Nvidia Said No.. I said YES! - The 1000W GPU
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Nvidia have removed software voltage control from their newer GPUs... but we can get it back!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - A 1000W RTX 4090????
1:00 - Limits to overcome
3:49 - Easy OC with GPU Twerk
6:15 - Probing and Soldering a 4090
7:35 - Volt Mod on Air
10:50 - 1000W BIOS
14:44 - Chiller!
19:29 - VideoCom
20:03 - Outro - Věda a technologie
Maybe this is the kind of performance that EA was expecting for the PC port of Jedi Survivor
Still wouldn’t get 60FPS with no stutter lmao
But.. higher-end hardware results in lower performance, for Jedi Survivor..... apparently.
yeah lmao
nah .. EA rather expects 20 fps and paid dlc for 1 fps extra
Thats just the corporate machine demanding a prodouct gets shoved out the door. The "well patch it later" mantra. EA is plenty big enough to have ZERO excuse for poor performance on PC. Hell, I'm willing to bet their dev rigs are not all that different from a high end gaming rig. You don't need A6000's for Game dev. A 3090 or 4090 can even overkill.
“It will probably be fine” is the unifying theme of every Alex and Linus video.
what's up with this crazy upload time
Famous last words...
@@Charles_Bro-son 47 seconds ago!!
All the best ones
Alex and Linus vids are my 2nd most fav type of content, right after the "corporate update vlogs"
14:11 "Lets just give this a tiny bit more" *increases voltage by almost 40%*
offset not voltage
@@ALPHABYTE64 Phhahah high school graduate got baited. LOL
16:14 Win+Ctrl+Shift+B Thank you!
Just wonder how you find more of these shortcuts.
Should be somewhere in documentation
Ive never had luck with this. Doesnt seem to do much on most laptops. And on my desktop it will reset but then set my monitor refresh rate down to 60hz and not allow me to go over 120hz until i restart
I tried pressing it before I saw the part.... wondering, what is it doing (nothing happened, I am running Linux)
key mashing works :P (jk don't try) ..
Win xtrl shift W for word, X for excel, Google it. But you might want a keyboard with macro keys so you can program stuff yourself.
GPU Twerk is the only graphics card tuning software I want on my system.
Oh my innocence, I thought he said GPU Torque lol.
Oh yeah, now I can't unsee it 😀
@@TH3C001 Some twerk with a lot of torque, so it's better to stay back a safe distance!😅
At this moment, dozens of people are planning that very application.
This software needs to become real!
... and why is there not a proper butt emoji? We have a poop emoji, but no proper booty? Closest I could find is a peach. 🍑
@@filipsikora1973 Why does Linus do this to us?
This entire experiment was like firing gunshots at a puddle of gasoline.
It be the same as shooting water actually gas isn’t as flammable as moves make it seem and a spark isn’t likely ignite it now a incendiary around or a tracer might be fun?
At least there are less flames involved. That's saying something with the 4090.
@@jeremybeaverson7167 a spark will definitely light off gasoline if it comes in contact with the fumes. I've lit gasoline just by hitting a striker a couple inches in the air plenty of times
Except nothing would happen in that situation unless you are also in the puddle. Real life isn't like video game physics bud.
@@jeremybeaverson7167 you are talking about diesel. Gasoline will definitely burn I use that shit to light charcoal all the time it's incredibly flammable diesel isn't
11:20 omg I love this directing, the camera movement is comedy perfection and feels so good!
I just love the composition
I'm revisiting this video 3 months later, and I have to say it is one of my all time favorite. Do more crazy stuff like this.
Alex has the best job in LTT. He makes crazy projects, enjoys in them and plays with interesting tech
They built him a fuckin shop. He's a car dude too. Man's livin the dream.
He also makes the best videos
He cannot survive without a few modifications to perfectly working products.
You know it's gonna be a good video when he says "it's probably fine."
And reviews cars!
I love the videos where its just Alex and Linus.
Absolute chaos.
if you listen very carefull, you can hear Kyle crying in the background...
