Backpacking for Comfort & Tips on Gear - When you aren't about ultralight
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- čas přidán 14. 02. 2021
- Backpacking for Comfort & Tips on Gear - When you aren't about ultralight
The video speaks for itself. We aren't ultralight backpackers. We trade a little pain on the trail for comfort at camp. No, we don't carry all this stuff on every trip, but I will explain what we have, why we like (or dislike) it and how we picked it.
If you click on the links below - and especially if you buy from these links - I'll get compensation. So that would be cool. No, I'm not sponsored by them, but I love the products. Any questions, just ask!
Tina's Backpack - Osprey Arial 75L (No link, but Tina got it at REI)
My Backpack - Gregory Batoro 75L
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Our hiking poles - Trail Buddy
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Our pillows - Sea to Summit
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Our sleeping pads from Big Agnes:
2 person
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Single
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Our sleeping bags:
Two person - Big Agnes Sentinel 30 degree
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Single - Big Agnes 15 degree
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Water purification (main) - Camelback All Clear (no link, but we got it at REI)
Water purification (back up) - Sawyer Squeeze
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Water purification (back up) - Lifestraw
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Water bladders - Osprey 3L (no link, but we got it at REI)
Water bottles - Platypus 3L
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Fork, knife & spoon set - Humangear Gobites Trio
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Camp stove - Jetboil Minimo
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Coleman Cup & Cookware Set (I can't find this online, but they sell them in the camping section at Walmart last time I checked)
Coffee - Starbucks instant
Regular
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Vanilla Latte
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Electrolyte tablets/additives:
Zip Fizz
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Nuun Tablets
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My headlamp - Black Diamond
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Personal Locator beacon:
No subscription - Res-Q-Link
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Subscription based with communication options - Garmin Mini
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Charge Stations:
Anker Powercore 10,000
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Zero Lemon 30,000
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Camp hammock (for relaxing, not for hammock camping)
ENO Sub 7 Hammocks
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ENO straps
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Backpacking tents:
3 person - Copper Spur UL3
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2 person - Tiger Wall UL2
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My philosophy on carrying a firearm is the same on wearing a seat belt. I don't expect to get into a car accident but I would be damn happy I buckled up.
My thoughts exactly.
Guns are illegal here in the UK but I dont give a fuck. My safety and protection is innate, beyond the realms of corrupt law makers.
Armed NAZI police can have them and tasers and other weapons so can I. Hey all been equal and all that. No discrimination etc,
I think your advice is the best I’ve heard. You don’t have to spend a fortune to go out and see what works for you. I love this!
Thanks for the videos and sharing.
**Per camping chairs being the heaviest in your pack: It's expensive but I would suggest a Helinox Chair, specifically the Helinox Ground Chair Ultralight. They weigh 1.4oz, are compact, and feet work well (even in sand - where normal chair feet sometimes will sink).
A company just reached out to me with an ultralight chair for review. I'm pretty excited for it. Looks like it may weigh 1 oz more than the Helinox Ground Chair Ultralight, so we'll see how that goes.
Finally someone who doesn't backpack with a 8 lb base weight video! My type of destination camping style, bring what I can comfortably carry, my comfort item list is almost as long as my need to bring list. Great Video! Had my wife and I laughing about the hammock and chair thing, now I carry her chair and 'our' hammock. I say our because I carry it she naps in it.
This is great. So many videos seem too purist and make it feel inaccesible even when trying to show the opposite. This makes backpacking seem accesible.
This is the first of your videos that I've watched. I love your humility and practicality. I'll take comfort over ultralight any day.
Thanks Jerry. Good info!
Might I suggest a couple rolls of vet wrap.its for horses but adheres to itself and is super lightweight. Could use it for many things.
Tina is a delightful product model! :) Great information, thanks for sharing!
Makes me feel better also ! When you get deep into some of these wilderness areas you can run into as you know . Bears, Mountain Lions and those crazy javalina . And an occasional Mexican grey wolf . Great info ! Thx!
Great information for all hikers. It's always fun to see what other people are packing. Thanks for this video.
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Black eye - Ouch! Shoe lace....good idea, although in a pinch I'd use my 550 cord (paracord). Usually carry a trash bag too, but also a large zip lock...keeps any moisture inside. CAMP CHAIR IS A MUST!!!! BEST PURCHASE EVER!! A lot of the same stuff....including the spreadsheet...computer geeks like spreadsheets too!
