Washer Oil leak from transmission gear case seal. Oily mess underneath and on belt. VMW Whirlpool
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2021
- In this video I break down exactly where the oil leak comes from underneath several different newer washers. These washers range from Amana whirlpool Kenmore. I’ll show you exactly where the oil leak comes from and my idea on how to inexpensively fix it without having to replace the entire transmission. The gear case is it possible to get two with only taking out the motor. When I get another machine that is leaking oil I will give this a try but if any repair guys out there want to let me know if you think this will work please put it down in the comments below.
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Today I actually implemented your solution.
I laid the washer on its side. Took the motor out.
I ended up using 3/8" wood drill bit because regular metal drill bit would slip and just fought too much getting started on that hard plastic.
The pointed bit held in place and it drilled the hole rather fast.
I should say that I drilled a hole through that center metal support that is in the way first with a metal drill. And then the wood bit through that hole.
It was difficult making a hole from the two open sides.
Having drained that black tar.. what a mess.
I placed my grease gun right on the hole and started pumping grease. Not sure how much, but enough to my satisfaction.
I plugged the hole with a fat enough plastic rivot that is used to hold car panels in place.
I cut its stem short and pressed it hard. It had nice flat head.
Then I used hot glue gun and covered it.
Before I placed the rivot, I cleaned that hole area with some rubbing alchohol.
And that is all I have to say about.
Did I run the washer on spin? Yes?
Was there any funny sound? No?
Did any black oil coming out of the bottom seal? No?
NOW QUESTION?
What is up with the click click click abnogtious sound that the clutch platic gear makes at the end of spin cycle on some of these machines?
It appears to me that shifter motor seem to lift up the clutch coupler slightly up and then down at the last few seconds of the cycle.
There is no way I would blame anything on that except the control board.
Good to hear it works. If you have any pictures or additional information about how you did it be shorter post it on Facebook group “ appliance refurbishers and repair”
This is awesome! You are definitely doing something that is helping the community!
Thanks.
Better to give it a try than spend a thousand bucks on a new one! Get as long as you can out of it I say! I'm gonna do it!@
So excited to see a video on these transmissions. I have a used appliance store in Alabama and I have been seriously considering trying to replace the bearings in these transmissions. It’s just not feasible to replace the transmissions for what we can sell the washers for.
I think if you run in a appliance store you could probably get the equipment to be able to pull off the top bearing. The issue is that the average Joe probably would have to spend too much money on some specialty equipment to make it worthwhile. I run a appliance refurbishing business in Mississippi and I would not consider replacing the batteries in this machine because of the time it would take to get to the bearings. I would much rather just part out the machine and move on whenever I encounter bad bearings.
@@WasherDryerMoney I’m in Montgomery al, what part of Mississippi are you in
South Mississippi near the coast college town called Hattiesburg.
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Thank you for more repair
Thanks for commenting.
Would love to see a step by step detail brake down of the transmission and replacement of oil to grease
Great video! Thanks
Glad you liked it. I’ve been wanting to open one of these up for years.
Love your videos! Please make a video on how to test motor directly. New to this business and your videos have helped me a lot
I don’t test a lot of motors. Are you having a lot of trouble with electric motors not working?Maybe one out of 20 will have a actual bad motor. For the most part it’s usually like a capacitor gone bad.
@@WasherDryerMoney thank you for responding..so I just started doing this on the side on my spare time. Two dryer machines so far have been bad motors. The drum won’t turn but I hear a humming sound of the motor. I turn it manually and then the machine starts to work which I have read indicates a bad motor. I would just like to know for my own benefit and also it think it would be good to test while the machine is already apart and I am checking everything else.
@@AnthonyLopez-zx2ix Definitely a bad motor. That does happen with dryer sometimes.
@@AnthonyLopez-zx2ix Are you testing the capacitor? It’s job is to help start the motor.
@@chuckdearruda6271 I am talking about dryer motors. For washer motors I have not tested the capacitor how do you test it?
Good video!
Thanks
So did you ever figure out if you can use grease or white lithium instead of the oil and it will work fine? My major concern with this concept is that the oil is used to keep the whole thing cool enough through a few possible cycles in a row. I've never torn one apart right after a cycle, but I'm really curious. I've poured through so many videos i really hope this was the right one.