It will be fine.
a kid and his unhinged dad
1000th like
imagine you could use nitrogen liquid cooler for 2000 fps
18:18 I have never seen a sponsor segway interrupted. Absolutely floored.
I love the Alex and Linus videos like this because they take all those weird late night/shower ideas and actually do them.
I love all the Linus and Alex videos where the whole idea is "we shouldn't do this. It's insane and kinda dumb. But let's do it anyway and take it to 1000%."
oor, or, we could for once do projects the proper way and get usable results?
@@RandomUser2401 that's not really what this channel is for, LTT is much more for entertainment value than good and proper data
@@RandomUser2401 There's a million sources on the internet for raw data, there's nothing else out there like LTT.
@@RobbieEl JFC it‘s not about raw data but doing a proper experiment with meaningful results. And btw how many raw data sources are there for 1000W GPUs?
@@alfiegordon9013 yeah, funs and giggles and so much wasted resources and potential. So if it‘s only about entertainment, why exactly are they sinking millions into LTT labs?
Fun fact: it is said that if you try this mod at home, the warranty card for your GPU spontaneously combusts.
Your PC just transforms into a little robot that electrocutes you and then runs back to Nvidia
I mean if I were to do it I’d use a glue gun instead of soldering wires to the GPU. You could also use glue gun to shunt mod any GPU . Not that I condone warranty fraud of course
Super mega like you listened to my comment(and probably others) and went JBC with the soldering station! Regarding the discrepancy in voltage readings between what the card reports and the multimeter reading (at specific TestPoints, measurement in these conditions is location dependent, best location might be on the small center SMD ceramic caps behind the GPU, closest to the load), is because of the high current draw of the GPU and voltage drop in distribution to the load (GPU Core). @ 600[W] with 1.1[Vcore], current draw would be a whopping 545[A]+ (0.75[V]->800[A] if that was Vcore)... Congrats! Always wanted to do that, amazing it held up so well! Keep 'em rollin' and much success with the LAB!
Everything from production quality to the ingenuity behind creating solutions as you go is why I'm subbed to LTT. I couldn't care much for a "new" laptop with x and y now available, but waking up the techie at heart in me makes me think my 1080Ti might still have more to offer with ideas like these
I love how they are building a high tech lab, yet they do sketch experiments still.
That's what makes him..linus
@@navdeepsingh3508 Well, that and the dropping of things.
Sketch experiments is exactly the kind of stuff you want to do with a high tech lab.
I mean the only difference between science and dicking about is writing it down
Beyond human made comforts It's sketchines all the way down, labs are maximum expose to sketchines.
Linus: KW/h cost is getting too expensive
Also Linus:
If LMG was based in Europe he'd need to sell the company to pay the energy bill from this video
It's kWh, not KW/h (kilowatt hour, not kilowatt per hour).
@Morgan Mitchell this matters less than what kim kardashian ate for lunch 20 years ago
@@jcspotter7322 a kWh is 3.6 million joules of energy, it’s a constant. Something doesn’t draw energy measured in kWH, you measure in watts over a timespan. A kW per hour would be 1000 joules in the timespan of an hour (0.0027kWH) so to say this difference doesn’t matter is kinda stupid
@@jcspotter7322 woww, such ignorance..
How can a simple correction bother you so much
7:37 Maybe I am weird but Linus' smile was so blissful at this point.
It made me smile.
I appreciate that not only did you pick the Canadian GP you also went with Stroll. Peak Canada there.
More of Kyle please, watching him suffer trying to sanity check Alex is hysterical.
Agreed. More Zaffer representation! :D
@@mottamort I thought he had a Cape Townish accent...
He definitely sounds like Kobus from the pub, yep
"Omg that's your notes for this video?" Is such a strong start for an LTT video 🤣
It shure have to involve alex in some way
You know What else is Stronger then a start to an LTT Video? The Segway to Our Sponsor 😂
You know it's a good video when Alex is involved :)
To be fair: It does say GPU Twerk
Please keep more projects with Alex coming. Love these videos.
Editor's must deserve props on this timely video.
but the black bars on a non 3840x1920 monitor....