Spreadsheets are the best. And we're planning a longer backpack this year. Zip Locks would be perfect for that. Thanks for the idea!
@@JerryArizona Anything to help out a fellow backpacker! How long are your typical trips? How long ya planning? We usually stick with 3 or 4 days...otherwise good starts getting heavy and bulky...
Thanks, it’s been awhile since I’ve done more than day hikes.
Adventures are awesome when you have what you need without over packing.
We definitely have what we need. And then some.....
I agree on carrying a pistol, I always do, check out the new ruger LCP max in 380ACP, 11 oz. and holds over 10 rounds and very small
Used a "First Need" water purification pump for years. A bit slow but always works.
Funny you brought up fears. I told the checkout lady at REI how much of my kit is just "Just in Cse's": rain gear, First Aid, Garmin GPS,(I use OnX 99% of the time), Garmin In- Reach, repair kit, the list can go on an on. I do like the shoelace idea though. Add that to my "Just in Case's". I get bugged by the guys at work that I don't carry a gun. I understand the argument. Just not on my Just in Case list.
Nice load out it is not about all the high end gear you have. It's about getting out an exploring. stay safe
.. I see we're in the same club...I commonly carry multiples in different areas of gear because I just don't trust things to work ,,even if they have for the past 40 years ,(multiple water treatment methods ,, 3-4 fire methods ,,and I don't make fires on trail ,,use canister stove for quick trail hot drink or cup-a-soup ,,liquid fuel stove at camp (whisperlite ),,and both with extra fuel,,,sometimes a fire only base camp ,, 2-3 pr. socks plus down sleeping booties ,,(hate wet or cold feet))) or take along someone new to the outdoors that has limited gear.. they tend to watch the UL hiker video's too much..
..Plus ,, My primary reason to hike is to fish mountain alpine lakes ,, so there's another 10 lbs. of fishing gear .... ..
........AND THERE'S MORE !!.....
typical base weight. 55 lbs. ,,, with food/water ,,,,commonly 70 lbs. ... for 3-4 day trip..
Wow. 70 lbs is insane. But I bet I get close to 50 at times.
Great no nonsense advice , one of the best I have watched.
Best advice I've ever seen online.
Love your channel, thanks.
Great advice Jerry! One thing that I also like is my Gerber stainless steel lock knife for everything. It is light, clips tight and extremely well built. $30 at Home Depot. Thanks and thoroughly enjoy your Videos (you and Tina are the best!)
Thanks! I've been trying to cut back on pack weight and learned a very valuable lesson this weekend; try your gear out before committing to a hike. A knife is a must have. I have a Gerber dime that I keep in the med kit, and usually have a standard pocket knife on me at all times. It's such a part of my edc that I didn't even think to mention it.
Love the simple humor! Great video :)
Depending upon the hiking environment, safety glasses can be useful for a number of different activities
Thanks for taking some time to do this.
Seems like ya'll would love the Katadyn BeFree filters. Would be very similar to your current setup without any electricity
P.S. - Sending love from CO! Showing the Four Pass Loop this summer to some buddies for their first time. Favorite part of the state
Funny. Just got that system and am waiting on a chance to try it out. Part of reworking our gear load out for some longer hikes this year....one of which being Four Pass. This gear loadout is precisely what kept us from finishing the loop before, so I'm definitely adjusting things.
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Great video Jerry.
Thanks for the Escalante advice I made it there Friday and it was beautiful . Had to cut the trip about six hours short as Bryce Canyon and hiway 89 ended up forecasted with a severe weather storm, 12”-18” of snow accumulation. Then I made it to Lake Powell and did a short run beating the weather to continue down to Flagstaff. When I got to flagstaff it was getting pounded car accidents on the 17 just south of town thankfully I made it through without any issues.
Glad you enjoyed. Love that area. I think we just avoided the same storm if it was last weekend. We were in Show Low skiing and it came down pretty good Saturday night.
Chopsticks, no utensils. They work great for sprained ankle splints, too. Hahaha
Big Agnes should sponsor you guys.
Rad video, per usual.
Jet boils are great because you don't have to carry a pan. It is a toss up on space but definitely lighter (in my experience). I really enjoy the sea to summit titanium spork which has a clip so you can clip on the outside. I also recommend the katadyn hiker filter. A bit pricey but works great. No filters take out viruses so it's important to bring a second liquid or chemical/UV version as well. Never go with one filter system. A really good coffee are the instants that starbucks sells. They are super convenient. Cusa tea for teas as well (much like crystal light but tea versions).