Where did you go? How come you don't make vids anymore? You helped me so much!
Glad to hear I helped you. Just been super busy doing real estate stuff lately. Started a Airbnb and setting up another one now. I might post again when things slow down. I hang out in the Facebook group “Appliance Refurbish and repair”
My washing machine is doing this exact same thing after having to replace the drive hub.
So I'm going to try this grease replacement.
I'll update
How did it go?
How do you put the transmission back together, after you drill out the rivets.
I just got a washer in. And the person I got it from said there black stuff coming out of the agitator. I haven't looked at it yet but is it possible oil the transmission oil to get into the drum
I've been playing with a plastic welder recently, that should seal the hole good but I think JB would be better if you didn't squirt it in too far. But now that I'm typing this, maybe a tight fitting plastic dowel piece pushed into the hole and JB on the outside of it... but would that tiny extra weight cause an imbalance and a shake in the spin?
The problem I should point is the bigger issue is to take off the top bearing from the case itself. It gets stuck there which is much more aggrivating than worrying about removing it from the shaft housing.
However here is the solution:
To remove the bearing from the housing it makes your life much easier to simply heat the neck on the housing where the bearing the sits. Use a propane or acyteline torch.
Then hit it with a hummer and knock the case off.
To remove the bearing from the shaft housing is simply use a dremel and cut it off. Simply score two sides of the bearing and then with a chistle and a hammer it will simply split in half.
To remove the brase flange. Clean the shaft housing real good. Heat the flange with a torch and then simply drive it up with a hammer or something. Out it comes.
hi started this procedure same transmission....but found water in the gear compartment together with the oil looks like the shaft seal to agitator has failed any idea of the part number? tks
I have my inner tub broken trying to get it apart . Where did I go wrong? Still cant get transmission out.
Where do all the drill shavings go?
Neat potential solution. I don't see why it wouldn't work. I like the idea of just using a metal drill bit to put a hole in the shield portion without having to remove its two rivets and then bend it downward. Once this hole is in place, another hole could be drilled in the plastic casing. Although, this makes me think that plastic bits would get into the gear case and cause problems. In any case, once an oil leak has been experienced, I wonder how long these washers will run for before the gear case breaks down from heat/friction if no new oil/grease is added. I'll bet they could go for a number of years, but that's just a guess. I've got an old washer that just leaked, and I bought it used for $50 almost 10 years ago. I'm wondering if it's even worth trying to fix versus just buying another used one for $50.
Put a bit of grease on your drill bit. The chips will come out the twist drill flute anyway
This is very interesting to see the inner workings, but I'd be concerned about liability if something happens to ruin a floor after doing this. If the grease spins out due to an improper seal or the top seal let's water pass through, you'd have more of a hassle. Always good to know, but for me, I'll replace the transmission. Unless, possibly, its my own with a drain pan under it.
Yeah definitely say if you’re a repair man you should just replace the transmission. You’ll probably make a lot more money. This idea is more for appliance flippers and homeowners that can’t afford to buy new transmissions.
And right now this is still just an experimental idea I’m always trying to figure out a better more permanent way to fix things as an appliance flipper.
@@WasherDryerMoney we bought a new Roper ( 1 yr & 3 ms ago ( Lowes) that has developed an oil leak on the bottom. It has a reddish- black color. We did not purchase the ext warranty .
I will let you try your experiment on ours . Where are you located ? Also, do the new transmissions now have the solid grease inside ? ( as seen in your vid) Is it a big job to replace the trans ? I see they run appx 200.00
@@dondunham1120 pretty big job to replace the transmission.
He might can find a very nice used transmission on eBay for less.
Can you buy the parts for transmission and or repair kit? what is the part no? thanks
Hell yeah! Just commenting for the algorithm
Lol. That is a good move
Yeah, I do that on a lot of videos. lol
@@WasherDryerMoney I'm also commenting for the algorithm... And as a non-repairman my idea for the video is a rubber plug for the whole... I have tried to use silicone on something greasy or oily and I just don't see that working... But just a rubber stopper that you could shove in the hole I think has a much better chance of sticking long-term. Not a repairman though so I could be wrong
@@rowe39425 yeah that’s a very good idea.