@@lancerdeltarune Amazing res to watch from a phone though :)
Your English teacher from 2nd grade doesn't deserve props, though. Apostrophes don't make words plural.
@@PushyPawn Terribly boring and horribly unfunny.
Alex is proof that the more highly trained you are, the more chaotic your work is.
16:15 That shortcut is actually so usefull. Gotta remember that.
It's good to know the stock cooler on the Strix is really really good and water cooling is not necessary to get really good performance out of this. Plug it in and forget. Just don't forget to plug it in properly.
I agree the cooling on my strix 4090 has been way better than what I first had on 3090. I burned my hand on 3090 backside 105c BS lol. Had to add it to my custom loop.
using Linus's afterthought to fill the awkward pause was genius lmao
Did they finally get that chilled water cooler working?
My recommend solution is to use a water tower feed with an overflow bypass to stabilize the output.
Simply put, you use a tall pressurized pipe as a reservoir. You have flow input in the middle, to fill it with cold water, the cooling loops take input through a manifold at the bottom, and the top has an adjustable overflow pressure valve that feeds to an unpressurized return reservoir that the loop return also feeds to.
Still a lot of wasted pressure, but at least now what is going through the loop is stable and regulated.
yeah ,Greatings from Brazil!!! i luv This kind of video!!! JGARONI OC here baby
Alex vids where he's just casually willing to risk destroying expensive things are my favorite videos.
Silly silly, you don't think they actually paid for it?
It’s a no lose situation, either it works and it’s great content-or it blows up and it’s great content. Linus always gets his money’s worth, the only thing that changes is the title of the video and if there needs to be a follow-up
Alex is the embodiment of "It's not stupid, if it works".
You should look up maxim 43: "If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky" :D
And I love it
@@MrGrimsmith Alex would make a great Schlock Mercenary character
@@pirateFinn He's already the living example of Maxim 14: "Mad Science" means never stopping to ask "what's the worst thing that could happen?" :D
@@MrGrimsmith and 25
OMG Linus your exact blank face stare into the object, and the way you had your hands behind your back leaning over the workbench, and reaction to Alex when you said "Uh-huh." @7:46, that's exactly what my late techie uncle Paul would do, when observing my cousin and I working on PC's. You made me have flashbacks dude! :D
I love these sketchy techy videos. Sketch Tech Tips?
Every time I see Alex in the thumbnail I know I'm in for some nervous giggling and questionable activities. I love it. I hope that the future of these projects include modifying parts even further. Basically that chiller didn't just unlock the full potential of the CPU and GPU, I feel it's also unlocked the full power of Alex.
Alex is not in the thumbnail
@@Vismajor01 they may have changed the thumbnail
I love how chaotic neutral Alex is.
Hah! Xkcd
well said
I love the editing team. Keep them around!
7:10
"What are you going to measure with? Wheres the oscilloscope?"
Ive walked that road when consulting experts of an expensive hobbie im trying with my jank tools and abilities.
Alex is like my spirit animal.
The 4th thing you can be limited by is critical path in the silicon itself. There has to be enough time between clock pulses (the thing you decreasing by increasing clock speed) for signal to propagate from one register to the next.
But that’s not what’s locked tho right?
@@enacku If i’m understanding the top comment right than that would be “locked” in a sense. There is a minimum amount of time it takes electricity to travel along the traces in the board. You cant adjust the length of that
In this case however, it’s a natural limit and not one artificially imposed by nVidia.
@@rockyrailgun-s Yeah, that would come down to manufacturing nodes and actual chip design to make those routes shorter and more efficient;
You're gonna run into other troubles with that at some point though, if you go too close with transistor gates you might get electrons going where you don't want them to.
Once you get closer than 3 nm on your gate size you start getting tunneling effects, so there's a fundamental limit to how small you can make one.
@@rockyrailgun-s in short: yes
in long: yes until they go fully insane
Should I be worried about Alex’s well-being with how many jank set-ups keep happening under his watch? That’s a lot of bare wire coming off of the GPU.
Just don't touch them 5head
Nah, Alex is a professional. Man can jank it up all he wants. He knows what hes doing. It's Linus we should be worried about.