Yeah, I forgot to mention the pan. I've got the cheap stove and a smaller, lighter pot that is lighter and smaller overall than the Jetboil....but I do love that Jetboil. I didn't realize that about the viruses. Maybe that's why the article I read said the UV was best. Regardless, it's worked great for years. Nice to have the light, small Sawyer around just in case I have muddy water to deal with. And I second starbucks instant. That's all we use.
You are your own first responder in the city, or the back country. 2 A all the way.
Thanks for sharing
I am really amazed at your experience with the UV light water system. I did some tests with a similar system and the water was still full of bacteria.
What type of tests? We've used the UV for years now with no issues. I have added a mechanical filter for when the water is silty or muddy, but I still use the UV 99% of the time.
I stumbled on your channel a while ago researching for my utah trip. I stayed for the value you bring and honest effort you put into video production. Your videos keep it real. None of that fake fizz.
I cant carry anything over 10 lbs after my accident but used to scale mountains with a 40 lbs backpack like a mountain goat. I can attest to the fact that weight reduction is the most critical component next to gear that you actually need on the trail. That 1 lbs feels like a 100 when you are tired and still have days to go.
One extra tip i suggest is bring duct tape.
Glad you like the videos!
We're struggling to try to figure out the gear to backpack Four Pass Loop & the High Sierra Trail later this year. Definitely can't do that many days, miles & elevation with anything close to this loadout. Dumping absolutely everything that isn't necessary.
And I have a little roll of duct tape in the med kit. Really useful stuff. I think I've used it to patch myself up more than anything else.
i always bring my sig 9 with my trips
Great vid, great info, great channel!
Jerry & Tina. My favorite backpacking couple. I love the camping as much as the hiking. So why not be comfortable at the end of the day?
This channel is great
Thanks for the info,,!great❤❤❤❤
Good list. We're snake dudes here in AZ - we go looking for them. In remote places most of the time (SE AZ). Definitely going to dive deeper into some of this gear. Never had one, but considering some type of GPS just in case, but don't want to pay out the nose. The app you were talking about is more for navigation, not in case of an emergency, correct? With you on the Via Coffee, life saver out there. Cheers~
Gaia is $40 or so a year. It's an app on iPhone for navigation only. You have to load the maps most of the time while you have service, but it's pretty reliable even if you don't. It's all I've used for navigation for years and I love it. The PLB's are Res-Q-Link and Garmin Mini. Res-Q-Link costs like $250 for the device and it's a one time fee. All it does is sends a distress call via satellite. The upside is no subscription. The Garmin allows you to have communication with people and it has a GPS. But you have to have a subscription. I use the $12/mo, which is the cheapest. It allows a limited number of messages per month, but if you go over it's like $0.50/text. I'd definitely look into something if you're out looking for snakes!
@@JerryArizona Good advice. We've been doing the snake thing for quite a few years, it's more the remote factor and some of the terrain we encounter (e.g. steeper mtn sides, remote dirt roads, etc.. weird border activity). Honestly? The hazards of hiking and driving are riskier than the venomous snakes we encounter. Thanks for the input, much appreciated!
Thanks for the review!
You had me up to the camp chair. OH man, I:m with you on the pistol carry. Pistols are allowed in national parks with proper conceal permit. I live in and mostly hoke arizona,
so love your channel. Watch most all your videos just not a big commenter. This was informative for me , thank you.. I love it at the end when you say ,this is why i don:t do
reviews . I know how to walk places. OH CRAP . i laughed out load. I get your sence of humor . i cant spell.
Spelling doesn't count! Glad you enjoy. Don't knock the camp chair until you've tried it. But I get it. I leave it more than I take it. I just got some sitting pads and was planning to try to substitute that.