Me too and hoping this isn't the only good move I make regarding this washing machine
Ok, I took the back off. So far so good 🙂
Can you drill a hole into the oil containment part, as you suggest, without removing anything else?
I wish I could tell you but I have not gotten a washer with a oil leak lately to do this experiment on. As soon as I do I will post another video if the fix works but I just haven’t gotten my hands on one yet.
If you give this a try let me know if it works and what you find out. I did have someone tell me in the comments that you should use a certain type of grease That will not deteriorate the rubber seal.
@@WasherDryerMoney results?
Did you do a video on the transmission teardown? Thank you
I did. It’s not a great video in my opinion because it has a sad outcome. It’s an outrageously difficult job and you will have to have a specialty tools or a way to cut one of the bearings off carefully without hurting the shaft underneath. I would say skill level 10 required for replacing bearings.
But it was an interesting video to see how the transmission works.
i have kenmore series 400 and the service guy said was the transmission was leaking water not oil. and could see some rust splatter on the bottom.
so i guess that means i need seals also. Have you figured out the part number for the seals?
Probably if it is leaking water it will be leaking around the tub seal. This is a easy seal to find it’s very common to go out and start leaking water on the floor. You can use the appliance parts pros link I have to look up the exact part number for your machine. It’s a more difficult job and does require one specialty tool to remove the drum. Just look up some videos on it before you decide you want to order the seal.
Really cool, I have not ever tried to tear one of these Transmissions apart to see what's inside. I figured there must be some sort of planetary gear arrangement in there to reduce speed and increased torque during agitate. You can hear the gear noise also. Great video! I have one with water damaged top bearing so I may go for it and maybe set up my hydraulic press to see if I can cleanly pull that bearing and the stainless steel sleeve. Seems a shame to have to replace the whole gearcase everytime a tub seal fails and leaks water into that top ball bearing
Don't use ordinary grease. You should use silicone grease because it will damage the rubber because ordinary grease is petroleum base like the rubber. It will melt down the rubber for sure.
OK thanks. As soon as I get a machine with an oil leak I will get this fixed I try.
Does anyone have a source for the inside gears?
This happened to our washer after less than a year of use. I can't believe how cheap this stuff is made.
Yeah it’s crazy how bad these machines are.
Happened to us too 🫠
There is new parts number replacement, I believe there is service bulletin, but I can't find it.
Trying this now. The oil does not run out unless the gear box is rocked back and forth. I left it for hours to drain on its own to find that almost nothing came out until I turned the gears again.
Let me know how it works. Be sure to join the Facebook group Appliance Flippers united. If you find this process works be sure to let the group know.
how much time needed and money to perform this job ?
I think the manufacturer is looking for you D or A 😂😂😂
cease and desist letter coming to his mailbox very soon lol 😂
Thinking about doing this tomorrow... Thinking.... Let u know what happens if I do it lol... Wife wants to call somebody, but I think I want to try this first
Good luck. Even if you call someone if it’s leaking oil there’s no good cheap fix. Pretty much comes down to replacing the entire transmission which is fairly expensive.
Yeah let me know if the grease works.
just yesterday found the exact problem on my older Maytag Bravos, same motor. I'm looking for a video on safely removing the components to get to this.
I have never been able to find the seal to fix this problem. Before you put too much effort into stopping this oil leak be sure you can find that seal or replace the oil with grease. This washer just has a horrible design flaw. Good luck.
@@WasherDryerMoney yeah, I think I'll try your grease hack. Unfortunately just cant afford a $300 n change part🙃
@@jessecooper5415 let me know how it works.
Sure does seem like a lot of trouble. On another note..... an easy way to get that grease off your hands is to use cooking oil or olive oil and a paper towel.
Yeah it’s definitely not going to be the easiest repair. But it might save some money compared to buying a new transmission.
I have the same washer the same wanted thats leaking from the bottom mine won't spin or agitate. It starts then stops do you think I need a new transmission.do you think its to late to try your method because the machine is not turning or agitating
It may be the actuator has gone out.