@@Dwykid1 considering how much stuff he drops. I don't want to see him drop dead from the setups Alex keeps implementing.
Its 12v...
no gays
I'm glad Linus is still making space heaters that you can game on at super high perf numbers
The tip to soldering motherboards is to heat gun the area you want to solder then solder it on with a bit of flux
When alex says "It might be fine, it might not be fine" at 14:00, it dawned on me that they are doing this on a GPU that costs almost four times as much as my computer
If you add up the stuff they have in storage it will probably be more than your house (or the house you would like to have) is worth 🤷🏼♀️
16:13 - Correction: Win + Ctrl + Shift + B doesn't really "reset" the graphics driver. I highly recommend reading Superuser questions # 1127463: "What does CTRL+WIN+SHIFT+B do in Windows?"
According to someone claiming to have worked on the team at Microsoft:
_The key combo was added to help diagnose instances where the machine is churning along but there is nothing on screen. Pressing it when you don't have a blackscreen just adds noise to the system. A driver reset is a possible side-effect but not the intent of this key._
Awesome! So it’s not a driver restart that is directly fixing issues when I use that, it’s actually the doot sound itself fixing the system! I never would’ve known that
that's funny because this "side effect" helped me through a lot of screen freezes on ESO
Pretty interesting, yes its saved me from blackscreens before but its also resolved a lot of other graphical errors I've encountered through my time. Nice find and good read!
Weirdly, this caused my system to become unresponsive for a while and then one of my monitors to flash an odd pattern. Rebooting was the only solution
Isn't it V?
You guys should try this with the 4070 since it seems to be sticky held back by power.
So you guys listened and bought a JBC soldering station. Nice.
You definitely gave NVIDIA ideas for the RTX 5090.
Maybe you could try this with the 7900 XTX? Seems like it has much more potential performance to squeeze out with modding and that insane cooling system you have
I think derbauer already did that
@@slipknot1943 so? he did it for 4090 too, LTT has a hundred times the views and only fair if he does it for team green, to do it for team red and lol team blue.
@@jondonnelly4831 I hope you get better soon
@@slipknot1943 okay but I want to see Linus and Alex do it
This. AMD GPUs tend to be way more open to messing with and modding one to do this sounds easier.
16:15 Gold tip!!!
Have been OC'ing everything since core 2 duo and it's first now i hear about that shortcut. I know, WTF, right...
when i used to overclock my PC i bought a small chest freezer and fill it with water, make a closed loop with it and it works like a charm with my i7 4790k and gtx 1080Ti
I'd like to see videos on these types on mods on Radeon and Arc GPUs. Lets see how far a 7900 XTX can be pushed and how for an A770 can be pushed.
Already done by other, more competent, youtubers
@@karserasl Whose videos would you suggest then?
@@karseraslby whom? Are there any?
@@karseraslthey are literally one of the most popular and watched tech youtubers on the site so they can't be a more 'competent youtuber' lol
3:33
Yes, yes they are. They're using 24* 70A power stages.
70A power stages can not do 70A continiously (standart conditions). Those are rated at 20-30A continious with 70A peak current capability (for at least couple dozen of switching cycles).
40-50A with waterblock cooling might or might not be possible.
@@volodumurkalunyak4651 sounds like a job for Buildzoid xD
@@Kr0noZ Biuldzoid actually said practically the very same thing.
He also mentioned efficiency curve beeing at the highest point at approximatly 20A for 60-70A power stages
@@volodumurkalunyak4651
Yes they can, they're literally specced that way by the manufacturer. Look at a SiC832 (which is a 70A SPS) datasheet for example, they list 70A for "continuous current rating". Now should you run them at 70A? No, obviously not, because they'd run really inefficient = create a lot of heat. You're completely missing the point tho, if you would've done your math correctly you would've noticed that they would never even come close to running at 70A with the 1000W BIOS.
@@-eMpTy- manufacturer is so confident in above mentioned power stage working at 70A continiously that datasheet efficiency curve don't even come close. I am even sure it will handle 70A continious... under LN2 (approximate 13W power dissipation per power stage is no joke).
