lag. A 360hz gets a lot less due to fps diminishing returns. Capped at 357 with g sync adds 1 ms of input lag. At 240hz you would see noticeably more. 360hz is the pinnacle of high fps/gsync

  • @nasser_almashjary
    @nasser_almashjary Před 3 lety +4

    You didn't touch on Vsync on or off as well as VRR.

  • @GabbyTech
    @GabbyTech Před 3 lety +1

    just read article about this and you made video about it ;D, need to test this for pubg ;D

  • @ComeGetSomeGG
    @ComeGetSomeGG Před 2 lety +1

    i have gtx 1080 with 87K cpu 240 monitor , so should i enble low latncey mode on Ultra + in game boost and in same time capping the frame rate on 240 would that be the best opstion for getting lowest latnecy possible or i have to chose between the tow capping fps on 240 or enabling the low latncy mode + boost ? i wish you answer me ty , great content bro keep it up

  • @DrakesdenChannel
    @DrakesdenChannel Před 3 lety +19

    I just realized yesterday that Nvidia's overlay was causing 3 layers of input lag; desktop capture and the streaming option. Turn them off! Even if you're not streaming, make sure you get them off in the options.

    • @K4zuki1
      @K4zuki1 Před 3 lety

      How?

    • @DrakesdenChannel
      @DrakesdenChannel Před 3 lety

      @@K4zuki1 Causes some kind of Vsync-like overlay.

    • @K4zuki1
      @K4zuki1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@DrakesdenChannel no no i mean how to turn it off? I cant find settings to disable capture and streaming

    • @DrakesdenChannel
      @DrakesdenChannel Před 3 lety +4

      @@K4zuki1 In the Nvidia Overlay (Share/Shadownplay) options - Privacy.

    • @LeBronya_James
      @LeBronya_James Před 3 lety

      @@DrakesdenChannel Will it have an impact on streaming? Idk why that setting is there

  • @UNr34
    @UNr34 Před 2 lety +3

    Overwatch also has a native setting called "reduced buffering". You should have included it in your test since it probably overlaps/conflicts with those driver settings.

  • @spacemanjupiter
    @spacemanjupiter Před 6 měsíci +1

    I always cap frame rate. Consistency is more important to me than raw highest fps. Your eyes and hands prefer consistency over time and train themselves based on it. I'd much rather see my frame rate hold a solid 120 than constantly vary from 120 to 150 and back down, or hold a solid 165 than to shoot up to 200 and back down over and over.

  • @hotf1ght3r93
    @hotf1ght3r93 Před 3 lety

    Hi thx for this video. Supersampling can add input lag?

  • @looseyourzlf
    @looseyourzlf Před 3 lety +4

    Such an underrated channel.

  • @FeelHighAbout
    @FeelHighAbout Před 3 lety +7

    So if i play CSGO only, ultra latency mode off/on/ultra? Which is the correct answer? Trying to find it out for a while now.

    • @nexux9664
      @nexux9664 Před 3 lety

      i tryed all of them and ultra feels most responsive to me.

    • @razorclarencecallahan950
      @razorclarencecallahan950 Před 3 lety

      Ultra

    • @chunk1337
      @chunk1337 Před 3 lety

      No. Ultra is only for gpu bound scenarios. Read blur busters forum about the subject. Csgo is cpu bound. Use ON or OFF.

    • @razorclarencecallahan950
      @razorclarencecallahan950 Před 3 lety

      @@chunk1337 you gave no link or the subject name so I'm still gonna suggest OP the Ultra option since it lowers the most amount of Latency.

    • @chunk1337
      @chunk1337 Před 3 lety

      @@razorclarencecallahan950 yeah if you play with full HD + high settings then maybe. 100% no if you are cpu bound (1024x768 all low) etc.. believe me i've done my testing.

  • @LineupLegend
    @LineupLegend Před 2 lety

    Great info

  • @captaincookie15718
    @captaincookie15718 Před 3 lety

    New to the channel and I'm loving your content man! I had a question regarding the NZXT H1 prebuilt... I know it's not available just yet, as it relaunched with a new riser cable, however, it is a sandwich layout that is expected to ship with the geforce 3070. Given that it is a sandwich layout using this GPU, would you recommend still getting it?

  • @JoeHardman
    @JoeHardman Před 3 lety +3

    What about if you have a frame cap and enable reflex / NUUL?

    • @cyprian4869
      @cyprian4869 Před 3 lety +1

      Blurbusters did a lot of testing regarding that subject, I recommend reading their results on blurbusters dot com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/
      (dot should be a real dot of course)

  • @ZDY66666
    @ZDY66666 Před 2 lety +4

    Actually, some games turning low settings get you no extra FPS gains. The message is more so take whatever setting is higher in FPS. If going from high to low only nets 1 fps...then probably just stay on high

    • @CarlosDaniel-nh6mn
      @CarlosDaniel-nh6mn Před rokem

      you dont lose fps, but you lose latency, because your gpu takes more time to render all details, in competitive scenarios things like this matter

  • @El_ShintA
    @El_ShintA Před 2 lety

    Ali talking about latency, I'm trying to find info or a video about latency on gaming while you are streaming on the same pc or two different ones by capture card or ndi, it would be nice if you could make it, you have the equipment and the knowledge to do it, at this point where we have powerful processors and gpus it would be nice if there is any input lag or is just a placebo effect.
    Thanks😀