@@WasherDryerMoney thanks for the reply
How bout using a hydraulic press to remove the top bearing off the shaft....Ive used this method on a 90's Maytag washer
It would probably work. I think the biggest issue is the amount of time it takes to get into this transmission. I run an appliance refurbishing business and it’s just not worth my time to do this repair. It’s more worthwhile for me to still some parts and scrap out the machine and move on to another easier faster the fix machine.
i cant remove the top of the shaft out the case
Wonder if you have oil and water draining out? That is my problem.
If there’s water coming out it’s probably the tub seal. The parts fairly inexpensive but it is quite a job to get to it.
What is the plastic cup the gears sit in called? Mine cracked and leaked oil. I took it apart like you showed and just need THAT part. Stupid company and their stupid sealed transmission boxes!!! My new granddaughter is coming next week and I need to get it fixed. Also, if you remove the central agitating shaft and pour gear oil down it, it will refill the gear cup.
P.S. Mine has three gears, not four.
Is there an update to this video
all plastic gears. What do you suppose would happen if I just let it run even if the oil leaked out?
It will probably still run for a while before he gives out.
The bigger issue is where the oil goes. It gets on the belt and slings on the motor. I’ve seen several motors go out because of the oil.
I have a mabe washing machine leaking plenty water and oil,
I can’t remove the top it is stuck on the bearing
Look at it from the top and you’ll see those small holes to put a Phillips head screwdriver in. You have to remove all the screws through that hole by slowly turning the transmission every time you get a screw out then you’ll have to pop the transmission apart being careful not to spill oil everywhere. It will be slightly stuck with gasket maker.
@@WasherDryerMoney okie I also saw that too
I would just replace the gear case.
Oh yeah, if you have a spare gear case for sure. But they’re kind of pricey if you have to buy one.
Maybe slide a o ring on it
True. You would still have to replace the oil that falls out.
Whirlpool should've left the direct drives alone!
So true
I thought so too. But when you really think about it, it was time for a change. DD's are noisy as hell and not efficient.
@@CarlosGarcia-ij4yg What type of gear oil does these whirlpool transmissions use? Why are these washers built so cheaply?
@@jeromedavis8575 i have no idea!
@@CarlosGarcia-ij4yg I assume its a heavy gear oil. How did it smell?
Swap gearcase
That would be a good option if you can get a good inexpensive used one. Otherwise if you’re getting a new one you can nearly buy another cheap washer.
@@WasherDryerMoney There is rebuild one.
@@signedelacroix7213 if a rebuilt is affordable. it’s still quite a job to swap.
@@WasherDryerMoney Don't tell me. I am in the middle of it. There is no video that cover my model exactly. Some are incomplete. What about removing that impeller, those engineers.
@@WasherDryerMoney Yes, I think those break because the so low water level, it make the whole transmission endure a lot of pressure.
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Yeah, I’ve actually spoken to him. I need to see if his repair has lasted.
So long story short...its a nightmare lol
Yes. Lol
They've been making washers for his long and this is a problem, gee what if this seal fails, let's seal the transmission so nobody can fix it. pretty pathetic
I found a faster easier way to do for you want to do and drain the oil and fille the gear case with grease .. get back with me if you can bye
I hope someone can
help me. I have a washer that I am unable to turn the coupler on the
transmission clockwise it will only turn counter clockwise BUT with motor and
transmission out of washer both spin freely. Since I am currently unemployed I
have to determine if its the transmission or something like the brakes dragging
or basket drive assembly. i noticed the cam has no play outside the washer but
while turning the basket drive assembly counterclockwise to get it back up into
the washer it is difficult maybe its supposed to be? Also once in the washer
there is alot of play in cam. One other thing I noticed was once the
transmission was in the coupler would spin clockwise a little bit but not
enough to turn the tub then I would hear a click and it wouldnt turn anymore
and it never turned far enough for the tub to spin. Is that click something
locking up with the brakes or in the transmission? i disassembled the brakes
took of the spring to make sure they move freely. There was no play in the
brakes so they seem okay to someone who doesnt know what they are supposed to
feel like. Also we replaced the transmission fluid with 90 wt. Ugh someone please help we have been watching
videos and searching the internet for a week. We replaced the capacitor before
figuring out it was bound up somehow. thanks in advance for any help you can
give.