I haven't wrote "that will not run 70A at all", but "it will not run 70A at standart conditions".
I freaking love these videos, this janky-aura makes it really high quality fun 🤣
GPU tweak III overclock function ive found is a good start, it pushes my strix 3080ti to over 2ghz ingame regular (100mhz higher than the best afterburner) clocks and 200mhz over defaults in OC mode. There is also a tickbox in the settings to enhance overclock range which helps with boost clocks. The ram is happy 500mhz upwards also which helps, with the bin samples for the strix ranges, ive always been able to push them further, ram clock in gaming i dont, core yep.
Even 450W is way more than the card actually needs. I occasionally set mine to about 60% PT at which point it only loses about 5-8% performance but it draws about 250W. This thing is crazy efficient. As a reference, my previous 3070Ti would deliver way less than half of the performance while drawing about 330-350W
You can do the same thing to a 3070 Ti, though, undervolt it to consume 200W while performing just slightly worse.
@@deheavon6670 Right, but it would obviously not perform like a 4090 -10%... While it makes me wonder about stability, it's what you get for it that's impressive in comparison.
While the 40 serie is very underwhelming on so many level, so far consumption isn't really something we can complain about, it pretty much makes RDNA3's efficiency marketing look stupid.
@@vuri3798 very stable for me so far in any case I have tested it. To offer another perspective, I am playing Apex Legends at 4K 144fps locked (medium-low settings) and the 4090 (60% PT) pulls around 150W. To get the same performance with the 3070ti I had to overclock it, at which point it almost mostly stayed at 144 fps but consuming around 350W. Oh, and the 4090 is also at around 40% utilization in this scenario.
I did the same thing on my 3080Ti, when undervolted and power limited it draws around 180 to 250W in game and most of the time for a very small to insignificant loss in performance. (not to mention this nearly removes any coil whine in games that usually produce a lot of it in stock configuration)
4090 costs 6 months of wages in my country, who cares if it draws 600 watts.
18:01 "Riding that razor's edge". Seems appropriate for F1 racecars driving in the rain...
In GPU Tweak you can go to VF Tuner and ( i know that's not the point of the video ) , set a specific max voltage and frequency so you can undervolt/overclock as well.
Did that to my RTX 3070. Higher Core Clocks with significantly less Voltage ( From 1.060V to 0.956V ), lower temps and lower power consumption than stock.
Lovely Tool.
I've been very interested in an external water chiller for years now. Never had the budget to pull off yet. Glad to see someone gave it a try.
Thats way overkill. There is absolutely no point of doing it.
I have a 2kw electric heater in my room, I can't wait for Alex to match it with the 5090! (Alex + Linus Chaos-Danger-Jank videos are the best)
balz
Biggest takeaway for the regular user from this video is that Win + Ctrl + Shift + B resets the graphics driver. Never even knew this was a thing, much less that it was in stock Windows. Thanks!
0:20 I love how they picked Magnussen and Verstappen for the low and high power consumption.
Nice to see you all got a good soldering iron finally :D
18:19 Alex canceled Linus’ Ult💀
The performance went down after you increased the memory clock because these chips have ECC memory. At some point it'll start putting out more and more errors which have to be corrected. You don't see artifacts like we've seen with older cards, but what you see instead is a performance decrease.
That is coool!
That's a really smart observation. Can we/you measure this somehow? Alternatively, if you understand virtual memory, page faults, and paging/thrashing where our OS's can no longer advance the real task and spend almost all time swapping pages between physical and virtual, a comparable thing can happen between a processor's cache and its main memory source of data. We then can argue that the problem is an I/O bandwidth problem (which is why we have the cache in the first place). I would not know how to measure this all, though.
@@jpdj2715 cpu bottleneck....
4:25 "...my vision's going...", I felt that, Linus.
that gpu bios backup feature saved a friends card big time, was a first release 1070 with some sort of bug in firmware causing clock speed errors, found same card with a way newer bios, flashed it and clocks stayed at idle, rolled back the card and it worked fine without the bug so /shrug
i think i need a visual representation of what linus said at 4:20
Now this is what I've been missing in this generation - some excitement and pushing the envelope!
a good behind the scenes video would be the fire suppression system at LTT studios.