Oh man, as much as I'd love to backpack ultralight, I don't know if it's in the cards for me, I love my creature comforts :) Totally feel for you on the hiking poles, I dropped my sleeping bag on the trail last week and it appears to be gone forever. Sad day. Going to see if I can talk Adam into this double sleeping pad situation... I'm also that one who slides over in the middle of the night 😂 - Elise
I swear, that sleeping system is a game changer. I really liked the Sea to Summit for comfort. It is SO noisy. And it's definitely for single sleepers since it's tapered. The Exped were square, but not as comfy. The Big Agnes is comfy, quiet, small when packed and a single mattress for two people. The sleeping bags are great too. And for couples who do this, it's AWESOME. We need to figure out ultralight though....I snagged permits for the High Sierra Trail and 7~8 days on the trail is a whole different ballgame....
Nice info but a bit to late, since we live in Holland and by this time i,m 77😢👍😉🇳🇱🇪🇺
Ikea makes a goof rain cape for under 10$, they weight 5oz. And pack small.
i've run across 4 mountain lions in my hikes and they are no joke, bring your Sig
I keep thinking I wouldn't get to it fast enough for a mountain lion. Makes me feel better sometimes though. But they're beasts. I had a house cat that used to battle with me and would leave me bloody every time. Can't imagine what a full grown mountain lion could do.
a couple years ago on the LaBarge trail a mountain lion was eyeing the dogs for about 3/4 mi up on the cliffs, just shot off two and he took off@@JerryArizona
I have to tell you that I am ultralight and a jetboil is still very hard to leave at home. If Im going for 4 or 5 nights it makes the cut just because the fuel efficiency is double anything else. I would highly recommend the katadin BE FREE filter in lieu of sawyer.
Saw this comment and ordered one. I've heard enough people talking about them. Thanks for the advice.
mAH stands for milliamp hour and it more or less means how much power the battery holds
You mentioned your camera gear is a whole other video.... Have you made that video? Is it available to watch? I'm very interested to see what you're using. Your videos have such great production quality! I'd like to see what you're using. Thanks!
I never made one. My gear is changing a lot, but I'm really happy with my current set up. I have a Canon EOS R with a 35mm f1.8 lens that I can use to shoot macro & night lapse. For most of the video I use a GoPro. Just switched to the 11 and absolutely love it. I've added on the media mod, a small mic (Edutige ETM-001 with the ECS-001 cold shoe mount) and the Volta handle. Just got the mic and handle so I'm still testing them out but love the added battery life and sound. Before I was just using a generic extendable selfie stick with a tripod build in. I've also started testing my iPhone 14 in cinematic mode to shoot some macro in locations that are too rugged for the Canon. Like the outcome so far. Any questions, lemme know.
No matter the hike distance I carry a gun and wear a bear bell. The number one rule is to never hike alone. I did recently go on 2 hikes by myself against my better judgement. I was fine, but I won't again.
It all depends for me on the hike and circumstances surrounding the hike. But I think it's all about what makes you comfortable.
The paracord is the extra shoelace. I fee like you only need 2 out of the 3 of the GPS, gun, and hatchet.
Agreed. Sometimes I don't take the paracord, so it's nice to just have the lace. And I hardly ever bring the ax. Maybe only bring the gun half the time. The GPS (iphone) and PLB (Garmin) always go.
Looks like you’re somewhere in the WCC wilderness? Thanks for the thoughts on gear.
Actually, a mix. Recorded Tina's part in the White Mountains, the talking part in the Superstitions on a solo backpacking trip.
I have one back, and five backpacks. Need more gear, and a team of Sherpa’s
Sherpas would make backpacking so much more pleasant....
..Would make backpacking just "hiking" ..
@@rockytopwrangler2069 or vertically “climbing”
My goal this summer is to camp beachside southern California for 6 to 8 weeks. I'm all about enjoying great weather and the ocean. You two ever try that? Timmy C
That is a great goal. We've backpacked the Lost Coast in northern CA. And our favorite hike so far is the Kalalau Trail in Kauai. Camping on Kalalau Beach is an incredible experience.
Jerry you mentioned Propane Tanks -- Were you talking about Propane Tanks or Canister Fuel ???
The small canisters for your camp stove. Like the MSR IsoPro.
I've seen these not work on half or less fuel especially at Altitude and/or cold Temperatures -- Otherwise love the simplicity of the Pocket Rocket -- When I have it my MSR DragonFly works no matter the Altitude and/or Temperature ...
Yeah I’m interested in what camera gear you pack. Your videos look great..
Thanks! I'll need to do a video on that. But my main cameras are: DJI Mavic Pro, Canon EOSR, Weebil S gimbal....but most is filmed on GoPro Hero 8 Black and recently GoPro Hero 9 Black. I love the Canon, but it's bulky and impractical for most hikes. I find I'd usually rather trade the image quality for ease of use; I film more just because the GoPro is so easy to use.