4:05 Just click on the box with the number and you can cycle through the max, min, average, and live wattage.
Glad that even though you guys have an actual lab with expensive equipment still manage to do entertaining videos
I DEFINITELY thought that said “GPU TWERK” when I saw the window
18:14 That synced head turn xD
12:45 "Man I remember when they were cool" See that's the thing Linus, they want to stay cool
Man I'm really in love with all the videos with the new cooler.
This makes the 4090Ti look very promising. The 4090 isnt using the full ad102 die. The leaks suggest the 4090Ti will be 2x 12pin ATX3.0 new connector thingies. So the power limit will likely be way above 600w. I think the Ti version may just be insane.
EDIT: Maybe its AD103. Can't remember. The point remains the same.
The fact that are about to drop a 4090ti and sell it for more and then still probably launch. A titen ada at 4000$ or more yet 97% of people don’t want to pay much more than 500$ for a flagship gpu
Unaffordable trash
But it's still won't overclock, it won't matter if it's the 4090 or 4090ti so long as NVIDIA removed the ability to do so and continues to push out third party board makers who knows how to push the damn things (like EVGA).
@@jeremybeaverson7167 they don't care they realised they can sell half as many for twice as much and also they're going ham on selling cards to companies doing ai crap.
No it will be ad 102 definitely. Fully euqipped ad102 will have 144 SMs instead of 128. So about 12% more shader units for the upcoming 4090ti. Hence a 600w TDP should provide plenty of power.
You should do that, with the 7900XTX. I heard it scales very well with more power and apparently at high enough power draw, will actually outperform a stock 4090 :D
OK guys Very entertaining love the human aspect that you guys bring these videos
The fascinating thing about all these crazy voltmodes with ridiculous power draws is that if something goes wrong, it bangs big time
Loving the jamming music during the soldering, water-cooling, working on the card 👍 good job editors you got a good taste in music
these cuts with the metal music are a+
At this point it seems like the standard path of action in any extreme cooling/overclocking video is 'oooh lets use the chiller' 😆
I love these types of videos cause It's like two best friends doing some incredible janky shizzle and both know It's probably super stupid but still just goes for it
Now I’m even more interested in why it was stuck at that performance cap.
16:13 Win + Ctrl + Shift + B has saved me mid Rainbow Six game multiple times where for some reason my GPU would "Disconnect" (is what Windows Event Viewer calls it) and it would switch to my CPU graphics.
Wouldn't it have been "easier" to use the Galax HoF 4090 for this? That card comes with an unlocked vBios as well as two of the 12vHPWR connectors on the card as well as the VRMs to back that up since it's meant for hardcore OC and record breaking.
Yeah considering that thing got 3.6GHz it would’ve been the only way to truly make this video. Then again is that really a 4090 if it’s been modified so much? I think this video was a demonstration of rigging a typical consumer 4090.
Remember that episode where you built the cooling system that used two to those blower motors for filling bouncy castles? I thing that would have helped in this episode.
Linus: Our sponsor
Alex: Wait, we didn't kill anything yet
Corsair/4090:
when he said his vison was going, i instantly thought of, omg were getting older... ive been watching this dude for so long, time just passed by so much i didnt even realize.
My favorite part of this one is how Linus is cheesing like a little kid in a candy store through nearly the whole thing 😂
1:58
Nvidia: nammumamanamua
Love these mad-scientist videos with Alex!
Al fin videos en ingles con audio en español en canales de tecnologia.
I loved doing this back on my 3090 strix days
I added 20 watts to my 3080 Ti mobile via a bios update. Huge performance boost when used with a good cooling pad.
Some poor developer is currently sifting through a dozen crash reports trying to figure out what happened to cause their game to push a GPU that hard
they have linus on speed dial
I wanna see the tech support staff staring at an RMA'd 4090 with a 1000w bios
Alex and Linus are looking at power draw and clock speed and voltage and such, I'm just looking in amazement at Latifi in P11
Now this is the kind of video about power consumption I would Watch 🔥