Very good video. I liked it so much I just subscribed to your channel and gave you a like. What is your favorite season of the year for Back Packing? Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.
Glad you enjoyed it. We backpack year 'round. I definitely prefer anything except when it gets really cold. Living in AZ thins the blood. But we go north to the mountains in the summer and south to the desert in the winter to keep the temps below 100 and above 25.
You could always bring a tranquilizer gun instead so your not killing any animals.... then move on to a new space?? I'm all for guns... I go shooting all the time but I'm not for killing any animals.... just thought I'd throw that idea out! Love your videos...I'm an avid hiker
I have an air pistol and a machete
So how much weight do you usually carry say for three nights out?
I would say (guestimate) 25~35 lbs plus food & water. They say ~2lbs of food per person per day. I swore that my pack was 50 lbs plus, but the few times I've weighed it it was under 40. Keep in mind I almost never take ALL of this stuff, and it is usually split between two people.
Spreadsheets rule
Couldn't you use the parra cord as a shoelace?
Yeah, but I don't always take the paracord. Like if we have a bear canister or animals getting into the food isn't a concern. I do throw the shoelace into the med kit, so it's always there.
So what is your loadout weight ?
Probably 35~45 lbs, depending on the trip. I only weighed it once when we were flying to go backpack, and it wasn't fully packed.
I just came across your videos, you both are great!
What do you bring for eliminating person waste? (Ie. toilet paper, shovel)
Your videos are inspiration for me and my family to get out there!
Thank you.
Thanks! It all depends on the area. For car camping we have a portable, folding latrine with wag bags. For places where they require it, you gotta bring a wag bag (which is always fun, but hey, there's a reason for the rules.) Anywhere else it's a TheTentLab the duece shovel and TP (that can be buried if rules allow.)
Base weight estimate? 30 lbs? Give or take a 🪑?
That's probably a safe bet. I always think it's 45 lbs, but I weighed it once and it was more like 35. (Ironically, that was back before I got the chair.)
@@JerryArizona Seems like you know what works for you as well as opportunities on where you could get lighter if you wanted. Solid video.
Ok now that I’ve watched some more of your videos I have to give you guys a harder time on your base weight. Lol If it’s holding you back you gotta drop it down.
As for the gun, the most dangerous animal in the back country is man. As the forest service states about being out there, “You may be subjected to the unreasonable acts of others”, a personal choice for sure to carry.
I'm a strong believer of 'whatever makes you more comfortable.' Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But you're right. The most nervous I have been is from people and not animals.
Shoes?
Tina likes Merrill Moab because she has normal person feet. I like Keen because my feet are wide. She leans more to boots, but I prefer ankle high. I've been kicking around the idea of getting some trail runners, but don't know much about them.
@@JerryArizona Altra Lone Peak, now you can pick up the 4.0 version for $65 on Amazon they are normally around $120 but now newer version so 4.0 is super cheap.
@@robn.5932 I love my Altra Lone Peak 4.0s (I have super wide feet). They do start to come apart pretty quickly though so you'll end up having to superglue them.
Also carry a gun solo just makes me feel safer.
Lol
What type of engineer ?
He builds hospitals.
@@TinaArizona very cool ! Love watching ! You guys are great !
For a gun to be effective you need to carry it on your hip. If it's in your pack, a bear our mountain lion isn't going to wait for you to take off your pack and dig it out.
I know, but it makes me feel better up until the point I'm being eaten. (Seriously though, I have it on my hip belt when I'm really concerned about wildlife.)
@@JerryArizona 10-4 bro, I totally respect that. Thanks for taking the time to respond, and thank you for uploading all your videos; they've been an enormous help to me (and I'm sure many other as well)! 🙏🏻
Understaded sense of humour, funny. Sensible advice for those who are not throughhikers. One may cut weight by getting lighter big items like the backpack, and by leaving home comforts at home like the chair and the axe. You know you're watching Americans when an obviously sensible, level-headed guy tells he's packing a gun. No offence meant, no judgment or disapproval implied.
You get everything then leave it in the car at trail head 🤣🤣
OH jerry......a gun. that makes me sad.
Yeah. I know and understand both sides of this debate. I feel go with what makes you comfortable.